>> The "house" number is just the order in which the houses were visited. It links from / to the Forms N, A, and B on the 1911 census, but not beyond that -- not to the 1901 house number or the Griffith's Valuation number, etc. If you have the GV map and some knowledge of your townland's history and people, you can usually figure it out, but there's no magic recipe. Claire K seekay@comcast.net >> This is great. A question... when a census results gives you the >> number of a house, for example, Residents of house number 2 in >> Bunavie >> (Grean, Limerick), how do you find what property that is? >>
Thanks! This is great. On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Pat Connors wrote: > I wish I could help you, John, but don't have your answer. Maybe some > of the literature about the census on the Archives of Ireland website > might help. Or maybe a question to the Limerick mailing list might > get you an answer better than this. > > > > >> >> This is great. A question... when a census results gives you the >> number of a house, for example, Residents of house number 2 in >> Bunavie >> (Grean, Limerick), how do you find what property that is? >> > > > > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message
Pat, This is great. A question... when a census results gives you the number of a house, for example, Residents of house number 2 in Bunavie (Grean, Limerick), how do you find what property that is? Thanks, John On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Pat Connors wrote: > It is finally online for all 32 counties and fully searchable: > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message
I wish I could help you, John, but don't have your answer. Maybe some of the literature about the census on the Archives of Ireland website might help. Or maybe a question to the Limerick mailing list might get you an answer better than this. > > This is great. A question... when a census results gives you the > number of a house, for example, Residents of house number 2 in Bunavie > (Grean, Limerick), how do you find what property that is? > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com
Congrats Pat!!! What was the name of the church you found? Kelly ---------------------------------------- > To: NY-IRISH-D@rootsweb.com > From: carmodyp@bellsouth.net > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:49:49 -0400 > Subject: [NY-IRISH] Wonderful story > > What a wonderful and heart warming story from the lady from Kentucky > who found her sister In Ireland. I think I have an idea of how she > feels. > When I was very young, about 6 years old, I over heard my parents > talking about a situation and being very upset. I heard the name > Robert......seems this Robert was in the US Navy during WWII and had > been wounded. I later found out this was my Father's son I had no idea > of the time of separations of families, divorce etc. but I did wonder > often where he was and why I never knew him. > Seems my Father was married in 1922 and this Robert was a product of > the marriage, and he and sister stayed with the Mother while my > Father went on his way.......I still "didn't get it", until years later > when one day while visiting a cousin in Yonkers NY, with my new baby > son, she told me that my Father had called and was stopping by, he was > in the neighborhood. The words weren't out of her mouth when in walked > my Father and this man..........I was introduced for the first time to > "my brother". I was 28 years old!!!!!!! > A year later my Father asked me to take him for a ride to Long Island, > from NJ , where we lived. It seemed I drove forever on the Long Island > Expressway , got off at wrong exit and wandered around until we could > find a phone booth ( remember when there wee phone booths on corners?) > He gave me a phone # to cal and ask for directions and shortly after we > arrived at this nice well kept house not far from where we had got off > the LIE........I rang the bell while my Father and my children got out > of the car and was greeted by a lady a bit shorter than I.......with a > smile, until she saw my Father. He then introduced me to my > sister.......a shock to say the least. > I found out a little of the history between Father and his "other > children, months later. he had kept tabs on them as to where they were > but rarely saw them growing up. He did get the phone call from his ex > wife about the wounding of Robert during the war as the notice was in > the newspaper before she was notified. > I only saw them a few times from then on and it was never a very > friendly visit, too many unanswered questions on all sides I think. > The reason for the separation of that family was Father was on NYPD. > I was told many years later, but I understood to a degree the > feelings of separation, as it wasn't to long after first hearing about > Robert that my parents separated and i was placed in a home until I > was 16. My Father and I did have a relationship, but I was never sure > if it would last or he would disappear again, by then he was ill and > needing caring so I was elected. I tried to get info from him about his > parents, the rest of his family etc. but he took most of the info to > the grave, and so I started digging in 1965 for it. > Just