To be fair to good ol' NYC, remember that the population size compared to places in Mass means the volume they are dealing with causes delays. Also think of how many more came through NYC and settled there (initially), than Boston. Just trying to be understanding, not cause arguments. Irene

I just ordered a copy of the page where my great Uncle Dominick Martin's marriage was listed from the Mass. Vital Records. The cost of the look up, copy of actual page and a Certificate of Marriage with gold seals from the state cost me $5.00 From the day I requested it, to the day I received it was a total of 11 days. Wish all states were as good and reasonable as that. Mary Anne Berrigan Anderson Searching Bergins Martins Brophy Meaghers

Ny is "thinking green?" How about all glass and all plastic? Hit all the pockets, not just researchers. B ngharkey@sbcglobal.net writes: > and what good does raising or lowering a deposit fee do? No matter how > much > it is, it is refundable. Incidentally, I am for a much larger deposit on > bottles than 5 or 10 cents but that has nothing to do with anything here at > all. > > Gabriele >

Today I revisited websites for the NYC Municipal Archives and the NYC Clerk's Office for Marriages records, and both exhibit increased fees, yet again. Now, the NYC Municipal Archives is charging for shipping of certificate orders based upon the order total price. So, for one certified [the only type they sell] certificate copy their charge is $2.50 for a document that requires one postage stamp to mail. The City Clerk's Office, the repository for marriage records after 1929, increased their fee for one certified, long version copy [more details than short version] to $35. for a one year search, and there is no viewable index to verify details, such as parents' names or DOB of the bride or groom. Perhaps NYS should increase the deposit fee for all single serve bottles and cans, the type served at delis, fast food places, and drug store chains, and keep their paws off historical records, for a change. Barb NYC Researcher IHR, GGG

Does anyone know which Catholic churches might have been in the Flatlands area in 1868? I think it was part of Brooklyn but not being familiar with NYC don't know which streets were located in it??? Also, anyone heard of the ship "Antartica" in 1864. My great grandfather supposedly came over from Ireland on it but I can't find any records for it. Thanks so much...Mary Ann in CT

I just finished transcribing and getting online all the Smith found in Flatlands in the 1865 New York State Census. There is a special section of the census in the 6th Ward, Kings County and the census list churches in the area. You can search the census on line at: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html click on Browse our record collections (under the search boxes) on the map, click on Canada, Mexico, USA go down to New York State, 1865 census, then to Kings County and 6th Ward, you will find Flatlands in the 6th Ward district listings Does anyone know which Catholic churches might have been in the Flatlands > area in 1868? I think it was part of Brooklyn but not being familiar with > NYC don't know which streets were located in it??? > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Dealing with regional variations in flours is always tricky. Because I have a bunch of whole wheat flour I need to use up, I guess I'll just tough it out and try making the brown bread with U.S.-style flour :) King Arthur Flour makes something they call "Irish-Style Wholemeal Flour" (link below) Does anyone know how it stacks up? http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/items/king-arthur-irish-style-wholemeal-flour-3-lb Liz (NJ)

We now know that the Irish have a higher percentage of people with celiac disease than the general population. Also the Scandinavians. A person can have gluten-sensitivity that is not "celiac," also. Both are potentially serious. A large list of symptoms can relate to this, many not gastrointestinal, including any auto-immune disease (often thyroid & adrenal), psychological (anxiety, depression, bipolar, schizophrenia), anemia, bone loss,  eczema, psoriasis, hives, inability to digest dairy, etc. The best lab for determining either type of sensitivity is via stool test at www.enterolab.com , run by a brilliant gastroenterologist, Kenneth Fine MD. The person orders their kit directly online, and the results tell you if one or both parents contributed the genes, and if the genes were for celiac or non-celiac gluten sensitivity. Also reported are 2 immune markers for degree of immune reactivity, and "fecal fat" which is used as a marker for degree of villi damage (fingers on intestine that absorb nutrients). A free dairy immune marker is added to the complete panel. The test is pricey but life-changing , if positive. I'm a board certified nutrition consultant, so work with this frequently. Some good books to read are Life After Bread by Eydi Bauer DC & The Gluten Syndrome: Is Wheat Causing You Harm? by Rodney Ford MD. An amazing baking cookbook is "Gluten-Free Baking with the Culinary Institute of America" by Richard Coppedge Jr. with every bread you ever loved!    

