Thanks for the link, Jack. I just ordered some Odlums flour and their 'quick brown bread mix, just add water' from Food Ireland. Maybe my brown bread problems are finally solved. We don't have A&Ps out here. But I can get King Arthur brand flour at my local Save Mart. This is suppose to be a good substitute for the Dublin Odlums flour. This may be what you had in mind. > > _http://familyfun.go.com/recipes/basic-bread-loaf-676292/_ > (http://familyfun.go.com/recipes/basic-bread-loaf-676292/) > > Now you have me interested. I'll check out the A & P > > Jack Langton > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thanks so much for this, Kelly. I googled the King Arthur Flour and found it is sold in a store where I do my food shopping so will get some of it this week. Now, do you have a recipe? I have google the brown bread Ireland and haven't really found what I am looking for which is why I have posted my quest on the list. > In Ireland the brown bread is made with "wholemeal" flour, usually Odlum's > brand ie a coarsely ground wheat flour. Very hard to find in US. King Arthur > Flour makes an > > "Irish-Style" wheat flour as a substitute ..to use for making "brown > bread". Substituting plain US "whole wheat flour" will never give an > authentic brown bread, sadly :( > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I go through this every year when I try to replicate that great Irish brown bread you get at restaurants in Ireland. It is not the traditional soda bread but a loaf bread that is sliced and eaten with a bit of Kerry Gold butter. If someone has a good recipe, please post it to the list. I am sure I am not the only one who would use it. I'd like to serve at my St Patrick's Day dinner. Again, it is cooked in a loaf pan and not a round bread with the cross on top. Thanks in advance. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

It uses Google Maps. Just go to Google, click on maps link in upper left. In a message dated 2/14/2010 3:10:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, joyzee_goil@yahoo.com writes: Got this from a friend...thought it was great for us genealogy buffs to see where our ancestors lived & what it looks like today.? Don't see where Ireland is on here, tho. Jeanine NJ USA This is absolutely amazing! One of the best e mails ever. You can go back and see the houses where you lived. You can maneuver the cursor up and down the block, turn it around so you can see the other side of the street.We saw Jerry's house on Pulaski St. I could not recognize the places where I lived. You can see all the changes that were made over the years! Just type in your address and enjoy!! Let me know how you made out. You'll like this one! I was able to see Fillmore Ave and E 54 St.? I saw your house, ours and can scan the area.? I tried it on our current house and our Long Island house but since they're not on main streets, there weren't any photos of them.? You'll probably be able to see where you grew up as well..? This is really amazing....Check out some of your old"haunts." When you enter an address you will see a picture of that place.? There's a little map with a little man on it - you can move the little man up and down the block if you need to.? I just looked at my childhood home!? Really nice website! http://www.vpike.com/

Got this from a friend...thought it was great for us genealogy buffs to see where our ancestors lived & what it looks like today.  Don't see where Ireland is on here, tho. Jeanine NJ USA This is absolutely amazing! One of the best e mails ever. You can go back and see the houses where you lived. You can maneuver the cursor up and down the block, turn it around so you can see the other side of the street.We saw Jerry's house on Pulaski St. I could not recognize the places where I lived. You can see all the changes that were made over the years! Just type in your address and enjoy!! Let me know how you made out. You'll like this one! I was able to see Fillmore Ave and E 54 St.  I saw your house, ours and can scan the area.  I tried it on our current house and our Long Island house but since they're not on main streets, there weren't any photos of them.  You'll probably be able to see where you grew up as well..  This is really amazing....Check out some of your old"haunts." When you enter an address you will see a picture of that place.  There's a little map with a little man on it - you can move the little man up and down the block if you need to.  I just looked at my childhood home!  Really nice website! http://www.vpike.com/ =                          =============

Janine, Thanks for the information re: searching railroad records. This is an avenue that I need to explore but really had no idea where to begin. Sheila

>> I know I was going thru RR records &?saw where they noted deaths & causes of employees.<< Hello, I am also interested in RR records. I think I may have two great uncles that worked for the Railroad and may have been killed in an accident. Regards Pauline

Sheila, It was a link on someone's email.  But it had to do with  The Railroad Retirement Board in Wash DC.  Sorry I can't do better than that.  If you google Railroard Retirement Board  you will come up with stuff.  I had spoken to a man many years ago I think in the NJ RRRB.  If I could give him the name of the RR my great gpa was on I could have seen his records.  Unfortunately, I didn't know which one & there were quite a few in Jersey City back then in 1870-----'s on up.  My problem was his name was John KELLY.  Now if I went back in, which I may one of these days, I have his DOD, the RR line, I also have his son, Michael, 19, born Ireland in 1872,  who also worked on the rr & was killed falling under a train at 18, so that should sure be a clue which John KELLY I would think! One of these days. Good Luck Jeanine NJ ________________________________ From: "Sheilaploof1@aol.com" <Sheilaploof1@aol.com> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 9:46:29 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Searching Railroad Records Janine, Would you be kind enough to tell where you were going through railroad  records,please? Any information with regard to this would be  appreciated. Thanks. Sheila >> I know I was going thru RR records &?saw where they noted  deaths & causes of employees.<< ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janine, Would you be kind enough to tell where you were going through railroad records,please? Any information with regard to this would be appreciated. Thanks. Sheila >> I know I was going thru RR records &?saw where they noted deaths & causes of employees.<<

