Soya, Thank You so much for the Help. It was such a rapid reply. You saved me a lot of time, as I would have probably spent a lot of time in Valley Stream looking for the information. Thank you Pat Ryf Long Island, NY

I have just taken over the hosting of the Queens County Website for the American Local History Network (ALHN) and the American History and Genealogy Project (AHGP). Since it is quite new, it is involving. So far, I have uploaded pages for the towns and villages as described by French's 1860 Gazetteer of the State of New York. I realize some are now in Nassau County but I have included them for the purpose of Genealogy for those of us researching Queens before 1898. Queens was one of the 12 original counties of New York state being created in 1683. I also have loaded pages covering mailing lists, message boards and neighboring counties' links. The first genealogical page uploaded covers Naturalization and Citizenship. I also have a webpage where you can list your Queen's County surnames. There is a form on the page for you to enter your data and I will update the site on a regular basis. If you have any Queen's county data that you would like to share to help others in their family research, please contact me off list. I would be more than happy to include it on the website. Items of interest include but are not limited to: census data, naturalization/citizenship records, church and vital records and directory entries. I am interested in your comments about the website and what subjects you would like to see covered there. Please write me off list. Pages to come shortly will cover the censuses, passenger records, church records, vital records, etc. You can access the website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyqueen2/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com Professional Genealogy Research All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton 2002

On 3/2/04 (12:30:48 PM MST), in a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Pat RYF (Yesteyears@aol.com) asked, "Where would I go to get copies of death certificate for Valley Stream residents in the 1890's" Valley Stream did not become a village (municipal corporation) until 1925, thus for vital records you would want to contact the Town Clerk of the Town of Hempstead: Office of the Town Clerk Town of Hempstead Hempstead Town Hall One Washington Street Hempstead, NY 11550 Tel: 516/489-5000, X3046 Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: ????? http://www.townofhempstead.org./content/tc/menu_tc.html Valley Stream is one of those many communities on Long Island where many places with a "Valley Stream, NY" mailing address are NOT in Valley Stream. The pertinent geography: Valley Stream is a village (incorporated in 1925) in the western part of the Town of Hempstead, in the southwestern part of Nassau County, along the Nassau County/New York City (County/Borough of Queens) line. There are 22 villages and 36 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Village of Valley Stream in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of North Valley Stream; on the east by the Villages of Malverne and Lynbrook and the Hamlet of Hewlett; on the south by the Hamlets of Hewlett, Woodmere and South Valley Stream; and, on the west by the Hamlet of South Valley Stream and New York City (County/Borough of Queens). And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Valley Stream has a different border than does the "Valley Stream, NY" postal zone. ......................................................acres .....Village of Valley Stream ..............2,258 .....Hamlet of North Valley Stream .....1,209 .....Hamlet of South Valley Stream .......566 .....Valley Stream, NY 11580 ............2,496 .....Valley Stream, NY 11581 ............1,813 ...................total .............................4,309 As indicated by the acreage numbers, the Village of Valley Stream is only about 52% of the "Valley Stream, NY" postal zone. Hence, there is about an equal chance that a place with a "Valley Stream, NY" mailing address is NOT in the Village of Valley Stream. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Valley Stream (incorporated in 1925) in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Happy Purim (begins Sunday, March 7 at sunset), Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Hi, For years we were told by family that our RYF relatives who died in 1892/1893 and 1895 were buried ib Elmont Presbyterian Church Cemetery. After many attempts, I was able to speak to someone and he searched the records. There are no RYFs buried there. Where can I obtain death certificates for : Caspar Ryf Died 1895 Franz (Frank) Ryf (died of Drowning) Died !892 Gottlieb (Fred) Ryf (fell off a freight train he worked on) Died 1893 The above brothers that died from various accidents, would they have to have death certificates from wherever the accident took place?? Where would I go to get copies of death certificate for Valley Stream residents in the 1890's What if they were buried on the farm , in a family plot? I don't even know where the farm was..They lived with a relative, Jacob and Elisebeth GEISER in Valley Stream. The family arrived in 1889 in NY from Switzerlnd. Thank you Pat RYF Long Island, NY

