Sorry I misspoke....Washington St in Manhattan is also literally on the water, lower Manhattan, Hudson River, west side. > From: kin-hunter25@cox.net > To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:51:56 -0500 > Subject: [NY-IRISH] Need help/suggestions for a tough genealogical search/brickwall > > I need some help/suggestions from you experienced genealogists involving a really big brickwall. > > My grandfather once told me that when his family came over from Ireland (Co Roscommon) to New York in the mid-1860s and then on almost immediately to Illinois, they left behind in New York other members of his father's family; however, he never said their names of if he did, I have no memory of them. I do not know anything about his father's family and am trying to trace them in both New York and Ireland. This request pertains only to New York. > > His father, Patrick Higgins, came over ahead of his wife and children in 1863 and informtion in the Emigrants' Saving Bank Enrties indict that he was working as a long shoreman and living at 57 Washington St, no city given. I am told that there is/was a 57 Washington Street in both New York City and Brooklyn at that time, so I'm not sure of which city Washington Street would have been in. The only other clue is that the family no doubt was Catholic. > > Then I found this little notice in the newspaper from Decatur, Illinois. Newspaper article, Decatur (Illinois) Daily Review, 14 Aug 1927 indicates that a Miss Nellie Higgins of Brooklyn, NY was the guest of Mr and Mrs Edward Higgins, 1052 East Eldorado St. > Edward Higgins was my grandfather and I'm thinking that Nellie Higgins may be a descendant of the family left behind in New York. Finding information about her and her family is the only hint I have. > > How would you go about following up on this lead with the little information I have? I have no living relatives that can shed any light. I've tried Federal census without much success and have been told that city directories aren't available. Who knows if she had a phone and if so, how it was listed. I'm stuck. > > kin-hunter25@cox.net Oklahoma > > > > > > > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports

Your Washington St. is in Brooklyn, right next to the Brooklyn Bridge which makes sense for a dock worker. Kelly Gray NYC > From: kin-hunter25@cox.net > To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:51:56 -0500 > Subject: [NY-IRISH] Need help/suggestions for a tough genealogical search/brickwall > > I need some help/suggestions from you experienced genealogists involving a really big brickwall. > > My grandfather once told me that when his family came over from Ireland (Co Roscommon) to New York in the mid-1860s and then on almost immediately to Illinois, they left behind in New York other members of his father's family; however, he never said their names of if he did, I have no memory of them. I do not know anything about his father's family and am trying to trace them in both New York and Ireland. This request pertains only to New York. > > His father, Patrick Higgins, came over ahead of his wife and children in 1863 and informtion in the Emigrants' Saving Bank Enrties indict that he was working as a long shoreman and living at 57 Washington St, no city given. I am told that there is/was a 57 Washington Street in both New York City and Brooklyn at that time, so I'm not sure of which city Washington Street would have been in. The only other clue is that the family no doubt was Catholic. > > Then I found this little notice in the newspaper from Decatur, Illinois. Newspaper article, Decatur (Illinois) Daily Review, 14 Aug 1927 indicates that a Miss Nellie Higgins of Brooklyn, NY was the guest of Mr and Mrs Edward Higgins, 1052 East Eldorado St. > Edward Higgins was my grandfather and I'm thinking that Nellie Higgins may be a descendant of the family left behind in New York. Finding information about her and her family is the only hint I have. > > How would you go about following up on this lead with the little information I have? I have no living relatives that can shed any light. I've tried Federal census without much success and have been told that city directories aren't available. Who knows if she had a phone and if so, how it was listed. I'm stuck. > > kin-hunter25@cox.net Oklahoma > > > > > > > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ SkyDrive™: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009

