Hi Henny. It depends on the time frame and the Borough that you're looking for. I know the dates covered are limited, which you've probably already checked out. The Italian web site starts with 1891 for Manhattan, but I've done transcriptions for 1882 deaths for Manhattan and 1888 for Kings, neither of which are online yet. I had to stop helping (I hope to be able to start up again soon), and I'm guessing there are still more records to be transcribed. What year are you looking for? You could email John Martino and ask if there's anything in the works for your particular interest. The spreadsheet that I have for Manhattan deaths contains a thousand names, but only from the surnames starting with Cunningham (Thomas) and ending with Diefenbacker (Lizzie), and as I said, only the year 1882. It would be a miracle if this was what you needed! As a side note, John Martino and the Italian site is really in need of contributions and volunteers to keep their projects going. If anyone can help in any way, go to www.italiangen.org . Terry Bora in Mich. ----- Original Message ----- From: <oconnortoo@aol.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Ordering Certificates from LDS > > <<<<<<I have a question for you and/or anybody on the list. > > If you can't find the death certificate on the Italiangen or > Germangengroup sites does it mean the death certificate is missing and not > available or is it just missing from the index on these sites?? >>>>>>> > Henny > CT > > >
Assuming your Higgins were Catholic, here is a site that show all the RC church records that have survived the years. The site also give you information on whether they were filmed by the Family History Library and their numbers at PRONI (Belfast) and the Library of Ireland (Dublin). http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Clare Higgins<clarehiggins@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi, folks. I have a lot of family history research notes that I inherited > from my grandfather. On one page it says that my great-great-grandfather, > Morris Higgins, was born c. 1815-1820 in Ireland. I've managed to find a lot > of stuff about him but was told by a Dublin researcher that no baptism > records exist from that time period. > > > > I also noticed that in Grandpa's notes, it said Morris' father was born in > 1790 and his grandfather in 1765. They were both also called Morris. I don't > see how Grandpa could have known this. There's no indication of where he > obtained this info. He may have simply asked his father. > > > > The answer to my next question is more than likely "no," but I'm taking a > shot anyhow. Is there any way I can verify these 1765 and 1790 dates? > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com
Clare---It's not true that no baptismal records exist before 1815 in Ireland. It all depends on the county and parish where you gg-grandfather was baptised. I have seen some baptismal records in Ireland going back into the later 1700s, but that is probably the exception rather than the rule. You need to do some searching for your gg-grandfather in the place where he lived after emigrating from Ireland, and try to pin down at least the county he was from, and proceed from there. Can you give us any dates and last names and places of residence? Good luck in your search, Mary Kay
Hi, folks. I have a lot of family history research notes that I inherited from my grandfather. On one page it says that my great-great-grandfather, Morris Higgins, was born c. 1815-1820 in Ireland. I've managed to find a lot of stuff about him but was told by a Dublin researcher that no baptism records exist from that time period. I also noticed that in Grandpa's notes, it said Morris' father was born in 1790 and his grandfather in 1765. They were both also called Morris. I don't see how Grandpa could have known this. There's no indication of where he obtained this info. He may have simply asked his father. The answer to my next question is more than likely "no," but I'm taking a shot anyhow. Is there any way I can verify these 1765 and 1790 dates? Thanks. Clare Higgins
Rick, We never checked into Wexford Fitzgeralds. We were having enough problems with the Limerick/Cork FitzGeralds. LOL Keep in mind that the Kennedy Fitzgeralds were from Limerick not Wexford. The Kennedys were from Wexford. Your connection may be the same as my husband's, through marriage. Nora In a message dated 7/4/2009 3:10:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _rshea1@nycap.rr.com_ (mailto:rshea1@nycap.rr.com) writes: Nora, My daughter's forename also. Have you ever run accross a Patrick and Alice Fitzgerald from Wexford. My grandmother said her mother (Mary Bridget Fitzgerald) was related to the Kennedys but like you no paper trail. Her parents Patrick and Alice were from Wexford but I'm not sure Mary (Born 1840) was she may have been born in Boston where she married a Richard Walsh (Born 1837 place unk). Rick Shea ----- Original Message ----- From: <Irishcolleen45@aol.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Anybody Know Latin? > As to being related to JFK, there is a possibility but there is no paper > trail. . Also JFK's Fitzgerald line did > come from Bruree (sp ?) which is slightly north of the Kilfinnane area. > **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005)