Me too, It is the best bread to eat. I have some every now and again when I take my cousin to an Irish Pub in Yonkers, NY. Judy Christopher On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Kathleen Donnelly <thefalls46@yahoo.com>wrote: > Hi Pat,I'm not going to bother you with a brown bread recipe as everyone > seems to have a favorite. We used to eat this brown bread every day in the > convent. However it can be served in a loaf pan or round with a cross or > whatever way you wish. I'm sure every Irish mother has her recipe. In ours > the brown color was gotten by adding the wheat flour or some bran (see what > I mean) LOL Good luck and enjoy the search. Kathleen > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> > To: ny irish <ny-irish-l@rootsweb.com>; IRISH-AMERICAN < > Irish-American-L@rootsweb.com>; Can-Ontario-Irish-L@rootsweb.com; > Irish-In-UK-L@rootsweb.com; New-England-Irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 8:32:25 AM > Subject: [NY-IRISH] Irish brown bread > > I go through this every year when I try to replicate that great Irish > brown bread you get at restaurants in Ireland. It is not the > traditional soda bread but a loaf bread that is sliced and eaten with a > bit of Kerry Gold butter. If someone has a good recipe, please post it > to the list. I am sure I am not the only one who would use it. I'd > like to serve at my St Patrick's Day dinner. Again, it is cooked in a > loaf pan and not a round bread with the cross on top. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Judy Christopher

This year my husband is Master of the local Masonic Lodge. It is Tradition for this Lodge to host the Grand Master for a St. Patrick's corned beef and cabbage dinner. About 90 men show up for supper. The old Tradition Bearer who cooked the meal died this winter past, but last year, he taught us how he's been cooking it up for over 40 years. So, now it's our dinner to cook. This year, my husband wants to add to that Tradition by serving authentic brown soda bread with the dinner instead of plain dinner rolls. He'd also like to change the dessert from green coloured mint chocolate chip ice cream, to something more traditional. So far, all I can think of is maybe a spice cake or something. The caveat here is that most of the men are over 60 and so that has to be taken into account. If anyone wants to share recipes, I'll be glad to give credit in the dinner program for the one(s) I use. Thanks for the reference to http://www.foodireland.com/ . I looked it up, but at $4/kilo I'm not sure it's in the budget for feeding 90 people. We will probably go with the King Arthur suggestion, but I wonder if the different wheats are so incompatible that I couldn't just use a little of the Odlums with the King Arthur. Or is that courting glutenous disaster? There is some time for experimentation and proof-of-concept cookery so suggestions are welcome. Best Regards, Kathleen O'Brien Blair McMinnville, OR Researching O'Brien, Shannon, Walker, in NYC, Westchester County, and Long Island c. 1850 and Halloran in Windsor CT same time period.

