Hi Janet, and all, These two lists are invaluable for researching NYC Municipal Archives records. I recommend printing each one for easy reference. #1) NYC Municipal Archives "Holdings" http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/archives/holdings.shtml #2) NYC Municipal Archives "Collections" [Click on titles] http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/archives/collections.shtml Death *certificate* format began for New York and Kings Counties about 1866. Prior to 1866, births, marriages and deaths (BMD) are recorded as one meaty line of handwritten text, in ledgers, that are searchable on microfilm. Please note: Some early films are missing, too damaged to view, or have illegible handwriting. Searching early films is more time consuming than searching for certificates, even if one has to view index films as well as certificate films. Please remember: 1898 was the year that New York City consolidated the counties of New York, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island and the Bronx. BMDs for *early* (pre-1898) Queens and (pre-1866) Kings Counties may be filed my neighborhoods, as was Whitestone, Queens and Flatbush, Brooklyn. Questions? Please contact me offlist. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: janjans via < To: NYBROOKLYN <NYBROOKLYN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, May 13, 2016 4:14 pm Subject: [BKLYN] Death Record Help I have a death obit in the New York Tribune Oct 1862 and sent for the record at the Municipal Archives and got a not found letter. I gave the name, date of death. parents names and place of death. Since they did not find the record where might find it. I do not know the cemetery or church. I think the family was Catholic and may have attended Holy Cross Church but they have no record of the burial. I am really stumped on this. The name was Ann Elizabeth Connor, died Oct 5, 1862 in Flatbush, parents James and Elizabeth Connor, age 4. Janet KINGS DEATH, 5 Oct 1862, Ann Elizabeth O'CONNOR

Dear Friends, Please pray for Sean tomorrow at 3pm eastern. Sunday was an example of three baby steps forward, then one back. Barb

It's important to remember that these are sacramental records--which means baptism and marriage.  Death is not a sacrament so no records were usually kept tho some parishes kept records for a few years or decades so it's always worth checking.  I did find the death records for one set of my gt gt gt grandparents in Co Westmeath and that was pretty exciting.             Virginia From: Sheila MacAvoy Block via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> To: Pat Lewis <carmodyp@icloud.com>; ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Irish sacramental records Pat, I guess I am lucky. My 8 Irish great grandparents and my children's grandparents all came from Ireland. My ancestors bet 1849 and 1855 and my children's paternal grandparents bet 1900 and 1914. I have found many of their birth/marriage records on this site. I even have my great grandmother's death record in Aughrim Parish, Galway, in 1892. Pretty rare to find a death record. Sheila On 5/15/2016 5:12 PM, Pat Lewis wrote: > THE PROBLEM IS I ONLY KNOW ONE  CHURCH IN CORK, THAT I GOT MY ONE PAIR OF GRANDPARENTS BIRTH AND MARRIAGE ,AND NO IDEA OF THEIR DEATHS. > On May 14, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Sheila MacAvoy Block via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'M NOT SHELIA! On May 14, 2016, at 6:42 PM, Ted Duke via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Shelia, > > > Thanks, just found the baptismal record for my wife's great-great > grandmother, which verified her parents names. > > > Ted > > > On 5/14/2016 9:47 AM, Sheila MacAvoy Block via wrote: >> The National Library of Ireland has put up parish records for free at >> >> http://registers.nli.ie/ >> >> I have studied this for hours and find that, while not totally all >> inclusive of the records that are available on film, it is a pretty >> comprehensive collection. These are the actual digital copies of >> records, not transcribed. Thus, they take more time to read, but are >> more accurate. There are aids on the site such as magnification >> techniques and date sorts to aid your search. I have found this site to >> be a treasure. >> >> Sheila >> In California >> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

THE PROBLEM IS I ONLY KNOW ONE CHURCH IN CORK, THAT I GOT MY ONE PAIR OF GRANDPARENTS BIRTH AND MARRIAGE ,AND NO IDEA OF THEIR DEATHS. On May 14, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Sheila MacAvoy Block via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The National Library of Ireland has put up parish records for free at > > http://registers.nli.ie/ > > I have studied this for hours and find that, while not totally all > inclusive of the records that are available on film, it is a pretty > comprehensive collection. These are the actual digital copies of > records, not transcribed. Thus, they take more time to read, but are > more accurate. There are aids on the site such as magnification > techniques and date sorts to aid your search. I have found this site to > be a treasure. > > Sheila > In California > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, I guess I am lucky. My 8 Irish great grandparents and my children's grandparents all came from Ireland. My ancestors bet 1849 and 1855 and my children's paternal grandparents bet 1900 and 1914. I have found many of their birth/marriage records on this site. I even have my great grandmother's death record in Aughrim Parish, Galway, in 1892. Pretty rare to find a death record. Sheila On 5/15/2016 5:12 PM, Pat Lewis wrote: > THE PROBLEM IS I ONLY KNOW ONE CHURCH IN CORK, THAT I GOT MY ONE PAIR OF GRANDPARENTS BIRTH AND MARRIAGE ,AND NO IDEA OF THEIR DEATHS. > On May 14, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Sheila MacAvoy Block via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >

In Tony McCarthy's book about sleuthing down your Irish ancestors, he recommends searching RC and COI records, especially during the Irish Holocaust era. Then, if a RC "took the soup" during the famine era, they may have been considered COI. Also RC folks visibly converted to COI to receive food. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Presnall via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> NOTE this is Catholic registers and a bit tricky to find your way around in that the maps to guide you do not list where specific towns are. SO using this site takes a LOT of perseverance and patience. Suggest to use it you keep 2 windows of the site open at one time. Thanks for this useful tool for Catholics Sheila--too bad most my guys are COI :-( Joyce On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Sheila MacAvoy Block via < ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The National Library of Ireland has put up parish records for free at > > http://registers.nli.ie/ > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> In Tony McCarthy's book about sleuthing down your Irish ancestors, > he recommends searching RC and COI records, especially during > the Irish Holocaust era. > > > Then, if a RC "took the soup" during the famine era, they may have been > considered COI. Also RC folks visibly converted to COI to receive food. > > I remember, on one of my trips to Ireland, I was staying in a home with a couple and their children, just outside of Doon, in County Limerick. They rented out a room to people like me who wanted to stay in the area since there were not hotels there. Anyhow, the man of the house was really nice and took me to places I never would have known about without him. On our outings, he would talk me ear off and we went by someone on the road and he told me that his family ate soup at the local Church of Ireland church during the Famine. I really had never heard about it and he said that people are still holding grudges and a group in the RC Church were trying to get them to forgive. In case any didn't know what Barb was referring to by 'took the soup', now you do. A sad time for Ireland. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

Shelia, Thanks, just found the baptismal record for my wife's great-great grandmother, which verified her parents names. Ted On 5/14/2016 9:47 AM, Sheila MacAvoy Block via wrote: > The National Library of Ireland has put up parish records for free at > > http://registers.nli.ie/ > > I have studied this for hours and find that, while not totally all > inclusive of the records that are available on film, it is a pretty > comprehensive collection. These are the actual digital copies of > records, not transcribed. Thus, they take more time to read, but are > more accurate. There are aids on the site such as magnification > techniques and date sorts to aid your search. I have found this site to > be a treasure. > > Sheila > In California > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Barb. Terry -----Original Message----- Subject: [NY-IRISH] Sean Updat3e Dear Friends, Sean's horrific car accident was a week ago yesterday, and he continues to take baby steps toward recovery. Med staff reduced the meds for his induced coma, to prevent hallucinations. Now he's having minuscule reactions to voices around him and running a fever. These are normal for the type of injuries that he sustained. Yes, he's still in critical care. To answer a question: Yes the accident was on the news in CA, where a machine extracted him from his car. It's too painful for Grandma to watch. Thanks again to all of your heartfelt prayers. Please, keep 'em going! Barb

Dear Friends, Sean's horrific car accident was a week ago yesterday, and he continues to take baby steps toward recovery. Med staff reduced the meds for his induced coma, to prevent hallucinations. Now he's having minuscule reactions to voices around him and running a fever. These are normal for the type of injuries that he sustained. Yes, he's still in critical care. To answer a question: Yes the accident was on the news in CA, where a machine extracted him from his car. It's too painful for Grandma to watch. Thanks again to all of your heartfelt prayers. Please, keep 'em going! Barb Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

NOTE this is Catholic registers and a bit tricky to find your way around in that the maps to guide you do not list where specific towns are. SO using this site takes a LOT of perseverance and patience. Suggest to use it you keep 2 windows of the site open at one time. Thanks for this useful tool for Catholics Sheila--too bad most my guys are COI :-( Joyce On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Sheila MacAvoy Block via < ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The National Library of Ireland has put up parish records for free at > > http://registers.nli.ie/ > >