Hi Henny, Is it possible your ancestors died in another place? One of our ancestors lived in Brooklyn, but she died on Long Island, so we found her death certificate in the Suffolk county; LI, NY, records, Otherwise, if you are sure they died within the 5 boroughs, maybe you could find where they are buried. If you want to share the name and aprox dod for your ancestors, I will look around to see if I find anything here in NY? Pat NY ________________________________ From: "oconnortoo@aol.com" <oconnortoo@aol.com> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:43:07 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Ordering Certificates from LDS Hi Melanie, I can't thank you enough for giving me this information.? You have saved me a lot of money and made it easy to make progress on my research.? THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I have a question for you and/or anybody on the list. If you can't find the death certificate on the Italiangen or Germangengroup sites does it mean the death certificate is missing and not available or is it just missing from the index on these sites?? I can't find two of my ancestors?in the index on these sites and I thought I was out of luck.? I requested a search at the NY Records Center (cost $36) but I have not heard anything and expect I won't get anything.? Is it worth trying again through LDS as you mention below?? Or are the changes of success pretty grime based on not finding them?in the index on Italiangen/Germangengroup sites? Henny CT -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Egan <MEgan@cfl.rr.com> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, Feb 22, 2009 2:01 pm Subject: [NY-IRISH] Ordering Certificates from LDS Hi Henny, Yes, you can order copies of the same certificates through LDS for only $2.00 each, which is now an even better bargain with the increase at the Municipal Archives. Go to www.familysearch.org and click on Forms (right hand side) Click on Request for Photocopies: Census, Books, Microfilm, Microfiche and print off this form. (When you get your response, they will send you more blank forms, so you only have to do this once) Next, fill in your name and address and credit card information on the front of the form. On the back middle section labeled, General Microfilm or Microfiche, print the information you need: Name of Individual, Certificate #, Event Type, Date, and County or borough. Now for the hard part. You need to find the microfilm reel number. Go back to www.familysearch.org and click on Family History Library Catalogue on the top bar. Next, select Place Search Under both "Place" and "Part of", type in New York and click Search. (If you need to order records for a county such as Kings or Bronx, enter that in place of "New York") Select: New York, New York (City) or the county you need. On the next screen, look for Vital Records". You may need to click "View next set of matching topics" and scroll toward the end. When you click on Vital Records, many different types of records will display. Check carefully for the records you need, paying close attention to the county/borough and the years. Click on the type of record, county, and time period you want. A description of the records will display. It's a good idea to read this and make sure you are ordering what you need. Click on "View Film Notes" in the upper left hand corner. Now you are at the actual reel listing. Look for the year and certificate # range you want. Be careful because it is so easy to write down the wrong reel. Write the reel number in the first column of your form. You can request up to 8 certificates at a time, every two weeks. I've found it very easy to fax the request to the number on the front of the form. I usually get a response in two weeks. If you don't have the certificate number and can't find it on www.italiangen.org, you can also order the film containing the death index for that year in the same method. LDS will send you a copy of the page with the name you are searching and then you can request the certificate in your next request. Melanie Orlando ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Nora, My daughter's forename also. Have you ever run accross a Patrick and Alice Fitzgerald from Wexford. My grandmother said her mother (Mary Bridget Fitzgerald) was related to the Kennedys but like you no paper trail. Her parents Patrick and Alice were from Wexford but I'm not sure Mary (Born 1840) was she may have been born in Boston where she married a Richard Walsh (Born 1837 place unk). Rick Shea ----- Original Message ----- From: <Irishcolleen45@aol.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Anybody Know Latin? > As to being related to JFK, there is a possibility but there is no paper > trail. . Also JFK's Fitzgerald line did > come from Bruree (sp ?) which is slightly north of the Kilfinnane area. >
Hi Melanie, I can't thank you enough for giving me this information.? You have saved me a lot of money and made it easy to make progress on my research.? THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I have a question for you and/or anybody on the list. If you can't find the death certificate on the Italiangen or Germangengroup sites does it mean the death certificate is missing and not available or is it just missing from the index on these sites?? I can't find two of my ancestors?in the index on these sites and I thought I was out of luck.? I requested a search at the NY Records Center (cost $36) but I have not heard anything and expect I won't get anything.? Is it worth trying again through LDS as you mention below?? Or are the changes of success pretty grime based on not finding them?in the index on Italiangen/Germangengroup sites? Henny CT -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Egan <MEgan@cfl.rr.com> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, Feb 22, 2009 2:01 pm Subject: [NY-IRISH] Ordering Certificates from LDS Hi Henny, Yes, you can order copies of the same certificates through LDS for only $2.00 each, which is now an even better bargain with the increase at the Municipal Archives. Go to www.familysearch.org and click on Forms (right hand side) Click on Request for Photocopies: Census, Books, Microfilm, Microfiche and print off this form. (When you get your response, they will send you more blank forms, so you only have to do this once) Next, fill in your name and address and credit card information on the front of the form. On the back middle section labeled, General Microfilm or Microfiche, print the information you need: Name of Individual, Certificate #, Event Type, Date, and County or borough. Now for the hard part. You need to find the microfilm reel number. Go back to www.familysearch.org and click on Family History Library Catalogue on the top bar. Next, select Place Search Under