I have just added the tithes for Ballintober civil parish to the County Mayo section of my website. Included within the tithes were two old maps of the townland hand drawn in 1834. There is a link to the maps on the Ballintober (called Ballintubber in the tithes) tithes webpage. There are two maps on the map page, but when you click on the map page it looks like there is only one, so scroll down to see the 2nd map, it is neat. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

A poignant piece indeed...makes you feel as though you were right there beside the census taker. The picture of the woman embodies so many wonderful qualities of the poor immigrant women who could read and/or write very little (English, at least). If the family had moved around a lot how could she be expected to know the names of the different states in this enormous land to which they had immigrated? How could she remember which year they arrived? Even though she was tired and no longer young, her children were well cared for. Her house was taken care of, bread was baking for supper. She was hospitable to this stranger, though she had nothing but water to offer. She took pride in her husband and children, still mourning the wee ones who had died, anticipating the birth of the next. At her age it might be her last... How many of her family would be missing in 10 years? ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeanine" <joyzee_goil@yahoo.com> To: <ny-irish-l@rootsweb.com>; <y-irl@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: [NY-IRISH] The Census Taker (a poem) Came across this & wanted to share...may have even gotten it on this list, but it bears repeating. Jeanine NJ THE CENSUS TAKER It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready...a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; His book and some quills were tucked close by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there; Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face; And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water...as they sat at the table; And she answered his questions...the best she was able. He asked of her children...Yes, she had quite a few; The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; His sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride; And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age... The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head; And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"; Was it Kanssas? or Utah? or Oregon...or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear; But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; They could read some...and write some...though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done; So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear; "May God bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp...it's now you and me; As we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; As we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day; That the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart; Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. AUTHOR UNKNOWN ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have paid to view/print records from the IFHF and they are not my kin so I thought they may help someone with their own brick wall. I have Church Baptism records for William Taggart x 1 and for Francis Taggart x 3. I also have Church marriage recods for William Taggart and Mary Murray from 1856 and for William Taggart and Annie McLaughlin from 1858. These are from either Co Antrim or Tyrone. If anyone is interested pleasse contact me offline and I will be glad to share.

Thank you, Jeanine, that was beautiful. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeanine" <joyzee_goil@yahoo.com> To: <ny-irish-l@rootsweb.com>; <y-irl@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: [NY-IRISH] The Census Taker (a poem) Came across this & wanted to share...may have even gotten it on this list, but it bears repeating. Jeanine NJ THE CENSUS TAKER It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready...a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; His book and some quills were tucked close by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there; Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face; And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water...as they sat at the table; And she answered his questions...the best she was able. He asked of her children...Yes, she had quite a few; The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; His sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride; And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age... The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head; And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"; Was it Kanssas? or Utah? or Oregon...or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear; But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; They could read some...and write some...though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done; So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear; "May God bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp...it's now you and me; As we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; As we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day; That the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart; Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. AUTHOR UNKNOWN ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Mar 16, 2009, at 3:01 AM, ny-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:31:30 EDT > From: Sheilaploof1@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Grandfather from Cork > To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d2e.3b2567da.36eecdb2@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > If your grandfather was born after 1864, when civil registration > commenced, > you might well find him listed in the indexes at the General Registry > Office. > Going that route opened up many doors for me...finding that ONE birth > registration made all the difference. My grandfather born 1863!! and none of the children are registered anywhere in records including the one brother born in 1865. That was checked several times, as was the fact he arrived in NYC from England in 1889, worked as a mason/bricklayer, then as a painter at what ever work he could get before joining the US Army when he got his citizenship papers. Papers say his family born in CORK......no town listed! I have searched EVERYTHING possible- census, in Britain and US where he appears only once in 1910. And that one only because wife answered the questions they never answered census again, nor did my Father. Grandfather died in 1926 Father in 1966. Yes, I have checked these over and over including books as to How to find ancestors............. I'm glad these things worked out for others but hasn't worked for this family at all. A sturdy BRICK wall!!!!!

