Another thought? on the subject of the pastor of church where Susan is looking for info......is it possible that the address she has for the pastor is "HIS" The address, not necessarily the place of the church address. Not all rectories/parsons houses may have been right next to the church, at that time.. On May 24, 2009, at 3:00 AM, ny-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Jack, it was Susan Regan who's trying to figure out the church where > her > gg.aunt, Anna Buckley, married. She sent me two images off-List, both > showing the 'clergyman' as Frederic Janes on one and Rev. Frederic > Janes on > the other. He lists his address as 337 Fourth Ave NYC. After some > 'googling', I found that at the time of the marriage (1889) this bldg. > housed the studio of James D. Smillie, founder of the NY Etching Club. > Reading over some data from different web sites I noticed that this > address > was also used by several other men associated with Smillie. I don't > know > that this bldg. would also house a church. It seems more like an > apartment > bldg. The bldg. is still there apparently, on the corner of Park Ave. > S & > 25th St. A picture of the bldg. can be seen at the following site. > http://cnx.org/content/m19786/latest/ . One of the witnesses at the > marriage > was a J. Carpenter (Evangelist). Susan had assumed the marriage was > Catholic. I don't think so, but I could be way off base on this. > Maybe > someone on the List can help figure this out for her. > > Terry in Mich.. > Date: Sat, 23 May 2009

There is only one Nenagh in the Book and it's in Tipperary. No "Neangh". Bob

for years I have been trying to find my ggrandmother's birthplace.? Had a hand written note that said "Neangh" County Antrim....Do you think it could have been Nenagh, Tipperary??? Her name was Jane Louise Lewis Born May 7, and here again there are conflicting dates....1840--1846--1854.? Tradition says she came to an aunt in Canada and then to the US.? J. Ehmann -----Original Message----- From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com <SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com>; irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com; ny irish <ny-irish-l@rootsweb.com>; IRISH-AMERICAN <Irish-American-L@rootsweb.com>; Irish-In-UK-L@rootsweb.com; Can-Ontario-Irish-L@rootsweb.com; New-England-Irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 22 May 2009 3:12 pm Subject: [NY-IRISH] County Tipperary tithe applotments online I have just added to the County Tipperary section of my website, the tithe applotments for Nenagh civil parish in the North Riding and for Neddans, Newcastle and Newchapel civil parishes in the South Riding. All originated in the 1820s. Please read the notes on each page because a couple of these were very difficult to read plus Newcastle had three books. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a big distance between Antrim and Tipperary counties. I check all the townlands in County Antrim beginning with the letter N and none look like Neangh. Also no civil or RC parishes with that name or any name similar in spelling. There were Lewises in the Nenagh tithes so it might be an area to explore. If you go here: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/ put Lewis in the surname search box, you will find that for the Griffith's Valuation (ca 1850s) the counties with the most Lewises were Antrim and Tipperary. Getting to your handwritten note, who wrote it? Family lore is sometimes very correct and other time way off the mark. My father was born in his grandfather house and raise by him and told me his grandfather was born in Australia. To my surprise when I started my family genealogy, I found he was born in Ireland, County Armagh. I even found his baptism record there! Now, I am thinking he may have gone to Australia before going to the USA and the story became mangled over time. On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:33 PM, <emanwj@aol.com> wrote: > for years I have been trying to find my ggrandmother's birthplace.? Had a hand written note that said "Neangh" County Antrim....Do you think it could have been Nenagh, Tipperary??? Her name was Jane Louise Lewis Born May 7, and here again there are conflicting dates....1840--1846--1854.? Tradition says she came to an aunt in Canada and then to the US.? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Terry, Could you have her send me the image. There was a Catholic church around that time in that area who had a pastor whose name might be mis-read as Janes. Jerry in New York -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Theresa Bora Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 2:11 PM To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Was there a church? Jack, it was Susan Regan who's trying to figure out the church where her gg.aunt, Anna Buckley, married. She sent me two images off-List, both showing the 'clergyman' as Frederic Janes on one and Rev. Frederic Janes on the other. He lists his address as 337 Fourth Ave NYC. After some 'googling', I found that at the time of the marriage (1889) this bldg. housed the studio of James D. Smillie, founder of the NY Etching Club. Reading over some data from different web sites I noticed that this address was also used by several other men associated with Smillie. I don't know that this bldg. would also house a church. It seems more like an apartment bldg. The bldg. is still there apparently, on the corner of Park Ave. S & 25th St. A picture of the bldg. can be seen at the following site. http://cnx.org/content/m19786/latest/ . One of the witnesses at the marriage was a J. Carpenter (Evangelist). Susan had assumed the marriage was Catholic. I don't think so, but I could be way off base on this. Maybe someone on the List can help figure this out for her. Terry in Mich.. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JackLangton@aol.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Was there a church? > Somebody on the list was asking about Fourth Ave. IN Manhattan. It is > still extant, in the East Village neighborhood, and runs from about E. > 5th St. > to E. 14th St. Driving from the Battery to Central Park in Manhattan one > would proceed along Water St., the Bowery, 4th Ave., Park Ave. South, > Vanderbilt Ave., and Park Ave., hanging a left at E. 65th St. and going 2 > blocks. > Just thought someone would like a nice walk in the park, it's beautiful > today! > > Jack Langton > ************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jack, it was Susan Regan who's trying to figure out the church where her gg.aunt, Anna Buckley, married. She sent me two images off-List, both showing the 'clergyman' as Frederic Janes on one and Rev. Frederic Janes on the other. He lists his address as 337 Fourth Ave NYC. After some 'googling', I found that at the time of the marriage (1889) this bldg. housed the studio of James D. Smillie, founder of the NY Etching Club. Reading over some data from different web sites I noticed that this address was also used by several other men associated with Smillie. I don't know that this bldg. would also house a church. It seems more like an apartment bldg. The bldg. is still there apparently, on the corner of Park Ave. S & 25th St. A picture of the bldg. can be seen at the following site. http://cnx.org/content/m19786/latest/ . One of the witnesses at the marriage was a J. Carpenter (Evangelist). Susan had assumed the marriage was Catholic. I don't think so, but I could be way off base on this. Maybe someone on the List can help figure this out for her. Terry in Mich.. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JackLangton@aol.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Was there a church? > Somebody on the list was asking about Fourth Ave. IN Manhattan. It is > still extant, in the East Village neighborhood, and runs from about E. > 5th St. > to E. 14th St. Driving from the Battery to Central Park in Manhattan one > would proceed along Water St., the Bowery, 4th Ave., Park Ave. South, > Vanderbilt Ave., and Park Ave., hanging a left at E. 65th St. and going 2 > blocks. > Just thought someone would like a nice walk in the park, it's beautiful > today! > > Jack Langton > ************** --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Susan, You may want to check the street name section of http://www.forgotten-ny.com/ to find out which avenue was considered to be Fourth Avenue back then, either Madison or Park. Barb N of NYC ======================================== http://www.forgotten-ny.com/streetnecrology/AveA/declassified.html Drew Cold Spring, Putnam Co., NY O|||||||O Modeling the New York Central in N Scale and Trainz Backyard Birding & Gardening in the New York Hudson Valley Genealogy HERLIHY, GOULDING, & LENT, LYNT, van LENT Homepage: http://drucifer.net/index.html