Barb, Can you please contact me off list. Thanks, John On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:05 PM, MizScarlettNY@aol.com wrote: > The irreplaceable reference book Adoption Agencies, Orphanages and > Maternity Homes: An Historical Directory - Volumes 1 & 2, published in 1981 by > Phileas Deigh Corp. Garden City, New York. ISBN: 0-9604200-1-0 has been out of > print for years. > > Reg Niles, the author, has generously permitted it to be digitized and > searchable online at. > http://www.sacredhealing.com/triadoption/Reg%20Niles%20AAOMH.htm > > Thank you very much, Reg. This book has been on my wish list for at least > ten years. > > Barb > NYC Researcher > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The irreplaceable reference book Adoption Agencies, Orphanages and Maternity Homes: An Historical Directory - Volumes 1 & 2, published in 1981 by Phileas Deigh Corp. Garden City, New York. ISBN: 0-9604200-1-0 has been out of print for years. Reg Niles, the author, has generously permitted it to be digitized and searchable online at. http://www.sacredhealing.com/triadoption/Reg%20Niles%20AAOMH.htm Thank you very much, Reg. This book has been on my wish list for at least ten years. Barb NYC Researcher

When genealogy posts are over analyzed as politcal or mortally serious, you may miss the humor intended. So, if you don't laugh at this story, but instead focus its legal implications, you're missing the fun of it all. Barb NYC Researcher>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " Marriage Engagement Broken. A Suitor's Behavior on Learning That She Had False Teeth. Date: November 3 1879 Newspaper published in: St. Louis, Mo. Dr. PRESTON, a dentist of Wayland, made a set of teeth three years ago for Miss Rosa ROBERTS, of Blood's. Last week Miss ROBERTS went to Wayland on a visit. She was engaged to be married to a resident of that place. While she was there Dr. PRESTON called to see her, and inquired how her teeth were lasting. She handed them to him, and he put them in his pocket, saying, "You can have those teeth when you pay me for them." Miss ROBERTS was not able to pay for them just then, and Dr. PRESTON carried them away. That night the man who promised to make Miss ROBERTS his wife called to see her, and she sent word down that she could not see him that evening. He insisted upon an explanation, and Miss ROBERT's friends explained. The gentleman went away. Next day he wrote to Miss ROBERTS that he did not know she wore false teeth, and that he could not marry a woman who wore them. Miss ROBERTS fancies that she can recover $5,000 from Dr. PRESTON for the loss of a husband, and for annoyance growing out of his taking her teeth from her, and, moreover, that she can recover damages from her late suitor in a breach of promise suit. Some time ago Dr. PRESTON made a set of teeth for Rev. W. W. HOLT, of Blood's. The minister did not pay for them when the bill was due. The dentist called to see him, and said that he thought there was something wrong with his teeth. Mr. HOLT handed his teeth to Dr. PRESTON, who pocketed them and walked away. The minister called on the dentist next day and settled. " Source: http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/link.php?action=detail&id=69085

>From family history I know my anscestor, John Martin settled in N.Y.. From his obitiuary and death certificate I learned he lived in the Greenpoint neighborhood of Brooklyn for some 30+ years. He married Bridget Clarke, was a ferry boat Captain for the NY and Brooklyn Ferryboat Co., His children were baptised and his funeral Mass was from St. Anthony of Padua.Both he and Bridget and their children are buried in Calvary cemetery.From bank records he states he arrived in N.Y in 1846 from Coolkeeragh townland, Co. Tyrone,Ireland. His father is Thomas,dead 14 years(making DOD ca. 1837), his mother is Rose Mullin. He has sisters, Ellen, Ann(Rosanna), and Catherine. Brothers, Michael,Joseph and Charles. Brother Michael came to NY in 1859, married Ann Clarke, died 1886. Both he and Ann are buried in Calvary.In a bank record for Michael his brother John is listed as executor. Questions, please.. No death certificate nor will has been found for Michael.Where beside Surrogate court and the Municiple Archives would I look for these documents? No death certificate for Bridget Martin d.1894,, Michael Martin d.1886 nor Michaels wife Ann d.1885, has been found. Where beside the usual sources would I look? No Naturalization papers found through Ancestry.com records.Where else to search? I would like to connect with descendants there in N.Y. and elsewhere. Other names connected with this family are.. McMullin, O'Hare , McCormick ,Houlihan, McKenna/McKenny, Britt. Any suggestions appreciated..Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/

Did you try the death index at http://www.italiangen.org/vitalreclist.stm?  I found an Annie Martin there, died 11-15-1885 age 45, # 13702.  probably not old enough to be yours.    Have you looked at the NY state censuses of 1865 and 1892, available at FamilySearch? You won't find deaths there unless they happened in the previous 12 months, but you can learn a lot from them! The death certificates may simply not exist--compliance was weak.  or you can painstakingly look through the microfilms at the Family History Centerfor the years you think they happened to see if you can find one that was missed in indexing. Anna Caulfield "My grandmother was an illegal alien."

