Was both the bride & groom catholic?? If one of the marriage partners was non-catholic, they may have been married in the rectory rather than the church...this happened to my grandparents. In 1906 my grandfather was protestant ( though he converted later) so they had to be married in the rectory, since noncatholics coould not be married inside the church proper.....Ellie J **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322941x1201367178/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =Mayfooter51809NO115)

I have just put the tithe applotments online on the County Limerick section of my website for the Grange Civil Parish, dated 1830. Included on the same film were the tithes for East Grange parish, County Limerick, dated 1833. I also have them online and evidently at the time they were considered two separate parishes. Remember, if you find a name that you believe is an ancestor, check the film before documenting the tithe as a source document. Handwriting and filming tend to lead to mistakes in transcribing plus there is usually more info in the document than I transcribe. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

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Do you have the name of the church? If so, here is a list of RC churchs and records available: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nynewyo2/RCchurchregisters.htm > > I just received a Certificate of Marriage for one of my Buckley family members. The clergyman's residence is listed at 337 Fourth Avenue in NYC. I looked at the archdiocese website and don't see a church for that address (unless I missed it.) Online today at that address it is listed as the NY Etching Club. Would anyone know if there used to be a -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hi Susan. Could you give us the date of the marriage? Maybe, with some digging, something might turn up. Also, does it give the name of the person who officiated, or only the address you listed. Terry in Mich. -- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Regan" <susanregan@comcast.net> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: [NY-IRISH] Was there a church? > Hi Everyone, > > I just received a Certificate of Marriage for one of my Buckley family > members. The clergyman's residence is listed at 337 Fourth Avenue in NYC. > I looked at the archdiocese website and don't see a church for that > address (unless I missed it.) Online today at that address it is listed > as the NY Etching Club. Would anyone know if there used to be a church > there? I would assume it to be a Catholic Church. If not, I was > wondering if my other "clue", might indicate that it wasn't. Under > Witnesses (not person performing the ceremony) to the Marriage it listes > "J. Carpenter (Evangelist)". > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Susan > ====NY-Irish

Susan May I ask you what year this ceremony took place? John Ps. Also a Buckley descendant but only passing through 1871-1872 from Wales to Pittsburgh John Steitz Luck Brothers, Inc. 73 Trade Road Plattsburgh, NY 12946 518-561-4321 T 518-561-8462 F 518-569-0140 C johnst@luckbros.com -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Regan Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 4:29 PM To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: [NY-IRISH] Was there a church? Hi Everyone, I just received a Certificate of Marriage for one of my Buckley family members. The clergyman's residence is listed at 337 Fourth Avenue in NYC. I looked at the archdiocese website and don't see a church for that address (unless I missed it.) Online today at that address it is listed as the NY Etching Club. Would anyone know if there used to be a church there? I would assume it to be a Catholic Church. If not, I was wondering if my other "clue", might indicate that it wasn't. Under Witnesses (not person performing the ceremony) to the Marriage it listes "J. Carpenter (Evangelist)". Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Susan ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone, I just received a Certificate of Marriage for one of my Buckley family members. The clergyman's residence is listed at 337 Fourth Avenue in NYC. I looked at the archdiocese website and don't see a church for that address (unless I missed it.) Online today at that address it is listed as the NY Etching Club. Would anyone know if there used to be a church there? I would assume it to be a Catholic Church. If not, I was wondering if my other "clue", might indicate that it wasn't. Under Witnesses (not person performing the ceremony) to the Marriage it listes "J. Carpenter (Evangelist)". Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Susan

The Archives of Ireland has great news about getting the 1901 and 1911 Ireland census on line at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/futureplans.html -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I have just put both the tithe applotments and the Griffith's Valuation for the Grange Civil Parish on the County Galway section of my website. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I have just put the tithe applotments online on the County Kilkenny section of my website for Graiguenamanagh Civil Parish. There are over 500 names and it is dated 1822. A couple of weeks ago I put the tithes for the County Kilkenny civil parishes of Ullid and Urlingford online. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I have just put the 2nd ward of this census online (Troy section of my website). The 2nd ward contained 3,825 individuals living in 816 dwellings and in 848 families. Please be aware, this ward was extremely difficult to read due to handwriting, spelling and condition of film. Many times the 1860 and 1870 census was used to help figure out the surnames and/or first names. So, if you think you found a connection, please check the film yourself to be sure it is your ancestors. The good people who took time out of their lives to help others and transcribe these difficult pages are: Earl Smith, Bob McConihe, Sharon Kin, Lynn Grice, Amy LaPietra and Terry Bora. If you would like to help, email me off the list. We have finished the 3rd ward and almost done with the 4th ward and both should be online within a month. We will start the 5th ward on Saturday. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thank you very much, Claire. This has been a problem for years. When one enters the name as I spelled it, into search engines as "sounds like," many Italian names appear. I will try this. Thanks so much, Barb N of NYC > Could be CARBERY. > > From Edward MacLysaght, THE SURNAMES OF IRELAND, 6th ed. (Dublin, > Ire. and Portland, OR: Irish Academic Press, 1999): > > "Carbery. The most important sept of this name was that of > Clonlonan, as Map; a branch of it were erenaghs of Galloon, Co. > Fermanagh. They were usually O Cairbre [accent on the O] in Irish, > but Mac Cairbre was also used. The Carberys of Co. Waterford are > distinct; they are Mac Cairbre; Ballymacarbry in that county locates > them. The personal name Cairbre is said to have denoted charioteer, > but this derivation is uncertain. MIF 51; Map Westmeath." > > MIF = see MORE IRISH FAMILIES > Map Westmeath = surname map shows O Carberry (note double "r"s) in > Westmeath, on the Offaly border, near the Roscommon border. > > HTH > > Claire K. ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)