Pat, Don't know if this will help or not, but a relative of mine was living onCharles St, between Greenwich & Washington Sts in NYC in 1870.  &th Election District, 9th Ward, County of NY, State of NY  Her parents, my great greats, were also living in the same ED.  I know at some point it was Washington St, but I can't seem to find the paper, so I am not sure of the year, but I am assuming in 1870.  I just looked thru the pages of the census of 1870 that I copied & there aren't any HIGGINS' on them... oops...just found that on MY great greats ESB records his acct was #1898, it lists corner of Washington St  & Hammersley St, (which is now Houston St,  between Mc Dougal & Hudson River).  This is Manhattan. My Gr GR GPA, Michael MORAN opened his ESB acct April 3, 1852   Jeanine NJ --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Pat Jones <kin-hunter25@cox.net> wrote: From: Pat Jones <kin-hunter25@cox.net> Subject: [NY-IRISH] Need help/suggestions for a tough genealogical search/brickwall To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 10:51 AM I need some help/suggestions from you experienced genealogists involving a really big brickwall. My grandfather once told me that when his family came over from Ireland (Co Roscommon) to New York in the mid-1860s and then on almost immediately to Illinois, they left behind in New York other members of his father's family; however, he never said their names of if he did, I have no memory of them.  I do not know anything about his father's family and am trying to trace them in both New York and Ireland.  This request pertains only to New York. His father, Patrick Higgins, came over ahead of his wife and children in 1863 and informtion in the Emigrants' Saving Bank Enrties indict that he was working as a long shoreman and living at 57 Washington St, no city given.  I am told that there is/was a 57 Washington Street in both New York City and Brooklyn at that time, so I'm not sure of which city Washington Street would have been in.  The only other clue is that the family no doubt was Catholic.  Then I found this little notice in the newspaper from Decatur, Illinois.  Newspaper article, Decatur (Illinois) Daily Review, 14 Aug 1927 indicates that a Miss Nellie Higgins of Brooklyn, NY was the guest of Mr and Mrs Edward Higgins, 1052 East Eldorado St. Edward Higgins was my grandfather and I'm thinking that Nellie Higgins may be a descendant of the family left behind in New York.  Finding information about her and her family is the only hint I have. How would you go about following up on this lead with the little information I have? I have no living relatives that can shed any light.  I've tried Federal census without much success and have been told that city directories aren't available.  Who knows if she had a phone and if so, how it was listed.  I'm stuck. kin-hunter25@cox.net Oklahoma ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

City directories are available on Footnote for both Brooklyn (starting in 1862) and New York City (from 1786). Brooklyn addresses can also appear on the NYC directories. Footnote is available at most Church of Latter Day Saints Family History Centers and you can also purchase a subscription for one month at a low cost. Ancestry has quite a few years available but not the 1860's range you're looking for. Another possibility would be to search the Brooklyn Daily Eagle to see if you can find mention of Nellie. It is available online at the fultonhistory.com site. It sounds like you don't have the names of your gr-grandparents from your grandfather's death certificate? If you had that, you could pay for a search through the Roscommon Genealogy Centre. I always thought I didn't have enough information, but I was able to get some great results from the Cavan Genealogy Centre, and it was well worth the fee. Without the gr-grandparent names and with the siblings living/buried in two separate cities, it would be hard to match a Brooklyn Higgins to your grandfather. Is there any possibility of someone in your family having cards or letters belonging to your grandparents? Or a listing of gifts or guests at your father's wedding? Usually godparents would be a good clue but in your case, I doubt someone would have made the trip from New York to Illinois. Good luck! Melanie Orlando

Hi List, Where would i find where this church, Bethel, a protestant episcopal was in 1855. I know it was in lower manhattan. Patricia IN .

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: "ny irish" <ny-irish-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: [NY-IRISH] Ita Cotter >> I'm sorry it took me so long to reply to you. Has anyone turned >> up anything of interest for you in your search for Ita? > > Terry, you are wonderful! I saw the email and thought she probably > married and didn't even think about searching on her first name which is > not a common name like Mary. Thank you for caring to take the time to > help our Irish poster. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please let me know how to contact County Clare Men's Association New York City. Thank you, Annie

Listers, I'm so sorry...these two post were supposed to go to Joan Golding, off-List. I must have had a senior moment. I know attachments can't go to the List. Again, my apologies. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Bora" <terrybora@wowway.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Ita Cotter > Joan, Ita's husband, John Cohee is the last entry on this page. > > Terry >

I need some help/suggestions from you experienced genealogists involving a really big brickwall. My grandfather once told me that when his family came over from Ireland (Co Roscommon) to New York in the mid-1860s and then on almost immediately to Illinois, they left behind in New York other members of his father's family; however, he never said their names of if he did, I have no memory of them. I do not know anything about his father's family and am trying to trace them in both New York and Ireland. This request pertains only to New York. His father, Patrick Higgins, came over ahead of his wife and children in 1863 and informtion in the Emigrants' Saving Bank Enrties indict that he was working as a long shoreman and living at 57 Washington St, no city given. I am told that there is/was a 57 Washington Street in both New York City and Brooklyn at that time, so I'm not sure of which city Washington Street would have been in. The only other clue is that the family no doubt was Catholic. Then I found this little notice in the newspaper from Decatur, Illinois. Newspaper article, Decatur (Illinois) Daily Review, 14 Aug 1927 indicates that a Miss Nellie Higgins of Brooklyn, NY was the guest of Mr and Mrs Edward Higgins, 1052 East Eldorado St. Edward Higgins was my grandfather and I'm thinking that Nellie Higgins may be a descendant of the family left behind in New York. Finding information about her and her family is the only hint I have. How would you go about following up on this lead with the little information I have? I have no living relatives that can shed any light. I've tried Federal census without much success and have been told that city directories aren't available. Who knows if she had a phone and if so, how it was listed. I'm stuck. kin-hunter25@cox.net Oklahoma