Hi all, you can get the Six Counties if you go via United Kingdom. The Republic isn't listed but you can do a search anyway and run an address....however it depends where you would be searching. For instance Dublin comes up, but when it comes to smaller towns in the Republic it is kind of hit or miss, but check it out anyway. Slaite, Kate ________________________________ From: "Irishcolleen45@aol.com" <Irishcolleen45@aol.com> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 9:01:21 AM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] See a picture of where you grew up It uses Google Maps. Just go to Google, click on maps link in upper left. In a message dated 2/14/2010 3:10:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  joyzee_goil@yahoo.com writes: Got  this from a friend...thought it was great for us genealogy buffs to see where  our ancestors lived & what it looks like today.? Don't see where Ireland  is on here, tho. Jeanine NJ USA This is  absolutely amazing! One of the best e mails ever. You can go back and see the  houses where you lived. You can maneuver the cursor up and down the block,  turn it around so you can see the other side of the street.We saw Jerry's  house on Pulaski St. I could not recognize the places where I lived. You can  see all the changes that were made over the years! Just type in your address  and enjoy!! Let me know how you made out. You'll like this  one! I was able to see Fillmore Ave and E 54 St.? I saw your house,  ours and can scan the area.? I tried it on our current house and our Long  Island house but since they're not on main streets, there weren't any photos  of them.? You'll probably be able to see where you grew up as well..?  This is really amazing....Check out some of your  old"haunts." When you enter an address you will see a picture of that  place.? There's a little map with a little man on it - you can move the little  man up and down the block if you need to.? I just looked at my childhood  home!? Really nice  website! http://www.vpike.com/ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is my cousin recipe for Brown bread had to cut this half she uses 6 cups and so forth she has a large family, problem with this was that I found you really have to used Ireland's flour which is so different in flavor and taste, so when I went to Ireland I buy flour to bring home wheat and white flour. This recipe can be used for a round or pan loaf. No wonder I do not like the bread here at home compare to Ireland's bread which I ate from one end of Galway to Mayo. 3 cups whole wheat bread flour 1 cup unbleached white bread flour Pinch of salt 1 teaspoon baking soda 1 3/4+ cups buttermilk 2 ounces butter (preferably Kerrygold) 1 egg Melt the butter over gentle heat. In a medium-sized bowl lightly beat the egg and then gradually add the buttermilk all the while stirring to incorporate the egg. Beat in the butter. In another bowl sift and mix the dry ingredients as best you can and then stir in the buttermilk mixture. If you are using a baking tin the mixture should be on the wetter side - like a thick brownie mix, something you could pour into the tin, not scoop able by hand really). If your dough is too dry, mix in small splashes of buttermilk until it is the right consistency. Cook at 400F for 50 minutes on the middle rack. You want to hear a sort of hollow sound when you knock on the bottom of the tin. Makes 1 loaf.

I know the recipe I have can make 1 to 4 loafs..... it has teacle in it, and I sub with dark molasses.

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Thanks for the info really enjoyed the search.......picture great again thanks. Kate ________________________________ From: jeanine <joyzee_goil@yahoo.com> To: ny-irish-l@rootsweb.com; y-irl@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 6:48:59 AM Subject: [NY-IRISH] FW: See a picture of where you grew up Got this from a friend...thought it was great for us genealogy buffs to see where our ancestors lived & what it looks like today.  Don't see where Ireland is on here, tho. Jeanine NJ USA This is absolutely amazing! One of the best e mails ever. You can go back and see the houses where you lived. You can maneuver the cursor up and down the block, turn it around so you can see the other side of the street.We saw Jerry's house on Pulaski St. I could not recognize the places where I lived. You can see all the changes that were made over the years! Just type in your address and enjoy!! Let me know how you made out. You'll like this one! I was able to see Fillmore Ave and E 54 St.  I saw your house, ours and can scan the area.  I tried it on our current house and our Long Island house but since they're not on main streets, there weren't any photos of them.  You'll probably be able to see where you grew up as well..  This is really amazing....Check out some of your old"haunts." When you enter an address you will see a picture of that place.  There's a little map with a little man on it - you can move the little man up and down the block if you need to.  I just looked at my childhood home!  Really nice website! http://www.vpike.com/ =                          =============       ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat,I'm not going to bother you with a brown bread recipe as everyone seems to have a favorite. We used to eat this brown bread every day in the convent. However it can be served in a loaf pan or round with a cross or whatever way you wish. I'm sure every Irish mother has her recipe. In ours the brown color was gotten by adding the wheat flour or some bran (see what I mean) LOL Good luck and enjoy the search. Kathleen ________________________________ From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: ny irish <ny-irish-l@rootsweb.com>; IRISH-AMERICAN <Irish-American-L@rootsweb.com>; Can-Ontario-Irish-L@rootsweb.com; Irish-In-UK-L@rootsweb.com; New-England-Irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 8:32:25 AM Subject: [NY-IRISH] Irish brown bread I go through this every year when I try to replicate that great Irish brown bread you get at restaurants in Ireland.  It is not the traditional soda bread  but a loaf bread that is sliced and eaten with a bit of Kerry Gold butter.  If someone has a good recipe, please post it to the list.  I am sure I am not the only one who would use it.  I'd like to serve at my St Patrick's Day dinner.  Again, it is cooked in a loaf pan and not a round bread with the cross on top. Thanks in advance. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Odlums site has alot of recipes for bread. I can't help you with a "loaf pan" bread as I only ever ate it and made it in Ire. in the traditional round loaf shape. Kate > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:01:06 -0800 > From: nymets22@gmail.com > To: Kelly6424@hotmail.com; ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Irish brown bread > > Thanks so much for this, Kelly. I googled the King Arthur Flour and found > it is sold in a store where I do my food shopping so will get some of it > this week. Now, do you have a recipe? I have google the brown bread > Ireland and haven't really found what I am looking for which is why I have > posted my quest on the list. > > > > In Ireland the brown bread is made with "wholemeal" flour, usually Odlum's > > brand ie a coarsely ground wheat flour. Very hard to find in US. King Arthur > > Flour makes an > > > > "Irish-Style" wheat flour as a substitute ..to use for making "brown > > bread". Substituting plain US "whole wheat flour" will never give an > > authentic brown bread, sadly :( > > > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/

