I read a message regarding spam that one of the administrators noted. I have been noticing lately that when I open one of your notices I get an ad for Viagra. Would not llke to continue getting such ads. Advise please. Don Campbell dcjefe@verizon.net

Saw the link, didn't open it, deleted it fast. Thanks Pat Judy Christopher On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> wrote: > The email posted to this list without a subject and only a link, is spam. > Since this has happened to me, I understand the person with the email > address really didn't send the message but somehow his address book was > highjacked. It happened to me when I was on Facebook. > > We are seeing more and more of this on the various mailing lists. They > look > the same as they have no subject and just a link. So, please don't click > on > the link and please, please, please, don't comment on them on the list. If > you have something to say, email me off the list. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Judy Christopher

Hi Judy, living on the West Coast, by the time I get up and start reading my emails, things can be out of hand on a list and I haven't even had my first cup of coffee! The only good thing about that email this morning is that is wasn't from me! I always check the mail for the lists that I admin first, just in case, I am needed to to intervene for some reason. Then I go to my pacbell account and read the mail from the lists that I am a member. This morning, I saw this guy's spam on a Brooklyn list and on the Monaghan list. I use the gmail account just for the lists that I admin. This morning I had about ten spam emails which go into the spam folder automatically. Before I delete them all, I check to make sure none are not spam. Today there were two emails in the folder from me with the gmail address to me. Gmail has a good program and said the address was spoofed and explained what it meant. I don't see them anywhere else, just sent to my gmail account. Have a great day, Pat Saw the link, didn't open it, deleted it fast. Thanks Pat > Judy Christopher > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

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The email posted to this list without a subject and only a link, is spam. Since this has happened to me, I understand the person with the email address really didn't send the message but somehow his address book was highjacked. It happened to me when I was on Facebook. We are seeing more and more of this on the various mailing lists. They look the same as they have no subject and just a link. So, please don't click on the link and please, please, please, don't comment on them on the list. If you have something to say, email me off the list. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

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The U.S. Census for 1940 will be released in April 2012. The following are the training films used for the census enumerators. It is far more extensive than any census before. It is worthwhile to see what they are asking. You will get a better idea of what you can expect to find by viewing all the little films. http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/07/1940-census-training-in-now-online.html Pauline Salmon San Diego

Hi Kelly, Talk about serendipity!  I also am looking for information about the Patrick Higgins that died at Harts Island. Last week I got the LDS Film - Manhattan bodies in Transit 1671687 It says Date of Transit thru NY - Dec 17 1880 Age - 67 Place of Death - Harts island Date of Death - Dec 17 1880 Cause of Death - Phthisis Nativity - Ireland Now At - Harts Island Place of Internment - Flushing, NY How Certified - James R Healy MD - 1880 census lists him as head physician Harts Island Pelham Name and Address of  Applicant - CS O'Neil I think that CS O'Neil may have been an undertaker.  I have not been able to find him on the 1880 census record. I am hoping this Patrick Higgins may be my great-great grandfather. Born in Ireland, married in Ellsworth, ME.  Followed his daughter Annie M Higgins to Brooklyn who married Daniel J. Harte in 1866. Do you have a connection to him? Patrick is also listed as a patient with Dr Healy at the Harts Island Lunatic Asylum in the 1880 census at Pelham, Westchester Co.  So would Westchester have issued the death certificate? Ellen

Hi Kelly and Pat, Besides phoning Calvary Cemetery, which is often listed as Flushing, NY on sites, you may want to email Melinda at the The Hart Island Project= http://hartisland.net/wwwebs and please let us know what she suggests. Barb NYC Researcher nymets22@gmail.com writes: > > This Queens County website should give you the info you are seeking: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyqueen2/VitalRecords.htm > > > > Where would one go to look for a death cert for a death on Hart's island > in > > 1880?

