There is a complete NYC 1859 directory at _http://www.distantcousin.com/Directories/NY/NYC/1859/_ (http://www.distantcousin.com/Directories/NY/NYC/1859/) Jack Langton

Check city directory for 1860 available at NYPL. They may have been famine immigrants. ------Original Message------ From: Michael Cassara Sender: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com To: NY-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com ReplyTo: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: [NY-IRISH] 1860 Census - Michael Dunn - NYC location question Sent: Feb 28, 2010 12:54 AM Hello, all, New list member - glad to be here! I've recently discovered that my great-great-great-grandfather, Michael Dunn, was living in NYC in 1860. He and his wife Ellen (nee Keegan) had married in 1854 in Paterson, NJ, but by 1860 they're listed in NYC in the census. According to the census, they lived in the 2nd District, 1st Ward of New York City. They are on page 62 of that area's census returns, and lived in Dwelling/House #120. My question is... Is there anyway to figure out, more specifically, where they resided? Are there any district maps that would at least show what portion of Manhattan this would have been? Or, perhaps some of you have more specific knowledge you might be able to share. I'm an NYC resident myself - so learning that my family was living here 150 years ago has really been exciting. They would have been Catholic - so I'm hoping to find a more specific location in hopes of finding the parish they attended and seeing if there are any records. I appreciate any and all input. I'm going to spend some time looking through the list archives, as well, but if anyone has any further thoughts on other records that might be of use/interest, I'd love to hear them. Many thanks! Michael Cassara cassara.genealogy@gmail.com ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

The NYC Directory for 1861 (the addresses were compiled the year before) is available at many locations (NYPL, Municipal Archives, plus online at www.footnote.com). Check for Michael Dunn but there might be a lot of Dunns or he may not have registered. But don't give up. Look for the neighbors on your census page in the City Directory, particularly if some have more unusual names or occupations. Once you find two of the neighbors at the same address in the directory, you know you found where your ancestor lived. You are basically translating your entire census page to the NYC Directory. I did this for one of my ancestors and it worked nicely. Melanie Orlando

Hi Michael, You could also take a shot at ESB records  (Emigrant Savings Bank).  If you are lucky enough to find he had an acct there it will give you tons of info...My great great great gpa opened one in 1850.  I found from where in Ireland, when, age, parent's names ^ they were dec'd, 2 sisters names & from NYC, brother Patrick from Troy, NY...his wife's name, his kids names etc.  Worth a shot in the least, especially since he was in NYC. Good Luck Jeanine New list member - glad to be here! I've recently discovered that my great-great-great-grandfather, Michael Dunn, was living in NYC in 1860.  He and his wife Ellen (nee Keegan) had married in 1854 in Paterson, NJ, but by 1860 they're listed in NYC in the census.

Yes, search Manhattan [NY County aka NYC] Directories. Barb NYC Researcher cassara.genealogy@gmail.com writes: > Is there anyway to figure out, more specifically, where they resided? > Are > there any district maps that would at least show what portion of Manhattan > this would have been?

Hello, all, New list member - glad to be here! I've recently discovered that my great-great-great-grandfather, Michael Dunn, was living in NYC in 1860. He and his wife Ellen (nee Keegan) had married in 1854 in Paterson, NJ, but by 1860 they're listed in NYC in the census. According to the census, they lived in the 2nd District, 1st Ward of New York City. They are on page 62 of that area's census returns, and lived in Dwelling/House #120. My question is... Is there anyway to figure out, more specifically, where they resided? Are there any district maps that would at least show what portion of Manhattan this would have been? Or, perhaps some of you have more specific knowledge you might be able to share. I'm an NYC resident myself - so learning that my family was living here 150 years ago has really been exciting. They would have been Catholic - so I'm hoping to find a more specific location in hopes of finding the parish they attended and seeing if there are any records. I appreciate any and all input. I'm going to spend some time looking through the list archives, as well, but if anyone has any further thoughts on other records that might be of use/interest, I'd love to hear them. Many thanks! Michael Cassara cassara.genealogy@gmail.com