As a tug boat captain, maybe he did not die in NY, perhaps NJ.?  Or maybe check to see if there a Tugs records to see if they have  noted it somewhere.  I know I was going thru RR records & saw where they noted deaths & causes of employees.   Maybe check the NJ State Archives or go to RAOGK , (Random Acts Of Genealogy Kindness) website & find a volunteer to look it up for you.  Maybe the tug co records will tell you where they tugged to help in your search.  Sometimes tugs went all the way to the Bahamas etc. Lots of maybes, but just my thoughts. Jeanine ________________________________ From: Carolyn Cowart <carolyn412@hotmail.com> To: ny-irish-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 2:08:04 PM Subject: [NY-IRISH] Searching for Martin anscestors >From family history I know my anscestor, John Martin settled in N.Y.. From his obitiuary and death certificate I learned he lived in the Greenpoint neighborhood of Brooklyn for some 30+ years. He married Bridget Clarke, was a ferry boat Captain for the NY and Brooklyn Ferryboat Co., His children were baptised and his funeral Mass was from St. Anthony of Padua.Both he and Bridget and their children are buried in Calvary cemetery.From bank records he states he arrived in N.Y in 1846 from Coolkeeragh townland, Co. Tyrone,Ireland. His father is Thomas,dead 14 years(making DOD ca. 1837), his mother is Rose Mullin. He has sisters, Ellen, Ann(Rosanna), and Catherine. Brothers, Michael,Joseph and Charles.   Brother Michael came to NY in 1859, married Ann Clarke, died 1886. Both he and Ann are buried in Calvary.In a bank record for Michael his brother John is listed as executor.   Questions, please.. No death certificate nor will has been found for Michael.Where beside Surrogate court and the Municiple Archives would I look for these documents?                           No death certificate for Bridget Martin d.1894,, Michael Martin d.1886 nor Michaels wife Ann d.1885, has been found. Where beside the usual sources would I look?                           No Naturalization papers found through Ancestry.com records.Where else to search?     I would like to connect with descendants there in N.Y. and elsewhere.     Other names connected with this family are.. McMullin, O'Hare , McCormick ,Houlihan, McKenna/McKenny, Britt.   Any suggestions appreciated..Thanks                         _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Sean Duggan for pointing out to me that the website I sent only has birth certs for the Republic from 1922 on and for both the Republic and Northern Ireland from Jan 1864 to Dec 1921, marriage certs from 1922 on and death certs from 1924 onward to present. Also for the Republic and Northern Ireland, they have marriage certs from Jan 1920 to Dec 1921. At the main General Register Office they have the complete set of certs and you can check their prices and availability at: http://www.groireland.ie/about_us.htm -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thanks for your concern, Jeanine. All I'm waiting for is the so-called 'death benefit', which they assure me is in the process. The wheels of government run very slowly...backwards at times, I think. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeanine" <joyzee_goil@yahoo.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] [NYC-ROOTS] SS & providing DC Theresa, Have you called you local SS Office & inquired or the funeral director? Sometimes the gov't take awhile. But I would definately call or go on line to check. www.socialsecurity.gov Jeanine ________________________________

Gosh, I didn't have enough coffee before sending my previous message to the list. Here is the website in Ireland for ordering your certificates: http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/find_a_service/bdm/certificates_ie -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

A new site has been set up to make ordering certificates from Ireland easier. They cost 8 euros plus 2 more euros if you need a record search. You can use your credit card online and supposedly receive them within a week depending on how far they are going. Remember the years of records: Non-Catholic marriages start in 1845. All births, deaths and other marriages start 1864. Many of the early indexes are online at the Family History Library pilot site so you might want to find your record from there first to save you the search fee. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Theresa, Have you called you local SS Office & inquired or the funeral director?  Sometimes the gov't take awhile. But I would definately call or go on line to check.  www.socialsecurity.gov Jeanine ________________________________ From: Theresa Bora <terrybora@wowway.com> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 11:54:37 AM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] [NYC-ROOTS] SS & providing DC Jenine, here in Clawson MI the funeral director did report my husband's death back in October.  He told me he would handle SS. However, this may not be the case with all funeral directors.  I still haven't received the so-called death benefit, but they keep reassuring me that it's on the way. I'll believe it when I see it....the amount is still only $255.00. Terry Bora ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeanine" <joyzee_goil@yahoo.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] [NYC-ROOTS] SS & providing DC I may be wrong, but I thought it was the undertaker who reported it to SS. My Dad died at age 60, on Thanksgiving Day 1972. He had worked all his life, but hadn't yet claimed SS. My Mom filed the necessary paperwork to claim the death benefit..(Isn't that a joke)..& I went with her to the local SS Office. She rec'd the $255.00 if I am remembering correctly as this was 38 years ago. Seven months later my Mom died. She never collected SS either as she was only 57 & still working. My Dad was never in SSDI. I just figured it was because he never collected SS, being the reason why he wasn't on the SSDI. Jeanine NJ ________________________________ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message