Yes, Virginia, I have found a dead person in census records...more than once. Most recently in the US Mortality Schedules. Afterwards, I searched the NY County Death Index, then NY County Death Certificate microfilms at NYC Muni Archives. I could not find a DC for Thomas KEYES in IGG/GGG. The same search method can be performed for your Julia SHEEHAN. Note: Read the fine print atop the census form. Directions say to include anyone who died from June 1, 1879 to Mary 31, 1880. Try it on ANCESTRY: Enter >Thomas KEYES, born Ireland, died 1879 Manhattan, NYC. You'll have the option of >>>> U.S. Federal Census Mortality Schedules, 1850-1885 Death details are stated in this census. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: VLB via <vlbcfb@yahoo.com Has anyone ever found a dead person in the census? I have a Julia Sheehan, age 11, in Brooklyn in the 1870 census. Parents William and Ann, my gt gt grandparents. This appearance is the only record of her existence...They had a family grave at Calvary and she is not in it. Can't find a death record tho except for a Julia Sheehan, born to William and Ann, in Manhattan on 13 July 1861. That Julia died 2 August 1861. This could be another family with same names. My Sheehans were in Manhattan and moved to Brooklyn abt 1867-68 where they had more children.I do have other gt gt grandparents who reported all five of their children in Manhattan in the 1850 census tho four were still in Ireland--came in 1851--so this idea is not totally unknown.So has anyone found a dead person in any census? Thanks--Virginia

Has anyone ever found a dead person in the census?  I have a Julia Sheehan, age 11, in Brooklyn in the 1870 census. Parents William and Ann, my gt gt grandparents.  This appearance is the only record of her existence and, after years of research, I am wondering if her parents included her as a child tho she was already dead. They had a family grave at Calvary and she is not in it.  She never appears in another census, US or NY.  Can't find a death record tho except for a Julia Sheehan, born to William and Ann, in Manhattan on 13 July 1861.  That Julia died 2 August 1861.  This could be another family with same names.  My Sheehans were in Manhattan and moved to Brooklyn abt 1867-68 where they had more children. I do have other gt gt grandparents who reported all five of their children in Manhattan in the 1850 census tho four were still in Ireland--came in 1851--so this idea is not totally unknown. So has anyone found a dead person in any census?          Thanks--Virginia

Virginia, On my Fitzgerald side there were two daughters named Irene. The first one died before the second one was born. Jerry > On May 23, 2016, at 11:31 AM, VLB via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Has anyone ever found a dead person in the census? I have a Julia Sheehan, age 11, in Brooklyn in the 1870 census. Parents William and Ann, my gt gt grandparents. This appearance is the only record of her existence and, after years of research, I am wondering if her parents included her as a child tho she was already dead. > They had a family grave at Calvary and she is not in it. She never appears in another census, US or NY. Can't find a death record tho except for a Julia Sheehan, born to William and Ann, in Manhattan on 13 July 1861. That Julia died 2 August 1861. This could be another family with same names. My Sheehans were in Manhattan and moved to Brooklyn abt 1867-68 where they had more children. > I do have other gt gt grandparents who reported all five of their children in Manhattan in the 1850 census tho four were still in Ireland--came in 1851--so this idea is not totally unknown. > So has anyone found a dead person in any census? Thanks--Virginia > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have not ever found a dead person in the census. Could someone else in the family have been recorded as Julia? What other children did the family have, and are they all represented in the 1870 census? One of my biggest confusions was a totally unexpected additional daughter in my g-g-grandparents' family on the 1900 census. BUT, my great-grandmother was missing from the family. Eventually I figured out that she had been enumerated under her first name (little did I, or even her sons, know that the name she went by her whole life was her middle name) AND the enumerator had added a decade to her age (recorded as 13 instead of 3). I looked at a record for a 13-year-old named Anna and it never occurred to me that she was actually a 3-year-old I knew as Molly. Or, since relationship to the head of household isn't recorded in 1870 (I think), could she have been someone else entirely (cousin, friend, boarder, hired help) who was accidentally given the last name of the rest of the family? I've seen that happen at times. Are there any other Julias at all who show up in Sheehan research? On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:31 AM, VLB via <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Has anyone ever found a dead person in the census? I have a Julia > Sheehan, age 11, in Brooklyn in the 1870 census. Parents William and Ann, > my gt gt grandparents. This appearance is the only record of her existence > and, after years of research, I am wondering if her parents included her as > a child tho she was already dead. > They had a family grave at Calvary and she is not in it. She never > appears in another census, US or NY. Can't find a death record tho except > for a Julia Sheehan, born to William and Ann, in Manhattan on 13 July > 1861. That Julia died 2 August 1861. This could be another family with > same names. My Sheehans were in Manhattan and moved to Brooklyn abt > 1867-68 where they had more children. > I do have other gt gt grandparents who reported all five of their children > in Manhattan in the 1850 census tho four were still in Ireland--came in > 1851--so this idea is not totally unknown. > So has anyone found a dead person in any census? Thanks--Virginia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From the Genealogy In Time Magazine online: http://www.genealogyintime.com/ Canada – FamilySearch.org has created a new browsable image collection of Saint John, New Brunswick burial permits dating from 1889 to 1919. There are roughly 14,000 images in this new collection and each image typically lists four permits. Thus, this collection covers roughly 50,000 burials. The images are organized by date. A typical burial record in this collection (see image below) lists the name of the deceased, date of death, gender, marital status, spouse’s name (if married), color, age, residence, occupation, place of death, place of birth, name of father, birthplace of father, place of internment and cause of death. Access is free. https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/2250090/waypoints Canada – The website BritishColonist.ca has increased their online collection of historic newspapers from Victoria, British Columbia. The collection now spans the years from 1858 to 1950 (the original release only went to 1910) and includes the British Colonist, the Daily British Colonist and the Daily Colonist. These are all essentially the same newspaper that has changed names over the years. It is still published today in Victoria as the Times Colonist. The most recent addition to the online archive (1941 to 1950) covered some 67,000 pages. Dave Obee, a well-known Canadian genealogist, is the current editor-in-chief of the Times Colonist. The Times Colonist is the oldest newspaper in Western Canada. It is a wealth of information for anyone researching Victoria, Vancouver Island and the surrounding areas. The database can be searched by keyword. Access is free. http://www.britishcolonist.ca/index.html -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