Terry, His name was Thomas West Peyton, thank you so much for responding, I will go into that site you gave me, I had contacted by email someone connected to the law school but have not got an answer, Thanks again Patricia IN. -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Theresa Bora Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:51 AM To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Columbia University NY yearbook Patricia, have you tried contacting the University directly? If not, the following link will take you to one of their sites which tells you what holdings they have. Scroll down to 'University Archives & Columbiana Library'. An email contact is also listed. It appears the holdings only go back to the 1890s, but you have nothing to lose by asking them. If you give me your g.uncle's name, I can check HeritageQuest's holdings to see if they might have something to help you, unless you've already done that. Terry Bora http://hr.columbia.edu/wac/university/info ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat" <liz3638@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:01 AM Subject: [NY-IRISH] (no subject) > My great uncle graduated from Columbia University Law school in 1877. > Would > there have been yearbooks then? If so where would i find them? > Patricia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

Patricia, have you tried contacting the University directly? If not, the following link will take you to one of their sites which tells you what holdings they have. Scroll down to 'University Archives & Columbiana Library'. An email contact is also listed. It appears the holdings only go back to the 1890s, but you have nothing to lose by asking them. If you give me your g.uncle's name, I can check HeritageQuest's holdings to see if they might have something to help you, unless you've already done that. Terry Bora http://hr.columbia.edu/wac/university/info ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat" <liz3638@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:01 AM Subject: [NY-IRISH] (no subject) > My great uncle graduated from Columbia University Law school in 1877. > Would > there have been yearbooks then? If so where would i find them? > Patricia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2711 - Release Date: 02/26/10 07:34:00

Pat, Contact the Registrar's Office of the Columbia Law School, registrar@law.columbia.edu (212) 854-2668. In most universities the Registrar's office is the "keeper" of student records and frequently have old year books in their office, but not always. Additionally, they may not have staff interested in going through year books to photocopy and mail you information. However they should be able to tell you if your uncle did attend the Law School, when, degree attained, etc., that information is classified as "public information" under federal law usually. If they don't have the information available they may redirect your inquiry to Alumni Records or to the University Library/Archives. Be sure and ask them for email addresses to contact the various offices or access database information. Some universities have a "75 year policy" where they will make available to the public information on former students who attended over 75 years ago to protect living alumni personal information from possible identity theft, so there may be a database at Columbia where you can access the information online directly since your uncle's attendance would exceed the 75 year policy. Good luck, Maryann ________________________________ From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Pat Sent: Fri 2/26/2010 8:01 AM To: NY-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com Cc: NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NY-IRISH] (no subject) My great uncle graduated from Columbia University Law school in 1877. Would there have been yearbooks then? If so where would i find them? Patricia ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My great uncle graduated from Columbia University Law school in 1877. Would there have been yearbooks then? If so where would i find them? Patricia

I am looking for archives (pay rolls, employee lists, etc) of the New York Herald newspaper. If anyone can help direct me, I'd appreciate it. Nancy peregrine

Pat, I would also point out something I have occassionally noted on this list but more so on others, listers carefully delete most of the previous message but not the Contact info at the bottom and/or tag lines at the bottom of posts. I have seen replies that are proper and short but 10-20 inches of Contact info and tag lines. Rick Shea ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets22@gmail.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Irish Diaspora & "Faces of America" ADMIN MSG >A friendly reminder. Please remember to delete most of the repeated >message > when replying to the list.

You are so right, Richard. I called them signature files but I think you described them better. Thanks. > I would also point out something I have occassionally noted on this list > but more so on others, listers carefully delete most of the previous > message > but not the Contact info at the bottom and/or tag lines at the bottom of > posts. I have seen replies that are proper and short but 10-20 inches of > Contact info and tag lines. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hello Pat etal , You are much to kind !!, If people can not 'do it right ' Just delete that mail , If they start wondering why the mail is missing maybe the light bulb will turn on > , Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets22@gmail.com> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Irish Diaspora & "Faces of America" ADMIN MSG >A friendly reminder. Please remember to delete most of the repeated >message > when replying to the list. I have the specs for the list set for a > certain > size limit.