today, I finally found their marriage info which had been it > seemed a military secret until now. All I knew was Father and his first > wife married in 1922-or 23, probably in Manhattan. > Charles Sulilvan who was a great producer of information to the NY > lists had provided a 6 page list of RC churches with addresses and > when they were built. I had gone to archives, checked almost > everywhere and today was THE DAY. I finally found out where the > "Wife's" Father had lived, got his death cert. with address- figured > it out for churches in that neighborhood that the wife would have lived > at the time, called the church and met a wonderful lady who found them > on her computer since all the records had been computerized. > She is sending me a copy and I am sending the church a nice donation. > What a DAY!!!!!! Now I have to find where my Fathers parents married, I > have an idea of where grandmother lived, finally, if this info is the > right Nora. > > > When you have little info keep digging! > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery
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I responded to Christina HUNT, that the NYPL main branch is the reporitory for all years of the Emigrant Savings Bank Ledgers, on film, but only some years are accessible online at Ancestry.com. I statedthat myexperience wassuch,that the online version matched the in person search at NYPL. So, her response follows, with part of my email belowt that. Conclusion, they will accept Emigrant records of homelands, with film numbers attached. Barb Subj: Re: Irish homes of origin Date: 8/27/2009 3:23:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: chrisnina@gmail.com To: mizscarlettny@aol.com If someone wants to copy and transcribe records from film then it matters not if the records are also on Ancestry. We just can't transcribe records from Ancestry. Chris On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:46 PM, <mizscarlettny@aol.com> wrote: > Thanks for writing again, Christina. > Thus, to negate the value of the paid online accessible records, when the > townland was only occasionally mentioned, > diminishes the importance of these documents. Not everyone llives train > distance from NYC, as I do, to go to NYPL. > > Barbara ========================= chrisnina@gmail.com writes: > Barb > We are accepting headstones that state the location in Ireland where > the person was born. > For example: > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos/tombstones/markers. > htm > Obits: > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/limerick/newspapers/nytimes1feb1903. > txt > We have Repeal Associations in the US & Canada: > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/countrywide/news.htm > Emigrations Records - for example: > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/longford/emigration/emig-wash-ny.txt > > We accept vital records from Ireland. > We would accept a death record from a Foreign country that states the > birth location in Ireland. My own ancestors left no records stating > their location of origin other than "Ireland". Because of that, none > of my family is in the project, though, I hope someday to find the > illusive proof. > > We do NOT accept data culled from online projects such as Ancestry and > Newspaper Archives databases. > > I think the primary importance in US, Australian or Canadian records > is to help people find the Irish county or townland where their > ancestor was from. It is the location in Ireland that is the usual > sticking point in Irish research. > If the Emigrant Savings Bank data is coming from microfilm or other > source not on the internet already, then we will be glad to accept the > records. > Our primary mission is to preserve Irish Records which people from > America may have in their possession. There is a dearth of Records > created in Ireland. Many people find church records to be expensive to > search out. Census for instance is virtually non-existent before > 1901. > Hope this helps clarify some. > Christina > =================================== > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:46 PM, <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> wrote: > > Some of you may be unaware of Christina HUNT's email [below] where she > seeks > > to gather, then post, exact places of origin in Ireland, for Irish who > > immigrated to the United States. > > > > FYI, I was in touch with her several times when this project was > extending > > to include Irish in the USA. She will not accept records from Emigrant > > Savings Bank, where the account holder may have specified their home > > townland in Ireland. She will not accept photos of American headstones, > or > > death/marriage/birth certificates that merely cite the place of birth as > > Ireland. > > > > I attempted to tell her that by starting with the country of origin, > > eventually others may know the specific townland's name. She would not > > agree to this. I have yet to ask her about Birth Certificates acquired > in > > Ireland. > > > > If you have anything appropriate to submit to Christina's hunt, please > > forward to her. > > > > Then again, if you have any opinion about how this project is collecting > > data, please email Christina HUNT at