I am attempting to locate information on my father's ancestors John & Mary O'Brien who started their family in the rural community of Birdsall in Allegany County, New York sometime prior to 1840. According to the 1850 US Census John was born in 1795 in Ireland and Mary was born 1805. Their first child, Abigail, was born in 1839. Their other children included: Ellen (1841), Catharine (1843), and Michael (1849) Michael later married Mary Hefferman (abt 1861) originally from Hammonsport, Steuben County (later Prattsburgh, then Hornell) and gave birth to Edward M. O'Brien (abt 1878). Edward is my Great Grandfather. Ultimately I am trying to determine the year John & Mary immigrated from Ireland. And hopefully learn Mary's maiden name so that I can locate the couple's origin. Any help would be appreciated Thank you, David J. O'Brien Scottsville, NY

You might want to start with the Allegany naturalization records. They are filmed by the Family History Library and looks like they start in 1866. If your ancestor filed a petition for citizenship, it might say what year he emigrated. You never know till you look. I am attempting to locate information on my father's ancestors John & Mary > O'Brien > who started their family in the rural community of Birdsall in Allegany > County, New York > sometime prior to 1840. > > According to the 1850 US Census John was born in 1795 in Ireland and Mary > was born 1805. > Their first child, Abigail, was born in 1839. Their other children > included: > Ellen (1841), > Catharine (1843), and Michael (1849) > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I should have added a bit more information about FindAGrave.com. The site is searchable for free by surname, or cemetery, or state, or country. If you want to post the burial of a loved on FindAGrave.com, you need to sign up to the website, also for free, but you need to know the cemetery of burial. This link will guide you through the posting process. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=abr& Try it, you'll like it. Barb NYC Researcher

MizScarlettNY Thanks much. It works well. On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Mary Ann <mas13751@aol.com> wrote: > That's a great idea! Mary Ann > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MizScarlettNY <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> > To: NYNEWYOR <NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com>; NYC-ROOTS <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com>; > NYBrooklyn <NYBrooklyn@rootsweb.com>; NY-IRISH <NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 8:23 am > Subject: [NY-IRISH] BURIAL RECORDS > > > FYI The easiest online place to search for a burial record is at this > entral and free website known as Find-A-Grave> > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gs& > During this season of giving, it would be wonderful if family searchers > ntered burial basics of their families here. It gives those seeking the > same > eople the opportunity to find each other, across the USA. > Barb > YC Researcher > ===NY-Irish Mailing List==== > on't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add > our NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Judy Christopher

That's a great idea! Mary Ann -----Original Message----- From: MizScarlettNY <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> To: NYNEWYOR <NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com>; NYC-ROOTS <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com>; NYBrooklyn <NYBrooklyn@rootsweb.com>; NY-IRISH <NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 8:23 am Subject: [NY-IRISH] BURIAL RECORDS FYI The easiest online place to search for a burial record is at this entral and free website known as Find-A-Grave> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gs& During this season of giving, it would be wonderful if family searchers ntered burial basics of their families here. It gives those seeking the same eople the opportunity to find each other, across the USA. Barb YC Researcher ===NY-Irish Mailing List==== on't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add our NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

FYI The easiest online place to search for a burial record is at this central and free website known as Find-A-Grave> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gs& During this season of giving, it would be wonderful if family searchers entered burial basics of their families here. It gives those seeking the same people the opportunity to find each other, across the USA. Barb NYC Researcher