There's a lot of good information on NYC, particularly Brooklyn, on the Brooklyn GenWeb site.  The URL is http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/  There are links there to BMD databases that have been put together by various genealogy groups, and there are also excerpts from newspapers, city directories, etc.  I've found out a great deal about my Brooklyn ancestors using this site.  You can search the site for the last name, to start with, and see what comes up.  Anna Caulfield ________________________________ From: Pat Jones <kin-hunter25@cox.net> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 10:51:56 AM Subject: [NY-IRISH] Need help/suggestions for a tough genealogical search/brickwall I need some help/suggestions from you experienced genealogists involving a really big brickwall. My grandfather once told me that when his family came over from Ireland (Co Roscommon) to New York in the mid-1860s and then on almost immediately to Illinois, they left behind in New York other members of his father's family; however, he never said their names of if he did, I have no memory of them.  I do not know anything about his father's family and am trying to trace them in both New York and Ireland.  This request pertains only to New York. His father, Patrick Higgins, came over ahead of his wife and children in 1863 and informtion in the Emigrants' Saving Bank Enrties indict that he was working as a long shoreman and living at 57 Washington St, no city given.  I am told that there is/was a 57 Washington Street in both New York City and Brooklyn at that time, so I'm not sure of which city Washington Street would have been in.  The only other clue is that the family no doubt was Catholic.  Then I found this little notice in the newspaper from Decatur, Illinois.  Newspaper article, Decatur (Illinois) Daily Review, 14 Aug 1927 indicates that a Miss Nellie Higgins of Brooklyn, NY was the guest of Mr and Mrs Edward Higgins, 1052 East Eldorado St. Edward Higgins was my grandfather and I'm thinking that Nellie Higgins may be a descendant of the family left behind in New York.  Finding information about her and her family is the only hint I have. How would you go about following up on this lead with the little information I have? I have no living relatives that can shed any light.  I've tried Federal census without much success and have been told that city directories aren't available.  Who knows if she had a phone and if so, how it was listed.  I'm stuck. kin-hunter25@cox.net Oklahoma ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would look at the 1870 Census, and a 1865 NY Census if one is available. I would start looking at the Brooklyn address, and don't forget to check neighboring households. Google search the address and see if anything comes up as to current residents, type of business, etc. Sometimes a history of the property owners can be had from a Title search done at the last sale. Whoever is there now may have the Title search results. Jeff Pat Jones wrote: > I need some help/suggestions from you experienced genealogists involving a really big brickwall. > > My grandfather once told me that when his family came over from Ireland (Co Roscommon) to New York in the mid-1860s and then on almost immediately to Illinois, they left behind in New York other members of his father's family; however, he never said their names of if he did, I have no memory of them. I do not know anything about his father's family and am trying to trace them in both New York and Ireland. This request pertains only to New York. > > His father, Patrick Higgins, came over ahead of his wife and children in 1863 and informtion in the Emigrants' Saving Bank Enrties indict that he was working as a long shoreman and living at 57 Washington St, no city given. I am told that there is/was a 57 Washington Street in both New York City and Brooklyn at that time, so I'm not sure of which city Washington Street would have been in. The only other clue is that the family no doubt was Catholic. > > Then I found this little notice in the newspaper from Decatur, Illinois. Newspaper article, Decatur (Illinois) Daily Review, 14 Aug 1927 indicates that a Miss Nellie Higgins of Brooklyn, NY was the guest of Mr and Mrs Edward Higgins, 1052 East Eldorado St. > Edward Higgins was my grandfather and I'm thinking that Nellie Higgins may be a descendant of the family left behind in New York. Finding information about her and her family is the only hint I have. > > How would you go about following up on this lead with the little information I have? I have no living relatives that can shed any light. I've tried Federal census without much success and have been told that city directories aren't available. Who knows if she had a phone and if so, how it was listed. I'm stuck. > > kin-hunter25@cox.net Oklahoma > > > > > > > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.19/2245 - Release Date: 07/18/09 05:57:00 > > -- Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG Flockmaster, International Blacksheep Society of Genealogists http://ibssg.org/blacksheep/ http://bsmeadow.blogspot.com/ Blacksheep's Meadow http://www.flickr.com/photos/7764576@N05/ Photostream http://ibssg.org/usgenweb-proposal-bylaws/ "The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

Thank you that would be great. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Bora" <terrybora@wowway.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Ita Cotter > Hi Joan. I'm sorry it took me so long to reply to you. Has anyone turned > up anything of interest for you in your search for Ita? I can see from > your > email address that you live in Ireland, so I don't know what resources > you've already accessed here in the States. > > I found one Ita in the 1930 US census who could possibly match yours. The > birth year is off by a year, but she is from Ireland and has married a man > name John Cohee. They're living in the Bronx, NY and have two sons. He's > about 11 yrs. older than her and has a 15 yr. old son from a prior > marriage. > > If you don't have this information already, I'd be glad to scan and send > the census image to you. > > Terry Bora in Michigan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joangolding" <joangolding@eircom.net> > To: <NY-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:55 AM > Subject: [NY-IRISH] Ita Cotter > > >> Looking for any information on Ita Cotter from Camas Newcastle West born >> 1905 went to New York in 1925 on Baltic with her brother William can find >> no trace of her after that can anyone please help. > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joan, Ita's husband, John Cohee is the last entry on this page. Terry

