My grandmother was born in Long Island City (LIC) in 1893. Her birth certificate was obtained from Queens County. Thanks to my Dad telling me the when "New York City" was listed as the birthplace back then....they meant Long Island City and that was Queens. I never would have figured that one out on my own for possibly YEARS. It's one of the few things my father was able to tell me about his family...and it sure was a "dilly"! Joanie Caffecupz@aol.com wrote: >My ggfather, John Henry Barrett, was born between 1850 & 1855, "LIC". > >Where would I look for a b. cert? > >Also, there is "Moire" on some papers that does not pertain to Ireland, but >to "LIC". > >All help appreciated. > >Barbara : ) > > German: >Bauer/Beare/Beimann/Beekman/Beuscher/Blankenmeyer/Castle/Decker/Englehard/t/He >lmken >Hohler/Hurrinus/Johnson/Keller/Kittelberger/Low/Miller/Muller/Ringeisen/Rollmann/Schneider/Soffel/Stratton/Wagner > >Irish: >Barrett,/Burke/Byrne/Conway/Corrigan/Gallagher/Pascoe/Quinn > >Polish: >Budarz/Romanski > > >==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== >Please do not send messages to the list asking the members to join in "letter writing" campaigns, regardless of the purpose. >Guidelines for the list can be found at: >http://home.insightbb.com/~karima/LongIslandWelcome.html > > > >

On 5/25/04 (4:51:03 PM MDT), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, David Helfrich (dhelfrich3@comcast.net) asked, "I could use some help with an obituary for Duane Helfrich of Long Beach, Nassau County, New York. He died February 19, 1941 in Brooklyn, where he worked. He lived at 573 Magnolia Blvd. with his wife Virginia. Any help is appreciated." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Long Beach Public Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Long Beach Public Library 111 West Park Avenue Long Beach, NY 11561 Tel: 516/432-7201 Fax: 516/889-4641 eMail: lblibrary@yahoo.com http://www.nassaulibrary.org/longbeach/ The pertinent geography: Long Beach is a city located on Long Beach Island in the southwest part of Nassau County. There are 2 cites and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Long Beach incorporated as a city in 1922 and became independent of the Town of Hempstead. Prior to that date, Long Beach was a village (incorporated in 1918) and prior to that, Long Beach was a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the Town of Hempstead, initially in Queens County until January 1, 1899, and since then in Nassau County. Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the City of Long Beach is bordered on the north by Hewlett Bay and Reynolds Channel; on the east by the Hamlet of Lido Beach in the Town of Hempstead; on the south by the Atlantic Ocean; and, on the west by the Hamlet of East Atlantic Beach in the Town of Hempstead. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), it has a different border than does the "Long Beach, NY 11561" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Long Beach mailing address and not be in Long Beach). ..............................................acres ........City of Long Beach..........1,590 ........Long Beach, NY 11561....2,571 As you can see, 2 out of every 5 places with a Long Beach address are NOT in the City of Long Beach. These places that have a "Long Beach" mailing address, but are not in the City of Long Beach are either in the Hamlet of East Atlantic Beach or the Hamlet of Lido Beach, both of these hamlets are in the Town of Hempstead. For those who have their copy of the 2003 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the City of Long Beach (incorporated in 1922), Nassau County on pages 2, 5 & 8 (map) and 10 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 5/25/04 (10:42:23 AM MDT), in a posting to NY-LONGISLAND-L@rootsweb.com, Barbara (Caffecupz@aol.com) asked, "My ggfather, John Henry Barrett, was born between 1850 & 1855, "LIC". Where would I look for a b. cert? Also, there is "Moire" on some papers that does not pertain to Ireland, but to "LIC"." "LIC" may or may not refer to Long Island City. However, the early to mid-1850s is some 20 to 15 years before the creation of Long Island City. The City of Long Island City was chartered in 1870, and the area to become the City of Long Island City (includes the Village of Astoria and parts or all of adjacent hamlets) seceded from and became independent of the Town of Newtown in Queens County. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Wishing all a Happy Shavuot (begins Tuesday, May 25 at sunset), Walter Greenspan

My ggfather, John Henry Barrett, was born between 1850 & 1855, "LIC". Where would I look for a b. cert? Also, there is "Moire" on some papers that does not pertain to Ireland, but to "LIC". All help appreciated. Barbara : ) German: Bauer/Beare/Beimann/Beekman/Beuscher/Blankenmeyer/Castle/Decker/Englehard/t/He lmken Hohler/Hurrinus/Johnson/Keller/Kittelberger/Low/Miller/Muller/Ringeisen/Rollmann/Schneider/Soffel/Stratton/Wagner Irish: Barrett,/Burke/Byrne/Conway/Corrigan/Gallagher/Pascoe/Quinn Polish: Budarz/Romanski