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A friendly reminder. Please remember to delete most of the repeated message when replying to the list. I have the specs for the list set for a certain size limit. They are held for my preview and then I decide whether to let the posts go to the list or reject them and send them back to the sender. I let some go through lately when I should have rejected them and I am warning that I will start rejecting again. Two reasons: 1. Repeated messages all go into the list's archives. If you have the occasion to do a search of a name and it was in a post that was repeated a number of times, your search results will bring up all those repeated messages and a search that should have take minutes become hours as you wade through all those 'hits'. I won't even mention all those signature files that may contain your search name! 2. Digests. If you get the list's post through the digest format, it is a royal pain to wade through all the repeated messages and signatures to find the new message. Often, I just delete the digest without reading it and may pass up some info that could help me or others. Bottom line: Delete most of the repeated message you are replying to or I will reject it and send it back for better formatting. Thanks for your cooperation. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

A Robin a chara / Dear Robin, Please don't be upset. None of us are responsible for the sins of our ancestors. Nor even for their virtues. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, Gearóid / Jerry -------------- Original message from "Robin Galage" <rmgalage@msn.com>: -------------- > To those of us that have both Irish and English ancestry, this is a very > difficult and sad thing to wrestle with. > > Robin Galage > Of Irish and English ancestry > > -----Original Message----- > From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Patricia Farrell > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:24 PM > To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Irish Diaspora & "Faces of America" > > Add all that to the criminalization of teaching the Irish to read and write > and what do you have? A world power. > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:26 PM, wrote: > > > Did you watch last Wednesday evening's "Faces of America," hosted by Henry > > Louis Gates, Jr.? [Yes, Dr. Gates is an exceptional author and scholar, > but > > in this program he wears the hat of host, not genealogical researcher.] > > > > I'm referring to the section pertaining to the Irish Catholic genealogy of > > political satirist (and devilishly handsome) Stephen Colbert. Some may > know > > him from the television program "The Colbert Report." > > > > Although my personal study of Irish history predominantly emanates from > > books, museums, and archival repositories, lately its been enhanced by > some > > rich TV programming. > > > > This was the first time that I heard anyone publicly elucidate a > documented > > list of pound upon pound of food resources that the English exported, > > congruently with Irish Catholics starving to death. Starving to death. > > > > This fact is one of the reasons I personally object to perpetuating the > > misnomer today of the term "famine," in the context of Irish Catholics > > circa > > 1845. [The term famine denotes a near complete loss of crops and animal > > sources of food, initiated by some act of nature, as resulted from h > > Hurricane > > Katrina.] It would be as politely and inaccurately naming of the > > atrocities of > > Jewish concentration camps, something as non descriptio as The Transported > > Jewish. > > > > The first time I learned of English exportation of Irish-grown foodstuff > > and Irish-raised meats, was at New York City's Hunger Memorial, on Vesey > > Street in south western Manhattan. There displayed are excerpts from > > primary > > sources, and quotes from eyewitnesses, who headlined the human disregard > > and > > abuse of Irish Catholics, similar to the castration of Jewish life some > > hundred > > years later. > > > > A trip to Strokestown, Ireland and a tour of "The Famine Museum," > increased > > my loyalty to my beloved, brave Irish Catholic ancestors. The turning > > point occurred > > when I viewed two pieces of ephemera: the so called soup pot, and a car > > jack like tool, that was specifically invented to break the internal > > framing of > > Irish homes, so that those evicted had no sheltering home. > > > > 'Tis true, Irish there now are not keen on discussing that era of their > > history, nor continuing to lay blame at the foot of that Pilate of Irish > > history. > > > > "What's in a name?" Plenty. > > > > Barb > > NYC Researcher > > IHR, GGG > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Patricia A. Farrell, Ph.D. > How to Be Your Own Therapist > www.drfarrell.net > 201-676-0478 > > > This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If > you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the > intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, > disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in > the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately > delete the message > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add > your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Have you ever heard of Irish "hedge schools." They taught kids cretely behind a row of hedges, so they could hide...simplfied version. Take away a person's ability to be educated and you limit his future, but try to take away their native tongue and they never shut up. LOL Barb drfarrell22@gmail.com writes: > Add all that to the criminalization of teaching the Irish to read and > write > and what do you have? A world power.

