Barb, The Great Hunger: Ireland: 1845-1849 by Cecil Woodham-Smith goes into that in some detail. It also covers the political situation in England before and during the starvation. One of the things that really struck me was that the rural Irish had been so beaten down and abused that by the time the potato blight struck they really didn't understand the concept of currency so when they were given cash relief they were easily swindled by con men who would offer them a nice big penny for that little tiny six-pence. The Great Hunger wasn't an accident. Margaret

Add all that to the criminalization of teaching the Irish to read and write and what do you have? A world power. On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:26 PM, <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> wrote: > Did you watch last Wednesday evening's "Faces of America," hosted by Henry > Louis Gates, Jr.? [Yes, Dr. Gates is an exceptional author and scholar, but > in this program he wears the hat of host, not genealogical researcher.] > > I'm referring to the section pertaining to the Irish Catholic genealogy of > political satirist (and devilishly handsome) Stephen Colbert. Some may know > him from the television program "The Colbert Report." > > Although my personal study of Irish history predominantly emanates from > books, museums, and archival repositories, lately its been enhanced by some > rich TV programming. > > This was the first time that I heard anyone publicly elucidate a documented > list of pound upon pound of food resources that the English exported, > congruently with Irish Catholics starving to death. Starving to death. > > This fact is one of the reasons I personally object to perpetuating the > misnomer today of the term "famine," in the context of Irish Catholics > circa > 1845. [The term famine denotes a near complete loss of crops and animal > sources of food, initiated by some act of nature, as resulted from h > Hurricane > Katrina.] It would be as politely and inaccurately naming of the > atrocities of > Jewish concentration camps, something as non descriptio as The Transported > Jewish. > > The first time I learned of English exportation of Irish-grown foodstuff > and Irish-raised meats, was at New York City's Hunger Memorial, on Vesey > Street in south western Manhattan. There displayed are excerpts from > primary > sources, and quotes from eyewitnesses, who headlined the human disregard > and > abuse of Irish Catholics, similar to the castration of Jewish life some > hundred > years later. > > A trip to Strokestown, Ireland and a tour of "The Famine Museum," increased > my loyalty to my beloved, brave Irish Catholic ancestors. The turning > point occurred > when I viewed two pieces of ephemera: the so called soup pot, and a car > jack like tool, that was specifically invented to break the internal > framing of > Irish homes, so that those evicted had no sheltering home. > > 'Tis true, Irish there now are not keen on discussing that era of their > history, nor continuing to lay blame at the foot of that Pilate of Irish > history. > > "What's in a name?" Plenty. > > Barb > NYC Researcher > IHR, GGG > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Patricia A. Farrell, Ph.D. How to Be Your Own Therapist www.drfarrell.net 201-676-0478 This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately delete the message

Did you watch last Wednesday evening's "Faces of America," hosted by Henry Louis Gates, Jr.? [Yes, Dr. Gates is an exceptional author and scholar, but in this program he wears the hat of host, not genealogical researcher.] I'm referring to the section pertaining to the Irish Catholic genealogy of political satirist (and devilishly handsome) Stephen Colbert. Some may know him from the television program "The Colbert Report." Although my personal study of Irish history predominantly emanates from books, museums, and archival repositories, lately its been enhanced by some rich TV programming. This was the first time that I heard anyone publicly elucidate a documented list of pound upon pound of food resources that the English exported, congruently with Irish Catholics starving to death. Starving to death. This fact is one of the reasons I personally object to perpetuating the misnomer today of the term "famine," in the context of Irish Catholics circa 1845. [The term famine denotes a near complete loss of crops and animal sources of food, initiated by some act of nature, as resulted from h Hurricane Katrina.] It would be as politely and inaccurately naming of the atrocities of Jewish concentration camps, something as non descriptio as The Transported Jewish. The first time I learned of English exportation of Irish-grown foodstuff and Irish-raised meats, was at New York City's Hunger Memorial, on Vesey Street in south western Manhattan. There displayed are excerpts from primary sources, and quotes from eyewitnesses, who headlined the human disregard and abuse of Irish Catholics, similar to the castration of Jewish life some hundred years later. A trip to Strokestown, Ireland and a tour of "The Famine Museum," increased my loyalty to my beloved, brave Irish Catholic ancestors. The turning point occurred when I viewed two pieces of ephemera: the so called soup pot, and a car jack like tool, that was specifically invented to break the internal framing of Irish homes, so that those evicted had no sheltering home. 'Tis true, Irish there now are not keen on discussing that era of their history, nor continuing to lay blame at the foot of that Pilate of Irish history. "What's in a name?" Plenty. Barb NYC Researcher IHR, GGG

I have added the following civil parishes to the tithe applotment indexes I have on the County Armagh section of my website: Montiaghs Civil Parish Newtownhamilton Civil Parish -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

In addition to other comments: genealogy is so much more than names and dates. For me personally, it's much about making connections (of many kinds) and the encouragement that comes from the thoughts, comments, and experiences of others. Thanks for all you do and share with us, Pat. Let us know how the bread turns out! Sheila

I have just uploaded the tithe applotments index for this civil parish on to the County Monagahan section of my website. This is a huge applotment with over 1200 names. Please read my transcription notes to see what problems I encountered. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Ditto from me, Irene in MD; what time this must take, and what true dedication.