A complete set of these NYS DOH BMDs are available at: ALBANY. New York State Archives, Cultural Education Center, Empire State Plaza, Albany 12230. No appointment is needed to use the indexes. Researchers must produce identification, sign a registration form, and comply with the rules of the research room. Several microfiche readers are available for use; however, researchers will be limited to one hour's use of a microfiche reader, if other persons are waiting to use the readers. BINGHAMTON. Broome County Public Library (link is external) —185 Court Street, Binghamton, NY 13901; telephone (607) 778-6400. BUFFALO. Buffalo & Erie County Public Library (link is external) , Grosvenor Room, 1 Lafayette Square, Buffalo, NY 14203; telephone (716) 858-8900. ELMIRA. Steele Memorial Library (link is external) —101 East Church Street, Elmira, NY 14901; telephone (607) 733-8603. GLENS FALLS. Crandall Public Library (link is external) , Center for Folklife, History & Cultural Programs—251 Glen Street, Glens Falls, NY 12801; telephone (518) 792-6508. NEW YORK CITY. National Archives at New York City (link is external) , One Bowling Green, New York, NY 10004; telephone (212) 401-1620, emailnewyork.archives@nara.gov (link sends e-mail) . PATCHOGUE. Patchogue-Medford Library (link is external) —54 E. Main Street, Patchogue, NY 11772; telephone (631) 654-4700. ROCHESTER. Rochester Public Library (link is external) --115 South Avenue, Rochester, NY 14604; telephone (585) 428-8440. SYRACUSE. Onondaga County Public Library (link is external) , 447 South Salina Street, Syracuse, NY 13202; telephone (315) 435-1900. UTICA. Utica Public Library (link is external) —303 Genesee Street, Utica, NY 13501; telephone (315) 735-2279. WATERTOWN. Flower Memorial Library (link is external) —229 Washington Street, Watertown, NY 13601; telephone (315) 785-7705. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: mizscarlettny via <nynassau@rootsweb.com> New York STATE...Vitals "Indexes" on microfiche [Repository= Albany NY] Births (1881-1933) Marriages (1881-1958) Deaths (1880-1958) EXcludes: Cities of Albany, Rochester & Yonkers Counties of: New York, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens & Staten Island [aka New York CITY] NOTE: Nassau & Suffolk Counties are part of NY STATE indexing. An index search will provide you with: Name, Date of Event, Location of Event, Certificate Number FREE Look Ups: RAOGK> Elaina LaGreca> elainelagreca@optonline.net . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNASSAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

New York STATE...Vitals "Indexes" on microfiche [Repository= Albany NY] Births (1881-1933) Marriages (1881-1958) Deaths (1880-1958) EXcludes: Cities of Albany, Rochester & Yonkers Counties of: New York, Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens & Staten Island [aka New York CITY] NOTE: Nassau & Suffolk Counties are part of NY STATE indexing. An index search will provide you with: Name, Date of Event, Location of Event, Certificate Number FREE Look Ups: RAOGK> Elaina LaGreca> elainelagreca@optonline.net .

