Good for you! I need to spend a couple of hours on it. I played with it for a half hour tonight and found some hits I need to explore. It is fast and really good. Pat-thanks for the link > Within minutes I picked up a couple of family marriages at turn of century > that I had been > looking for for some time. > > I got this link in a newsletter today. It is a search engine geared to > genealogical searches. I tried it and got lots of links and it was very > fast. I wonder if others find it helpful. > > > http://www.genealogyintime.com/GenealogyResources/Tools/advanced_genealogy_search_engine.html > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Actually, Hell's Kitchen is a little north of 26th. I'd say the boundaries aren't definite, but Wikipedia says 34th to 59th, between 8th and the Hudson River. Chelsea is a different area, south of Hell's Kitchen -- Hell's Kitchen is a/k/a Clinton, not Chelsea. I was living in NYC when the realtors started trying to get people to use "Clinton" as the name and put out neighborhood maps showing "Clinton." NYers scoffed. 26th St. is Chelsea. St. Francis of Assisi is on W. 31 St., founded 1844; see http://www.stfrancisnyc.org/ . I can't swear that this is the right parish, but if not, they should be able to direct you to the current parish that covers your address, and that parish may be able to tell you when they were founded and what their mother parish was, if it was founded after the date you're interested in. HTH Claire K. On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:51 PM, CasperVeth@aol.com wrote: > Thanks. So that means my great grandfather lived in Hell's Kitchen if was > listed as living on 26th street. Does anyone know of a Catholic Church in > that area where they may have attended. The Surname is Latimer. > > Ray Veth, Middletown, NJ > > > In a message dated 11/8/2010 8:31:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jerrykelly@att.net writes: > > West Side to the river. Low 20s up to the 60s or so. The politicians > didn't > like the name "Hell's Kitchen" so they tried to replace it with "Chelsea." > ... > > ________________________________ > From: "CasperVeth@aol.com" <CasperVeth@aol.com> > ... > Where would the Hell's Kitchen section be located in Manhattan? > > > In a message dated 11/8/2010 2:08:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > nymets22@gmail.com writes: > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nynewyo2/neighborhoods/

Manhattan is still New York County. Tracing Orson Burgess and Elizabeth O'Bolger, of the Finger Lakes Region in New York; Cracio Nudo and Angela Antoinetta of Italy and New York, their descendants and posterity. ANTIONETTA, BURGESS, CHAFFEE, CLARK, FELTON, HUGHES, MACK, METCALF, MCMAHON, MORRIS, NUDO, O'BOLGER, SLAYTON, STANGA, TENNEY, TROY, WATKINS, WHITNEY; from England, Ireland, Italy and New England. Gerald Eberwein PO Box 605 Naco AZ 85620-0605 (520) 432-4631 > NacoGerry@hughes.net EN -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Claire K Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 15:15 To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] NYC Irish Neighborhoods in the 1800's According to Wikipedia, by 1850 Irish emigrants constituted 1/4 of all of NYC's population -- so they surely lived in many neighborhoods. Incidentally, at that time, "NYC" would have meant Manhattan. The western part of the Bronx (west of the Bronx River) was annexed in 1874, the eastern part of the Bronx in 1895 -- and until 1914, "New York County" was Manhattan and the Bronx. The remaining boroughs were made part of NYC in the 1898 consolidation. HTH Claire K. On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Noreen LaTour wrote: > What neighborhoods did the Irish primarily reside in NYC in the mid to late > 1800's? ... ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Saint Elizabeth Seaton wasn't canonized until 1985 Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> Sender: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:06:12 To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] St. Elizabeth's Church in NYC? This website might help you: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nynewyo2/NYCchurchrecords.htm My great grandparents Jeremiah Murphy & Mary Crowley,both Irish > immigrants,were married in 1875 at St. Elizabeth's Church in New York City. > > > I did a Google search and found 2 possibilities- there is 1 St Elizabeth's > located at 211 E 83rd St and another at 208 Wadsworth Ave at 187th St. The > later did apparently exist in 1875 but couldn't find out if the church on > 87th St was also in existence at that time period. Does anyone know of > these > churches? > Since both are Catholic Churches I assume there was a large population of > Irish who lived in the community around both churches.Can anyone confirm my > assumption? > > I also found that there was a woman Elizabeth Ann Bayley Seton who was > born > in NYC and made a Saint and wondered if both of these St Elizabeth churches > were named after her.Does anyone know? > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks. So that means my great grandfather lived in Hell's Kitchen if was listed as living on 26th street. Does anyone know of a Catholic Church in that area where they may have attended. The Surname is Latimer. Ray Veth, Middletown, NJ In a message dated 11/8/2010 8:31:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jerrykelly@att.net writes: West Side to the river. Low 20s up to the 60s or so. The politicians didn't like the name "Hell's Kitchen" so they tried to replace it with "Chelsea." Best, Gearóid / Jerry ________________________________ From: "CasperVeth@aol.com" <CasperVeth@aol.com> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 6:20:08 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Midway Borough in New York City? Where would the Hell's Kitchen section be located in Manhattan? In a message dated 11/8/2010 2:08:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nymets22@gmail.com writes: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nynewyo2/neighborhoods/ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat-thanks for the link Within minutes I picked up a couple of family marriages at turn of century that I had been looking for for some time. Lawrence On.Ca --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> wrote: From: Pat Connors <nymets22@gmail.com> Subject: [NY-IRISH] Genealogical search engine To: "ny irish" <ny-irish-l@rootsweb.com>, irish-american@rootsweb.com, Can-Ontario-Irish-L@rootsweb.com, irish-in-uk@rootsweb.com, new-england-irish@rootsweb.com, Ireland-Genealogy-Newbies@rootsweb.com, ireland-roll-calls@rootsweb.com Received: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 7:44 AM I got this link in a newsletter today.  It is a search engine geared to genealogical searches.  I tried it and got lots of links and it was very fast.  I wonder if others find it helpful. http://www.genealogyintime.com/GenealogyResources/Tools/advanced_genealogy_search_engine.html -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hell's Kitchen is on the west side (midtown), what realtors nowadays are calling "Clinton." Claire K. On Nov 8, 2010, at 6:20 PM, CasperVeth@aol.com wrote: > Where would the Hell's Kitchen section be located in Manhattan? ....