Jerry, the attendance was fantastic! There was literally not enough room for a single person inside the church - the place was so packed that there wasn't even any standing room left. We had a lot of local publicity, apparently. Well, if you're ever coming to town in the future, send me an e-mail and we'll work out a tour, including a visit to the underground burial crypts - I'm the Chair of the History Committee of the Old Cathedral's Bicentennial Campaign, and whether the doors are closed or not, I can get us in there! Jim Gerald Tobin wrote: > Thanks Jim, > > I'm sorry they cut you short. How was the attendence? This would have been great if it got the publicity first. Most people never heard of Old St. Patricks they seemed to be amazied when I showed them it to them years ago from the outside. I never was there when it was open. > > Jerry > > > On Dec 6, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Jim Garrity wrote: > > >> Jerry, I was there yesterday - it was a beautiful service! Check out the >> link below: >> >> http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=7825572 >> >> You may even see me on there for about 3 seconds - the interview was >> much longer, but most of it got left on the edit room floor! >> >> Jim >> >> >> Gerald Tobin wrote: >> >>> Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan led a procession into St. Patrick’s Old Cathedral, which included a striped umbrella to be entrusted to the new basilica. >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/nyregion/06church.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >>> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Jerry, the attendance was fantastic! There was literally not enough room for a single person inside the church - the place was so packed that there wasn't even any standing room left. We had a lot of local publicity, apparently. Well, if you're ever coming to town in the future, send me an e-mail and we'll work out a tour, including a visit to the underground burial crypts - I'm the Chair of the History Committee of the Old Cathedral's Bicentennial Campaign, and whether the doors are closed or not, I can get us in there! Jim Gerald Tobin wrote: > Thanks Jim, > > I'm sorry they cut you short. How was the attendence? This would have been great if it got the publicity first. Most people never heard of Old St. Patricks they seemed to be amazied when I showed them it to them years ago from the outside. I never was there when it was open. > > Jerry > > > On Dec 6, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Jim Garrity wrote: > > >> Jerry, I was there yesterday - it was a beautiful service! Check out the >> link below: >> >> http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=7825572 >> >> You may even see me on there for about 3 seconds - the interview was >> much longer, but most of it got left on the edit room floor! >> >> Jim >> >> >> Gerald Tobin wrote: >> >>> Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan led a procession into St. Patrick’s Old Cathedral, which included a striped umbrella to be entrusted to the new basilica. >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/nyregion/06church.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >>> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks Jim, I'm sorry they cut you short. How was the attendence? This would have been great if it got the publicity first. Most people never heard of Old St. Patricks they seemed to be amazied when I showed them it to them years ago from the outside. I never was there when it was open. Jerry On Dec 6, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Jim Garrity wrote: > Jerry, I was there yesterday - it was a beautiful service! Check out the > link below: > > http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=7825572 > > You may even see me on there for about 3 seconds - the interview was > much longer, but most of it got left on the edit room floor! > > Jim > > > Gerald Tobin wrote: >> Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan led a procession into St. Patrick’s Old Cathedral, which included a striped umbrella to be entrusted to the new basilica. >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/nyregion/06church.html >> >> >> >> ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >> Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jerry, I was there yesterday - it was a beautiful service! Check out the link below: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=7825572 You may even see me on there for about 3 seconds - the interview was much longer, but most of it got left on the edit room floor! Jim Gerald Tobin wrote: > Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan led a procession into St. Patrick’s Old Cathedral, which included a striped umbrella to be entrusted to the new basilica. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/nyregion/06church.html > > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan led a procession into St. Patrick’s Old Cathedral, which included a striped umbrella to be entrusted to the new basilica. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/nyregion/06church.html

It's a great day for St. Patrick's Old Cathedral downtown, which is now a basilica New York Daily News Old St. Patrick's is the first such in the Archdiocese of New York. The special meaning of the old cathedral on Mulberry St. shines forth for all who have ... See all stories on this topic » I

NOTE: needs the 'L' after htm...sorry about that. Starting this week you can now search for your ancestors from the following additional state archives: Alaska; California; Colorado; Connecticut; Delaware; Georgia; Iowa; Kansas; Maryland; Minnesota; Ohio; Pennsylvania; Rhode Island; Vermont and West Virginia using the Advanced Genealogy Search Engine. http://www.genealogyintime.com/GenealogyResources/Tools/advanced_genealogy_search_engine.html (if this url gets broken, you need to paste it together for it to work) -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