Pat, This may be what you had in mind. _http://familyfun.go.com/recipes/basic-bread-loaf-676292/_ (http://familyfun.go.com/recipes/basic-bread-loaf-676292/) Now you have me interested. I'll check out the A & P Jack Langton

I have found an online store "foodireland.com" that's here in the US (I called and checked!) and they carry a full line of Odlums Flours and sooo many other wonderful Irish food products. I'm ordering flour today! Kate (I am not affiliated/work for this site and or Odlums)..just a bread lover > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:32:25 -0800 > From: nymets11@pacbell.net > To: ny-irish-l@rootsweb.com; Irish-American-L@rootsweb.com; Can-Ontario-Irish-L@rootsweb.com; Irish-In-UK-L@rootsweb.com; New-England-Irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NY-IRISH] Irish brown bread > > I go through this every year when I try to replicate that great Irish > brown bread you get at restaurants in Ireland. It is not the > traditional soda bread but a loaf bread that is sliced and eaten with a > bit of Kerry Gold butter. If someone has a good recipe, please post it > to the list. I am sure I am not the only one who would use it. I'd > like to serve at my St Patrick's Day dinner. Again, it is cooked in a > loaf pan and not a round bread with the cross on top. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/

In Ireland the brown bread is made with "wholemeal" flour, usually Odlum's brand ie a coarsely ground wheat flour. Very hard to find in US. King Arthur Flour makes an "Irish-Style" wheat flour as a substitute ..to use for making "brown bread". Substituting plain US "whole wheat flour" will never give an authentic brown bread, sadly :( For recipes google "brown bread Ireland" ..there are many from pubs etc from natives. Cheers! Kate > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:32:25 -0800 > From: nymets11@pacbell.net > To: ny-irish-l@rootsweb.com; Irish-American-L@rootsweb.com; Can-Ontario-Irish-L@rootsweb.com; Irish-In-UK-L@rootsweb.com; New-England-Irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NY-IRISH] Irish brown bread > > I go through this every year when I try to replicate that great Irish > brown bread you get at restaurants in Ireland. It is not the > traditional soda bread but a loaf bread that is sliced and eaten with a > bit of Kerry Gold butter. If someone has a good recipe, please post it > to the list. I am sure I am not the only one who would use it. I'd > like to serve at my St Patrick's Day dinner. Again, it is cooked in a > loaf pan and not a round bread with the cross on top. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/