PERHAPS THISS NOT MEANT FOR ME…I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT PERTAINS TO…. On May 19, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Joyce Presnall via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Pat I KNOW how to do it I just forget as the EXTRA stuff is not readily > visible in gmail as it was when I was on AOL for lists--BUT I started not > getting a lot of my list emails with AOL so switched to gmail-*which I only > use for the lists...* > > I try to remember but often forget since I cannot see everything I am > semding Sorry > > Joyce > > On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> wrote: > >> 1. you click on Reply >> >> > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Although this is a list of today's diagnoses for mental health, it may be of interest to those who've found institutionalized ancestors whose conditions were exacerbated by alcoholism, poverty, adapting to a new country, or witnessing a traumatic event. Science has come a long way since 1900! http://www.hfs.illinois.gov/assets/100108drg.pdf Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

Pat I KNOW how to do it I just forget as the EXTRA stuff is not readily visible in gmail as it was when I was on AOL for lists--BUT I started not getting a lot of my list emails with AOL so switched to gmail-*which I only use for the lists...* I try to remember but often forget since I cannot see everything I am semding Sorry Joyce On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> wrote: > 1. you click on Reply > >

Joyce from one native New Yorker to another "Well Said"! Amen and let's get back to the search!

1. you click on Reply 2. on reply form, before you enter your reply, click on left button with arrow going leftward 3. click on 'edit subject' which then gives you the whole repeated message plus the subject 4. delete all data in the repeated message that has nothing to do with your reply 5. change subject if needed 6. put in your message and send Sorry l I forget to edit out all the thread etc I hate gmail for that! > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

I finally got a reponse from RC re when they expect to get the rest of records on line--which they never did answer BUT they send me a link you might be interested in at the bottom of the following response: Unfortunately the process of digitizing registers and making them available online is very expensive. To film one volume costs in the region of €300. We are working on a project to actively seek funding to complete the work of digitization but are competing with many other repositories and interest groups. In the interim we have endeavoured to make our resources available online in a monthly online exhibition area called Archive of the Month. You can view the current exhibit and also link to all past ones via the link below. Next month we will feature transcripts of surviving registers from Killinane union in county Galway. Kind regards, Susan Hood Dr Susan Hood Church of Ireland RCB Library Website http://www.library.ireland.anglican.org/ *View our latest ARCHIVE of the MONTH: Reporting the Rising: A Church of Ireland perspective* *http://ireland.anglican.org/about/128 <http://ireland.anglican.org/about/128> * On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 7:05 PM, Joyce Presnall <wldgrdnr@gmail.com> wrote: > > ... > Sorry l I forget to edit out all the thread etc I hate gmail for that! > >

Today, Sean is battling a lung infection, so the number of vistors is restricted now. He remains in intensive care as his pain medication is gradually decreased. Sean's Grandma, our most generous Pat Connors, appreciates everyone's prayers, good vibes and extensive wishes. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Irene R Salazar <irenersalazar@comcast.net> Still praying even when not posting.