In today's (Sunday, February 29, 2004) NEWSDAY, there is an article reporting that the Wyandanch Library is hosting an exhibit about the history of blacks in the Western Hemisphere, assembled by the Harlem-based Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture, one of the world's most respected research institutions. To read the complete NEWSDAY article, please go to (you'll need to copy and paste the entire URL, beginning with "http" and ending with "headlines", and you may need to do copy and paste in sections in orfer to copy and past the entire URL): http://www.newsday.com/features/printedition/longislandlife/ny-liwyan273687885 feb27,0,6463994.story?coll=ny-lilife-headlines Here's the contact information on the Wyandanch Public Library: Wyandanch Public Library 14 South 20th Street Wyandanch, NY 11798 Tel: 631/643-4848 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: wyanlib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://www.suffolk.lib.ny.us/libraries/wyan/ The pertinent geography: Wyandanch is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the north-central part of the Town of Babylon, in the southwestern part of Suffolk County, along the Babylon/Huntington town line. There are 3 villages (incorporated areas) and 12 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Babylon. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Wyandanch in the Town of Babylon is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Melville in the Town of Huntington (the Babylon/Huntington town line) and the Hamlet of Wheatley Heights; on the east by the Hamlet of Deer Park; on the south by the Hamlet of West Babylon; and, on the west by the Hamlet of East Farmingdale. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Wyandanch has a different border than does the "Wyandanch, NY 11798" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Wyandanch mailing address and not be in Wyandanch and a place can have other than a Wyandanch mailing address and be in Wyandanch). Those places that have a "Wyandanch, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Wyandanch are in the Hamlet of Deer Park, the Hamlet of West Babylon and in the Hamlet of Dix hills in the Town of Huntington; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Wyandanch with a "Deer Park, NY 11729", a "Farmingdale, NY 11735" and a "Melville, NY 11747" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Wyandanch in the Town of Babylon, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 18 (map) and 19 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Happy Purim (begins Sunday, March 7 at sunset), Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/27/04 (3:17:13 PM MST), in a posting to NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com, Elizabeth V. Cardinal (evc1369@comcast.net) asked, "Found Anthony Adamo on the 1930 census as living and owning his own home on Fourth Avenue, North Hempstead....in the town of Westbury. I did not see a house number on the census. I know next to nothing about obtaining death records from Nassau County. Actually I do not know when the man died. I know he was 69 in 1930. Need to find out everything I can on this man. I have sent for his naturalizatin papers. Would like to know where he is buried in hopes of finding an illegitimate son buried with him." First, Westbury is a village in the Town of North Hempstead. Second, Death certificates are the responsibility of the town, or if the village desires to keep such records, the village. But, it also depends on the community in which the death occurred, and this is not necessarily the community in which the person was residing. For all the questions you have raised, you may want to contact the Westbury Memorial Public (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information) as well as the Village Clerk for the Village of Westbury: Westbury Memorial Public Library 445 Jefferson Street Westbury, NY 11590 Tel: 516/333-0176 Fax: 516/333-1752 eMail: contactus@westburylibrary.org http://www.nassaulibrary.org/westbury/index.html Village Clerk Village of Westbury Westbury Village Hall 235 Lincoln Place Westbury, NY 11590 Tel: 516/334-1700 Fax: 516/334-7563. eMail: clerksoffice@villageofwestbury.org http://www.villageofwestbury.org/ I do not know if you are aware that the majority of places with a "Westbury, NY" mailing address are NOT in Westbury! According to my calculation, more than two out of every three places with a "Westbury, NY" mailing address are NOT in the Village of Westbury and almost half the places with a "Westbury, NY" mailing address