chrisnina@gmail.com. > > > > Barb > > NYC Researcher > > | Some of you may be unaware of Christina HUNT's email [below] where > | she seeks to gather, then post, exact places of origin in Ireland, > | for Irish who immigrated to the United States. > | > | FYI, I was in touch with her several times when this project was > | extending to include Irish in the USA. She will not accept records > | from Emigrant Savings Bank, where the account holder may have > | specified their home townland in Ireland. She will not accept > | photos of American headstones, or death/marriage/birth certificates > | that merely cite the place of birth as Ireland. > | > | I attempted to tell her that by starting with the country of > | origin, eventually others may know the specific townland's name. > | She would not agree to this. I have yet to ask her about Birth > | Certificates acquired in Ireland. > | > | If you have anything appropriate to submit to Christina's hunt, > | please forward to her. > | > | Then again, if you have any opinion about how this project is > | collecting data, please email Christina HUNT at chrisnina@gmail.com. > | > | Barb > | NYC Researcher
So many NYC family searchers were impressed with their findings from fultonhistory.com. The website, a one man operation is seeking donations of cash and old hard drives. Tom Tryniski 309 South 4th Street Fulton NY 13069 tryniski@fultonhistory.com > Donate To Old Fulton NY Post Cards > http://fultonhistory.com/Donation%20paypal.html
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What a wonderful and heart warming story from the lady from Kentucky who found her sister In Ireland. I think I have an idea of how she feels. When I was very young, about 6 years old, I over heard my parents talking about a situation and being very upset. I heard the name Robert......seems this Robert was in the US Navy during WWII and had been wounded. I later found out this was my Father's son I had no idea of the time of separations of families, divorce etc. but I did wonder often where he was and why I never knew him. Seems my Father was married in 1922 and this Robert was a product of the marriage, and he and sister stayed with the Mother while my Father went on his way.......I still "didn't get it", until years later when one day while visiting a cousin in Yonkers NY, with my new baby son, she told me that my Father had called and was stopping by, he was in the neighborhood. The words weren't out of her mouth when in walked my Father and this man..........I was introduced for the first time to "my brother". I was 28 years old!!!!!!! A year later my Father asked me to take him for a ride to Long Island, from NJ , where we lived. It seemed I drove forever on the Long Island Expressway , got off at wrong exit and wandered around until we could find a phone booth ( remember when there wee phone booths on corners?) He gave me a phone # to cal and ask for directions and shortly after we arrived at this nice well kept house not far from where we had got off the LIE........I rang the bell while my Father and my children got out of the car and was greeted by a lady a bit shorter than I.......with a smile, until she saw my Father. He then introduced me to my sister.......a shock to say the least. I found out a little of the history between Father and his "other children, months later. he had kept tabs on them as to where they were but rarely saw them growing up. He did get the phone call from his ex wife about the wounding of Robert during the war as the notice was in the newspaper before she was notified. I only saw them a few times from then on and it was never a very friendly visit, too many unanswered questions on all sides I think. The reason for the separation of that family was Father was on NYPD. I was told many years later, but I understood to a degree the feelings of separation, as it wasn't to long after first hearing about Robert that my parents separated and i was placed in a home until I was 16. My Father and I did have a relationship, but I was never sure if it would last or he would disappear again, by then he was ill and needing caring so I was elected. I tried to get info from him about his parents, the rest of his family etc. but he took most of the info to the grave, and so I started digging in 1965 for it. Just today, I finally found their marriage info which had been it seemed a military secret until now. All I knew was Father and his first wife married in 1922-or 23, probably in Manhattan. Charles Sulilvan who was a great producer of information to the NY lists had provided a 6 page list of RC churches with addresses and when they were built. I had gone to archives, checked almost everywhere and today was THE DAY. I finally found out where the "Wife's" Father had lived, got his death cert. with address- figured it out for churches in that neighborhood that the wife would have lived at the time, called the church and met a wonderful lady who found them on her computer since all the records had been computerized. She is sending me a copy and I am sending the church a nice donation. What a DAY!!!!!! Now I have to find where my Fathers parents married, I have an idea of where grandmother lived, finally, if this info is the right Nora. When you have little info keep digging!