Where would the Hell's Kitchen section be located in Manhattan? In a message dated 11/8/2010 2:08:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nymets22@gmail.com writes: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nynewyo2/neighborhoods/

West Side to the river. Low 20s up to the 60s or so. The politicians didn't like the name "Hell's Kitchen" so they tried to replace it with "Chelsea." Best, Gearóid / Jerry ________________________________ From: "CasperVeth@aol.com" <CasperVeth@aol.com> To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 6:20:08 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Midway Borough in New York City? Where would the Hell's Kitchen section be located in Manhattan? In a message dated 11/8/2010 2:08:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nymets22@gmail.com writes: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nynewyo2/neighborhoods/ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to Wikipedia, by 1850 Irish emigrants constituted 1/4 of all of NYC's population -- so they surely lived in many neighborhoods. Incidentally, at that time, "NYC" would have meant Manhattan. The western part of the Bronx (west of the Bronx River) was annexed in 1874, the eastern part of the Bronx in 1895 -- and until 1914, "New York County" was Manhattan and the Bronx. The remaining boroughs were made part of NYC in the 1898 consolidation. HTH Claire K. On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Noreen LaTour wrote: > What neighborhoods did the Irish primarily reside in NYC in the mid to late > 1800's? ...

Mary Ann, I Googled "Flatlands Catholic church" and up popped this site re St. Thomas Aquinas, complete with some interesting descriptions of Flatlands (rural, became part of Bklyn just two years before Bklyn became part of NYC) http://www.nycago.org/Organs/Bkln/html/StThomasAquinasFlatlands.html Note, though, that St. Thomas Aquinas didn't open until 1885; before that, the area was served by Holy Cross church. No doubt if you do the same Google search and read more of the hits, you may find more info. Hope that helps. Claire K. On Nov 8, 2010, at 4:12 PM, MAS13751@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to all. I did find "Flatlands" and checked out 1865 Census for > that area but didn't find my relative. He may have moved there later in the > year. No churches listed. Mary Ann ...

In what document -- and, most importantly, at what date -- do you find the reference to Midway Borough, and does it also say "New York City"? "New York City" meant different things in different years, so knowing the year of the reference will help us know what locations to look at. Claire K. On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Noreen LaTour wrote: > Does anyone know where Midway Borough is or was in New York City? ...