are NOT even in the Town of North Hempstead. The pertinent geography ... Westbury is a village (incorporated in 1932) in the southwestern part of the Town of North Hempstead, in the central part of Nassau County along the North Hempstead/Oyster Bay and the North Hempstead/Hempstead town line. There are 30 villages and 18 hamlets all or partly in the Town of North Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Westbury in the Town of North Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Village of Old Westbury; on the east by the Hamlet of Jericho in the Town Oyster Bay (the North Hempstead/Oyster Bay Town line) and the Hamlet of New Cassel; on the south by the Hamlets of East Meadow and East Garden City in the Town of Hempstead (the North Hempstead/Hempstead Town line); and on the west by the Hamlet of Carle Place and the Village of Mineola. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Westbury has a different border than does the postal zone that services its area: .........................................................area ...........Village of Westbury.................1,511 ...........Westbury, NY 11590..............4,302 ...............of which ...............part in North Hempstead....2,505 ...............part in Hempstead.............1,503 ...............part in Oyster Bay................294 Thus, about 2 out of every 3 places with a "Westbury, NY 11590" mailing address are NOT in the Village of Westbury and 3 out of every 8 are NOT even in the Town of North Hempstead. Quickly eyeballing the map overlay of the "11590" postal zip code versus village and hamlet borders, all or parts of the following 7 communities seem to be within the borders of the Westbury postal zone and hence all or some of the places in these communities have a "Westbury, NY" mailing address: ......Hamlet of Jericho, Town of Oyster Bay ......Hamlet of Hicksville, Town of Oyster Bay ......Hamlet of Carle Place, Town of North Hempstead ......Village of Westbury, Town of North Hempstead ......Hamlet of New Cassel, Town of North Hempstead ......Hamlet of Salisbury, Town of Hempstead ......Hamlet of East Garden City, Town of Hempstead For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the Long Island population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Westbury (incorporated in 1932) in the Town of North Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 6 (map) and 7 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/27/04 (12:52:55 PM MST), in a posting to the Suffolk County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Suzanne (slombardo@boardroom.com) asked, "I am looking for Richard Butlar, who lived for many years in Smithtown. He would probably be in his mid- to late 80s now. Does anyone out there know him or his family?" For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Smithtown Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Smithtown Library (Main Branch) 1 North Country Road Smithtown, New York 11787 Tel: 631/265-2072 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: ?????? http://www.smithlib.org/ The pertinent geography: Smithtown is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the center part of the Town of Smithtown, in the north-eastern part of Suffolk County. There are 3 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 8 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Smithtown. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Smithtown in the Town of Smithtown is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Kings Park and the Village of Nissequogue; on the east the Village of Head of the Harbor. the Hamlet of St. James, the Village of the Branch and the Hamlet of Nesconset; on the south by the Hamlets of Hauppauge and the Hamlet of Commack; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Commack and the Hamlet of Kings Park. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Smithtown has a different border than does the "Smithtown, NY" postal zone. There are places that have a "Smithtown, NY 11787" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Smithtown. These places are in the Village of the Branch and the Village of Nissequogue, as well as in the Hamlets of St. James and Nesconset. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Smithtown in the Town of Smithtown, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 22 (map) and 23 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of place shave a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

"On the Bklyn Info Pages I have Surname lists for Queens & Kings Co.........." Nancy, That is a GREAT site. I want to thank you for all the time and details you put into the site. Many thanks. Jan

On the Bklyn Info Pages I have Surname lists for Queens & Kings Co. http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/ I'm thinking of adding one for Long Island and wondering if there is a need for one or does a good one all ready exsist? Nancy