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Somebody on the list was asking about Fourth Ave. IN Manhattan. It is still extant, in the East Village neighborhood, and runs from about E. 5th St. to E. 14th St. Driving from the Battery to Central Park in Manhattan one would proceed along Water St., the Bowery, 4th Ave., Park Ave. South, Vanderbilt Ave., and Park Ave., hanging a left at E. 65th St. and going 2 blocks. Just thought someone would like a nice walk in the park, it's beautiful today! Jack Langton **************Kick start your favorite grad’s career with mobile email for under $50. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100122638x1221971194x1201441917/aol?redir==http://www.getpeek.com/aol)

I have just added to the County Tipperary section of my website, the tithe applotments for Nenagh civil parish in the North Riding and for Neddans, Newcastle and Newchapel civil parishes in the South Riding. All originated in the 1820s. Please read the notes on each page because a couple of these were very difficult to read plus Newcastle had three books. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Answer to Question: "Fourth Avenue no longer exists in NYC. I believe that is Madison Avenue, just east of 5th Avenue" Could that possibly be St. Patrick's? Thanks so much! Susan

Susan, You may want to check the street name section of http://www.forgotten-ny.com/ to find out which avenue was considered to be Fourth Avenue back then, either Madison or Park. Barb N of NYC susanregan@comcast.net writes: > The marriage was between Edward Mahoney and Anna Buckley (lis. was > issued as Manhattan) on March 3, 1889. ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002)

Hi Drew, There are generations of LENT families still in the Peekskill, NY and Rockland County areas. Barb drew@drucifer.net writes: > Genealogy HERLIHY, GOULDING, & LENT, LYNT, van LENT ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002)

Fourth Avenue no longer exists in NYC. I believe that is Madison Avenue, just east of 5th Avenue. terrybora@wowway.com writes: > Hi Susan. Could you give us the date of the marriage? Maybe, with some > digging, something might turn up. Also, does it give the name of the > person > who officiated, or only the address you listed. Terry in Mich ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002)