Where would one go to look for a death cert for a death on Hart's island in 1880? Patrick Higgins ( b. Ire 1813 ) died there in the year 1880 and was buried in Flushing, cemetery unknown. Thanks Kelly _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2

This Queens County website should give you the info you are seeking: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyqueen2/VitalRecords.htm > Where would one go to look for a death cert for a death on Hart's island in > 1880? > > > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Great points, Barb! Anna

Assessing Strangers' Death Notices [SEE: Post of 8 July 2010 titled "DEATHS--mid Feb 1906 NYT--Pt. 1." References will be made to that sample newspaper listing of deaths. You may want to print it, and cross reference it, while you read this post.] It's efficient to eyeball alphabetized surnames in Death Notices seeking only known family surnames, and then dismiss the list when none appear. "Why should I read death notices of strangers?" you think. Final Answer: Death Notices offer clues that may advance your own genealogy! Now, let's look at yesterday's post of 20 deaths, for general observations. Isn't it amazing how many died outside of NYC? If you haven't found a death certificate for your ancestor, this is your prompt to not only "think outside of the box," but to search outside of NYC for that DC. Not all notices give as many specifics as the one for LANCE, which tells other cities that will publish the notice. If your ancestor had family living out of town, or their occupation required traveling, or they summered in the same place each year, or they died during summer vacation time, it's wise to search other locations for that missing DC. What can we surmise from deaths in the burbs, or out of state that are posted in a NYC daily, as with BELLOWS, CANNON, CLARKE, HOLBROOK and KITTREDGE? Perhaps they emanated from NYC. Perhaps their progeny or siblings resided in The Apple. Perhaps immediate family own a business or commute for daily business into NYC. Obviously, each family had a reason to post the passing of their loved one in NYC newspapers. What is it? Only documentation can resolve this question. What other facts can be gleaned from Death Notices? Church addresses in 1906. The LONGACRE notice tells us that the Madison Avenue Methodist Episcopal Church was at the corner of 60th St. and Madison Avenue in Manhattan. The MILLER notice tells that the West End Collegiate Church was located at 77th St. and West End Avenue. Since the CLARKE notice tells that the deceased died in NYC, but was buried at New Haven City Burial Ground. Perhaps this will lead a CLARKE to seek a family plot there. We learn 1906 funeral practices. Wakes and funeral services predominantly continued to be held at "the late residence" or in a family private homes, especially by non wealthy families. YES! Grandma might have laid out on the dining room table for a couple of days, while mourners engaged condolence bearers. Kind of scary to the young ones living there. 1935 was the last one of these in my NYC clan. The CLARK and WOOLVERTON funerals were held at exclusive apartment buildings of the day. The LAIGHTON death notice reflects more about funeral traditions of 1906, and the era. Since the 1850s burials in Manhattan proper became illegal, thus promulgating burials in Kings, Queens, Nassau, Suffolk, and Westchester counties. "Motor cars" were not the familiar transportation of the day; horse drawn vehicles still monopolized urban transportation. Ferry service from Manhattan's East side carried funeral processions up the East River to Newtown Creek, and directly to Calvary Cemetery. Trains came into play in the 1870s, thus it was not uncommon for published death notices to include the time and location of train departures for those interested in paying tribute to the deceased, as depicted in the LAIGHTON notice. Finally, the phrase "interment at convenience of family" may remind you of Norman Bates in the movie "Psycho," but wasn't the case. Telegraphed messages conveyed death data to newspapers in 1906, and speed was the priority. Thus, funeral details may have been specified in the next edition of the newspaper, or the family was yet making arrangements. The next time you see a list of Death Notices in historical newspapers, perhaps you'll read them from the vantage of how they can assist your genealogical research. Barb NYC Researcher @ BL , 7/9/2010

This is a site from the Government of NSW Australia where they have indexed passengers arriving from 1836-96. The index is working and the digital images of the passenger lists are a work in progress. It goes well with the Archives of Ireland's transportation list. http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316 -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

A recent posting to another list, reminded me that years ago when I first got into genealogy and the internet, there was an Ireland site that was free and had a database of those transported from Ireland to Australia. Since my family information has evolved the posting reminded me that I should look at those transportation records again. I found them at the Archives of Ireland website here: http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy/transportation.html -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