On 5/24/04 (8:31:48 AM MDT), in a posting to the Nassau County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYNASSAU-L@rootsweb.com, E Thompson (phillip-eileenthompson@msn.com) asked, "Looking for William GORHAM, born PA 1898, died Mar.1979 Hempstead, Nassau, NY. Obit, cemetary, funeral home all needed. Living relatives???" For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Hempstead Public Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Hempstead Public Library 115 Nichols Court Hempstead, NY 11550 Tel: 516/481-6990 Fax: 516/481-6719 eMail: hempstead@nassaulibrary.org http://www.nassaulibrary.org/hempstd/ It is important to know that there are 3 "Hempsteads" (from smallest to largest, in order of acreage): 1. There is the Village of Hempstead = 2,327 acres 2. There is the Hempstead, NY 11550 postal zone = 2,652 acres 3. There is the Town of Hempstead = 22,621 acres The pertinent geography: Hempstead is a village (incorporated in 1853) in the north-center section of the Town of Hempstead, in the central part of Nassau County. There are 22 villages and 36 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly within the Town of Hempstead. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, the Village of Hempstead in the Town of Hempstead is bordered on the north by the Village of Garden City and the Hamlet of East Garden City; on the east by the Hamlets of East Garden City and Uniondale; on the south by the Hamlets of Baldwin and South Hempstead; and, on the west by the Hamlet of West Hempstead. And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Village of Hempstead has a different border than does the "Hempstead, NY 11550" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Hempstead mailing address and not be in the Village of Hempstead). ..........................................acres .....Village of Hempstead.......2,327 .....Hempstead, NY 11550.....2,652 The Town of Hempstead is 22,621 acres. As you can see from the above, about 12.5% of the places that have a "Hempstead" mailing address are not in the Village of Hempstead. (Portions of the Hamlets of East Garden City and South Hempstead have Hempstead, NY mailing addresses.) For those who have their copy of the 2003 or earlier editions of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Hempstead (incorporated in 1853) in the Town of Hempstead, Nassau County on pages 5 & 8 (map) and 9 (population estimate). One final statistic: the Town of Hempstead is the most populous town (or township) in the U.S. The January 1, 2003 population is 759,535 (LIPA estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

With the expressed permission of the author, I'm cross-posting the following: On 5/24/04 (8:29:33 AM MDT), in a posting to NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com, Marge Spears-Soloff (MSpearssol@aol.com) wrote, The following additions were made on my web site: HNOH Welcome - Jewish Orphanages in the United States www.hnoh.com Memorial Page: New photographs Alumni Reunion Page: Listings for upcoming Orphanage Alumni Reunions Pride of Judea - Alumni Picnic, Sunday, June 6, 2004 Contact Information JCCA Alumni Day at Pleasantville, NY, Sunday, June 27, 2004 Reunion for all NY area institutions under successorship of the Jewish Child Care Association of New York; Contact Information St. Agatha Home for Children, Sunday, July 10, 2004 Contact Information There are also many postings on the Alumni Reunion Page from people searching for old friends, relatives or information. Please check this out as someone might be looking for you. For those of you not familiar with my website, it contains an historical and archival account of all Jewish Orphanages in the United States, plus information on accessing records. There are many Federal and State Censuses including names of children in residence at orphanages plus names of staff from all religious and ethnic backgrounds. Also hundreds of photographs, stories, articles, etc. and thousands of URLs for genealogy research. Marge Spears-Soloff MSpearssol@aol.com Orlando, FL HNOHalumni@aol.com HNOH Welcome - Jewish Orphanages in the United States http://www.hnoh.com I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Wishing all a Happy Shavuot (begins Tuesday, May 25 at sunset), Walter Greenspan

