Hello, Joanie ... Possibly you mean the Stony Brook Carriage Museum? The following link provides a list of all museums in New York State: http://www.worldartantiques.com/NewYork.html As for locating your carriage builders, I suggest consulting 1890s city directories for Long Island City, available at many libraries. If you are not in the area, perhaps someone could do a lookup for you. (I'm 3000 miles away!) You might also try a name or keyword search in the Brooklyn Eagle, which is online up to 1902. I found a number of citations for my great-grandfather in the Eagle, even though he lived and worked in Nassau County. Your own library's business section may have business directories that provide information on now-defunct companies throughout the U.S. ~~Cadia

On 5/9/04 (2:38:38 PM MDT), in a posting to NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com, Barbara (MmeScarlett@aol.com) asked, "What town is Montauk in? " Montauk is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the extreme east part of the Town of East Hampton, in the extreme southeast part of Suffolk County. There are currently 2 villages (municipal corporations) and 7 hamlets all or partly in the Town of East Hampton. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Montauk is bordered on the north, east and south by Long Island Sound; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Napeague. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Montauk has a different border than does the "Montauk, NY 11954" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Montauk mailing address and not be in Montauk). Those places that have a "Montauk, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Montauk are in the Hamlet of Napeague. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Montauk in the Town of East Hampton, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 32 (map) and 33 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Hello, I am wondering if anyone on this list would know anything about a business that existed at 77 7th Ave. in Long Island City around 1890 thru 1899 perhaps...the years could be off a bit...run by John J. Murphy and his sons, Thomas J., John and Peter. I once contacted a carriage museum in the area and they had no information of these carriage builders. Thomas was shown as a painter and a blacksmith at varying times...both professions being in line with titles of someone working on building carriages. John J. Murphy was listed in a directory as a "carriage builder" during the same period of time. I've lost all my bookmarks and can't remember the name of the museum either. I am most anxious to learn whether the Murphy men had their own business and what it's name might have been. I am assuming it was their business since they all lived at or around 77 7th Ave. and 88 8th Ave. John J. Murphy's daughter Anne married Joseph P. Adams who lived and worked nearby as well. If anyone has any resources to shed light on this family's activities during this time, I would be most grateful. I am hoping to learn the name of the business, and thereby eventually obtain pictures of it and possibly pictures of these ancestors. Thanks for your time, Joanie

On 5/9/04 (8:58:37 AM MDT), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Lee Kathy (kathyglee@juno.com) asked, "Stephanie married Anthony Forgione and they lived in Glen Cove in the 1930'or 1940's. Looking for anyone who knows who her parents were." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Glen Cove Public Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Glen Cove Public Library 4 Glen Cove Avenue Glen Cove, NY 11542-2885 Tel: 516/676-2130 Fax: 516/676-2788 eMail: glencove@lilrc.org http://www.nassaulibrary.org/glencove/ The pertinent geography: Glen Cove is a city in Nassau County and is located in the north central part of Nassau County. There are 2 cites and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Glen Cove incorporated as a city in 1918 and became independent of the Town of Oyster Bay. Prior to that date, Glen Cove was a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the Town of Oyster Bay, initially in Queens County until January 1, 1899, and since then in Nassau County. Before it was called Glen Cove, the hamlet was called Musketa Cove. Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the City of Glen Cove is bordered on the north by Long Island Sound; on the east by the Villages of Lattingtown and Matinecock in the Town of Oyster Bay; on the south by the Hamlet of Glen Head and the Village of Sea Cliff in the Town of Oyster Bay; and, on the west by Long Island Sound. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), it has a different border than does the "Glen Cove, NY 11542" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Glen Cove mailing address and not be in Glen Cove). ...........................................acres ........City of Glen Cove..........4,336 ........Glen Cove, NY 11542....4,496 As you can see, some 160 acres or 3.5% of places with a Glen Cove mailing address are NOT in the City of Glen Cove. These places that have a "Glen Cove" mailing address, but are not in the City of Glen Cove are either in the Village of Lattingtown (incorporated in 1931) or the Village of Matinecock (incorporated in 1928) in the Town of Oyster Bay. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the City of Glen Cove, Nassau County on pages 2, 5 & 11 (map) and 10 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 5/9/04 (8:27:51 AM MDT), in a posting to NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com, Diane (sidneybaby54@yahoo.com) asked, "a person is born in brooklyn, but dies in suffolk county . where do i obtain a death cert in suffolk or at 31 chambers street person died in 1965" You will need to know in which of the 10 towns in Suffolk County the death occurred. The collection of Vital Records in New York State begin in 1881, and are required to be kept by the city or town, as the case may be, in which the event (birth, death, marriage) occurred and by the state (Albany). Some of the larger villages do maintain these records, but not all villages do as they may voluntarily waive their right to do so and make it a responsibility of the town(s) in which the village is (are) in. If the place where the event occurred is in a village, the Town Clerk will tell you if the village or the town maintains the record. Currently, there are 10 towns in Suffolk County: Huntington Babylon Smithtown Islip Brookhaven Riverhead Southold Southampton Shelter Island East Hampton In this regard, please remember that it is very important to know in which city or town (or village) the event took place and the city or town (or village) could be different from the city or town (or village) where the individual may have resided. I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Sincerely, Walter Greenspan Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

This genealogy poem is my gift to everyone for Mother's Day. I think many of you will be able to relate to it. (My poetry has been published in 47 US States, and several other countries. My Poetry Website: http://users.rosenet.net/poetryandroses/ (This remains one of my favorite poems) MY ANCESTOR GRAND MOTHER I search for you yet do not even know your name I press on praying my efforts will prove fruitful the records do not list you or the other women who have lived and loved and laughed, gave birth, and died, the records perpetrate the myth that you were never here but I stand whole and bare my soul and vow to find you as I live I search for you in old records, in churches, at the Embassy, in small dimly lit rooms in the back of obscure libraries and archives and pour over barely readable handwritten ledgers with magnifying glass and flashlight I live on mainly toast these days there isn't time for meals or much sleep feeling as I always do, on the very brink of discovery Perhaps THIS will be the day I find the one seemingly insignificant clue, which will lead me to you although I did not find you listed in the Census Records I am not deterred, you may turn up yet, on an Immigration or Naturalization list somewhere perhaps, or maybe tucked away inside some bank of vital statistics, long forgotten like so many others, your name having become lost over the long years Your name could be lying even now amidst the millions of documents stored and locked away safeguarded in the bowels of a giant warehouse all stopped up from apathetic crowds who have long ceased their visits your precious name, lying just inside a myriad of records packed in tight, packed in to stay never guessing I would come @Sarah Elizabeth Rose srose@rosenet.net

On 5/8/04 (7:09:25 PM MDT). in a posting to both the NYNEWYOR-L@rootsweb.com and the NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com, Elizabeth V. Cardinal (evc1369@comcast.net) asked, "I now have the death certificate number for Anthony Adamo. Where do I write for the actual certificate." You'll want to write to the Town Clerk of the Town of North Hempstead: Office of the Town Clerk Town of North Hempstead North Hempstead Town Hall 200 Plandome Road Manhasset, NY 11030 Tel: 516/869-7646 Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: ????? http://www.northhempstead.com/town_clerk/town_clerk.htm I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan

On 5/7/04 (2:51:01 PM MDT), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Linda Skehan (mmskehan@aol.com) asked, "Looking for a Joseph Tucker, who was a Jewler from Floral Park, Oak St., Nassau Co.. He had a daughter Katherine Tucker that graduated from Sewanhaka High school 1939. Any information on this family would be very helpful." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Floral Park Public Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Floral Park Public Library 17 Caroline Avenue Floral Park, NY 11001 Tel: 516/326-6330 Fax: 516/437-6959 eMail: ????? http://www.nassaulibrary.org/fpark/ Floral Park is one of those communities on Long Island where many of the places with a Floral Park mailing address are not in Floral Park. The pertinent geography: Floral Park is a village (incorporated in 1908) partly in the southwest part of the Town of North Hempstead and partly in the northwest part of the Town of Hempstead, in the west part of Nassau County, along the Nassau/NYC border. There are 30 villages (municipal corporations) and 17 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of North Hempstead and there are 22 villages and 36 hamlets all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Village of Floral Park in the Towns of North Hempstead and Hempstead is bordered on the north by New York City (Queens County) and the Hamlet of North New Hyde Park in the Town of North Hempstead; on the east by the Village of New Hyde Park in the Towns of North Hempstead and Hempstead and the Village of Stewart Manor in the Town of Hempstead; on the south by the Hamlet of Elmont and the Village of South Floral Park in the Town of Hempstead; and, on the west by the Village of Bellerose in the Town of Hempstead. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Floral Park has a different border than does the "Floral Park, NY 11001" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Floral Park mailing address and not be in Floral Park). ...........................................acres .....Village of Floral Park..........903* .....Floral Park, NY 11001.....1,285** * 797 acres in Town of Hempstead; 106 acres in Town of North Hempstead. ** 1,130 acres in Town of Hempstead; 155 acres in Town of North Hempstead. Thus, you can readily see that 3 of every 10 places with a "Floral Park" mailing address are NOT in the Village of Floral Park. (The places may be in the Village of South Floral Park, the Village of Bellerose, the Hamlet of Bellerose Terrace or the Hamlet of North New Hyde Park.) For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Floral Park (incorporated in 1908) partly in the Town of North Hempstead and partly in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5, 6 & 8 (map) and 7 & 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 5/6/04 (8:33:21 PM MDT), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Mary Jane Denton (rdenton3@tampabay.rr.com) asked, "I need the address and the cost to send for 2 death certificates. One from 1886 & one from 1890. Both lived in the Town of Hempstead NY which at the time was in the county of Queens." Office of the Town Clerk Town of Hempstead Hempstead Town Hall One Washington Street Hempstead, NY 11550 Tel: 516/489-5000, X3046 Fax: 516/???-???? eMail: ????? http://www.townofhempstead.org./content/tc/menu_tc.html I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan

On 5/5/04 (3:26:39 PM MDT), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Nan F (me@writedeep.com) asked, "I'm looking for a local obit for Robert E. Bruce who died in December 1967 in North Massapequa. Also, does anyone know his children, David and Nina, or his wife, Virginia? Is there some way to get birth notices on the children locally?" For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Plainedge Public Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Plainedge Public Library 1060 Hicksville Road North Massapequa (Massapequa P.O.), NY 11758 Tel: 516/735-4133 Fax: 516/735-4192 eMail: staff@plainedgelibrary.org http://www.nassaulibrary.org/plnedge/ North Massapequa is one of those many communities on Long Island where none of the places in North Massapequa have a "North Massapequa, NY" mailing address. The pertinent geography: North Massapequa is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the south part of the Town of Oyster Bay, in the southeast part of Nassau County, along the Oyster Bay/Hempstead town line. There are 18 villages (municipal corporations) and 18 hamlets all or partly within the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of North Massapequa in the Town of Oyster Bay is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Plainedge; on the east by the Hamlet of South Farmingdale and the Village of Massapequa Park; on the south by the Hamlet of Massapequa; and, on the west by the Hamlet of North Wantagh and the Hamlet of Levittown in the Town of Hempstead (the Oyster Bay/Hempstead town line). And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of North Massapequa has a different border than does the postal zone that services its area. In this case, there is no "North Massapequa, NY" postal zone: ......................................................acres ......Hamlet of North Massapequa......1,941 ......North Massapequa, NY ?????.....none All places within the Hamlet of North Massapequa have a "Massapequa, NY 11758", a "Farmingdale, NY 11735", or a "Seaford, NY 117873" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of North Massapequa in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County on pages 5 & 11 (map) and 12 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 5/4/04 (12:15:24 AM MDT), as part of a posting to the Suffolk County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Debbie Smith (debphibud@hotmail.com) asked, "Searching for an OBITUARY for Alfred J. PHASEY who died 15 February 1967. He was previously a resident at 225 Front St, Mineola but in 1963 he bought a house at Centrereach, Brookhaven, Suffolk Co. where he lived until he died." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Middle Country Public Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Middle Country Public Library 101 Eastwood Boulevard Centereach, NY 11720 Tel: 631/585-9393 Fax: 631/585-5035 eMail: ????? http://www.mcpl.lib.ny.us/ The pertinent geography: Centereach is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the west part of the Town of Brookhaven, in the central part of Suffolk County. There are 8 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 36 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Brookhaven. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Centereach in the Town of Brookhaven is bordered on the north by Hamlet of Setauket-East Setauket; on the east by the Hamlets of Terryville and Selden; on the south by the Hamlets of Farmingville, Holtsville and Lake Ronkonkoma; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Lake Ronkonkoma, the Village of Lake Grove and the Hamlet of Stony Brook. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Centereach has a different border than does the "Centereach, NY 11720" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Centereach mailing address and not be in Centereach and a place can have other than a Centereach mailing address and be in Centereach). Those places that have a "Centereach, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Centereach are in the Hamlet of Farmingville and in the Hamlet of Selden; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Centereach with a "Selden, NY 11784" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Centereach in the Town of Brookhaven, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 24 (map) and 25 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

----- Original Message ----- From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> To: <NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 9:10 PM Subject: CENSUS QUESTION - CEDARHURST, NY > On 5/1/04 (9:45:04 PM MDT), in a posting to NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com, Gail > (gailjorgensen@cox.net) asked, > > "I want to try to do a page by page search of the 1900 census of Cedarhurst, > NY. I have an illusive relative, Frederick Lavender born 1865 in Ireland, who > lived with his wife Margaret, born in Bagenalstown, Ireland in 1872 and their > 2 daughters Lenore and Elizabeth (Elsie) in Cedarhurst. > > How do I figure out which pages of the census cover this area?" > > I did a search of the 1900 US Census for New York on HeritageQuest for the surname Lavender. I got 33 hits across 13 counties (none of which were Nassau) and could not find anyone that fit the criteria listed. No one by any of the given names or approximate age could be found. I did find a Margaret Lavender, age 40, born in Ireland listed in the 1900 census for Ohio, Cuyahoga County, Cleveland on page 17B. Margaret was widowed and the mother of 4 children with 1 still living. She was working as a servant (apparently in the house of Albert Price). Margaret is listed as having been born in November 1860. I hope this helps, Karl Johnson E-Mail: johnsonkm@cox.net Website: http://freepages/genealogy/rootsweb.com/~arizona --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.672 / Virus Database: 434 - Release Date: 4/28/2004

On 5/3/04 (7:22:51 AM MDT), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Nancy (nancyml@comcast.net) asked, "I just returned from a visit to the Mormon Library in Salt Lake. While there I looked for the availability of death indexes/records for Suffolk County from 1910 through 1920. I don't believe they were available/filmed. Where do you write for a death record if you don't know the date of death? or where they are buried? They were in Islip township in the 1910 census. They would have been Catholic." You may want to check with the town clerk of the Town of Islip: Town Clerk Town of Islip Islip Town Hall 655 Main Street Islip, NY 11751-3651 Tel: 631/224-5490 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: ????? http://www.???.???.??? I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan

On 5/2/04 (9:04:28 PM MDT), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Larry (least@hotmail.com) asked, "I don't live in New York and was wondering if anyone had a couple minutes to look up an obit in Newsday for me?? KATZ, Caroline d. 11 Mar 1990 her last known residence was in Seaford, Nassau, NY I've already checked the NY Times microfilms and did not find her so I'm thinking maybe it could be listed in Newsday?? Unless, of course, anyone knows of any other newspaper that might carry her obituary.. unfortunately I'm not even sure she'll have an obit..." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Seaford Public Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Seaford Public Library 2234 Jackson Avenue Seaford, NY 11783 Tel: 516/221-1334 Fax: 516/826-8133 eMail: selcirc@nassau.nls.lib.ny.us http://www.nassaulibrary.org/seaford/ Seaford is one of those communities on Long Island where the majority of the places with a Seaford mailing address are not in Seaford. The pertinent geography: Seaford is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the extreme southeast section of the Town of Hempstead, in the southeast part of Nassau County, along the border with the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 22 villages (municipal corporations) and 36 hamlets all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Hamlet of Seaford in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of North Wantagh; on the east by the Hamlet of Massapequa, Town of Oyster Bay (the Hempstead/Oyster Bay town line); on the south by scattered islands in the South Oyster Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Wantagh. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Seaford has a different border than does the "Seaford, NY 11783" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Seaford mailing address and not be in Seaford). ......................................acres ......Hamlet of Seaford......1,758 ......Seaford, NY 11783....3,942* * Area includes 160 acres in the Town of Oyster Bay. A bit more than half the places with a "Seaford, NY" mailing address are not in the Hamlet of Seaford. These places that have a "Seaford, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Seaford are in the Hamlets of North Wantagh and Levittown, Town of Hempstead and the Hamlets of North Massapequa and Plainedge, Town of Oyster Bay. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Seaford in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