Trustme a good one does not exist. It would be great! Pat CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <NancyL916@aol.com> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:51 AM Subject: [NY-LONGISLAND] Re: Surname List > On the Bklyn Info Pages I have Surname lists for Queens & Kings Co. > http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/ > > I'm thinking of adding one for Long Island and wondering if there is a need > for one or does a good one all ready exsist? > > > Nancy > > > ==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== > Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/LongIslandWelcome.html

I also suspected that Francis Neck was further west than Bellport and Fireplace, and was most likely a different Neck than Tarman's Neck. We haven't found any evidence that a Fancy was even there on Francis Neck. It was the opinion of a Brookhaven Town historian that Francis Neck might have been a corruption of Fancies Neck, because it was labeled "Fancies" Neck on an early map. Therefore, her assumption that Fancies Neck was probably named for a Fancy there. Given the inherent inconsistent and creative spellings of the time, it could also be that "Fancies" was meant to be "Francis" all along. The reference to Tarman's Neck, Wawcoruck, and Abigail Fancy was on the Groton Hall plans, part of the Winthrop Patent. What confuses me is that the names of the nine necks listed on the Groton Hall plans do not all match the names of the same nine necks of the Winthrop patentship, the 2 most easterly sold to Thomas Strong and John Brewster in 1749, the other 7 sold to Humphrey Avery in 1752. I can't match up all the names of the 1752 Necks - have 3 - Short Neck, Smith Neck and Tuckers Neck that I can't equate to the earlier Groton Hall listing of Necks. In the Groton Hall Listing I can't equate 4 of the Necks to the Avery Lottery/Winthrop Patent information. Naturally one of them is Tarman's Neck. I am guessing that the names of these Necks changed between the time of the Groton Hall plan and when they were sold by John Still Winthrop. The Groton Hall Necks: 1. Western Neck Js Blue Pint - "Blue Point" sold to Humphrey Avery 27 March 1752 by John Still Winthrop 2. Acorama Neck 3. Pine Neck - "Pine Neck" sold to Humphrey Avery 27 March 1752 by John Still Winthrop. Lot #1 of Humphrey Avery Lottery June 1758, 300 acres of upland and 100 acres of meadow, 1000 pounds value, drawn by Capt. Thomas Clarke of Chelsea NY. Lands bought back and given by Humphrey Avery to his son Humphrey Avery Jr. in February 1759. 4. Shuging Neck 5. Swan Neck - sold to Humphrey Avery 27 March 1752 by John Still Winthrop. 6. Swan Creek Neck - (" Swan Creek Neck" sold to Humphrey Avery 27 March 1752 by John Still Winthrop). Lot #2 of Humphrey Avery 1758 Lottery. 400 acres of upland, 56 acres of Meadow, 750 pounds value. Drawn by Capt. Thomas Clarke of Chelsea NY. Lands bought back and given by Humphrey Avery to his son Humphrey Avery Jr. in February 1759. 7. Wawcoruck or Tarmans Neck 8. Patchaugs Neck - (Same as "Pochang Neck"? sold to Humphrey Avery 27 March 1752 by John Still Winthrop). Lot #3 of Humphrey Avery 1758 Lottery. Drawn by Lefford Leffords of Bedford Kings Co NY. 9. Stars Neck (Same as Starr's Neck in Bellport?) Because Tarman's Neck was small, does it make sense that it might have been incorporated into either Swan Creek Neck or Patchaugs Neck when they were sold to Avery in 1752? Osborne Shaw's 1933 work refers only to 6 necks. With the exception of Starr's Neck, which may be the same Neck in the Groton Hall Plan - Stars Neck - the names of the Necks in the Groton Hall Plans and the Winthrop Patent do not match Shaws either :) - "Naming them from from east to west, the necks are: Little Neck, Fire Place Neck, Tar-men's Neck, Dayton's Neck, Occumbomuck Neck and Starr's Neck." Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com>; <li-rooters@listserv.genexchange.com>; <NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com>; <LI-HistList@topica.com> Cc: <aliwallner@comcast.net>; <ehlsmith@worldnet.att.net> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:32 AM Subject: Where was Tar-men's/Tarmans Neck or "Wawcoruck" in Brookhaven???? > > On the question about the location of Tar-men's Neck, Fireplace and > Wawcoruck, I've receved a reply from my source at the Long Island Regional Planning > Board (he's a descendent of Robert Coe, on of the founders of the Town of > Huntington and the Town of Jamaica, and his wife is a descendent of the 'Bull' Smith > of Smithtown fame): > > 1. Back in the 1600's "Nassau" was the name used for all of Long Island so it > is very possible that this place is in Suffolk County. > > 2. In 1871 residents of Fire Place changed the name to the hamlet of > Brookhaven thus forever confusing it with the Town of Brookhaven in which it is > located. > > 3. Our 1858 map shows Fire Place to be at the present day intersection of > South Country Rd. and Montauk Hwy. > > 4. Hagstrom atlases have referred to the the southern part of Brookhaven > hamlet as Fireplace Neck for the last 50 years or so. Since the western boundary > of Brookhaven is the Carmans River it is possible that Tar-men's and Carmans > refer to the same area. I have canoed that area extensively and can well > imagine it as Carmans swamp. > > 5. As for "Wawcoruck" I don't have a clue. > > > Thanks, Roy. > > > I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. > > Regards, > > Walter Greenspan