Hi Noreen, According to CATHOLIC TELEPHONE GUIDE 2006 / 2007: A DIRECTORY OF CATHOLIC CHURCHES, SCHOOLS AND ORGANIZATION IN TH METROPOLITAN AREA, 72nd Annual Edition (New Rochelle, NY: The Catholic News Pub. Co., 2006): -- St. Elizabeth, 268 Wadsworth Ave. (West of 187th St.), New York, NY 10033 was established in 1869. -- St. Elizabeth of Hungary, 211 East 83rd St. (East of 3rd Ave.), New York, NY 10028 was established in 1891. Your 1875 marriage, then, would have been at St. E's on Wadsworth. Both are much too early to refer to Elizabeth Ann Seton -- the first American-born saint, canonized 1975 (and always officially referred to by her full name). The St. Elizabeth to whom the church was dedicated is from the Bible -- Mary's cousin and the mother of John the Baptist. Guessing purely by the name, I'd guess the original congregants at the 83rd St. St. E's would more likely be Hungarian than Irish. There were Irish in various neighborhoods (in various boroughs) at various times. In Manhattan, one of the most famous neighborhoods was Five Points, where a lot of Famine Irish emigrants settled. Hope that helps. Claire K. On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Noreen LaTour wrote: > My great grandparents ...married in 1875 at St. Elizabeth's Church in New York City. > > ...Google...found 2 possibilities- ...St Elizabeth's > located at 211 E 83rd St and another at 208 Wadsworth Ave at 187th St. The > later did apparently exist in 1875 but couldn't find out if the church on > 87th St was also in existence at that time period. ...I assume there was a large population of > Irish who lived in the community around both churches.Can anyone confirm my > assumption? > > I also found that there was a woman Elizabeth Ann Bayley Seton who was born > in NYC and made a Saint and wondered if both of these St Elizabeth churches > were named after her.Does anyone know? > > Noreen Maloney LaTour

Noreen, New York City did not have boroughs in the 19th century. Brooklyn became part of New York City in 1898 with the consolidation of NYC . If your ggrandfather lived in NYC before that, he lived in Manhattan. Joanne Clayton Novarro -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noreen LaTour Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:14 AM To: NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com Subject: [NY-IRISH] Midway Borough in New York City? Does anyone know where Midway Borough is or was in New York City? On 1 document I found for my great grandfather Jeremiah John Murphy this was listed as being where he lived in NYC. I did a Google search but can't find it. Any info or suggestion is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for help on this matter. Noreen Maloney LaTour ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to all. I did find "Flatlands" and checked out 1865 Census for that area but didn't find my relative. He may have moved there later in the year. No churches listed. Mary Ann In a message dated 11/8/2010 1:17:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Kiskatomcreek@aol.com writes: Mary Ann, In Brooklyn, there is a section/neighborhood called Flatbush. I'll try to flip through some local books I have and see if I can find some more possibilities for "Flatlands." Jackie ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Unsubscribe. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets22@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:25 PM To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] NYC Irish Neighborhoods in the 1800's > Yes, there is a Middle Village neighborhood in Queens County (also part of > NYC). You can check it out here, look also in the maps section: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyqueen2/ > > > >> In Brooklyn (where I live), there is a section/neighborhood called >> Midwood >> and in Queens, there is a section/neighborhood called Middle Village. >> >> > > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Always check Wikipedia! https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Flatlands,_Brooklyn M

Middle Village!!! I knew it was middle something. :) On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:06 AM, <Kiskatomcreek@aol.com> wrote: > Noreen, > In 1875, NYC wasn't consolidated yet, so you have your work cut out for > you. > > I know of a Church of Elizabeth Ann Seton, but it is located in lower > Manhattan near Battery Park and I think it's relatively new. Elizabeth Ann > Seton was canonized in the 20th century, so I don't think other St. > Elizabeth > churches would be related to her. > > In Brooklyn (where I live), there is a section/neighborhood called Midwood > and in Queens, there is a section/neighborhood called Middle Village. > > Hope this helps. > > Jackie > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary Ann, Here's something that might help (via _www.connorsgenealogy.com_ (http://www.connorsgenealogy.com) ). You can view images of the 1865 New York State census at _www.pilot.familysearch.org_ (http://www.pilot.familysearch.org) . Click on Kings County and scroll down to "Flatlands" district. It is listed separately from Flatbush. There are 37 images. There might be a mention of street names or churches. You might even find your ancestors if you haven't already. Good luck. Jackie

I think your right. Middle Borough is in Queens, I just can't remember where!