Pat, I received my parents marriage cert. in 2003 and the fee was reasonable. Kenneth R. Cobb was the director. NYC Dept. of Records & Info Services Municipal Archives 31 Chambers St. N.Y., NY 10007 [212] 788-8580 www.nyc/html/doris They search all 5 boroughs and unless things have changed you'll need the year. The fee was so small I had them search 2 years. Kay C. -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of pat lewis Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:16 PM To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: [NY-IRISH] marriage info problems I have had the same problem thru the years, looking for marriages, I have found info of people I am not directly related to but not my Father or Grandfathe, even with a search at New York City archive of trying to find when my Father married his first wife , probably after May 22,1922 to possibly 1923. Names CARMODY. John J. and NOTT, Mary (Agnes). **I have checked both the Italian and German genealogy sites, numerous times also, and still have never found the info. They both lived on Upper East side of Manhattan, as far as family knew at the time. All we know/knew is in first year of marriage she had still- birth to twin boys probably in 1923 In Manhattan, ( (and before you ask they did not elope to another state as parents were at their wedding) a daughter was born in July 1924 and a son in April 1926. A sister in law had all the info once upon a time but it is gone now and so is she, along with the 2 children of this marriage. I came along 10 years later but Mary was not my Mother. I didn't even know about these children of my Father til I was 28 and they would never answer any questions in regard to their parents. They are NOT together in either the 1920 census, he was in US Navy and she was in NH then, and they separated before 1930. Also cannot find marriage for my grandfather, John CARMODY to Nora (Mulcahy) Sullivan, a widow, approx,1900-1901.......living on E. 60th St. Would any one have idea of RC church in those areas??? **Father lived around E 99th St and 2nd Ave, Mary lived around E 105-107 Sts. at the time, I was told. I am planning to order and look in the films of NYC marriages when the LDS/FHC re-opens sometime next month and see if possibly there is a copy of information regarding a license, If not I will finally give it up. Hopefully the 60 miles trip will finally yield the answer and make it worth while. Then I will send to LDS and get a copy..... But if someone else can find them----you could save me time, energy and gas! LOL!!!!!!!! :-) ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Barb We are accepting headstones that state the location in Ireland where the person was born. For example: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos/tombstones/markers.htm Obits: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/limerick/newspapers/nytimes1feb1903.txt We have Repeal Associations in the US & Canada: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/countrywide/news.htm Emigrations Records - for example: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/longford/emigration/emig-wash-ny.txt We accept vital records from Ireland. We would accept a death record from a Foreign country that states the birth location in Ireland. My own ancestors left no records stating their location of origin other than "Ireland". Because of that, none of my family is in the project, though, I hope someday to find the illusive proof. We do NOT accept data culled from online projects such as Ancestry and Newspaper Archives databases. I think the primary importance in US, Australian or Canadian records is to help people find the Irish county or townland where their ancestor was from. It is the location in Ireland that is the usual sticking point in Irish research. If the Emigrant Savings Bank data is coming from microfilm or other source not on the internet already, then we will be glad to accept the records. Our primary mission is to preserve Irish Records which people from America may have in their possession. There is a dearth of Records created in Ireland. Many people find church records to be expensive to search out. Census for instance is virtually non-existent before 1901. Hope this helps clarify some. Christina On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:46 PM, <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> wrote: > Some of you may be unaware of Christina HUNT's email [below] where she seeks > to gather, then post, exact places of origin in Ireland, for Irish who > immigrated to the United States. > > FYI, I was in touch with her several times when this project was extending > to include Irish in the USA. She will not accept records from Emigrant > Savings Bank, where the account holder may have specified their home > townland in Ireland. She will not accept photos of American headstones, or > death/marriage/birth certificates that merely cite the place of birth as > Ireland. > > I attempted to tell her that by starting with the country of origin, > eventually others may know the specific townland's name. She would not > agree to this. I have yet to ask her about Birth Certificates acquired in > Ireland. > > If you have anything appropriate to submit to Christina's