both "Place" and "Part of", type in New York and click Search. (If you need to order records for a county such as Kings or Bronx, enter that in place of "New York") Select: New York, New York (City) or the county you need. On the next screen, look for Vital Records". You may need to click "View next set of matching topics" and scroll toward the end. When you click on Vital Records, many different types of records will display. Check carefully for the records you need, paying close attention to the county/borough and the years. Click on the type of record, county, and time period you want. A description of the records will display. It's a good idea to read this and make sure you are ordering what you need. Click on "View Film Notes" in the upper left hand corner. Now you are at the actual reel listing. Look for the year and certificate # range you want. Be careful because it is so easy to write down the wrong reel. Write the reel number in the first column of your form. You can request up to 8 certificates at a time, every two weeks. I've found it very easy to fax the request to the number on the front of the form. I usually get a response in two weeks. If you don't have the certificate number and can't find it on www.italiangen.org, you can also order the film containing the death index for that year in the same method. LDS will send you a copy of the page with the name you are searching and then you can request the certificate in your next request. Melanie Orlando ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Clare, I can understand the mistake in trying to read the writing. When we were looking for Maurice FitzGerald (my husband's great grandfather and John FitzGerald's son), the priest read the mother's maiden name as Dwane. We didn't think that was the correct name because Maurice had named a son Michael Dunne FitzGerald whose 92 year old daughter is still alive. Sure enough when the priest rechecked the records he said it could be Dunne and not Dwane. That helped us find the rest of Maurice's children. As to being related to JFK, there is a possibility but there is no paper trail. John FitzGerald's mother (that would be my husband's great great great grandmother) was a Ryan and it is believed that a Ryan relative married a Fitzgerald who was related to JFK's Fitzgerald line. There was a Ryan family from Cork who attended JFK's inauguration. Also JFK's Fitzgerald line did come from Bruree (sp ?) which is slightly north of the Kilfinnane area. On a side note, Maurice FitzGerald's wife was Margaret Regan/O'Regan. Ronald Reagan's roots are from the same area in Cork/Limerick as my husband's not Tipperary as the press at the time suggested. Apparently Reagan's advanced men saw some Reagan names in a cemetery near Tipperary and liked the pub in Tipperary so they claimed Reagan's roots were in Tipperary. We spoke with O'Regans in Limerick and Cork and one man told us his mother was Reagan's first cousin. In fact his mother and uncle (who was the family historian) met with Ronald Reagan during Reagan's visit. We're not sure if my husband's Regan roots are connected with Reagan. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald In a message dated 6/29/2009 3:07:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _clarehiggins@comcast.net_ (mailto:clarehiggins@comcast.net) writes: Hi, Nora. Actually I goofed. Fitzgerald is the correct name. When I first read the document I had trouble with the old fashioned handwriting and it looked like "Flyercate," which is a little nuts, but then I got a magnifying glass and looked more closely and realized I'd made a mistake, and it is actually Fitzgerald. I think you're right about "Joannes." It is most likely John, not Joan. About my ancestors' home towns: I only know that Morris Higgins was from County Mayo. One of my distant cousins told me. My grandfather's notes say he was from Kilfinnane, County Limerick, but I think he made a mistake. The marriage took place in Kilfinnane, and I know that most girls were married in their own parish, so it must have been my GGGM Catherine who was born there. Is your husband related to John Fitzgerald Kennedy? **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005)
(sexist comment coming in the name of humor) She took one look at him and immediately inventoried everything wrong with him. Jeff Erin James wrote: > It's interesting that the 1860 census taker had that flight of fancy and > called Jane Morse a "Clairvoyant Physician." You have to wonder why. Maybe > she said to the fellow, "bet I'm the first woman doctor you've counted!" and > he thought she was clairvoyant. There were so few woman doctors in those > days, I'm sure it was easier for him to think of her as a clairvoyant than > an actual doctor. > Just speculating! Erin > --- Original Message ----- > From: <ny-irish-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:01 AM > Subject: NY-IRISH Digest, Vol 4, Issue 109 > > > >> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, >> check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Anybody know Latin? (Elizabeth Lynch) >> 2. A bit of Census humor (Theresa Bora) >> 3. Re: A bit of Census humor (Pat Connors) >> 4. Re: A bit of Census humor (VOOLICH@aol.com) >> 5. Re: A bit of Census humor (Clare Higgins) >> 6. Re: A bit of Census humor (MizScarlettNY@aol.com) >> 7. Re: A bit of Census humor (VOOLICH@aol.com) >> 8. Re: A bit of Census humor (VOOLICH@aol.com) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:30:12 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Elizabeth Lynch <scribbler714@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Anybody know Latin? >> To: NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <406714.48650.qm@web36103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> >>>> "In matrimonio canonice conjuncti sunt a Rev. Bourke[?] Mauritius Higgins >>>> & >>>> >> Catherine Flanagan coram Cornelio Flanagan Joanne[?] Flyercate cum multis >> alies."