The National Library of Ireland has put up parish records for free at http://registers.nli.ie/ I have studied this for hours and find that, while not totally all inclusive of the records that are available on film, it is a pretty comprehensive collection. These are the actual digital copies of records, not transcribed. Thus, they take more time to read, but are more accurate. There are aids on the site such as magnification techniques and date sorts to aid your search. I have found this site to be a treasure. Sheila In California

Apologies to all. My post below was in reply to a post by Alannal.  It was NOT in reply to Joyce Presnall's most helpful post.  I'm sorry for the confusion.              Virginia   I find your comments about priests unsubstantiated and offensive. Most Catholic parish registers were microfilmed decades ago and have now been digitized and are free online up to about 1880.  After that, civil records are available for another few decades.  Later church and civil records are not online for privacy reasons tho you can obtain them thru the processes described by the government for civil records or individual parishes for church records. Many--most?--people could not afford headstones.  Very old headstones crumble or break and sink into the soil. Or the inscription is unreadable after so many years. It's not the least surprising you can't find old headstone information. Many priests were true Irish heroes and I hope you will read Irish history to learn more.      Virginia       From: alannal via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com>   Just remember that there are probably stil the priests who keep a tight fist around their parish records.  Maybe they want the money that might come from allowing the records to be seen as there would be no money if the records were totally released. In Balnacalley [sp?] the headstone information from the graveyard was put on line, but my kin except for a couple of current burials who should have been buried there over 200 years have no headstones -- lack of money to hand to the priest?  

I find your comments about priests unsubstantiated and offensive. Most Catholic parish registers were microfilmed decades ago and have now been digitized and are free online up to about 1880.  After that, civil records are available for another few decades.  Later church and civil records are not online for privacy reasons tho you can obtain them thru the processes described by the government for civil records or individual parishes for church records. Many--most?--people could not afford headstones.  Very old headstones crumble or break and sink into the soil. Or the inscription is unreadable after so many years. It's not the least surprising you can't find old headstone information. Many priests were true Irish heroes and I hope you will read Irish history to learn more.      Virginia From: alannal via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> To: Joyce Presnall <wldgrdnr@gmail.com>; "ny-irish@rootsweb.com" <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] I got to the bottom of or MORE issue re IRE records here is info re records indexed Just remember that there are probably stil the priests who keep a tight fist around their parish records.  Maybe they want the money that might come from allowing the records to be seen as there would be no money if the records were totally released. In Balnacalley [sp?] the headstone information from the graveyard was put on line, but my kin except for a couple of current burials who should have been buried there over 200 years have no headstones -- lack of money to hand to the priest?