hunt, please > forward to her. > > Then again, if you have any opinion about how this project is collecting > data, please email Christina HUNT at chrisnina@gmail.com. > > Barb > NYC Researcher | Some of you may be unaware of Christina HUNT's email [below] where | she seeks to gather, then post, exact places of origin in Ireland, | for Irish who immigrated to the United States. | | FYI, I was in touch with her several times when this project was | extending to include Irish in the USA. She will not accept records | from Emigrant Savings Bank, where the account holder may have | specified their home townland in Ireland. She will not accept | photos of American headstones, or death/marriage/birth certificates | that merely cite the place of birth as Ireland. | | I attempted to tell her that by starting with the country of | origin, eventually others may know the specific townland's name. | She would not agree to this. I have yet to ask her about Birth | Certificates acquired in Ireland. | | If you have anything appropriate to submit to Christina's hunt, | please forward to her. | | Then again, if you have any opinion about how this project is | collecting data, please email Christina HUNT at chrisnina@gmail.com. | | Barb | NYC Researcher |
Hello: This is a story from an Ulster webpage. There is a sense of joy at a final discovery. http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/aug/26/photo-leads-tellico-village-woman-find-long-lost-s/
Some of you may be unaware of Christina HUNT's email [below] where she seeks to gather, then post, exact places of origin in Ireland, for Irish who immigrated to the United States. FYI, I was in touch with her several times when this project was extending to include Irish in the USA. She will not accept records from Emigrant Savings Bank, where the account holder may have specified their home townland in Ireland. She will not accept photos of American headstones, or death/marriage/birth certificates that merely cite the place of birth as Ireland. I attempted to tell her that by starting with the country of origin, eventually others may know the specific townland's name. She would not agree to this. I have yet to ask her about Birth Certificates acquired in Ireland. If you have anything appropriate to submit to Christina's hunt, please forward to her. Then again, if you have any opinion about how this project is collecting data, please email Christina HUNT at chrisnina@gmail.com. Barb NYC Researcher --------------------------------------- Re: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 21 > From: Christina Finn Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Obits anyone? > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > > If anyone has an obit or obits for someone from Ireland that names the > place in > Ireland they were from, we would love you have you submit it to the IGP > Archives. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/index.htm > Scroll down to Submission forms. > Thanks! > Christina > ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115)
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Maryann, I found a Marriage for Patrick Cody & Alice Young?in Index at www.germangenealogygroup.com? Married June 1, 1913? Manhattan Certificate #12937. Perhaps Bridget was a witness and possibly married at the time to give you a clue about her. I will be going to the archives in about 6 weeks and I could check this for you then. Also, if you give me parents names, approx. dates of birth , and where they came from in Ireland, I will try to see what I can find for you. My e-mail is Mgundac102@AOL.com. Peg Gundacker -----Original Message----- From: Maryann C. Arnold <marnold@Princeton.EDU> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com; mizscarlettNY@aol.com Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:44 pm Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Need some advice on finding marriage information Hi Barb, You have given others so much good advice on how to track down marriage information I wonder if you can help me as well to find some "missing" great-aunts. I am trying to locate marriages for my grandfather's two sisters, Bridget Young and Ellen Young, Ellen's family nickname was "Alice" though I haven't a clue why. Bridget Young was working as a servant in NYC in 1905 when her sister Ellen arrived through Ellis Island. I have not found when or where Bridget arrived. Then they both vanish! >From letters sent to their sister-in-law in Ireland by another sister in the 1950's I know they both married, I presume in NYC or one of the boroughs, but again don't have a clue as to when or to whom. The letters stated Bridget died in childbirth either in the late 1930's or early 1940's, no mention of her spouse or what happened to her 4 children and her sister Ellen, known as Alice was married and living in New York (no address) and also had three children. In my grandfather's obituary it mentions his sister Mrs. Patrick Cody was still alive in 1961, but with no mention of any other useful details and anyone that could tell me where that information came from is deceased. I have located Patrick F. Cody with wife Alice M. and their children in the U.S. Census for 1920 and 1930, but I am not sure they are