To those of us that have both Irish and English ancestry, this is a very difficult and sad thing to wrestle with. Robin Galage Of Irish and English ancestry -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Farrell Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:24 PM To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Irish Diaspora & "Faces of America" Add all that to the criminalization of teaching the Irish to read and write and what do you have? A world power. On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:26 PM, <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> wrote: > Did you watch last Wednesday evening's "Faces of America," hosted by Henry > Louis Gates, Jr.? [Yes, Dr. Gates is an exceptional author and scholar, but > in this program he wears the hat of host, not genealogical researcher.] > > I'm referring to the section pertaining to the Irish Catholic genealogy of > political satirist (and devilishly handsome) Stephen Colbert. Some may know > him from the television program "The Colbert Report." > > Although my personal study of Irish history predominantly emanates from > books, museums, and archival repositories, lately its been enhanced by some > rich TV programming. > > This was the first time that I heard anyone publicly elucidate a documented > list of pound upon pound of food resources that the English exported, > congruently with Irish Catholics starving to death. Starving to death. > > This fact is one of the reasons I personally object to perpetuating the > misnomer today of the term "famine," in the context of Irish Catholics > circa > 1845. [The term famine denotes a near complete loss of crops and animal > sources of food, initiated by some act of nature, as resulted from h > Hurricane > Katrina.] It would be as politely and inaccurately naming of the > atrocities of > Jewish concentration camps, something as non descriptio as The Transported > Jewish. > > The first time I learned of English exportation of Irish-grown foodstuff > and Irish-raised meats, was at New York City's Hunger Memorial, on Vesey > Street in south western Manhattan. There displayed are excerpts from > primary > sources, and quotes from eyewitnesses, who headlined the human disregard > and > abuse of Irish Catholics, similar to the castration of Jewish life some > hundred > years later. > > A trip to Strokestown, Ireland and a tour of "The Famine Museum," increased > my loyalty to my beloved, brave Irish Catholic ancestors. The turning > point occurred > when I viewed two pieces of ephemera: the so called soup pot, and a car > jack like tool, that was specifically invented to break the internal > framing of > Irish homes, so that those evicted had no sheltering home. > > 'Tis true, Irish there now are not keen on discussing that era of their > history, nor continuing to lay blame at the foot of that Pilate of Irish > history. > > "What's in a name?" Plenty. > > Barb > NYC Researcher > IHR, GGG > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Patricia A. Farrell, Ph.D. How to Be Your Own Therapist www.drfarrell.net 201-676-0478 This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately delete the message ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Great Shame by Kinneally is also a great book. It tells of the travails of the Irish and the British using their power to put the Irish People in the position of complete servidtude and an almost slavery place. Judy Christopher On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Margaret Malloy <vdamore@frontiernet.net>wrote: > > Barb, > > The Great Hunger: Ireland: 1845-1849 by Cecil Woodham-Smith goes into > that in some detail. It also covers the political situation in England > before and during the starvation. One of the things that really struck > me was that the rural Irish had been so beaten down and abused that by > the time the potato blight struck they really didn't understand the > concept of currency so when they were given cash relief they were > easily swindled by con men who would offer them a nice big penny for > that little tiny six-pence. > > The Great Hunger wasn't an accident. > Margaret > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Judy Christopher