How can I go about viewing the 1875 and 1885 NYS Censuses for both Manhattan and for Brooklyn? Do they contain significant information to include family members? I have street addresses. Does the State Archives in Albany allow borrowing and return? Are they already on line? I live in California and cannot plan on a visit to NY in the near future. Thanks in advance, Jan

On 5/1/04 (9:45:04 PM MDT), in a posting to NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com, Gail (gailjorgensen@cox.net) asked, "I want to try to do a page by page search of the 1900 census of Cedarhurst, NY. I have an illusive relative, Frederick Lavender born 1865 in Ireland, who lived with his wife Margaret, born in Bagenalstown, Ireland in 1872 and their 2 daughters Lenore and Elizabeth (Elsie) in Cedarhurst. How do I figure out which pages of the census cover this area?" Two things that might be of some help to you: I've cross-posted this eMail to both the NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com and the NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com lists in case someone on either of these two lists can provide come guidance to you; and, The pertinent geography for Cedarhurst: Cedarhurst is a village (incorporated in 1910) in the southwest part of the Town of Hempstead, in the southwest part of Nassau County, adjacent to the Queens/Nassau County line. There are 22 villages and 36 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) The Village of Cedarhurst is one of the upscale "5 Towns" (none of which are towns) that includes the Village of Lawrence (incorporated in 1897) and the Hamlets of Hewlett, Inwood and Woodmere. Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Village of Cedarhurst in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north and east by the Hamlet of Woodmere; on the south by the Village of Lawrence; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Inwood. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Cedarhurst has a different border than does the "Cedarhurst, NY 11516" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Cedarhurst mailing address and not be in Cedarhurst and a place can be in Cedarhurst and have other than have other than a Cedarhurst mailing address). ........................................acres .....Village of Cedarhurst......428 .....Cedarhurst, NY 11516....864 Thus, a bit more than half the paces with a "Cedarhurst, NY" mailing address are NOT in the Village of Cedarhurst. (These places that have a "Cedarhurst, NY" mailing address that are not in the Village of Cedarhurst are mostly in the Village of Lawrence and the Hamlet of Woodmere.) For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier editions of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Cedarhurst (incorporated in 1910) in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Walter, I just wanted to publicly thank you for all your help in the field of genealogy. Your posts are very interesting and informative. Even though most of it does not apply to my family, I do so enjoy reading your posts. Thank you!

On 4/30/04 (3:40:06 PM MDT), in a posting to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, Annie Nolan (annie.nolan1@btopenworld.com) asked, "Francis Clark,was born in Co Fermanagh, N. Ireland. He arrived in New York, about 1870. In 1874 he got married to Eliza Darcy. Children of Francis Clark and Eliza Darcy were: Agnes,Bessie, Marguerite,Francis,Stella, Arthur,Raymond, and Lydia. I would like to have information on the descendants of any of these Clarks who may now be living in Glen Head, Williston Park, Oyster Bay. I am also looking for descendants of The Connors family.Their names were: Mollie,Lizzie,Annie,and Pete." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Glen Head, Williston Park and the Oyster Bay-East Norwich Public Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Glen Head unfortunately is unserviced by a library. Williston Park Public Library 494 Willis Avenue Williston Park, NY 11596 Tel: 516/742-1820 Fax: 516/294-5004 eMail: ????? http://www.nassaulibrary.org/williston/ Oyster Bay-East Norwich Public Library 89 East Main Street Oyster Bay 11771 Tel: 516/922-1212 Fax: 516/922-6453 eMail: ??????? http://www.nassaulibrary.org/oysterbay/index.html The pertinent geography for Glen Head: Glen Head is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the northwest part of the Town of Oyster Bay, in the north-central part of Nassau County. There are 18 hamlets and 18 villages all or partly within the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Hamlet of Glen Head in the Town of Oyster Bay is bordered on the north by the City of Glen Cove; on the east by the Village of Matinecock; on the south by the Village of Old Brookville and the Hamlet of Glenwood Landing; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Glenwood Landing and the Village of Sea Cliff. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Glen Head has a different border than does the "Glen Head, NY 11545" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Glen Head mailing address and not be in Glen Head). .............................................acres .....Hamlet of Glen Head..........1,068 .....Glen Head, NY 11545........8,366 Thus, more than 7 out of every 8 places with a "Glen Head, NY" mailing address are NOT in the Hamlet of Glen Head. Quickly eyeballing the map overlay of the "11545" postal ZIP codes versus village and hamlet borders, the following 7 communities (5 villages and 2 hamlets) seem to be at least partially within the borders of the "Glen Head, NY" postal zone and hence places in these communities can have a "Glen Head, NY" mailing address: Village of Matinecock, Village of Old Brookville, Village of Brookville, Village of Upper Brookville, the Hamlet of East Norwich, the Village of Muttontown and the Hamlet of Glenwood Landing. The pertinent geography for Williston Park: Williston Park is a village (incorporated in 1926) in the center-south part of the Town of North Hempstead, in the west part of Nassau County. There are 30 villages and 18 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of North Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Williston Park in the Town of North Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Albertson; on the east by the Village of East Williston; on the south by the Village of Mineola; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Herricks. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Williston Park has a different border than does the "Williston Park, NY 11596" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Williston Park mailing address and not be in Williston Park). ........................................................area .....Village of Williston Park.................390 .....Williston Park, NY 11596...............933 Thus, about 3 out of every 5 places that have a "Williston Park, NY" mailing address are not in the Village of Williston Park. Those place that have a "Williston Park, NY" mailing address that are not in the Village of Williston Park are in the Village of East Williston, the Hamlet of Roslyn Heights and the Village of Mineola. The pertinent geography for Oyster Bay: Oyster Bay is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the northern most part of the Town of Oyster Bay, in the northeast part of Nassau County. There are 18 villages (municipal corporations) and 18 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Oyster Bay in the Town of Oyster Bay is bordered on the north by Oyster Bay Harbor, on the east by the Village of Oyster Bay Cove, on the south by the Hamlet of East Norwich and on the west by the Village of Upper Brookville and the Village of Mill Neck. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Oyster Bay has a different border than does the "Oyster Bay, NY 11771" postal zone (i.e., a place can have an Oyster Bay mailing address and not be in Oyster Bay). .............................................acres .....Hamlet of Oyster Bay............763 .....Oyster Bay, NY 11771........7,002 .....Town of Oyster Bay..........70,908 Thus, you can readily see that 9 of every 10 places with an "Oyster Bay" mailing address are NOT in the Hamlet of Oyster Bay. [These places may be in the Village of Centre Island (incorporated in 1926), the Village of Cove Neck (incorporated in 1927), the Village of Oyster Bay Cove (incorporated in 1931), the Village of Laurel Hollow (incorporated in 1926), the Hamlet of East Norwich, the Village of Muttontown (incorporated in 1931), the Village of Upper Brookville (incorporated in 1932) and the Village of Mill Neck (incorporated in 1924).] For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Glen Head and the Hamlet of Oyster Bay in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County on pages 5 & 11 (map) and 12 (population estimate) and you'll find the Village of Williston Park (incorporated in 1926) in the Town of North Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 6 (map) and 7 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 4/29/04 (2:31:19 AM MDT), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, D. Smith (debphibud@hotmail.com) asked, "Searching for information on the following families and would LOVE to find their OBITUARIES. Can anyone please HELP? ALFRED J. PHASEY died. 15 Feb 1967 (b. New York) REGINALD J. PHASEY died 19 Dec 1951 (b. England) AMANDA PHASEY died 20 Oct 1942 (b. Finland/Russia) INGEBORG PHASEY (nee BACHE) died 19 Mar 1943 (b. Scandinavia) WILLIAM S. PHASEY died ? (b. England)" For Reginald PHASEY and his wife Amanda PHASEY who resided in the Hamlet of Syosset in the Town of Oyster Bay in Nassau County, you may want to contact the Syosset Public Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Syosset Public Library 225 South Oyster Bay Road Syosset, NY 11791-5897 Tel: 516/921-7161 Fax: 516/921-8771 eMail: http://www.nassaulibrary.org/syosset/emailref.html http://www.nassaulibrary.org/syosset/ For Alfred J. PHASEY who lived in the Hamlet of Brookhaven in the Town of Brookhaven in Suffolk County, you may want to contact the Brookhaven Free Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Brookhaven Free Library 273 Beaver Dam Road Brookhaven, NY 11719 Tel: 631/286-1923 Fax: 631/286-0120 eMail: broolib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://www.suffolk.lib.ny.us/libraries/broo/ The pertinent geography for Syosset: Syosset is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the central part of the Town of Oyster Bay, in the northeast part of Nassau County. There are 18 hamlets and 18 villages all or partly within the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Hamlet of Syosset in the Town of Oyster Bay is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of East Norwich and the Villages of Oyster Bay Cove and Laurel Hollow; on the east by the Hamlet of Woodbury; on the south by the Hamlets of Plainview, Hicksville and Jericho; and, on the west by the Village of Muttontown. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Syosset has a different border than does the "Syosset, NY 11791" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Syosset mailing address and not be in Syosset and a place can be in Syosset and have other than a Syosset mailing address). ............................................acres .....Hamlet of Syosset............3,241 .....Syosset, NY 11791...........7,339 As you can observe, a bit more than 1 out of 2 places with a Syosset mailing address are not in Syosset. These places are in parts of the Villages of Muttontown and Laurel Hollow; and, at the same time, there are places that are in Syosset that have a "Jericho, NY" mailing address. Prior to 1990, the part of the Hamlet of Syosset south of the Jericho Turnpike was the separate Hamlet of Locust Grove (1,354 acres). The pertinent geography for Brookhaven: Previously known as Fireplace, Brookhaven is a hamlet (an unincorporated community) in the south-central part of the Town of Brookhaven, in the center of Suffolk County. There are 8 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 36 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Brookhaven. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Brookhaven in the Town of Brookhaven is bordered on the north by the Hamlets of North Bellport and Yaphank; on the east by the Hamlet of Shirley; on the south by the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Village of Bellport and the Hamlet of North Bellport. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Brookhaven has a different border than does the "Brookhaven, NY 11719" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Brookhaven mailing address and not be in Brookhaven). These places that have a "Brookhaven, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Brookhaven are in the Hamlet of North Bellport and in the Hamlet of Shirley. At the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Brookhaven that have a "Yaphank, NY 11980" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Syosset in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County on pages 5 & 11 (map) and 12 (population estimate) and you'll find the Hamlet of Brookhaven in the Town of Brookhaven, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 24 (map) and 25 (population estimate).. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of place shave a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 4/29/04 (8:32:31 PM MDT), in a posting to the Suffolk County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Leslie Meyers (lgmeyers@yahoo.com) asked, "I am looking for a copy of an obituary for Gertrude L Purick (1911-May 1995) and/or Harold F Purick (1907-Nov 1984). I believe they lived in Saint James and had three daughters, one of which died in 1964." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Smithtown Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Smithtown Library (Main Branch) 1 North Country Road Smithtown, New York 11787 Tel: 631/265-2072 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: ?????? http://www.smithlib.org/ The pertinent geography: Saint James is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the east part of the Town of Smithtown, in the northwest part of Suffolk County, along the Smithtown/Brookhaven town line. There are 3 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 8 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Smithtown. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Saint James is bordered on the north by the Village of Head of the Harbor; on the east by the Hamlet of Stony Brook and the Village of Lake Grove in the Town of Brookhaven (the Smithtown/Brookhaven Town line); on the south by the Hamlet of Nesconset; and, on the west by the Village of the Branch and the Hamlet of Smithtown. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Saint James has a different border than does the "Saint James, NY 11780" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Saint James mailing address and not be in Saint James and a place can have other than a Saint James mailing address and be in Saint James). Those places that have a "Saint James, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Saint James are in the Village of Head of the Harbor and the Village of Nissequoque; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Saint James with a "Smithtown, NY 11787" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2002 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Saint James in the Town of Smithtown, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 22 (map) and 23 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of place shave a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.