Came across this & wanted to share...may have even gotten it on this list, but it bears repeating. Jeanine NJ       THE CENSUS TAKER   It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready...a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; His book and some quills were tucked close by his side.   A long winding ride down a road barely there; Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face; And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place.   She gave him some water...as they sat at the table; And she answered his questions...the best she was able. He asked of her children...Yes, she had quite a few; The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two.   She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; His sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride; And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside.   He noted the sex, the color, the age... The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head; And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead.   The places of birth she "never forgot"; Was it Kanssas? or Utah? or Oregon...or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear; But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here.   They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; They could read some...and write some...though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done; So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun.   We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear; "May God bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp...it's now you and me; As we search for the people on our family tree.   We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; As we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day; That the entries they made would effect us this way?   If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart; Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart.                                                  AUTHOR UNKNOWN  

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If he was in the US Army from 1898-1901 would his Army papers give more information? Or have you gone this route. ----- Original Message ----- From: pat lewis To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] NY-IRISH Digest, Vol 4, Issue 58 To answer questions posted in above issue. G-Grandparents went from Cork to England......my grandfather left England from Liverpool, and of course they stopped at Queensland asa usual for those times.... He was in the US Army from 1898-1901. All the Brit. census from 1871-1901, say BORN in Cork. That doesn't mean it's true could have been an answer they made up, as most Irish eing untrusting of the Brits. I have NEVER been able to get passed the G-gfather, in any book, record or documentation. I have his death cert but it doesn't have any info other than where he lived at time of death, who was in attendence, and what cause of death, and his age, unlike our death certs in NY. On Mar 14, 2009, at 3:01 AM, ny-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >> Attend the lecture in NY? by the Irish researcher, maybe he could >> solve >> the mystery of WHERE???? my great grandparents were born, supposedly >> in >> Cork.? A 40+ year mystery? as all I have or ever had is born in/or >> came? from Cork according to Brit.census from 1861 -1901..........and >> also according to my Grandfathers pension papers. ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What does his Army enlistment, discharge and Citizenship papers say? ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] NY-IRISH Digest, Vol 4, Issue 58 > To answer questions posted in above issue. > G-Grandparents went from Cork to England......my grandfather left > England from Liverpool, and of course they stopped at Queensland asa > usual for those times.... He was in the US Army from 1898-1901. > All the Brit. census from 1871-1901, say BORN in Cork. That doesn't > mean it's true could have been an answer they made up, as most Irish > eing untrusting of the Brits. > I have NEVER been able to get passed the G-gfather, in any book, record > or documentation. I have his death cert but it doesn't have any info > other than where he lived at time of death, who was in attendence, and > what cause of death, and his age, unlike our death certs in NY. > > On Mar 14, 2009, at 3:01 AM, ny-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >>> Attend the lecture in NY? by the Irish researcher, maybe he could >>> solve >>> the mystery of WHERE???? my great grandparents were born, supposedly >>> in >>> Cork.? A 40+ year mystery? as all I have or ever had is born in/or >>> came? from Cork according to Brit.census from 1861 -1901..........and >>> also according to my Grandfathers pension papers. > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To answer questions posted in above issue. G-Grandparents went from Cork to England......my grandfather left England from Liverpool, and of course they stopped at Queensland asa usual for those times.... He was in the US Army from 1898-1901. All the Brit. census from 1871-1901, say BORN in Cork. That doesn't mean it's true could have been an answer they made up, as most Irish eing untrusting of the Brits. I have NEVER been able to get passed the G-gfather, in any book, record or documentation. I have his death cert but it doesn't have any info other than where he lived at time of death, who was in attendence, and what cause of death, and his age, unlike our death certs in NY. On Mar 14, 2009, at 3:01 AM, ny-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >> Attend the lecture in NY? by the Irish researcher, maybe he could >> solve >> the mystery of WHERE???? my great grandparents were born, supposedly >> in >> Cork.? A 40+ year mystery? as all I have or ever had is born in/or >> came? from Cork according to Brit.census from 1861 -1901..........and >> also according to my Grandfathers pension papers.