Sorry l I forget to edit out all the thread etc I hate gmail for that! In addition when I say I have not have luck with churches I have tried to get records from MANY denominations--even outside of NYC ---if you email them MOST don't even reply. They probably consider us a nuisance especially when you are dealing with NYC and metropolitan areas. Many folks have not been to NYC and the surrounding counties BUT I grew up on Long Island and know NYC a bit too having grown up not far from there. There are TONS of people living there and TONS more who's ancestors lived there at one time or another. You will have better luck in smaller towns to be sure. NYC and the "surrounding metropolitan areas" have TONS of people and cannot possibly cater to genealogy researchers due to sheer volume. Don't expect much help when it comes to just about anything---not even the library. These folks are just too busy with everyday things and they really could care less about our "urgent genealogical needs". If you have never been to NYC or the counties surrounding it, you cannot possibly imagine the scope of them doing research for anyone who contacts them. Be grateful that many cemeteries put info on line and if you call them they will give you even more. MOST cemeteries can give you the DOD and a lot of other info. Rule of thumb I use if they only have burial date is that the person died 3 days prior. That is pretty typical. Joyce On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Joyce Presnall <wldgrdnr@gmail.com> wrote: > What folks need to remember is that the churches function is to run the > church--NOT to do genealogical research. > > I have run into issues with every church I have encountered save one. I > ALWAYS offer to make a sizable contribution to them for assistance (and NOT > just a measly $10-$20) BUT the Catholic Churches are a problem--most want > an arm and a leg for info re burials. While I have issues with that, I > cannot do anything about it but accept it and move on. > > I just go around them and try to find info another way... > > It is not our "right" to have churches digging through all their records > looking for our ancestors. > > That is why it is important to do Find a Grave entries for your folks if > you find them. > > Don't depend on churches and cemeteries to give you info. They are running > a business--not a charity. Be grateful when a cemetery gives you info for > free--and express your gratitude to them. They do not have to do it! > > Genealogy is not a cheap hobby--- > > Folks need to face that fact. We are lucky to get a lot of info for free > but we cannot expect businesses to spend THEIR money to make us happy. > > Joyce > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Michael via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> I have encountered a few priests in NY and in Ireland who felt that the >> parish registers were the churches (their) private property and felt no >> obligation to relinquish any info on YOUR/OUR family’s sacraments, and had >> no motivation to accommodate research requests. I’ve heard it right from a >> priest. I see nothing offensive about stating that some priests feel this >> way. >> >>

What folks need to remember is that the churches function is to run the church--NOT to do genealogical research. I have run into issues with every church I have encountered save one. I ALWAYS offer to make a sizable contribution to them for assistance (and NOT just a measly $10-$20) BUT the Catholic Churches are a problem--most want an arm and a leg for info re burials. While I have issues with that, I cannot do anything about it but accept it and move on. I just go around them and try to find info another way... It is not our "right" to have churches digging through all their records looking for our ancestors. That is why it is important to do Find a Grave entries for your folks if you find them. Don't depend on churches and cemeteries to give you info. They are running a business--not a charity. Be grateful when a cemetery gives you info for free--and express your gratitude to them. They do not have to do it! Genealogy is not a cheap hobby--- Folks need to face that fact. We are lucky to get a lot of info for free but we cannot expect businesses to spend THEIR money to make us happy. Joyce On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Michael via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have encountered a few priests in NY and in Ireland who felt that the > parish registers were the churches (their) private property and felt no > obligation to relinquish any info on YOUR/OUR family’s sacraments, and had > no motivation to accommodate research requests. I’ve heard it right from a > priest. I see nothing offensive about stating that some priests feel this > way. > > And I have most definitely encountered a selective release of information > based on the priests discretion if the sacramental dates did not quite add > up if you know what I mean, after re-requesting records with a new priests > in the rectory. > > > From: alannal via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> > > Just remember that there are probably stil the priests who keep a tight > fist around their parish records. Maybe they want the money that might > come from allowing the records to be seen as there would be no money if the > records were totally released. > > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

It's back! " Genealogy Roadshow" (sponsored by Ancestry) It's on PBS, that's 13 in metro NYC Here's the schedule>>> May 17th 8pm...Albuquerque Old Airport Terminal May 24th 8pm...Miami History Museum May 31st 8pm...Huston Downtown Public Library June 14th 8pm...Boston Faneuil Hall June 21st 8pm...Providence Public Library June 28th 8pm...Los Angeles Union Station Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

This is a very good suggestion. Thanks, Kathy. Terry -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ancestree via Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 4:13 PM To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: [NY-IRISH] Irish sacramental records If you do use the NLI site to search the Irish Parish Registers and you don’t find what you’re looking for I recommend going through them page by page. There are pages that just don’t come up in a search. I read through every page and found things I couldn’t find using the search feature. Kathy

If you do use the NLI site to search the Irish Parish Registers and you don’t find what you’re looking for I recommend going through them page by page. There are pages that just don’t come up in a search. I read through every page and found things I couldn’t find using the search feature. Kathy

I have encountered a few priests in NY and in Ireland who felt that the parish registers were the churches (their) private property and felt no obligation to relinquish any info on YOUR/OUR family’s sacraments, and had no motivation to accommodate research requests. I’ve heard it right from a priest. I see nothing offensive about stating that some priests feel this way. And I have most definitely encountered a selective release of information based on the priests discretion if the sacramental dates did not quite add up if you know what I mean, after re-requesting records with a new priests in the rectory.       From: alannal via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com>   Just remember that there are probably stil the priests who keep a tight fist around their parish records.  Maybe they want the money that might come from allowing the records to be seen as there would be no money if the records were totally released.   ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message