I have just added the tithe applotments for the civil parishes of Newcastle and Nantinan online on the County Limerick section of my website. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I am happy to say the 3rd ward of this census is now online on the Troy section of my website. (If you had trouble getting into the site today, ATT had server problems, sorry for the inconvenience.) This is a small ward with 1,948 individuals, in 238 dwellings and 288 families. The great people to thank for taking time out of their lives to transcribe the census pages of this ward are Kay Brearton, Terry Bora, Lynn Grice, Sharon King, Earl Smith, Bob McConihe, Gary Craver. They are to be thanked. If you would like to help with this census project, please contact me off the list. All the pages for the 4th ward are assigned and we are well into the 5th ward. There are only 10 wards in the 1865 census, so we are almost half way through. PS Read the notes for this ward, we had different kinds of problems with it besides the usual problems with handwriting and spelling. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hello, I used to live in Manhattan, on 33rd.St. between second and third ave. There was a small church on 30Th. st. which I have forgotten the name. It was very small  but I will try and check it out. Again what was the number of the street and the cross st., Good Luck Kate --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Drew DUBLER <drew@drucifer.net> wrote: From: Drew DUBLER <drew@drucifer.net> Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Was there a church? To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 3:22 PM Well your Third Av address is near E39th St. That would make your Fourth Ave address todays Park Ave. Drew Cold Spring, Putnam Co., NY O|||||||O Modeling the New York Central in N Scale and Trainz Backyard Birding & Gardening in the New York Hudson Valley Genealogy HERLIHY, GOULDING, & LENT, LYNT, van LENT Homepage: http://drucifer.net/index.html ________________________________ From: Susan Regan <susanregan@comcast.net> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:56:06 AM Subject: [NY-IRISH] Was there a church? Thanks everyone for all the information...I still haven't quite figured it out.  The marriage was between Edward Mahoney and Anna Buckley (lis. was issued as Manhattan) on March 3, 1889.  the person performing the marriage was Frederic Janes (at least it looks like a "J", it is definitely not a "G") and the residence of the Clergyman was 337 Fourth Avenue.  The bride lived at 589 Third Ave in Manhattan around the time of her marriage.  When I put 337 Fourth Avenue in Mapquest, I get Brooklyn, NY.  I am not familiar with NYC.  I do know, that in Philly, some street names have been changed since 1889, and was also wondering if this could be the case.  I know she was Catholic. ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well your Third Av address is near E39th St. That would make your Fourth Ave address todays Park Ave. Drew Cold Spring, Putnam Co., NY O|||||||O Modeling the New York Central in N Scale and Trainz Backyard Birding & Gardening in the New York Hudson Valley Genealogy HERLIHY, GOULDING, & LENT, LYNT, van LENT Homepage: http://drucifer.net/index.html ________________________________ From: Susan Regan <susanregan@comcast.net> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:56:06 AM Subject: [NY-IRISH] Was there a church? Thanks everyone for all the information...I still haven't quite figured it out. The marriage was between Edward Mahoney and Anna Buckley (lis. was issued as Manhattan) on March 3, 1889. the person performing the marriage was Frederic Janes (at least it looks like a "J", it is definitely not a "G") and the residence of the Clergyman was 337 Fourth Avenue. The bride lived at 589 Third Ave in Manhattan around the time of her marriage. When I put 337 Fourth Avenue in Mapquest, I get Brooklyn, NY. I am not familiar with NYC. I do know, that in Philly, some street names have been changed since 1889, and was also wondering if this could be the case. I know she was Catholic.

Thanks everyone for all the information...I still haven't quite figured it out. The marriage was between Edward Mahoney and Anna Buckley (lis. was issued as Manhattan) on March 3, 1889. the person performing the marriage was Frederic Janes (at least it looks like a "J", it is definitely not a "G") and the residence of the Clergyman was 337 Fourth Avenue. The bride lived at 589 Third Ave in Manhattan around the time of her marriage. When I put 337 Fourth Avenue in Mapquest, I get Brooklyn, NY. I am not familiar with NYC. I do know, that in Philly, some street names have been changed since 1889, and was also wondering if this could be the case. I know she was Catholic. Original Message: > Hi Everyone, > > I just received a Certificate of Marriage for one of my Buckley family > members. The clergyman's residence is listed at 337 Fourth Avenue in NYC. > I looked at the archdiocese website and don't see a church for that > address (unless I missed it.) Online today at that address it is listed > as the NY Etching Club. Would anyone know if there used to be a church > there? I would assume it to be a Catholic Church. If not, I was > wondering if my other "clue", might indicate that it wasn't. Under > Witnesses (not person performing the ceremony) to the Marriage it listes > "J. Carpenter (Evangelist)". > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Susan > ====NY-Irish