Great family history research story, Pauline. It so shows the trials and tribulations of looking for the records of our ancestors. I know you probably already did this, but I am wondering if you looked at any NYC births filmed by the Family History Library. It is a two step process. First the index film by year, then if found in the index, you will get the volume and page number in the records and you need the film for the records. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nynewyo2/VitalRecords.htm#LDS This site give all available Family History Film numbers. > Tillie's father was an iceman. The day the census was conducted was > June 1, 1905. Adele was in the fourth grade. Tillie lived in > another area of Brooklyn. This is the same Adele who was born in > Brooklyn, but there is no birth certificate for her. She was born in > September 1894. The New York City Archives have no record of her > birth. Requests have been sent by different people over the years. > Nothing found for 1894, 1893 or 1895. There is no baptismal record > in any of the Roman Catholic Churches in the area of Red Hook or > surrounding areas. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com