Not to make it more frustrating, but Cork may only be where they sailed out of, rather than where they originated from. Edel Codd, Tralee In Kerry/Dingle Peninsula: ASHE-Camp & Ballyknockane, & related; BROSNAN-Dingle Town, & related; CAVANAUGH–Holyoke, MA area (related to BROSNAN) In Wexford: CODD, Woodlands & Carne, & related; FARDY, Coolboy, Gusserane, & related; PRESCOTT – Albany, NY --- On Thu, 3/12/09, pat lewis <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> wrote: > From: pat lewis <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> > Subject: [NY-IRISH] Iwish I could > To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 5:14 PM > Attend the lecture in NY by the Irish researcher, maybe he > could solve > the mystery of WHERE???? my great grandparents were born, > supposedly in > Cork. A 40+ year mystery as all I have or ever had is > born in/or > came from Cork according to Brit.census from 1861 > -1901..........and > also according to my Grandfathers pension papers. > I have checked with every source available. Ancestry > hasn't got info > either! LDS only shows my great grandfathers info as > coming from Cork > and his children born in Middlesex. Other than me there are > no living > relatives with any info. > When I say I have checked all sources I include all.even > Mallow. > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list > website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the > Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello, were those pension papers from the British Army or the Army? Kathleen ________________________________ From: Bob Ryan <ryanblack@cox.net> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:55:51 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Iwish I could Did you every read Riobard O'Dwyers 4 books, Who Are My Ancestors? There refer to Castletownberehaven, Cork and a few townlands nearby. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: [NY-IRISH] Iwish I could > Attend the lecture in NY  by the Irish researcher, maybe he could solve > the mystery of WHERE???? my great grandparents were born, supposedly in > Cork.  A 40+ year mystery  as all I have or ever had is born in/or > came  from Cork according to Brit.census from 1861 -1901..........and > also according to my Grandfathers pension papers. > I have checked with every source available. Ancestry hasn't got info > either! LDS only shows my great grandfathers info  as coming from Cork > and his children born in Middlesex. Other than me there are no living > relatives with any info. > When I say I have checked all sources I include all.even Mallow. > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did you every read Riobard O'Dwyers 4 books, Who Are My Ancestors? There refer to Castletownberehaven, Cork and a few townlands nearby. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: [NY-IRISH] Iwish I could > Attend the lecture in NY by the Irish researcher, maybe he could solve > the mystery of WHERE???? my great grandparents were born, supposedly in > Cork. A 40+ year mystery as all I have or ever had is born in/or > came from Cork according to Brit.census from 1861 -1901..........and > also according to my Grandfathers pension papers. > I have checked with every source available. Ancestry hasn't got info > either! LDS only shows my great grandfathers info as coming from Cork > and his children born in Middlesex. Other than me there are no living > relatives with any info. > When I say I have checked all sources I include all.even Mallow. > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Attend the lecture in NY by the Irish researcher, maybe he could solve the mystery of WHERE???? my great grandparents were born, supposedly in Cork. A 40+ year mystery as all I have or ever had is born in/or came from Cork according to Brit.census from 1861 -1901..........and also according to my Grandfathers pension papers. I have checked with every source available. Ancestry hasn't got info either! LDS only shows my great grandfathers info as coming from Cork and his children born in Middlesex. Other than me there are no living relatives with any info. When I say I have checked all sources I include all.even Mallow.

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> Family Historian....francesca premo > In regard to your message below as to Kingston paper . The lady who > sent me copies of the obits I needed awhile back, got them from the > library near where she lives . The people died in 1971 and in the > 90's. > ------------------------------ >> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Kingston NY Freeman newspaper obit >> >> >> Would someone be kind enough to get the copy of obit of my step grand >> mother who died Oct.13,1954, >> listed in Kingston Freeman obit column of Oct. 14. Name: Rose Doyle >> (nee Hart) wife of William P Doyle of Phonicia,NY. >> She died en-route in NJ, to either NYC or Phoenicia NY. >> Also looking for obit of my grandfather William P Doyle believed to >> have died about Feb 20,1980 in Bedford, Va at Elks home but have no >> idea of which newspaper this would be in, if any. ( suggestions >> welcome). >> >> I have lost the name of the nice lady that sent me the obits of Liese >> family of Port Ewen ( Kingston Freeman paper), unfortnately. I >> remember she had access to the paper in her area of NY state. >> >> Thank you. Please contact off list if necessary. >> > > > > -********************************************************-------------- > --------------- > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:34:51 -0400 > From: "francesca premo" <familyhistorian101@rochester.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] NY obit needed > To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <47890166A3F845BDB3088130414EF5FD@Joseph> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original >> ************************************************************ >> http://www.connor

Does anyone have Genealogy Bank or one of those obit search engines, who might do a look up for one of our list members? It's his grandpa's obit from Hicksville, NY...that's Long Island, Suffolk County. Death: September 1963 Name: Michael MATTES born NYC 1888 Last Residence: Hicksville, New York Thanks for your generosity, Barb N of NYC ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

Pat, my emails to you off-List are bouncing. I've tried three times to get one to go out to you. I don't know what the problem might be. I can help you with the transcriptions. I have the last Excel spreadsheet that we used. Terry