TRANSCRIPTIONS Mid-Feb 1906 NYT Death Notices AMEND.- Suddenly on Saturday, Feb. 17, 1906, at Monticello, N.Y., Amanda E.H., wife of George Amend. Funeral services at her late residence, 265 West 129th St., Tuesday evening at 8 o'clock. BELLOWS.- On Sunday Feb. 18, 1906, at Walpole, N.H. Josiah Grahne Bellows in his 65th year. Funeral services in Walpole, N.H., on Wednesday., Feb. 21 at 1:30 o'clock. CANNON.- Suddenly, at Irvington-on Hudson, N.Y., Feb. 17, 1906, Ruth A. Cannon, aged 48 years, widow of the late John Cannon and mother of Dr. James R. and Russell A. Cannon. Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend funeral from St. Barnabas's Church on Tuesday, Feb. 20, at 2:30 P.M. CLARKE.- In New York, Sunday, Feb.18, 1906, Sarah, wife of Samuel B. Clarke and daughter of Henry S. Rogers. Funeral services at the Beresford, 1 West 81st St., 10 o'clock Wednesday morning. Burial later in the day in the New Haven City Burial Ground. It is desired that no flowers be sent. HEBBERD.- Saturday, Feb 17, 1906, Susan M., daughter of the late Gilbert C. Hebberd. Funeral services at her late residence, 699 East 140th St., Bronx, Tuesday evening, Feb. 20, at 8 o'clock. HOLBROOK.- At Winter Park, Fla., on Thursday, Feb, 1906, Willard R. Holbrook of New York in the 82d year of his age. Funeral services at the residence of his daughter, Mrs. Wadsworth R. Smith. Interment at Burlington (Vt.) at convenience of family. JONES.- On Sunday, Feb. 18, 1906, Lewis D. Jones, aged 60 years. Funeral services at his late residence, 535 West 111th St., on Tuesday evening, Feb. 21, at 8 o'clock. Interment in Red Bank, N.J. at the convenience of family. KITTREDGE.- Suddenly, at Bayville, N.J. on Feb 18, Rosalie Homans, widow of the late E.C. Delavan Kittredge. Notice of funeral later. LAIGHTON.- At Flushing, L.I., on Saturday, Feb. 17, 1906, Alfred Parker Laighton, Jr., son of Alfred Parker and Marion S. B. Laighton, aged 20 months. Funeral services from the residence of Mrs. Robert S. Bowne, 47 Franklin Place, Flushing, L.I., on Tuesday, Feb. 20, on arrival of train leaving Long Island City at 10 A.M. Carriages in waiting at Main St. Depot. LANCE.- In New York, Feb. 18, 1906, Peter Ross Lance, aged 65 years. Private services at the funeral chapel 241 and 243 West 23d St., (Frank E. Campbell Co.,) Tuesday afternoon, 2 o'clock. Asbury Park, Washington, Philadelphia and Ohio papers please copy. LITTLEFIELD.- On Sunday, Feb. 18, 1906, at his home, 151 West 75th St., Frederick M. Littlefield. Services at the house on Wednesday afternoon at 5:30 o'clock. Interment at the convenience of the family. LONGACRE.- On Sunday afternoon, Feb. 18, 1906, at his residence, 102 East 57th St., the Rev Andrew Longacre, D.D. in the 75th year of his age. Funeral services will be held at the Madison Avenue M.E. Church, corner of 60th St. and Madison Av., on Thursday morning, Feb. 22, 1906, at 10 o'clock. Interment at the convenience of the family. Philadelphia and Baltimore papers please copy. McCALL.- John Augustine, in his 57th year, at Lakewood, N.J., Feb. 18. Funeral Wednesday morning from the Church of the Blessed Sacarament, Broadway and 71st St., at 10:30. Interment private. Please omit flowers. MILLER.- Suddenly of pneumonia, on Sunday, Feb 18, at his residence, 515 West End Av., Charles W. Miller, in the 73d year of his age. Funeral services will be held at the West End Collegiate Church, 77th St. and West End Av., Tuesday afternoon, at 4 o'clock. Interment at the convenience of the family. PALMER.- On Sunday, Feb 18, from typhoid fever, Arthur Roy Palmer, only son of A. Emerson and Rebecca L. Palmer, in his 24th year. Funeral services at the residence of his parents, 615 Putnam Av., Brooklyn, Tuesday evening, Feb. 20. at 8 o'clock. SHAFFER.- Suddenly of pneumonia, Feb. 19, in Baltimore, Md., Anna M., daughter of the late James N. Shaffer and sister of Dr. Newton M. Shaffer of this city. Funeral services will be held at the residence, 144 Dubois St., Newburgh, N.Y., Thursday at 2 o'clock. STORRS.- On Monday, Feb 19, in her 78th year. Annie Blount Storrs. Funeral services Wednesday, Feb. 21, at 9 o'clock, at St. Vincent de Paul, 23d St., near 6th Av. SMITH.- Monday, Feb. 19, 1906, at her late residence, 1,028 Park Av., New York City, Charlotte Foulke Smith, in her 78th year, daughter of the late Peter Smith, and Sarah Foulke. Notice of funeral hereafter. THOMPSON.- On Monday morning, Feb 19, 1906, Colin M. Thompson. Funeral services will be held at his late residence, 134 St. James Place, Brooklyn, N.Y., on Wednesday evening, Feb 21, at 8 o'clock. Interment private. WINTERBOTTOM.- On Monday, Feb. 19, 1906, Maie Edwards, widow of the late J. Edward Winterbottom. Relatives and friends are invited to attend the funeral at Church of the Holy Communion, 20th St., and 6th Av., on Wednesday, Feb 21, at 10 O'clock A.M. Interment at Nyack, N.Y. WOOLVERTON.- Olivia Fanning, wife of Theoron Woolverton, Medical Inspector, United States Navy, retired, at the Manhasset, 63 East 59th St., Feb 19.