Joan, there are two images. I'll send them in two separate emails. Ita and the children are at the top of the page. I hope you don't have trouble opening the images. I have a good anti-virus program, so you don't have to worry about that. If you think this may be her, let me know. I'll then see what I can find on her two sons, John & Thomas. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "joangolding" <joangolding@eircom.net> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Ita Cotter > Thank you that would be great. Thank you > -----

Hi Joan. I'm sorry it took me so long to reply to you. Has anyone turned up anything of interest for you in your search for Ita? I can see from your email address that you live in Ireland, so I don't know what resources you've already accessed here in the States. I found one Ita in the 1930 US census who could possibly match yours. The birth year is off by a year, but she is from Ireland and has married a man name John Cohee. They're living in the Bronx, NY and have two sons. He's about 11 yrs. older than her and has a 15 yr. old son from a prior marriage. If you don't have this information already, I'd be glad to scan and send the census image to you. Terry Bora in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "joangolding" <joangolding@eircom.net> To: <NY-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: [NY-IRISH] Ita Cotter > Looking for any information on Ita Cotter from Camas Newcastle West born > 1905 went to New York in 1925 on Baltic with her brother William can find > no trace of her after that can anyone please help.

> I'm sorry it took me so long to reply to you. Has anyone turned > up anything of interest for you in your search for Ita? Terry, you are wonderful! I saw the email and thought she probably married and didn't even think about searching on her first name which is not a common name like Mary. Thank you for caring to take the time to help our Irish poster. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

If you know his date of birth, try the social security death index for him at www.rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: A Stapf <ASTAPF@nycap.rr.com> To: NY-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:01 pm Subject: [NY-IRISH] James P McMahon Bronx 1949 I am looking for info on my father. He came to the Bronx in 1949, sponsored by Patrick Doherty, his uncle. Was in the Korean War. I have recently found some family members but no one seems to know what happened to him after 1963. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Anne Marie ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for info on my father. He came to the Bronx in 1949, sponsored by Patrick Doherty, his uncle. Was in the Korean War. I have recently found some family members but no one seems to know what happened to him after 1963. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Anne Marie

Moss and Mossie are common nicknames for Maurice. My uncle only ever goes by Mossie,  but is officially Maurice. I can  remember when my aunt married him, my sister and I howled with laughter at the idea of someone names Mossie, as we envisioned someone covered in moist furry green stuff. Of course, we were only 5 or 6. Edel Codd, Tralee In Kerry/Dingle Peninsula: ASHE-Camp & Ballyknockane, & related; BROSNAN-Dingle Town, & related; CAVANAUGH–Holyoke, MA area (related to BROSNAN) In Wexford: CODD, Woodlands & Carne, & related; FARDY, Coolboy, Gusserane, & related; PRESCOTT – Albany, NY --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Irishcolleen45@aol.com <Irishcolleen45@aol.com> wrote: From: Irishcolleen45@aol.com <Irishcolleen45@aol.com> Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Verifying Birth Dates To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 8:04 AM Hi Clare, Just want to mention that Morris may also be Maurice. My husband's family  has Maurice and the name is pronounced as "moss". That's how his first cousin,  Maurice FitzGerald, pronounces his given name. His father and great  grandfather pronounced it the same way. Nora

Hi Clare, Just want to mention that Morris may also be Maurice. My husband's family has Maurice and the name is pronounced as "moss". That's how his first cousin, Maurice FitzGerald, pronounces his given name. His father and great grandfather pronounced it the same way. Nora In a message dated 7/6/2009 3:07:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _clarehiggins@comcast.net_ (mailto:clarehiggins@comcast.net) writes: Hi, folks. I have a lot of family history research notes that I inherited from my grandfather. On one page it says that my great-great-grandfather, Morris Higgins, was born c. 1815-1820 in Ireland. I've managed to find a lot of stuff about him but was told by a Dublin researcher that no baptism records exist from that time period. I also noticed that in Grandpa's notes, it said Morris' father was born in 1790 and his grandfather in 1765. They were both also called Morris. I don't see how Grandpa could have known this. There's no indication of where he obtained this info. He may have simply asked his father. The answer to my next question is more than likely "no," but I'm taking a shot anyhow. Is there any way I can verify these 1765 and 1790 dates? Thanks. Clare Higgins **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove00000001)