<< >> >> Well, you already translated all the really important bits :) Here are >> some others: >> >> "coram" = in the presence of >> "cum multis alies" = "and many (or various) others" >> >> Liz >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:21:31 -0400 >> From: "Theresa Bora" <terrybora@wowway.com> >> Subject: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor >> To: "NY-IRISH-L" <NY-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com>, >> <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <005201c9f9a7$36486aa0$ab839543@Tipperary> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I thought you might enjoy this little bit of info...it brightened my >> otherwise dreary, gray and rainy day. While transcribing the 1865 Troy >> census today I came across an occupation for a Jane Morse. She was listed >> as 'Doctores(s)'. I needed to verify the surname, so I went to the 1860 >> US NY census. She's mis-indexed as Moore, but what really fascinated me >> was her occupation. The census taker must have had a flight of fancy >> because he has her listed as "Clairvoyant Physician'. By 1870 she's back >> to just plain 'Physician', but for one brief and shining moment in 1860, >> she was 'clairvoyant'. You have to love those census takers. >> Terry Bora in Mich. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:20:47 -0700 >> From: Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor >> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <e194a7930906301120h7794b02bi2b6ef59bd64e5e6e@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Terry has just shown what us transcribers find so much fun when >> reading all the census pages we read. It is more than finding family >> ancestors, or putting info onto spreadsheets, censuses give us a story >> over time of families/people we never knew. We often think about how >> they lived, what happened to their spouse, what kind of living >> conditions they had and then there are the various >> occupations....thanks Terry for sharing the doctor. >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Theresa Bora<terrybora@wowway.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I thought you might enjoy this little bit of info...it brightened my >>> otherwise dreary, gray and rainy day. While transcribing the 1865 Troy >>> census today I came across an occupation for a Jane Morse. She was >>> listed as 'Doctores(s)'. I needed to verify the surname, so I went to >>> the 1860 US NY census. She's mis-indexed as Moore, but what really >>> fascinated me was her occupation. The census taker must have had a >>> flight of fancy because he has her listed as "Clairvoyant Physician'. By >>> 1870 she's back to just plain 'Physician', but for one brief and shining >>> moment in 1860, she was 'clairvoyant'. You have to love those census >>> takers. >>> Terry Bora in Mich. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:53:08 EDT >> From: VOOLICH@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor >> To: nymets22@gmail.com, ny-irish@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <ccd.5a50d46e.377bb914@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >> >> I always frind the occupations interesting (also death certificates cause >> of death, I had one relative die of "exhaustion.") >> I have one ancestor who in the 1870 census is 86 (he lived until 91). >> His >> occupation is listed as "old man of the house"--Beers Radford, Middlebury >> CT. >> Erica >> >> In a message dated 6/30/09 2:21:37 PM, nymets22@gmail.com writes: >> >> >> >>> Terry has just shown what us transcribers find so much fun when >>> reading all the census pages we read.? It is more than finding family >>> ancestors, or putting info onto spreadsheets, censuses give us a story >>> over time of families/people we never knew.? We often think about how >>> they lived, what happened to their spouse, what kind of living >>> conditions they had and then there are the various >>> occupations....thanks Terry for sharing the doctor. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Theresa Bora<terrybora@wowway.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I thought you might enjoy this little bit of info...it brightened my >>>> >>> otherwise dreary, gray and rainy day. While transcribing the 1865 Troy >>> census >>> today I came across an occupation for a Jane Morse.? She was listed as >>> 'Doctores(s)'.? I needed to verify the surname, so I went to the 1860 US >>> NY >>> census.? She's mis-indexed as Moore, but what really fascinated me was >>> her >>> occupation.? The census taker must have had a flight of fancy because he >>> has >>> her listed as "Clairvoyant Physician'.? By 1870 she's back to just plain >>> 'Physician', but for one brief and shining moment in 1860, she was >>> 'clairvoyant'.? You have to love those census takers. >>> >>>> Terry Bora in Mich. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >>> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >>> >>> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >>> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.? Also, >>> check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:? >>> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ************** >> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy >> steps! >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& >> bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62) >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:21:15 -0400 >> From: "Clare Higgins" <clarehiggins@comcast.net> >> Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor >> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <132CF6432ECA42B8B8C8943870CF58C2@HIGGINS> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> "Old man of the house" -- that's funny! I find many of my ancestors listed >> simply as "laborer," and I wish it were more specific. >> >> Sometimes "exhaustion" as a cause of death is a general term for any >> condition that causes a fatal loss of strength. My great-grandmother's >> cause >> of death was listed as "asthenia (exhaustion)," and the details on the >> certificate said she died of hemorrhaging from a miscarriage, and that she >> also had TB. Her lungs must have been bleeding as well. The combination of >> the two literally drained her of life. She was only 37. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of VOOLICH@aol.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:53 PM >> To: nymets22@gmail.com; ny-irish@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor >> >> I always frind the occupations interesting (also death certificates cause >> of death, I had one relative die of "exhaustion.") >> I have one ancestor who in the 1870 census is 86 (he lived until 91). >> His >> occupation is listed as "old man of the house"--Beers Radford, Middlebury >> CT. >> Erica >> >> In a message dated 6/30/09 2:21:37 PM, nymets22@gmail.com writes: >> >> >> >>> Terry has just shown what us transcribers find so much fun when >>> reading all the census pages we read.? It is more than finding family >>> ancestors, or putting info onto spreadsheets, censuses give us a story >>> over time of families/people we never knew.? We often think about how >>> they lived, what happened to their spouse, what kind of living >>> conditions they had and then there are the various >>> occupations....thanks Terry for sharing the doctor. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Theresa Bora<terrybora@wowway.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I thought you might enjoy this little bit of info...it brightened my >>>> >>> otherwise dreary, gray and rainy day. While transcribing the 1865 Troy >>> >> census >> >>> today I came across an occupation for a Jane Morse.? She was listed as >>> 'Doctores(s)'.? I needed to verify the surname, so I went to the 1860 US >>> >> NY >> >>> census.? She's mis-indexed as Moore, but what really fascinated me was >>> her >>> >>> occupation.? The census taker must have had a flight of fancy because he >>> >> has >> >>> her listed as "Clairvoyant Physician'.? By 1870 she's back to just plain >>> 'Physician', but for one brief and shining moment in 1860, she was >>> 'clairvoyant'.? You have to love those census takers. >>> >>>> Terry Bora in Mich. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >>> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >>> >>> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >>> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.? Also, >>> check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:? >>> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >> quotes in the subject and >> >>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ************** >> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy >> steps! >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=htt >> p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& >> bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62) >> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. 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See >> yours in just 2 easy steps! >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc= >> 668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62) >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:53:00 EDT >> From: VOOLICH@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor >> To: clarehiggins@comcast.net, ny-irish@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <d45.4bb26b25.377c1b7c@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> How sad! >> May she rest in peace. >> Erica >> In a message dated 6/30/09 3:22:00 PM, clarehiggins@comcast.net writes: >> >> >> >>> "Old man of the house" -- that's funny! I find many of my ancestors >>> listed >>> simply as "laborer," and I wish it were more specific. >>> >>> Sometimes "exhaustion" as a cause of death is a general term for any >>> condition that causes a fatal loss of strength. My great-grandmother's >>> cause >>> of death was listed as "asthenia (exhaustion)," and the details on the >>> certificate said she died of hemorrhaging from a miscarriage, and that >>> she >>> also had TB. Her lungs must have been bleeding as well. The combination >>> of >>> the two literally drained her of life. She was only 37. >>> >>> >> >> >> ************** >> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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Looking for more info on the following people who lived in Brooklyn: Eliza Kane b. 1861 NYC, parents b. Ireland. married 1) Hugh Ward 1879. children: Hugh (1884) Charles (1886) Nellie (1890) married 2) George Reilly 1895. children: May (1896) Eliza (1900) Hugh Ward b. 1859 Brooklyn, parents b. Ireland. died about 1892. John McNulty b. abt 1844 Ireland, died 1906. married Mary Taggart. children: John jr (1874) Mary Frances (1879) Joseph (1881) Agnes (1884) William (1889) Mary Taggart b. abt 1851 ireland, died 1914. parents: John Taggart and Bridget Quinn Any help appreciated Anna Caulfield acaulfield182@yahoo.com "My grandmother was an illegal alien"
It's interesting that the 1860 census taker had that flight of fancy and called Jane Morse a "Clairvoyant Physician." You have to wonder why. Maybe she said to the fellow, "bet I'm the first woman doctor you've counted!" and he thought she was clairvoyant. There were so few woman doctors in those days, I'm sure it was easier for him to think of her as a clairvoyant than an actual doctor. Just speculating! Erin --- Original Message ----- From: <ny-irish-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:01 AM Subject: NY-IRISH Digest, Vol 4, Issue 109 > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Anybody know Latin? (Elizabeth Lynch) > 2. A bit of Census humor (Theresa Bora) > 3. Re: A bit of Census humor (Pat Connors) > 4. Re: A bit of Census humor (VOOLICH@aol.com) > 5. Re: A bit of Census humor (Clare Higgins) > 6. Re: A bit of Census humor (MizScarlettNY@aol.com) > 7. Re: A bit of Census humor (VOOLICH@aol.com) > 8. Re: A bit of Census humor (VOOLICH@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:30:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Elizabeth Lynch <scribbler714@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Anybody know Latin? > To: NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <406714.48650.qm@web36103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >>>"In matrimonio canonice conjuncti sunt a Rev. Bourke[?] Mauritius Higgins >>>& > Catherine Flanagan coram Cornelio Flanagan Joanne[?] Flyercate cum multis > alies."