MY relatives because her ages and immigration dates don't match facts that I am sure of for birth date and immigration year. Also the 1930 Census has them as the parents of 6 children, but her sister had only mentioned that she had 3 or 4 in the 1950s letter, though in the Census her 1st born child, a girl, has the same 1st name as her deceased mother (Johanna). In the 1920 Census they lived at 794 Madison St., Brooklyn, Kings County. In the 1930 Census they lived at 12 Newton Place, Hempstead, Nassau County. In both Census Patrick was listed as a bank guard at a "trust company." Any suggestions of where to look for their marriages and deaths, etc., how to look, how I figure out if these are really my family or just coincidentally people with the same names, would be most appreciated. These sisters have been a "brick wall" for me for some time so all suggestions are welcome. Thanks. Maryann -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MizScarlettNY@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:41 PM To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Miz-nomers Hi Toni from Elmira, With all good humor, every time I said I lived in Ossining, folks only knew it for the prison connection. Elmira has that same ring, y'know? Anyway, Marriage Licenses, of the bygone era were required from 1908 to 1937. They are on file at the NYC Municipal Archives, 31 Chambers Street, and a very worthwhile search for those of Irish heritage. These were applied for pre-nuptially, and are still required to be married anywhere in New York State. Barb NYC Researcher > I would like to know when NYS began to require a license for marriage. > I went all over looking for a license application only to find out that in > 1894 a license wasn't required here in NY ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
My Grandfather John Carmody, was the ONLY Carmody in his family to come to the USA. His 2 brothers, remained in England and single. I have been checking on this family for about 45 years, On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Jeff wrote: > Have you tried around Dayton Ohio on your Carmody line? > > -- > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG > Flockmaster, > International Blacksheep Society of Genealogists > > http://ibssg.org/blacksheep/ > > >
I have had the same problem thru the years, looking for marriages, I have found info of people I am not directly related to but not my Father or Grandfathe, even with a search at New York City archive of trying to find when my Father married his first wife , probably after May 22,1922 to possibly 1923. Names CARMODY. John J. and NOTT, Mary (Agnes). **I have checked both the Italian and German genealogy sites, numerous times also, and still have never found the info. They both lived on Upper East side of Manhattan, as far as family knew at the time. All we know/knew is in first year of marriage she had still- birth to twin boys probably in 1923 In Manhattan, ( (and before you ask they did not elope to another state as parents were at their wedding) a daughter was born in July 1924 and a son in April 1926. A sister in law had all the info once upon a time but it is gone now and so is she, along with the 2 children of this marriage. I came along 10 years later but Mary was not my Mother. I didn't even know about these children of my Father til I was 28 and they would never answer any questions in regard to their parents. They are NOT together in either the 1920 census, he was in US Navy and she was in NH then, and they separated before 1930. Also cannot find marriage for my grandfather, John CARMODY to Nora (Mulcahy) Sullivan, a widow, approx,1900-1901.......living on E. 60th St. Would any one have idea of RC church in those areas??? **Father lived around E 99th St and 2nd Ave, Mary lived around E 105-107 Sts. at the time, I was told. I am planning to order and look in the films of NYC marriages when the LDS/FHC re-opens sometime next month and see if possibly there is a copy of information regarding a license, If not I will finally give it up. Hopefully the 60 miles trip will finally yield the answer and make it worth while. Then I will send to LDS and get a copy..... But if someone else can find them----you could save me time, energy and gas! LOL!!!!!!!! :-)
What year was Alice supposed to have been born? Just looking at the 1930 census, I do see some discrepancies: 1. the eldest daughter is 16. Alice (mother) is listed aged 38, married at 24. This would mean she was only married for 14 years. Second, Patrick is listed as having it been 17 years from his marriage date. Don't put too much credence to this. There were always dates recorded wrong, etc. You do of course need proof, but as there are not any other "Ellen" or "Alice" Cody's (that I found), this is probably your's. By the 1950's, several of her children could have died. I'm not sure about this time period, but for any earlier, I've found it very common for deceased children to receive no mention. And in at least one case, a child who was still very much alive was omitted from his mother's obituary (his sister was included) but it was only when his father died several years later, and both children were included with residence's listed, did I realize he was