On 5/23/04 (4:41:33 AM MDT), as part of a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Lillian Kathleen Martin (malik@scs-net.org) asked, "My oldest Mills ancestor is Gideon Mills b. 1798 New York. He settled eventually in Fulton Co IL and raised a large family, and died there 1879. I believe he is shown on the 1820 census, at Smithtown, Suffolk Co., NY. Is there ANYONE researching any of these men, or at least any Mills family of Smithtown, NY ???? The area may be known as "Mills Pond", Long Island. For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Smithtown Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Smithtown Library (Main Branch) 1 North Country Road Smithtown, New York 11787 Tel: 631/265-2072 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: ?????? http://www.smithlib.org/ The pertinent geography: Smithtown is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the center part of the Town of Smithtown, in the northwest part of Suffolk County. There are 3 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 8 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Smithtown. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Smithtown in the Town of Smithtown is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Kings Park and the Village of Nissequogue; on the east the Village of Head of the Harbor. the Hamlet of St. James, the Village of the Branch and the Hamlet of Nesconset; on the south by the Hamlets of Hauppauge and the Hamlet of Commack; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Commack and the Hamlet of Kings Park. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Smithtown has a different border than does the "Smithtown, NY" postal zone. There are places that have a "Smithtown, NY 11787" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Smithtown. These places are in the Village of the Branch and the Village of Nissequogue, as well as in the Hamlets of St. James and Nesconset. For those who have their copy of the 2003 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Smithtown in the Town of Smithtown, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 22 (map) and 23 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of place shave a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 5/21/04 (10:43:55 AM MDT), in a posting to the Suffolk County ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Leslie McCarthy (lesliemcc@optonline.net) asked, "Tring to locate info on where my husband's great-great grandfather, John Carey, may be buried. He was a NY Police Detective Sergeant murdered in the line of duty and his death certificate reports that he was buried in Southold, LI on November 6, 1892. He emigrated to the states in the mid 1860s from Ireland...was there an "Irish" cemetery? A bit strange that he was buried out this far...he left behind a young widow and 5 kids who lived in mid-town NYC. Any ideas would be appreciated?" For questions such as yours, you may want to contact either or both the Southold Town Historian and/or the Southold Free Library: Ms. Antonia Booth Town Historian Southold Town Hall P.O. Box 1179 53095 Main Road Southold, NY 11971 Tel: 631/765-1981 Fax: 631/765-1823 eMail: antonia.booth@town.southold.ny.us http://southoldtown.northfork.net//historian.htm Southold Free Library 53705 Main Road Southold, NY 11971 Tel: 631/765-2077 Fax: 631/765-2197 eMail: sohdlib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://sohd.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ The pertinent geography: Southold is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the center of the Town of Southold, in the northeast part of Suffolk County. There are 1 village and 10 hamlets in the Town of Southold. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Southold in the Town of Southold is bordered on the north by Long Island Sound; on the east by the Hamlet of Greenport West; on the south by the Little Peconic Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Peconic. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Southold has a different border than does the "Southold, NY 11971" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Southold mailing address and not be in Southold and a place can have other than a Southold mailing address and be in Southold). Those places that have a "Southold, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Southold are in the Hamlet of West Greenport; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Southold with a "Peconic, NY 11936" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2003 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Southold in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 30 (map) and 31 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 5/20/04 12:55:40 PM (MDT), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Tammy Wells Grube (WellsGrubeVT@aol.com) asked, "Does anyone have access to any city directories for Huntington, Long Island for the years 1959-1962. Looking to see if the names of Edward and Rose Grube are listed." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Huntington Public Library and/or the Huntington Historical Society: Huntington Public Library 338 Main Street Huntington, NY 11743 Tel: 631/427-5165 Fax: 631/???