On 2/25/04 (2:50:23 PM MST), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Frank (fsomers76@hotmail.com) asked, "I am seeking the parents of Samuel R. Smith b. About 1773, d. January 1850 in Merrick, Long island. Samuel married Elizabeth Nicolls on 1 September 1807 at Christ's Presbyterian Church and had the following children that I know of: Henry Smith b. about 1811 d. 7 March 1892, Lucy Smith b. about 1812 d. 26 August 1896, Gerardus N. Smith b. about 1816 d. 1 August 1853, Charles Augustus Smith b. Nov. 1819 d. ?, Ruth Smith b. 22 Jan. 1822 d. 24 Nov. 1904, Treadwell Smith b. about 1831 d. ?, Chauncey M. Smith b. 29 March 1834 d. 14 July 1912. When Samuel died in 1850 he was a farmer and owned about 200 acres of land in Merrick. Family tradition is that Samuel was a Rock Smith." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Merrick Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): The Merrick Library 2279 Merrick Ave. Merrick, NY 11566 Tel: 516/379-3476 Fax: 516/868-6230 eMail: ????? http://www.nassaulibrary.org/merrick/ The pertinent geography: Merrick is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the center-south section of the Town of Hempstead, in the central-south part of Nassau County. There are 22 villages (municipal corporations) and 36 hamlets all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Hamlet of Merrick in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of North Merrick and the Hamlet of North Bellmore; on the east by the Hamlet of Bellmore; on the south by the offshore islands scattered in the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Village of Freeport. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Merrick has a different border than does the "Merrick, NY 11566" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Merrick mailing address and not be in Merrick and a place can be in Merrick and have other than a Merrick mailing address). .......................................acres .....Hamlet of Merrick........2,647 .....Merrick, NY 11566......3,860 As you can observe, 1 out of 3 places with a Merrick mailing address is not in Merrick. These places are in parts of the Hamlets of North Merrick and North Bellmore; and, at the same time, there are places that are in Merrick that have a "Freeport, NY 11520" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Merrick in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/24/04 (7:22:27 AM MST), in a posting to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Muffy (UngerBMCM@aol.com) asked, "In the 1958/59 phonebook a George Callendine HECK is listed at East Norwich Turnpike, Brookville. There is another number listed in the same name as the Chauffeurs Quarters and then a third number listed for the Gardeners Cottage. This must be a big estate. Does anyone know where this is or the physical address of this estate? I was wanting to also know if Locust Valley Cemetery has been inventoried to find this fellow. Was told he is resting in this cemetery. Does anyone have access to phonebooks to do a lookup for me on George C. HECK. Wanting to look in the years 1938-1958." For the physical location of the estate, you may want to contact the Village Clerk for the Village of Brookville: Village Clerk Village of Brookville Brookville Village Hall 18 Horse Hill Road Glen Head, NY 11545-2606 Tel: 516/626-1792 Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: ???????? http://???????????? Brookville is one of those many communities on Long Island where none of the places in Brookville have a "Brookville, NY" mailing address. The pertinent geography: Brookville is a village (incorporated in 1931) in the central part of the Town of Oyster Bay, in the north-central part of Nassau County, along the Oyster Bay/North Hempstead town line. There are 18 villages and 18 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly within the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Village of Brookville in the Town of Oyster Bay is bordered on the north by the Village of Old Brookville, the Village of Upper Brookville and the Village of Muttontown; on the east by the Village of Muttontown; on the south by the Hamlet of Jericho and the Village of Old Westbury; and, on the west by the Village of Old Westbury and the Village of East Hills in the Town of North Hempstead (the Oyster Bay/North Hempstead town