There should be a STAR for Pat on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy christopher" <ajuntasc@gmail.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Cc: "NY-IRISH-L" <NY-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] to Pat Connors >I second that. Judy Christopher > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Theresa Bora <terrybora@wowway.com> > wrote: > >> Pat, I don't think we say 'thank you' enough to you for all the countless >> years you've devoted to genealogy research, and for sharing all your >> findings with so many Lists...and your website is a treasure trove of >> information for so many of us. Enjoy your Irish Brown Bread, and I hope >> you >> can catch a Mets game or two this summer if you're in NY. >> >> Terry Bora >> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, >> check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Judy Christopher > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I second that. Judy Christopher On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Theresa Bora <terrybora@wowway.com> wrote: > Pat, I don't think we say 'thank you' enough to you for all the countless > years you've devoted to genealogy research, and for sharing all your > findings with so many Lists...and your website is a treasure trove of > information for so many of us. Enjoy your Irish Brown Bread, and I hope you > can catch a Mets game or two this summer if you're in NY. > > Terry Bora > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Judy Christopher

Pat, I don't think we say 'thank you' enough to you for all the countless years you've devoted to genealogy research, and for sharing all your findings with so many Lists...and your website is a treasure trove of information for so many of us. Enjoy your Irish Brown Bread, and I hope you can catch a Mets game or two this summer if you're in NY. Terry Bora

Brown bread? Baseball? What happened to Genealogy? Pat Connors wrote: Well, that was the Tues night game! We were there together and didn't know it. I was in upper reserved, right field. It was a good game and great crowd. Well!! How about that!? I don't remember which night I was there, but I remember that Santana was pitching that night. I was there with Joy Rich, my galfriend, and Nancy, another "genealogy person" and a New York Irish History Roundtable board member was supposed to be with us that night, but she was ill and could not make it. That was too bad, because Nancy is a Met fan from Day One!

Here's the description of the list on the Rootsweb website: > *Topic:* For anyone with a genealogical, historical, or cultural interest > in the Irish emigrants who landed, lived in, or passed through the state of > New York. > I consider the Irish brown bread part of the Irish culture part. For a further description of the list purpose and goals check the list's website at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ Down near the bottom, you will find links for both NY and Irish recipes that were posted to the list over the years. Baseball, while part of NY, probably a bit off the list's purpose even though I was referring to NY Mets and not just baseball in general. Good thing one has the delete button for when I get off the NY Irish path.... > Brown bread? Baseball? What happened to Genealogy? > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Well!! How about that!? I don't remember which night I was there, but I remember that Santana was pitching that night. I was there with Joy Rich, my galfriend, and Nancy, another "genealogy person" and a New York Irish History Roundtable board member was supposed to be with us that night, but she was ill and could not make it. That was too bad, because Nancy is a Met fan from Day One! I'll await your report on the bread mix - I normally do not care for whole wheat bread or anything made from whole wheat flour, but you made the bread sound so good that I may try it. I've never had it, though there are commercial bakers here in the NYC area that bake the Irish-style products for the community. Jim Pat Connors wrote: > We might have been to the same game, Jim! I went to Tues, Wed & Thurs night > games, all against Chicago. The Mets should have won the series but lost > one game due to bad base running and others due to pitching (what's new?). > I saw my first Mets grand slam in person in one of those games and I have > been to many Mets games in NY, Chicago, Denver and San Francisco. I wanted > to get to the final games but had tickets to Ireland for Friday night. Not > a bad replacement. > > I'll report to the list sometime next week about the brown bread mix. > Thanks for the added info. > > The Oldlum's Brown Bread mix now calls for the addition of milk instead > >> of water - I'm not sure when they changed the formula, but now they >> suggest using milk. >> >> Yeah, the Mets are not very far away from here - just a ride away on the >> 7 train.....I have not been to Citi Field yet either. I caught a game in >> 2008 against Chicago at the very end of the season - they won that >> night, but it didn't help them get into the playoffs. >> >> > > >