I agree with Claire, it was the first name that came to my mind. On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:54 AM, <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> wrote: > Thank you very much, Claire. This has been a problem for years. When one > enters the name as I spelled it, into search engines as "sounds like," many > Italian names appear. I will try this. > > Thanks so much, > Barb > N of NYC > > >> Could be CARBERY. >> -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Could be CARBERY. From Edward MacLysaght, THE SURNAMES OF IRELAND, 6th ed. (Dublin, Ire. and Portland, OR: Irish Academic Press, 1999): "Carbery. The most important sept of this name was that of Clonlonan, as Map; a branch of it were erenaghs of Galloon, Co. Fermanagh. They were usually O Cairbre [accent on the O] in Irish, but Mac Cairbre was also used. The Carberys of Co. Waterford are distinct; they are Mac Cairbre; Ballymacarbry in that county locates them. The personal name Cairbre is said to have denoted charioteer, but this derivation is uncertain. MIF 51; Map Westmeath." MIF = see MORE IRISH FAMILIES Map Westmeath = surname map shows O Carberry (note double "r"s) in Westmeath, on the Offaly border, near the Roscommon border. HTH Claire K. On Apr 28, 2009, at 3:51 AM, MizScarlettNY@aol.com wrote: > Perhaps one of the wise folks on this list can confirm something > for me. > > An 1894 NJ birth certificate showed the mother's name just too > lightly. > I have every reason to believe that her maiden name was CARBELLY. > Long ago, I tried it on Ancestry.com, but hardly had any hits. > > Is anyone familiar with this surname, or is the spelling a smidgen > off? > > Thanks in advance. > Barb > N of NYC > > > ************** > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere > on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html? > ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http:// > www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message Claire K seekay@comcast.net

Perhaps one of the wise folks on this list can confirm something for me. An 1894 NJ birth certificate showed the mother's name just too lightly. I have every reason to believe that her maiden name was CARBELLY. Long ago, I tried it on Ancestry.com, but hardly had any hits. Is anyone familiar with this surname, or is the spelling a smidgen off? Thanks in advance. Barb N of NYC ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)

Thank you very much Terry. I attempted to search other pages, but did not find such abbreviations. I had a hunch it had to do with sections of the town, but couldn't prove it. Thanks again, Barb N of NYC terrybora@wowway.com writes: > Barb, curiosity led me to look up the Directories and I found the > following: > the small case LT means Lower Town. UP would be Upper Town. There's an > explanation for these designations in the 1847 Directory, images 9 & > 10.... Terry in Mich. ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)

I have just transcribed and added to the County Limerick section of my website, the tithes for the Uregare Civil Parish. More additions this week will include Ullid and Urlingford Civil Parishes from County Kilkenny plus for County Tipperary, Upperchurch, Templebeg and Uskeane Civil Parishes and for County Laois, Teacolm Civil Parish and Kilclooney and Mullaghbrack Civil Parishes, County Armagh. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Ok, Thank you for this info. Now another question, On the free BMD site I found a marriage and birth of an ancestor in England.-the Yr of reg.-Quarter-dist.-ct. Vol and page number. Now what do I do with that info to enable me to find the certificate. Patricia IN. -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Connors Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:21 PM To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Irish census. Census for the whole of Ireland were taken in 1821, 1831, 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911. However, the 1st four were destroy in a fire in 1922 and only a couple pages/fragments survived. Those for 1861 to 1891 were completely destoyed by England before 1922. So, all that is left of the early censuses are 1901 and 1911. Here are some websites that have censuses transcribed online: A site that has a number of links to censuses online http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/iredata/refdata/ce nsus_links/irl_cen_links.html The National Archives are currently putting the 1911 online fully searchable. They are doing iit by county and they are pretty slow. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ So far they have the current counties online: Dublin, Antrim, Down and Kerry NOTE: After 1911 censuses were done by the Republic and Northern Island (England) but haven't been released as yet. > Did the irish take the census as regularly as us? Where can I find > these census? > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2082 - Release Date: 04/27/09 06:19:00

There are a few places you can go online an dpay to get a certificate. Here is the Public Record Office/Archives site that might give you the info you need: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/bmd/?WT.hp=Births,%20marriages%20and%20deaths I have used GenFindIt to get some Irish records for me, they also get records from England: http://www.genfindit.com/ I believe you can also order records through Ancestry.com On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Pat <liz3638@comcast.net> wrote: > Ok, Thank you for this info. Now another question, On the free BMD site I > found a marriage and birth of an ancestor in England.-the Yr of > reg.-Quarter-dist.-ct. Vol and page number. Now what do I do with that info > to enable me to find the certificate. > Patricia > IN. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Yes, and you can't. ;-) A census was taken every ten years in Ireland, 1821-1911, but the 1901 is the first that survives for all of Ireland. The 1821-1851 were mostly destroyed (scattered fragments remain), and the 1861-1891 were thoroughly destroyed. Because of the near-total destruction of pre-1901 censuses, the usual 100-year closure rule was waived by the Irish government, and both the 1901 and 1911 censuses are available in Ireland and through the LDS. Unfortunately, the UK government did not waive the closure, so the records are not accessible in NI or (I believe) the UK. The National Library of Ireland is working on digitizing the censuses, but mostly you still have to work from microfilm. Indexing varies by county (some aren't indexed at all, some indexes are not widely available), so you need to know where in Ireland you're looking before you can use the records reasonably well. Hope that's not too discouraging. Claire K. On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Pat wrote: > Did the irish take the census as regularly as us? Where can I > find these > census? > Patricia > IN > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http:// > www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message Claire K seekay@comcast.net