<< > > Well, you already translated all the really important bits :) Here are > some others: > > "coram" = in the presence of > "cum multis alies" = "and many (or various) others" > > Liz > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:21:31 -0400 > From: "Theresa Bora" <terrybora@wowway.com> > Subject: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor > To: "NY-IRISH-L" <NY-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com>, > <ny-troy-irish-gensoc@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <005201c9f9a7$36486aa0$ab839543@Tipperary> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I thought you might enjoy this little bit of info...it brightened my > otherwise dreary, gray and rainy day. While transcribing the 1865 Troy > census today I came across an occupation for a Jane Morse. She was listed > as 'Doctores(s)'. I needed to verify the surname, so I went to the 1860 > US NY census. She's mis-indexed as Moore, but what really fascinated me > was her occupation. The census taker must have had a flight of fancy > because he has her listed as "Clairvoyant Physician'. By 1870 she's back > to just plain 'Physician', but for one brief and shining moment in 1860, > she was 'clairvoyant'. You have to love those census takers. > Terry Bora in Mich. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:20:47 -0700 > From: Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor > To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <e194a7930906301120h7794b02bi2b6ef59bd64e5e6e@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Terry has just shown what us transcribers find so much fun when > reading all the census pages we read. It is more than finding family > ancestors, or putting info onto spreadsheets, censuses give us a story > over time of families/people we never knew. We often think about how > they lived, what happened to their spouse, what kind of living > conditions they had and then there are the various > occupations....thanks Terry for sharing the doctor. > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Theresa Bora<terrybora@wowway.com> > wrote: >> I thought you might enjoy this little bit of info...it brightened my >> otherwise dreary, gray and rainy day. While transcribing the 1865 Troy >> census today I came across an occupation for a Jane Morse. She was >> listed as 'Doctores(s)'. I needed to verify the surname, so I went to >> the 1860 US NY census. She's mis-indexed as Moore, but what really >> fascinated me was her occupation. The census taker must have had a >> flight of fancy because he has her listed as "Clairvoyant Physician'. By >> 1870 she's back to just plain 'Physician', but for one brief and shining >> moment in 1860, she was 'clairvoyant'. You have to love those census >> takers. >> Terry Bora in Mich. > > > > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:53:08 EDT > From: VOOLICH@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor > To: nymets22@gmail.com, ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <ccd.5a50d46e.377bb914@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > I always frind the occupations interesting (also death certificates cause > of death, I had one relative die of "exhaustion.") > I have one ancestor who in the 1870 census is 86 (he lived until 91). > His > occupation is listed as "old man of the house"--Beers Radford, Middlebury > CT. > Erica > > In a message dated 6/30/09 2:21:37 PM, nymets22@gmail.com writes: > > >> Terry has just shown what us transcribers find so much fun when >> reading all the census pages we read.? It is more than finding family >> ancestors, or putting info onto spreadsheets, censuses give us a story >> over time of families/people we never knew.? We often think about how >> they lived, what happened to their spouse, what kind of living >> conditions they had and then there are the various >> occupations....thanks Terry for sharing the doctor. >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Theresa Bora<terrybora@wowway.com> >> wrote: >> > I thought you might enjoy this little bit of info...it brightened my >> otherwise dreary, gray and rainy day. While transcribing the 1865 Troy >> census >> today I came across an occupation for a Jane Morse.? She was listed as >> 'Doctores(s)'.? I needed to verify the surname, so I went to the 1860 US >> NY >> census.? She's mis-indexed as Moore, but what really fascinated me was >> her >> occupation.? The census taker must have had a flight of fancy because he >> has >> her listed as "Clairvoyant Physician'.? By 1870 she's back to just plain >> 'Physician', but for one brief and shining moment in 1860, she was >> 'clairvoyant'.? You have to love those census takers. >> > Terry Bora in Mich. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >> >> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.? Also, >> check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:? >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& > bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:21:15 -0400 > From: "Clare Higgins" <clarehiggins@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor > To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <132CF6432ECA42B8B8C8943870CF58C2@HIGGINS> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > "Old man of the house" -- that's funny! I find many of my ancestors listed > simply as "laborer," and I wish it were more specific. > > Sometimes "exhaustion" as a cause of death is a general term for any > condition that causes a fatal loss of strength. My great-grandmother's > cause > of death was listed as "asthenia (exhaustion)," and the details on the > certificate said she died of hemorrhaging from a miscarriage, and that she > also had TB. Her lungs must have been bleeding as well. The combination of > the two literally drained her of life. She was only 37. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of VOOLICH@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:53 PM > To: nymets22@gmail.com; ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor > > I always frind the occupations interesting (also death certificates cause > of death, I had one relative die of "exhaustion.") > I have one ancestor who in the 1870 census is 86 (he lived until 91). > His > occupation is listed as "old man of the house"--Beers Radford, Middlebury > CT. > Erica > > In a message dated 6/30/09 2:21:37 PM, nymets22@gmail.com writes: > > >> Terry has just shown what us transcribers find so much fun when >> reading all the census pages we read.? It is more than finding family >> ancestors, or putting info onto spreadsheets, censuses give us a story >> over time of families/people we never knew.? We often think about how >> they lived, what happened to their spouse, what kind of living >> conditions they had and then there are the various >> occupations....thanks Terry for sharing the doctor. >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Theresa Bora<terrybora@wowway.com> >> wrote: >> > I thought you might enjoy this little bit of info...it brightened my >> otherwise dreary, gray and rainy day. While transcribing the 1865 Troy > census >> today I came across an occupation for a Jane Morse.? She was listed as >> 'Doctores(s)'.? I needed to verify the surname, so I went to the 1860 US > NY >> census.? She's mis-indexed as Moore, but what really fascinated me was >> her > >> occupation.? The census taker must have had a flight of fancy because he > has >> her listed as "Clairvoyant Physician'.? By 1870 she's back to just plain >> 'Physician', but for one brief and shining moment in 1860, she was >> 'clairvoyant'.? You have to love those census takers. >> > Terry Bora in Mich. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >> >> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.? Also, >> check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:? >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=htt > p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& > bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62) > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:00:29 EDT > From: MizScarlettNY@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor > To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c66.566bdab9.377bd6ed@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > My favorite occupational find, for two 50+ yr old women in the same family > was "Lady of Leisure." > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See > yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc= > 668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:53:00 EDT > From: VOOLICH@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor > To: clarehiggins@comcast.net, ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d45.4bb26b25.377c1b7c@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > How sad! > May she rest in peace. > Erica > In a message dated 6/30/09 3:22:00 PM, clarehiggins@comcast.net writes: > > >> "Old man of the house" -- that's funny! I find many of my ancestors >> listed >> simply as "laborer," and I wish it were more specific. >> >> Sometimes "exhaustion" as a cause of death is a general term for any >> condition that causes a fatal loss of strength. My great-grandmother's >> cause >> of death was listed as "asthenia (exhaustion)," and the details on the >> certificate said she died of hemorrhaging from a miscarriage, and that >> she >> also had TB. Her lungs must have been bleeding as well. The combination >> of >> the two literally drained her of life. She was only 37. >> > > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& > bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:54:10 EDT > From: VOOLICH@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor > To: MizScarlettNY@aol.com, ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bd0.56b247aa.377c1bc2@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I'd love to try that occupation! > Erica > In a message dated 6/30/09 5:08:14 PM, MizScarlettNY@aol.com writes: > > >> My favorite occupational find, for two 50+ yr old women in the same >> family >> was "Lady of Leisure." >> > > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& > bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62) > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NY-IRISH list administrator, send an email to > NY-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NY-IRISH mailing list, send an email to > NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NY-IRISH Digest, Vol 4, Issue 109 > **************************************** >
I'd love to try that occupation! Erica In a message dated 6/30/09 5:08:14 PM, MizScarlettNY@aol.com writes: > My favorite occupational find, for two 50+ yr old women in the same > family > was "Lady of Leisure." > ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62)
How sad! May she rest in peace. Erica In a message dated 6/30/09 3:22:00 PM, clarehiggins@comcast.net writes: > "Old man of the house" -- that's funny! I find many of my ancestors > listed > simply as "laborer," and I wish it were more specific. > > Sometimes "exhaustion" as a cause of death is a general term for any > condition that causes a fatal loss of strength. My great-grandmother's > cause > of death was listed as "asthenia (exhaustion)," and the details on the > certificate said she died of hemorrhaging from a miscarriage, and that she > also had TB. Her lungs must have been bleeding as well. The combination of > the two literally drained her of life. She was only 37. > ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62)