-????? eMail: huntlib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://www.suffolk.lib.ny.us/libraries/hunt/ The Huntington Historical Society 209 Main Street Huntington, NY 11743 Tel: 631/427-7045 Fax: 631/427-7056 eMail: ?????? http://www.huntingtonhistoricalsociety.org/ It is important to know that there are 3 "Huntingtons" (from smallest to largest, in order of acreage): 1. There is the Hamlet of Huntington; 2. There is the Huntington, NY 11743 postal zone and it includes the Hamlet of Huntington and parts of other surrounding villages and hamlets within its service area; and, 3. There is the Town of Huntington and it includes the Huntington, NY 11743 postal zone, as well as other postal zones, within its borders. The pertinent geography: Huntington is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the north part of the Town of Huntington, in the northwest part of Suffolk County. There are 4 villages (municipal corporations) and 15 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Huntington. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Huntington in the Town of Huntington is bordered on the north by Huntington Bay, the Hamlet of Halesite, the Village of Huntington Bay and the Hamlet of Centerport; on the east by the Hamlets of Centerport and Greenlawn; on the south by the Hamlet of Huntington Station; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Cold Spring Harbor and the Village of Lloyd Harbor. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Huntington has a different border than does the "Huntington, NY 11743" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Huntington mailing address and not be in Huntington and a place can have other than a Huntington mailing address and be in Huntington). Those places that have a "Huntington, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Huntington are in the Hamlet of West Hills, the Hamlet of Greenlawn and the Hamlet of Elwood; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Huntington with a "Huntington Station, NY 11746" and a "Greenlawn, NY 11740" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2003 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Huntington in the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 16 (map) and 17 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of place shave a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 5/20/04 (12:37:29 PM MDT), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Jan in S.E. TX (fish@orbitworld.net) wrote, "I found a real treasure in my GGGrandmother's cookbook. A clipping from the Ephpheta showing a bride, Ruth Murphy and the groom Lorenzo Pagliaro. They were graduates of an institution for deaf mutes and were married in the St. Joseph's Chapel in Westchester. I later found them and their children in the 1930 Census as living in Patchogue Village, Suffolk Co., Brookhaven Township, N.Y. If anyone knows of this family I would like them to have this clipping." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Patchogue-Medford Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Patchogue-Medford Library 54-60 East Main Street Patchogue, NY 11772 Tel: 631/654-4700 Fax: 631/289-3999 Reference eMail: pmlref@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://pml.suffolk.lib.ny.us/index.htm The pertinent geography: The Village of Patchogue (incorporated in 1893) is in the southwest part of the Town of Brookhaven, in the south-center part of Suffolk County. There are 8 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 36 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Brookhaven. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Patchogue in the Town of Brookhaven is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of North Patchogue; on the east by the Hamlet of East Patchogue; on the south by the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Blue Point. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the hamlet and the postal zone that use the same name, have different borders. Places with a Patchogue mailing address may not be in Patchogue. These places with a Patchogue mailing address that are not in the Village of Patchogue are in the Hamlet of Blue Point, the Hamlet of North Patchogue, the Hamlet of East Patchogue, the Hamlet of North Bellport and the Village of Bellport. For those who have their copy of the 2003 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Patchogue (incorporated in 1893) in the Town of Brookhaven, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 24 (map) and 25 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 5/18/04 (5:37:56 PM MDT), in a posting to NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com, Kim (khawk@localnet.com) asked, "I was born in Huntington in 1967. My birth cert is yellow with my name and date of birth on it and no info about who my parents are, time of birth, nothing. This isnt what the birth certs looked like in 1967 are they? I would like to order a copy of my birth cert (just to have it) but dont want to end up with a copy of the yellow one that I already have ... where would I write to order it or does anyone know the web site for suffolk county vital records." You'll want to contact the Town Clerk for the Town of Huntington: Town Clerk Town of Huntington Huntington Town Hall 100 Main Street Huntington, NY 11743 Tel: 631/351-3206 Fax: 631/351-3205 eMail: clerk@town.huntington.ny.us http://town.huntington.ny.us/ I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan

Hi: Please let anyone you think might be interested know that the CD > "Scans of Selected Carpenter and Related Family Historical Papers and > Journals as Published by James Ausie Carpenter" is now available. > Details are available at > http://www.gbronline.com/adcarpenter/crfhcd/default.htm The Price is $25.00 (U.S.) including shipping, anywhere in the lower forty-eight by USPS, and handling. Please pay by check or money order. Please allow ten days for delivery. Also, please include your E-mail address with your order. You may contact me at 512 248 9954 or E-mail me : adcarpenter@gbronline.com Order From: Attn: CD Order Alton Carpenter 3703 Laurel Bay Loop Round Rock, TX 78681-1123 > Best regards, Alton Carpenter

Hi All -- Just a reminder to let everyone know the Canadian Census issue is still not settled and still in jeopardy. Lot's of Long Islander's left for Canada -- might be something to keep our eyes on!! Please check with www.globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazce/gazce104htm to catch up. Also, please respond to me privately with comments just in case this is off topic -- Terri

On 5/15/04 (6:20:20 PM MDT), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Eileen (frngdwlr@mhtc.net) asked, "Need the given name of Miss Gerard/Garrard/Jerard who married "Mr Hawkes" about 1820 probably in Suffolk County, NY. She was born about 1801 probably in Brookhaven. Also need Mr. Hawkes given name." For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Brookhaven Free Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Brookhaven Free Library 273 Beaver Dam Road Brookhaven, NY 11719 Tel: 631/286-1923 Fax: 631/286-0120 eMail: broolib@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://www.suffolk.lib.ny.us/libraries/broo/ The pertinent geography: Previously known as Fireplace, Brookhaven is a hamlet (an unincorporated community) in the south-center part of the Town of Brookhaven, in the center-south part of Suffolk County. There are 8 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 36 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Brookhaven. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Brookhaven in the Town of Brookhaven is bordered on the north by the Hamlets of North Bellport and Yaphank; on the east by the Hamlet of Shirley; on the south by the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Village of Bellport and the Hamlet of North Bellport. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Brookhaven has a different border than does the "Brookhaven, NY 11719" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Brookhaven mailing address and not be in Brookhaven). These places that have a "Brookhaven, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Brookhaven are in the Hamlet of North Bellport and in the Hamlet of Shirley. At the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Brookhaven that have a "Yaphank, NY 11980" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2003 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Brookhaven in the Town of Brookhaven, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 24 (map) and 25 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

I have updated the AHGP Queens County website by adding some maps (including street) and neighborhood webpages which include: Long Island City, Woodside, North Beach, Jackson Heights, Corona, elmhurst, Maspeth, Middle Village, Ridgewood, Glendale, Forest Hills, Bayside, Douglaston, Kew Gardens, Richmond Hills, Woodhaven, Hollis, Queens Village, Creedmoor, Springfield and Rockaway. If anyone would like to contribute data concerning these or the other town and villages in Queens County, please contact me off list. I would like to add churches, schools, cemeteries, libraries for each one plus and data you may have, like census or vital records you may have collected. I also would love for some help with writing the history of each of the neighborhoods. I only have about one line for each. If you can write one for any of them, send it to me and I will get it on line to help others. Also, if you have any pictures, I would be happy to add them to the webpages. You can access the website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyqueen2/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

The following information was found on the LDS Website: Joseph ALLISON, Male, Birth: <1679> <Of, Southold, Suffolk, New York>......... .........(no other data, except submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church) The above Joseph ALLISON is my G5 grandfather. I am planning to visit Southold and Suffolk County this summer to do genealogical research and try to find out if any type of documentation or records exist that would help me learn more about Joseph ALLISON. I would appreciate advice from members of this list about the most productive way I can spend a week or so of research on Long Island. I'd like to know which libraries, genealogical or historical societies, town clerks offices, courthouses, etc. I should be sure to visit and their addresses, phone numbers, e-mail addresses, etc. Thank you, Mary Allison Yonan yonan@fgi.net