line). And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Brookville has a different border than does the "Brookville, NY" postal zone, and in this case there is no "Brookville, NY" postal zone. ...........................................acres ......Village of Brookville.........2,687 ......Brookville, NY ?????.......none Places in the Village of Brookville have either a "Glen Head, NY 11545", "Greenvale, NY, 11548" or a "Jericho, NY 11753" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Brookville (incorporated on 1931) in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County on pages 5 & 11 (map) and 12 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/23/04 (8:34:32 AM MST), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry Baord that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Cynthia Schaefer (TekBird@wi.rr.com) asked, "I'm searching for descendants of Robert N. Moore and his wife Rosella. They lived in Freeport/Hempstead area in the 1920 and 1930 census. Robert was born about 1886 in NY. His mother was Susanna "Annie" Walters Moore born about 1857 in Staffordshire, England. Robert and Rosella had one son, Robert Moore Jr. born about 1917. All of Susanna's siblings ended up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Online family tree is here: http://www.bonobo-monks.com/gen/walters/woutlin6.htm" For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Freeport Memorial Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Freeport Memorial Library 144 West Merrick Road Freeport, NY 11520 Tel: 516/379-3274 Fax: 516/868-9741 eMail: reffr@nassaulibrary.org http://www.nassaulibrary.org/freeport/ The pertinent geography: Freeport is a village (incorporated in 1892) in the south-center part of the Town of Hempstead, in the south-central part of Nassau County. There are 22 villages and 36 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cites and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Freeport is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Roosevelt; on the east by the Hamlet of Merrick; on the south by the off shore islands; and, on the west by the Hamlets of Baldwin Harbor and Baldwin. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Freeport has a different border than does the "Freeport, NY 11520" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Freeport, NY mailing address and not be in Freeport). ..............................................acres ......Village of Freeport..............3,174 ......Freeport, NY 11520............3,618 A little more than 1 out of every 10 places with an "Freeport, NY" mailing address are NOT in the Village of Freeport. These places with a "Freeport, NY" mailing address that are not in the Village of Freeport may be in either the Hamlet of Merrick, the Hamlet of Roosevelt or the Hamlet of Baldwin Harbor, also in the Town of Hempstead. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Freeport (incorporated in 1892) in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/23/04 (8:34:37 AM MST), in a posting to the Suffolk County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Jen Miller (JMiller@westex.org) asked, "Dominic BRUNO (born c. 1874) and wife Laura BALDINO, who came over in 1896 from Naples Italy to Mannorville, Long Island. They had 4 children, Lenny, Arthur, Laura, and Antonette. They became farmers. Need to look up for 1930 Census. If anybody had information on where the family might be buried I would appreciate it." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Mastics-Moriches-Shirley Community Library (this is the library that has a contract to serve residents of the South Manor School District and the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Mastics-Moriches-Shirley Community Library 407 William Floyd Pkwy Shirley, NY 11967 Tel: 631/399-1511 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: wcicola@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://www.communitylibrary.org/ The pertinent geography: Manorville is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the northeast section of the Town of Brookhaven, in the middle of Suffolk County, along the Brookhaven/Riverhead town line. There are 8 villages (municipal corporations) and 36 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Brookhaven. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Manorville in the Town of Brookhaven is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Calverton in the Town of Riverhead (the Brookhaven/Riverhead town line); on the east by the Hamlets of Calverton and Eastport; on the south by the Hamlets of East Moriches, Center Moriches, Moriches and Mastic; and, on the west by the Hamlets of Mastic, Shirley and Yaphank (Brookhaven National Laboratory). And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Manorville has a different border than does the "Manorville, NY 11949" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Manorville mailing address and not be in Manorville and a place can have other than a Manorville mailing address and be in Manorville). Those places that have a "Manorville, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Manorville are in the Hamlet of Calverton, Town of Riverhead; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Manorville with an "East Moriches, NY 11940" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier editions of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Manorville in the Town of Brookhaven, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 24 (map) and 25 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On the question about the location of Tar-men's Neck, Fireplace and Wawcoruck, I've receved a reply from my source at the Long Island Regional Planning Board (he's a descendent of Robert Coe, on of the founders of the Town of Huntington and the Town of Jamaica, and his wife is a descendent of the 'Bull' Smith of Smithtown fame): 1. Back in the 1600's "Nassau" was the name used for all of Long Island so it is very possible that this place is in Suffolk County. 2. In 1871 residents of Fire Place changed the name to the hamlet of Brookhaven thus forever confusing it with the Town of Brookhaven in which it is located. 3. Our 1858 map shows Fire Place to be at the present day intersection of South Country Rd. and Montauk Hwy. 4. Hagstrom atlases have referred to the the southern part of Brookhaven hamlet as Fireplace Neck for the last 50 years or so. Since the western boundary of Brookhaven is the Carmans River it is possible that Tar-men's and Carmans refer to the same area. I have canoed that area extensively and can well imagine it as Carmans swamp. 5. As for "Wawcoruck" I don't have a clue. Thanks, Roy. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan

On 2/22/04 (6:39:19 PM MST), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Barbara O. Rowley (borowley@ptd.net) asked, "St. Mary's Church in Roslyn was built in 1872. Does anyone know which church Catholics in Roslyn most likely attended before 1872?" For questions such as yours, you may want to contact either or both the Diocesan Archivist of the R.C. DIOCESE OF ROCKVILLE CENTRE or the Bryant Library: Ms. Jean Walsh, Diocesan Archivist Diocesan Archives R.C. DIOCESE OF ROCKVILLE CENTRE Seminary of the Immaculate Conception 440 West Neck Road Huntington, NY 11743 Tel: 631/423-0483, ext. 109 Fax: 631/423-7922 eMail: archives@drvc.org http://www.drvc.org/ The Bryant Library 2 Paper Mill Road Roslyn, NY 11576 Tel: 516/621-2240 Fax: 516/621-7211 eMail: ????? http://www.nassaulibrary.org/bryant/ Roslyn is one of those communities on Long Island where the majority of the places with a Roslyn mailing address are not in Roslyn. The pertinent geography: Roslyn is a village (incorporated in 1932) in the center-east part of the Town of North Hempstead, in the north-central part of Nassau County. There are 30 villages (incorporated municipality) and 18 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of North Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Roslyn in the Town of North Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Village of Flower Hill, the Hamlet of Port Washington, Port Washington Harbor and the Village of Roslyn Harbor; on the east by the Village of East Hills; on the south by the Hamlet of Roslyn Heights; and, on the west by the Villages of Roslyn Estates and Flower Hill. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Roslyn has a different border than does the "Roslyn, NY 11576" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Roslyn mailing address and not be in Roslyn). ..................................................area .....Village of Roslyn.....................381 .....Roslyn, NY 11576................3,496* * This includes 234 acres in the Town of Oyster Bay. Thus, about 9 out of every 10 places with a "Roslyn, NY" mailing address are NOT in the Village of Roslyn and one out of 15 are NOT in the Town of North Hempstead. Quickly eyeballing the map overlay of the "11576" postal zip code versus village and hamlet borders, the following communities seem to be at least partially within the borders of the "Roslyn, NY" postal zone and hence have a "Roslyn, NY" mailing address (if the community is a village, its year of incorporation is shown inside the parenthesis): ......Village of Roslyn Harbor (1931) ......Village of East Hills/Town of North Hempstead (1931) ......Village of East Hills/Town of Oyster Bay (1931) ......Hamlet of Roslyn Heights ......Village of Roslyn Estates (1931) ......Hamlet of Searingtown ......Village of North Hills (1929) ......Village of Flower Hill (1931) Also, complicating the matter even more, the "Roslyn, NY 11576" postal zone is a bifurcated postal zone, with noncontiguous areas separated by the "Roslyn Heights, NY 11577", the "Albertson, NY 11507" and the "Manhasset, NY 11030" postal zones. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Roslyn (incorporated in 1932) in the Town of North Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 6 (map) and 7 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 2/10/04 (7:46:28 PM MST), in a posting to the Nassau County Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com and that I re-posted to li-rooters@listserv.genexchange.com and NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Ken Simpson (ksimpson@optonline.net) asked, "Looking for any information on the Cemetary on Oakfield Road (Ave?) in Wantagh. It had been part of the Zion Church that was once there and contains the resting place of Civil War Veterans and Slaves. Any information anyone could give on this would be gratefully appreciated." In reply to this query, David Roberts (droberts@olg.com) asked me to post the following: Walter: You can post this to the NY-LONGISLAND-L list. I'm not on it. A history of this cemetery is on a LDS film of Wantagh Cemeteries. I put it on the Nassau NYGenExchange site. When the GenExchange ever gets back up, the history of the cemetery is there for all to see. I believe the church is now Episcopal, but it may have been Methodist at one time in its history. David Thanks David. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan

On 2/20/04 (9:29:01 PM MST), in a private posting, Greg (gregwalsh@verizon.net) posted some information about the history/geography of the Village of Bellerose and immediate area. Among the items posted were: "As you may be aware, Nassau County dates from 1898 when (present day) Queens County was absorbed into NYC. Nassau consists of the three (3) townships (Hempstead, North Hempstead, and Oyster Bay) and two (2) cities (Glen Cove, and Long Beach) that chose not to join NYC (at least not as a contiguous group, which was required for merger into the City)." My comment: The break-up of Queens County was a two-stage process. On January 1, 1898, the western-quarter of Queens County became coterminous with the newly formed Borough of Queens (this included what had been the City of Long Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica, and the Rockaway peninsula of the Town of Hempstead) and it's the Borough (administrative district of NYC) of Queens, not the County (political sub-dvision of NYS) of Queens, that was and still is within the jurisdiction of NYC. The larger, eastern three-quarters of Queens County had no political connection to NYC. A year later, on January 1, 1899, the Towns, not Townships, of North Hempstead (now excluding the Rockaway peninsula), Hempstead and Oyster Bay -- the eastern three-quarters of Queens County -- seceded from Queens County and formed Nassau County. The two cities: Glen Cove and Long Beach, were not yet cities. The Hamlet of Glen Cove seceded from Town of Oyster Bay and became a city in 1918. The Hamlet of Long Beach first became a village in the Town of Hempstead in 1918 and then seceded from the Town of Hempstead and became a city in 1922. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) "Long Island's (arguably) greatest historian - and still alive - is Vincent F. Seyfried. Although I've never met him, I am a great fan of his writings, especially those devoted to the Long Island Rail Road, and the extensive trolley system that existed here in the early 1900's. I am told he lives in Garden City." My comment: I have had several telephone conversations with Vincent Seyfried. He may have a good knowledge of history, but his knowledge of geography is somewhat fuzzy because like many, he has a tendency to confuse postal zone borders with community borders, especially in regard to the borders of hamlets. "Pat, as I indicated, I don't know Vince personally, nor do I have his address or phone number." My comment: The last time I spoke with Vincent Seyfried (a few years ago) he was living in the Village of Garden City and he was the Village of Garden City historian. Thus, you may be able to obtain his contact information by contacting the Village Clerk for the Village of Garden City (that's how I was able to obtain his telephone number): Village Clerk Village of Garden City Garden City Village Hall 351 Stewart Avenue Garden City, New York 11530 Tel: 516/465-4053 Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: ?????? http://www.gardencityny.net/gcvillage.htm I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Sincerely, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

NEWSDAY IS THE LONG ISLAND PAPER WWW.NEWSDAY.COM In a message dated 2/20/2004 2:58:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Soyamaven@aol.com writes: On 2/20/04 (11:12:22 AM MST), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Susan (csds@lsol.net) asked, "A relative was married in Sayville in the 1970's. I would like to find her wedding announcement and wonder if anyone on the list knows which newspaper I would request from my library? thank you!"