still alive. I haven't done much research in NY, but I would assume it's like PA. In that case, I would suggest you first check the county courthouses in/around NY to see if you can find marriage certificates for these two sisters. That seems to me to be your best bet. Katie > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:44:03 -0400 > From: marnold@princeton.edu > To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com; mizscarlettNY@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Need some advice on finding marriage information > > Hi Barb, > > You have given others so much good advice on how to track down marriage > information I wonder if you can help me as well to find some "missing" > great-aunts. > > I am trying to locate marriages for my grandfather's two sisters, > Bridget Young and Ellen Young, Ellen's family nickname was "Alice" > though I haven't a clue why. > > Bridget Young was working as a servant in NYC in 1905 when her sister > Ellen arrived through Ellis Island. I have not found when or where > Bridget arrived. Then they both vanish! > > >From letters sent to their sister-in-law in Ireland by another sister in > the 1950's I know they both married, I presume in NYC or one of the > boroughs, but again don't have a clue as to when or to whom. The > letters stated Bridget died in childbirth either in the late 1930's or > early 1940's, no mention of her spouse or what happened to her 4 > children and her sister Ellen, known as Alice was married and living in > New York (no address) and also had three children. > > In my grandfather's obituary it mentions his sister Mrs. Patrick Cody > was still alive in 1961, but with no mention of any other useful details > and anyone that could tell me where that information came from is > deceased. > > I have located Patrick F. Cody with wife Alice M. and their children in > the U.S. Census for 1920 and 1930, but I am not sure they are MY > relatives because her ages and immigration dates don't match facts that > I am sure of for birth date and immigration year. Also the 1930 Census > has them as the parents of 6 children, but her sister had only mentioned > that she had 3 or 4 in the 1950s letter, though in the Census her 1st > born child, a girl, has the same 1st name as her deceased mother > (Johanna). > > In the 1920 Census they lived at 794 Madison St., Brooklyn, Kings > County. > In the 1930 Census they lived at 12 Newton Place, Hempstead, Nassau > County. > In both Census Patrick was listed as a bank guard at a "trust company." > > Any suggestions of where to look for their marriages and deaths, etc., > how to look, how I figure out if these are really my family or just > coincidentally people with the same names, would be most appreciated. > These sisters have been a "brick wall" for me for some time so all > suggestions are welcome. > > Thanks. > > Maryann > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > MizScarlettNY@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:41 PM > To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Miz-nomers > > Hi Toni from Elmira, > > With all good humor, every time I said I lived in Ossining, folks only > knew > it for the prison connection. Elmira has that same ring, y'know? > > Anyway, Marriage Licenses, of the bygone era were required from 1908 to > 1937. They are on file at the NYC Municipal Archives, 31 Chambers > Street, and > a very worthwhile search for those of Irish heritage. These were > applied > for pre-nuptially, > and are still required to be married anywhere in New York State. > > Barb > NYC Researcher > > > I would like to know when NYS began to require a license for > marriage. > > I went all over looking for a license application only to find out > that in > > 1894 a license wasn't required here in NY > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. 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Hi Maryann, When you have Irish ancestors just accept the fact that all names are common combinations. You have to utilze DOBs, and POBs to eliminate who is not yours. Marriages: http://stevemorse.org/vital/nymarriages.html?index=groom Deaths: http://stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath.html Social Security DeathIndex: http://www.genealogybank.com/gbnk/ssdi/ Good luck, Barb NYC Researcher marnold@Princeton.EDU > > I am trying to locate marriages for...Bridget Young and Ellen Young, > Ellen's family nickname was "Alice"...Bridget...a servant in NYC in 1905 when > her sister > Ellen arrived through Ellis Island...they both married, I presume in > NYC... > Bridget died in childbirth either in the late 1930's or early > 1940's...grandfather's obituary mentions his sister Mrs. Patrick Cody was still alive > in 1961...located Patrick F. Cody with wife Alice M. and their children in > 1920 and 1930, but I am not sure they are MY relatives...1920 Census they > lived at 794 Madison St., Brooklyn, KingsCo...1930 Census they lived at 12 > Newton Place, Hempstead, Nassau,County. Patrick was listed as a bank guard > at a "trust company." > Any suggestions of where to look for their marriages and deaths, etc., > how to look, how I figure out if these are really my family or just > coincidentally people with the same names > Thanks. > Maryann