I do wish the best for that fellow. Sounds as if he will have a long recovery time. Mine was not so bad, but still it took so long and the surgeon said I came back the fastest, but I still have episodes years later. Please watch over him very carefully!! I was told by medical professionals that I'd never come back which did make me fight more. Maybe they did not want me to expect too much. But what you should watch for is something that happened to me. I had been very active, but seated in my wheelchair my working German Shepherds would come up to me to try to get me to again do things. I would get so sad that without my mother knowing, I'd cry. So please watch for that behind the scenes sadnesses. If I don't speak on this subject again, my thoughts and prayers are there for him. If you get tired, he cannot as he has to deal with it constantly. Prayers and best wishes to him, the others and to his family. Bye. > On May 9, 2016, at 9:50 AM, mizscarlettny via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Please excuse this off-topic post. > > > > > If anyone is expecting to hear from me, I inadvertently moved all incoming and outgoing > mail into "Old Mail." So now I have thousands of emails in one folder to be sorted. > > Please bear with me until I get this mess untangled. > > > > > Barb > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just remember that there are probably stil the priests who keep a tight fist around their parish records. Maybe they want the money that might come from allowing the records to be seen as there would be no money if the records were totally released. In Balnacalley [sp?] the headstone information from the graveyard was put on line, but my kin except for a couple of current burials who should have been buried there over 200 years have no headstones -- lack of money to hand to the priest? > On May 12, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Joyce Presnall via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/parishes.jsp > > The following files outline the current areas for which records are > available on this web site and the dates covered in each case. > > Carlow(COI) > <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Carlow%20%28COI%29.pdf> > > Cork & Ross (RC) > <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Cork%20&%20Ross%20%28RC%29.pdf> > > Dublin(COI) > <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Dublin%20%28COI%29.pdf>Dublin > (PRESBY.) > <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Dublin%20%28PRESBY.%29.pdf> > Dublin(RC) > <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Dublin%20%28RC%29.pdf> > > Kerry(COI) > <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Kerry%20%28COI%29.pdf> > Kerry(RC) > <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Kerry%20%28RC%29.pdf> > > > When I looked at the PDF and the associated lists above they have not even > made a DENT in getting records transcribed and a friend of mine found on > the site that they are looking for volunteers for help although I did not > see where she found that. > > I don't know if help from the US would be possible but it sure would NOT > hurt to see. I imagine even a few hours a week by dedicated folks would > help! > > MANY of us NEED these records so if people have time to donate and it is > possible for ppl from the US to help...it seems to me that instead of > stumbling around in the dark we MIGHT be able to help these folks get some > of this done. > > Perhaps if we could spread the word to everyone we know perhaps we could > all help with that! If we spread the word far enough, we might finally be > able to get to the records that we need! > > Wouldn't it be "grand" to use a favorite Irish saying in historical novels > if we in the USA could help get all this stuff on line? > > Instead of complaining all the time about lack of records WE COULD be part > of the solution! > > I don't know if it could be done across the "POND" but if we could and we > could find enough people to help we might finally get some answers. > > See the link above to be able to see just how little has been accomplished > to date. > > I will try to contact them to see if some help from the USA would be even > possible. > > > Joyce > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, > Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, > Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, > Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, > Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, > Norton, Gerard, and many more... > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/parishes.jsp The following files outline the current areas for which records are available on this web site and the dates covered in each case. Carlow(COI) <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Carlow%20%28COI%29.pdf> Cork & Ross (RC) <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Cork%20&%20Ross%20%28RC%29.pdf> Dublin(COI) <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Dublin%20%28COI%29.pdf>Dublin (PRESBY.) <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Dublin%20%28PRESBY.%29.pdf> Dublin(RC) <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Dublin%20%28RC%29.pdf> Kerry(COI) <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Kerry%20%28COI%29.pdf> Kerry(RC) <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/parishes/Kerry%20%28RC%29.pdf> When I looked at the PDF and the associated lists above they have not even made a DENT in getting records transcribed and a friend of mine found on the site that they are looking for volunteers for help although I did not see where she found that. I don't know if help from the US would be possible but it sure would NOT hurt to see. I imagine even a few hours a week by dedicated folks would help! MANY of us NEED these records so if people have time to donate and it is possible for ppl from the US to help...it seems to me that instead of stumbling around in the dark we MIGHT be able to help these folks get some of this done. Perhaps if we could spread the word to everyone we know perhaps we could all help with that! If we spread the word far enough, we might finally be able to get to the records that we need! Wouldn't it be "grand" to use a favorite Irish saying in historical novels if we in the USA could help get all this stuff on line? Instead of complaining all the time about lack of records WE COULD be part of the solution! I don't know if it could be done across the "POND" but if we could and we could find enough people to help we might finally get some answers. See the link above to be able to see just how little has been accomplished to date. I will try to contact them to see if some help from the USA would be even possible. Joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

PLEASE share with any other IRE lists you know of-I am only sending to THIS list Be sure to read the KEY at the top of the page to help you figure this one out--many records destroyed in fire of 1922 but many were not. This PDF list shows you where existing are held and the years that they have. Very few have been transcribed and since I have not seen anything added in 4 years, I wrote the RCBL (Representative Church Body Library) yesterday to ask when they expect this project to be finished. Here is the link for transcriptions that have been done and are online--there is other info on this site too so check it out http://ireland.anglican.org/about/168 HERE IS THE LINK FOR ALL OF IRELAND (COI ONLY) --BUT they are organized by Parish name not by County which makes searching them a bit difficult. While a CTRL + F search will highlight for you the highlight is a light gray that is difficult to see :-( I DO hope this helps folks---nothing worse than spending years searching for something that does not exist :-( http://ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegistersTable.pdf Have a great day Joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

THANKS FOR THE GOOD NEWS, I HOPE HE CONTINUES IN GETTING BETTER! On May 10, 2016, at 1:00 PM, mizscarlettny via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > Sean survived another two nights, thanks to you and your heartfelt kindness. > > Grandma is visiting him today and is grateful to all of you. > More to come later tonight. > > > "Pray for the dead, and fight like hell for the living." > Mother Jones [Mary Harris] > County Cork native, Irish Holocaust survivor, American union organizer > BIO > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Harris_Jones > > > > > > > > Barb in NY > > > > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message