This is an interesting newish website mentioned on one of the lists I subscribe to: A Calendar of Irish Chancery Letters, ca 1244-1509 The description on the site of the free data offered: The records of the Irish chancery were destroyed in an explosion in the Public Record Office of Ireland at the Four Courts, Dublin, in 1922. A Calendar of Irish Chancery Letters (CIRCLE) will provide a reconstruction of these important records. It will bring together all known letters enrolled on the Irish chancery rolls during the Middle Ages (1244–1509) using copies, transcripts and calendars ranging in date from the fourteenth to nineteenth centuries and located in various archival repositories in Ireland and the U.K. The final version of CIRCLE will be launched in June 2011. This site is a work in progress. Currently they have the the letters of The Reign of Richard II (1377-99). You can search or browse. I didn't have to sign in to browse, which is on the left (Browse CIRCLE). For those wanting names and history, you will find this site extremely interesting. http://irishchancery.net/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

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Ginny, Depends on what denomination and what type of record. For instance, Catholic church records don't usually include deaths (unless there's a church burial ground), Baptists practice adult baptism so their baptismal records are not a substitute for birth records, Jewish records don't have a "birth-substitute" similar to a Christian baptism so they only have marriage (and I think death) records. And, of course, there's no guarantee that the records survive, even if a particular denomination kept them originally. Prior to civil registration, though, religious records are your best bet for substitutes for BMD records. Claire On Jun 25, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Virginia Pietsch wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Do you think any records could be found in church records? I know what > county and possibly the town. I am dealing with a date prior to 1880. > Possibly mid 1870's. > > Toodles, Ginny in Houston >

On 6/25/2010 12:26 PM, Pat Connors wrote: > Some general information: > > New York State did not mandate civil registration for births and marriages > until 1880. Most counties did not fully comply till early 1900s, however. > I have been to Albany a number of times to view the indexes (on microfilm by > year and occasion). Many early records just don't exist for the first 10-20 > years. The indexes are not on line anywhere. But they are in a few places > in the state, like Buffalo and NYC, check the state's archives website for > full info. > http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/research/res_topics_gen_vitalstats.shtml > > The NYS records, however, didn't include NYC and some towns like Yonkers, > Albany and Buffalo aren't included in the early records before 1914, again > check the NYS Health Dept website. > http://www.nyhealth.gov/vital_records/genealogy.htm > > New York City, Manhattan registration for births and marriage started in > 1847 and deaths in 1795, for Brooklyn 1866 for births and marriages, deaths > 1847, for Bronx, Queens and Staten Island most records start in 1898. These > dates vary and have gaps, check the archives website for more exact dates. > > > Does anyone know where a central New York State (for all counties) >> registry of marriages from the 1880s might be located? I don't know if >> my grandparents were married in NYC, Nassau or Suffolk on Long Island >> and I need this certificate. >> >> Have you tried the indexes at http://www.germangenealogygroup.com ? Very >> useful! >> >> > Thanks.