Very good, Pat! I hope to listen to your report when you get to use the products. The Oldlum's Brown Bread mix now calls for the addition of milk instead of water - I'm not sure when they changed the formula, but now they suggest using milk. Yeah, the Mets are not very far away from here - just a ride away on the 7 train.....I have not been to Citi Field yet either. I caught a game in 2008 against Chicago at the very end of the season - they won that night, but it didn't help them get into the playoffs. Good luck with the brown bread! Jim Pat Connors wrote: > Thanks, Jim, for the info. I found Odlums online and ordered flour and the > quick bread mix and the are currently in a truck coming from the Bronx via > UPS. I should get them Tuesday and will try the quick mix first and get > back to the list on the outcome. > > Here in Woodside, Queens ther is a store that sells all kinds of Irish > >> groceries, and they carry the Odlum's line of Brown Bread mixes, Soda >> Bread mixes (white and brown) and plain flours of both types. >> >> >> >> > PS Aren't you lucky to be living so close to the Mets! I went to four > games at Shea during their last week in 2008. CITI doesn't call > me........yet. > >

Well, that was the Tues night game! We were there together and didn't know it. I was in upper reserved, right field. It was a good game and great crowd. Well!! How about that!? I don't remember which night I was there, but I > remember that Santana was pitching that night. I was there with Joy > Rich, my galfriend, and Nancy, another "genealogy person" and a New > York Irish History Roundtable board member was supposed to be with us > that night, but she was ill and could not make it. That was too bad, > because Nancy is a Met fan from Day One! > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

We might have been to the same game, Jim! I went to Tues, Wed & Thurs night games, all against Chicago. The Mets should have won the series but lost one game due to bad base running and others due to pitching (what's new?). I saw my first Mets grand slam in person in one of those games and I have been to many Mets games in NY, Chicago, Denver and San Francisco. I wanted to get to the final games but had tickets to Ireland for Friday night. Not a bad replacement. I'll report to the list sometime next week about the brown bread mix. Thanks for the added info. The Oldlum's Brown Bread mix now calls for the addition of milk instead > of water - I'm not sure when they changed the formula, but now they > suggest using milk. > > Yeah, the Mets are not very far away from here - just a ride away on the > 7 train.....I have not been to Citi Field yet either. I caught a game in > 2008 against Chicago at the very end of the season - they won that > night, but it didn't help them get into the playoffs. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thanks, Jim, for the info. I found Odlums online and ordered flour and the quick bread mix and the are currently in a truck coming from the Bronx via UPS. I should get them Tuesday and will try the quick mix first and get back to the list on the outcome. Here in Woodside, Queens ther is a store that sells all kinds of Irish > groceries, and they carry the Odlum's line of Brown Bread mixes, Soda > Bread mixes (white and brown) and plain flours of both types. > > > PS Aren't you lucky to be living so close to the Mets! I went to four games at Shea during their last week in 2008. CITI doesn't call me........yet. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hi Pat, Here in Woodside, Queens ther is a store that sells all kinds of Irish groceries, and they carry the Odlum's line of Brown Bread mixes, Soda Bread mixes (white and brown) and plain flours of both types. Many places in Queens where ex-pat Irish live carry these groceries. They are probably available in The Bronx, too....there's a large Irish population there. Jim Garrity Pat Connors wrote: > I go through this every year when I try to replicate that great Irish > brown bread you get at restaurants in Ireland. It is not the > traditional soda bread but a loaf bread that is sliced and eaten with a > bit of Kerry Gold butter. If someone has a good recipe, please post it > to the list. I am sure I am not the only one who would use it. I'd > like to serve at my St Patrick's Day dinner. Again, it is cooked in a > loaf pan and not a round bread with the cross on top. > > Thanks in advance. > >

I have added the tithe applotment indexes for Monasteranenagh and Monagay Civil Parishes to the County Limerick section of my website. Please read my transcription notes to see what problems I encountered. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thanks, Pat. I found a couple churches listed there. Mary Ann In a message dated 2/16/2010 6:16:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nymets22@gmail.com writes: I just finished transcribing and getting online all the Smith found in Flatlands in the 1865 New York State Census. There is a special section of the census in the 6th Ward, Kings County and the census list churches in the area. You can search the census on line at: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html click on Browse our record collections (under the search boxes) on the map, click on Canada, Mexico, USA go down to New York State, 1865 census, then to Kings County and 6th Ward, you will find Flatlands in the 6th Ward district listings Does anyone know which Catholic churches might have been in the Flatlands > area in 1868? I think it was part of Brooklyn but not being familiar with > NYC don't know which streets were located in it??? > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message