The Irish Newspaper Archives, which maintains the world’s largest online database of Irish newspapers, has expanded their list of newspapers that can now be searched for free, although it still requires a subscription to read the underlying article. Included in the 21 free newspapers is the Irish Independent (1905-2001), Anglo-Celt (1846-2010), Freemans Journal (1763-1924) and the Southern Star (1892-2010). http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/ The Public Records Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) has put online abstracts from about 93,000 wills from the district probate registries of Armagh, Belfast and Londonderry. The period covered is 1858 to 1919 and 1922 to 1943. Access is free. [Historic Northern Ireland Wills] The wills can also be searched using the Advanced Genealogy Search Engine. http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm Starting this week you can now search for your ancestors from the following additional state archives: Alaska; California; Colorado; Connecticut; Delaware; Georgia; Iowa; Kansas; Maryland; Minnesota; Ohio; Pennsylvania; Rhode Island; Vermont and West Virginia using the Advanced Genealogy Search Engine. http://www.genealogyintime.com/GenealogyResources/Tools/advanced_genealogy_search_engine.htm (if this url gets broken, you need to paste it together for it to work) -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I have just added the tithe applotments index for Magheross Civil Parish to the County Monaghan section of my website. Please read my transcription notes because I encountered a number of problems with this parish. It is huge, almost 1500 names. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Great family history research story, Pauline. It so shows the trials and tribulations of looking for the records of our ancestors. I know you probably already did this, but I am wondering if you looked at any NYC births filmed by the Family History Library. It is a two step process. First the index film by year, then if found in the index, you will get the volume and page number in the records and you need the film for the records. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nynewyo2/VitalRecords.htm#LDS This site give all available Family History Film numbers. > Tillie's father was an iceman. The day the census was conducted was > June 1, 1905. Adele was in the fourth grade. Tillie lived in > another area of Brooklyn. This is the same Adele who was born in > Brooklyn, but there is no birth certificate for her. She was born in > September 1894. The New York City Archives have no record of her > birth. Requests have been sent by different people over the years. > Nothing found for 1894, 1893 or 1895. There is no baptismal record > in any of the Roman Catholic Churches in the area of Red Hook or > surrounding areas. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

From your post on Sunday 11/28/10 I copied the web address and I found the elusive Adele, my Mother. I was hoping to get the 1892 Census with my grandfather John Johnson's family. I did get the 1905 Census and everyone was there except my Mother. Where could she be, she was just a little girl. I typed in her name and I found her. She was visiting her cousin Tillie. Tillie was 16 at the time and worked in a Laundry. Her Mom was Grandma's sister and from what I gather was a very fragile lady. Tillie's father was an iceman. The day the census was conducted was June 1, 1905. Adele was in the fourth grade. Tillie lived in another area of Brooklyn. This is the same Adele who was born in Brooklyn, but there is no birth certificate for her. She was born in September 1894. The New York City Archives have no record of her birth. Requests have been sent by different people over the years. Nothing found for 1894, 1893 or 1895. There is no baptismal record in any of the Roman Catholic Churches in the area of Red Hook or surrounding areas. In 1966 she wanted to visit my brother at his Franciscan missionary site in Goias, Brazil. She had a difficult time getting a passport. They finally found her in the 1900 census where the census taker spelled her name as Ordell. My Grandmother and her sister were born in Georgia and raised in Charleston, South Carolina. It could explain that the Census taker listening to a Southern accent heard what sounded like Ordell. They spent years in an orphanage after the death of their father an immigrant confectioner from France. Their Mother was not able to keep them. She worked as a housekeeper for a pharmacist in Charleston. She would go to the Charleston Market and after several years met a man who was a fruitier. He had several children. The couple married and first the youngest daughter was brought to live with them and then my Grandmother. My great grandmother was expecting a child. On the day of the birth, both Mother and child died and the youngest child went back to the orphanage. Grandma who was 18 married a young Norwegian who worked for the Revenue Service (U.S. Coast Guard) aboard the McCulloch. Pauline

I just was looking for my grandfather, and when I found him and clicked on him, it took me to the census page image. Nice. > Here is what I found, first go here: > https://beta.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1&region=NORTH_AMERICA > Scroll down to New York State Census 1905 and click on link > > This brings you to site where you can either search, or scrolling down a > bit, click on Browse through 110,718 images. > That will take you to page where you pick the county, town/city, ward, etc. > to see the actual images. > > My suggestion is to use the search option first, then copy where exactly > your family of interest lived, town/city, ward, address, dwelling & family > number, census page number, etc. Using that info, then go to the actual > images and check out the census page. > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I am going to try to get this right this time. Yesterday I sent around an email with the wrong census year in the subject. Plus, some are having problems finding the 1905 census with the link I sent, so after further research, I am updating the link. Here is what I found, first go here: https://beta.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1&region=NORTH_AMERICA Scroll down to New York State Census 1905 and click on link This brings you to site where you can either search, or scrolling down a bit, click on Browse through 110,718 images. That will take you to page where you pick the county, town/city, ward, etc. to see the actual images. My suggestion is to use the search option first, then copy where exactly your family of interest lived, town/city, ward, address, dwelling & family number, census page number, etc. Using that info, then go to the actual images and check out the census page. Hope that helps, if not write to the list and I'll see if I can help. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

FamilySearch has completed indexing the 1905 New York State census. Images of the original census documents are available for viewing. Access is free. https://beta.familysearch.org/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com