On 5/12/04 (11:12:20 AM MDT), in a posting to NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com, Elizabeth (Grammagras@aol.com) asked, "From what I have seen you are the Long Island maven. From expierence I know you sent me to a very nice German restaurant. I seem to have come upon infrtomation that my mother's Aunt live in Patchogue (I think that is how you spell it). If she passed away out there where would I look for a death certificate? I know at some point she lived in Brooklyn." Elizabeth, you'll have to refresh my memory about the very nice German restaurant that I sent you to, as this recommendation may have come from some other person. If your mother's aunt's death actually occurred within the Village of Patchogue (remember, in NYS death certificates are issued by the city, town or village where the death occurred, not where the person was residing at the time of death), you'll need to contact the Patchogue Village Clerk: Village Clerk Village of Patchogue 14 Baker Street P.O. Box 719 Patchogue, NY 11772 Tel: 631/475-4300 Fax: 631/475-4314 eMail: info@patchoguevillage.org http://www.patchoguevillage.org/index.html The pertinent geography: The Village of Patchogue (incorporated in 1893) is in the southwest part of the Town of Brookhaven, in the south-center [art of Suffolk County. There are 8 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 36 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Brookhaven. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Patchogue in the Town of Brookhaven is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of North Patchogue; on the east by the Hamlet of East Patchogue; on the south by the Great South Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Blue Point. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the hamlet and the postal zone that use the same name, have different borders. Places with a Patchogue mailing address may not be in Patchogue. These places with a Patchogue mailing address that are not in the Village of Patchogue are in the Hamlet of Blue Point, the Hamlet of North Patchogue, the Hamlet of East Patchogue, the Hamlet of North Bellport and the Village of Bellport. For those who have their copy of the 2003 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Patchogue (incorporated in 1893) in the Town of Brookhaven, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 24 (map) and 25 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 5/11/04 (4:54:05 PM MDT), as part of a posting to the Suffolk County Ancestry Board that was 'gatewayed' to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Debbe Hagner (dhagner@attglobal.net) asked, "I am seeking information on Alice POWERs she died on January 13, 1884 in Brentwood. according to her death cert (died in 1884) her burial place is UNKNOWN and funeral home is UNKNOWN.. I find this strange... BUT could someone please find a obituary for me and if they have access to cemtery records I will be glad to pay for copy. She was a roman Catholic. Were they any ROMAN CATHOLIC churches in 1880's... Where are the records kept??? PLEASE LET me know where I can WRITE to for LEGAL guardian RECORDS... After Alice died she left 5 children to her husband William (unable to find him)..." Looking at your second question first, for Legal Guardian records you may want to contact the Suffolk County Surrogate's Court: Surrogate's Court 320 Center Drive Riverhead, NY 11901 Tel: 631/852-1745 Fax: 631/852-1777 eMail: ????? http://www.courts.state.ny.us/courts/10jd/suffolk/surrogates.shtml Now, turning to your first question, for a possible obituary you may want to contact the Brentwood Public Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Brentwood Public Library Second Avenue & Fourth Street Brentwood, NY 11717 Tel: 631/273-7883 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: ????? http://brentwood.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ The pertinent geography: Brentwood is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the northwest section of the Town of Islip, in the southwest part of Suffolk County, along the border with the Towns of Smithtown, Huntington and Babylon. There are 4 villages (incorporated municipalities) and 23 hamlets all or partly in the Town of Islip. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Brentwood in the Town of Islip is bordered on the north by Hamlets of Commack and Hauppauge in the Town of Smithtown (the Islip/Smithtown town line); on the east by the Hamlets of Central Islip and Islip; on the south by the Hamlets of Islip, North Bay Shore and Baywood; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Deer Park in the Town of Babylon (the Islip/Babylon town line) and the Hamlet of Dix Hills in the Town of Huntington (the Islip/Huntington town line). And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the Hamlet of Brentwood has a different border than does the "Brentwood, NY" postal zone. Hence, places, such as part of the Hamlet of Dix Hills in the Town of Huntington, can have a "Brentwood, NY" mailing address and not be in Brentwood and places in Brentwood may have other than a "Brentwood, NY" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2003 or earlier editions of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Brentwood in the Town of Islip, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 20 (map) and 21 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

On 5/11/04 (9:47:37 AM MDT), in a posting to NYSUFFOL-L@rootsweb.com, Angelique (amckeag@blueyonder.co.uk) asked, "I have found the death certificate of my gg grandfather John McDermott who passed away on 5 March 1924 in Northport, Suffolk County, NY . How would I go about discovering whether he left a will when he died? If he did not leave a will, would there still be some kind of file of his death besides his actual death certificate? I know that he left a widow and several children. I do not know if they owned their own home at the time. I was hoping that a will might provide a bit more of a picture of their family life." For the will, you might want to contact the County Clerk's office: County Clerk's Office Suffolk County 310 Center Drive Riverhead, NY 11901-3392 Tel: 631/852-2001 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: edward.romaine@co.suffolk.ny.us http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/webtemp2.cfm?dept=33&id=2041 For a picture of family life, a possible obituary, etc., etc., you may want to contact the Northport-East Northport Public Library (the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Northport-East Northport Public Library 151 Laurel Avenue Northport, NY 11768 Tel: 631/261-6930 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: nenpl@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://www.nenpl.org/ The pertinent geography: Northport is a village (incorporated in 1894) in the northeast part of the Town of Huntington, in the northwest part of Suffolk County. There are 4 villages and 15 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Huntington. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Northport in the Town of Huntington is bordered on the north by the Village of Asharoken and the Hamlet of Fort Salonga; on the east by the Hamlet of Fort Salonga; on the south by the Hamlet of East Northport; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Centerport and Huntington Harbor. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the village and the postal zone that use the same name, have much different borders: There are many places with a "Northport, NY" mailing address that are not in the Village of Northport (most of these places are in the Hamlet of East Northport). For those who have their copy of the 2003 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Northport (incorporated in 1894) in the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 16 (map) and 17 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Thank you Cadia! Yes, Stony Brook was the museum...I never would have remembered that! Someone did find them in the 1890 Directory...that's where John J. Murphy is listed as "carriage builder" and his son Thomas is listed as either painter or blacksmith. He is listed in 1893 as a blacksmith on his daughter's birth certificate. On his death certificate in 1899 he is listed as a painter. Thomas had four children and three of them died before he did. My grandmother was the only surviving child. Her mother remarried but had no more children. I too live pretty far from NY now. I was born there but I live in California since 1972 or 73. Thanks for your help. Joanie Cadia Los wrote: >Hello, Joanie ... > >Possibly you mean the Stony Brook Carriage Museum? The following link provides >a list of all museums in New York State: > >http://www.worldartantiques.com/NewYork.html > >As for locating your carriage builders, I suggest consulting 1890s city >directories for Long Island City, available at many libraries. If you are not >in the area, perhaps someone could do a lookup for you. (I'm 3000 miles away!) > >You might also try a name or keyword search in the Brooklyn Eagle, which is >online up to 1902. I found a number of citations for my great-grandfather in >the Eagle, even though he lived and worked in Nassau County. > >Your own library's business section may have business directories that provide >information on now-defunct companies throughout the U.S. > >~~Cadia > > > >==== NY-LONGISLAND Mailing List ==== >Karima, List Administrator mailto:NY-LONGISLAND-admin@rootsweb.com >List Guidelines: http://home.insightbb.com/~karima/LongIslandWelcome.html > > > >