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"Old man of the house" -- that's funny! I find many of my ancestors listed simply as "laborer," and I wish it were more specific. Sometimes "exhaustion" as a cause of death is a general term for any condition that causes a fatal loss of strength. My great-grandmother's cause of death was listed as "asthenia (exhaustion)," and the details on the certificate said she died of hemorrhaging from a miscarriage, and that she also had TB. Her lungs must have been bleeding as well. The combination of the two literally drained her of life. She was only 37. -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of VOOLICH@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:53 PM To: nymets22@gmail.com; ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] A bit of Census humor I always frind the occupations interesting (also death certificates cause of death, I had one relative die of "exhaustion.") I have one ancestor who in the 1870 census is 86 (he lived until 91). His occupation is listed as "old man of the house"--Beers Radford, Middlebury CT. Erica In a message dated 6/30/09 2:21:37 PM, nymets22@gmail.com writes: > Terry has just shown what us transcribers find so much fun when > reading all the census pages we read. It is more than finding family > ancestors, or putting info onto spreadsheets, censuses give us a story > over time of families/people we never knew. We often think about how > they lived, what happened to their spouse, what kind of living > conditions they had and then there are the various > occupations....thanks Terry for sharing the doctor. > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Theresa Bora<terrybora@wowway.com> > wrote: > > I thought you might enjoy this little bit of info...it brightened my > otherwise dreary, gray and rainy day. While transcribing the 1865 Troy census > today I came across an occupation for a Jane Morse. She was listed as > 'Doctores(s)'. I needed to verify the surname, so I went to the 1860 US NY > census. She's mis-indexed as Moore, but what really fascinated me was her > occupation. The census taker must have had a flight of fancy because he has > her listed as "Clairvoyant Physician'. By 1870 she's back to just plain > 'Physician', but for one brief and shining moment in 1860, she was > 'clairvoyant'. You have to love those census takers. > > Terry Bora in Mich. > > > > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62) ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I always frind the occupations interesting (also death certificates cause of death, I had one relative die of "exhaustion.") I have one ancestor who in the 1870 census is 86 (he lived until 91). His occupation is listed as "old man of the house"--Beers Radford, Middlebury CT. Erica In a message dated 6/30/09 2:21:37 PM, nymets22@gmail.com writes: > Terry has just shown what us transcribers find so much fun when > reading all the census pages we read. It is more than finding family > ancestors, or putting info onto spreadsheets, censuses give us a story > over time of families/people we never knew. We often think about how > they lived, what happened to their spouse, what kind of living > conditions they had and then there are the various > occupations....thanks Terry for sharing the doctor. > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Theresa Bora<terrybora@wowway.com> > wrote: > > I thought you might enjoy this little bit of info...it brightened my > otherwise dreary, gray and rainy day. While transcribing the 1865 Troy census > today I came across an occupation for a Jane Morse. She was listed as > 'Doctores(s)'. I needed to verify the surname, so I went to the 1860 US NY > census. She's mis-indexed as Moore, but what really fascinated me was her > occupation. The census taker must have had a flight of fancy because he has > her listed as "Clairvoyant Physician'. By 1870 she's back to just plain > 'Physician', but for one brief and shining moment in 1860, she was > 'clairvoyant'. You have to love those census takers. > > Terry Bora in Mich. > > > > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=JunestepsfooterNO62)
I thought you might enjoy this little bit of info...it brightened my otherwise dreary, gray and rainy day. While transcribing the 1865 Troy census today I came across an occupation for a Jane Morse. She was listed as 'Doctores(s)'. I needed to verify the surname, so I went to the 1860 US NY census. She's mis-indexed as Moore, but what really fascinated me was her occupation. The census taker must have had a flight of fancy because he has her listed as "Clairvoyant Physician'. By 1870 she's back to just plain 'Physician', but for one brief and shining moment in 1860, she was 'clairvoyant'. You have to love those census takers. Terry Bora in Mich.
Terry has just shown what us transcribers find so much fun when reading all the census pages we read. It is more than finding family ancestors, or putting info onto spreadsheets, censuses give us a story over time of families/people we never knew. We often think about how they lived, what happened to their spouse, what kind of living conditions they had and then there are the various occupations....thanks Terry for sharing the doctor. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Theresa Bora<terrybora@wowway.com> wrote: > I thought you might enjoy this little bit of info...it brightened my otherwise dreary, gray and rainy day. While transcribing the 1865 Troy census today I came across an occupation for a Jane Morse. She was listed as 'Doctores(s)'. I needed to verify the surname, so I went to the 1860 US NY census. She's mis-indexed as Moore, but what really fascinated me was her occupation. The census taker must have had a flight of fancy because he has her listed as "Clairvoyant Physician'. By 1870 she's back to just plain 'Physician', but for one brief and shining moment in 1860, she was 'clairvoyant'. You have to love those census takers. > Terry Bora in Mich. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com
>>"In matrimonio canonice conjuncti sunt a Rev. Bourke[?] Mauritius Higgins & Catherine Flanagan coram Cornelio Flanagan Joanne[?] Flyercate cum multis alies."<< Well, you already translated all the really important bits :) Here are some others: "coram" = in the presence of "cum multis alies" = "and many (or various) others" Liz