It wasn't in NYC, rather it was just West of Rochester and the community was also named Industry. The community still exists, as for the school, I don't know. When I was a young boy the worst thing that could happen was to be sent to Industry. There they made you behave and work. One time a school counselor asked me, "What are you good at doing?" "Raisin' hell and causin' trouble, mostly. The rest you don't wanna' hear." She asked, "What dont I want to hear?" "'bout me and girls." Her face turned red and she muttered, "Never mind." Then continued, "Well if you don't change you're gonna' end up in Industry. And, they won't put up with your trouble and hell raising." "If there aren't girls there I ain't goin'." I retorted She shook her head and said, "You're impossible." I replied, "Thank you, ma'am," and made a break for the office door. She never called me in again. But that was the legend that industry had on us youngsters in NYS during my time there. Tracing Orson Burgess and Elizabeth O'Bolger, of the Finger Lakes Region in New York; Cracio Nudo and Angela Antoinetta of Italy and New York, their descendants and posterity. ANTIONETTA, BURGESS, CHAFFEE, CLARK, FELTON, HUGHES, MACK, METCALF, MCMAHON, MORRIS, NUDO, O'BOLGER, SLAYTON, STANGA, TENNEY, TROY, WATKINS, WHITNEY; from England, Ireland, Italy and New England. Gerald Eberwein PO Box 605 Naco AZ 85620-0605 (520) 432-4631 > NacoGerry@hughes.net EN -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SHEILA FOREMAN Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:09 To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] ROCLOCAAddendum NYS Agricultural and Industrial School Males Anna, Industiral Schools were just that. They were the reformatories of their day. Sheila --- On Sat, 1/1/11, Anna Caulfield <acaulfield182@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Anna Caulfield <acaulfield182@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] ROCLOCAAddendum NYS Agricultural and > Industrial School Males > To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, 1 January, 2011, 13:25 Very interesting! An 1897 > newspaper article says that my great-grandfather was sent to "the > disciplinary training school." That does not sound like this kind of > institution. Does anybody know where this was in NYC? > Thanks > Anna Caulfield > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "MizScarlettNY@aol.com" > <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> > To: MizScarlettNY@aol.com; > NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com; > NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com; > > NYBrooklyn@rootsweb.com; > NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 12:44:44 PM > Subject: [NY-IRISH] ROCLOCAAddendum NYS Agricultural and Industrial > School Males > > This was located in the Rochester, Monroe County NY area. > SEE photos: > http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/rochimag/architecture/LostRochester/Wes > ternHouse/WesternHouse.htm > > > ========================= > > Since this was the first school of its kind > established in NYS, it is > > possible that residents of metro NYC were sent there. > Records are organized by > > > date of admission. > > > > Barb > > NYC Researcher > > > > =============== > > New York State Agricultural and Industrial School Male > Inmate Case History > > Books > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
My uncle was said to have been sent to a "reform" scchool at age 14. He grew up in Manhattan , west 40's...this wood have been the 1930s. Where was school? Names? Thanks kelly On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Anna Caulfield <acaulfield182@yahoo.com>wrote: > Very interesting! An 1897 newspaper article says that my great-grandfather > was > sent to "the disciplinary training school." That does not sound like this > kind > of institution. Does anybody know where this was in NYC? > Thanks > Anna Caulfield > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "MizScarlettNY@aol.com" <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> > To: MizScarlettNY@aol.com; NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com; NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com; > NYBrooklyn@rootsweb.com; NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 12:44:44 PM > Subject: [NY-IRISH] ROCLOCAAddendum NYS Agricultural and Industrial School > Males > > This was located in the Rochester, Monroe County NY area. > SEE photos: > > http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/rochimag/architecture/LostRochester/WesternHouse/WesternHouse.htm > > > ========================= > > Since this was the first school of its kind established in NYS, it is > > possible that residents of metro NYC were sent there. Records are > organized by > > > date of admission. > > > > Barb > > NYC Researcher > > > > =============== > > New York State Agricultural and Industrial School Male Inmate Case > History > > Books > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add > your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *m*
Very interesting! An 1897 newspaper article says that my great-grandfather was sent to "the disciplinary training school." That does not sound like this kind of institution. Does anybody know where this was in NYC? Thanks Anna Caulfield ________________________________ From: "MizScarlettNY@aol.com" <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> To: MizScarlettNY@aol.com; NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com; NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com; NYBrooklyn@rootsweb.com; NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 12:44:44 PM Subject: [NY-IRISH] ROCLOCAAddendum NYS Agricultural and Industrial School Males This was located in the Rochester, Monroe County NY area. SEE photos: http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/rochimag/architecture/LostRochester/WesternHouse/WesternHouse.htm ========================= > Since this was the first school of its kind established in NYS, it is > possible that residents of metro NYC were sent there. Records are organized by > date of admission. > > Barb > NYC Researcher > > =============== > New York State Agricultural and Industrial School Male Inmate Case History > Books > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This was located in the Rochester, Monroe County NY area. SEE photos: http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/rochimag/architecture/LostRochester/WesternHouse/WesternHouse.htm ========================= > Since this was the first school of its kind established in NYS, it is > possible that residents of metro NYC were sent there. Records are organized by > date of admission. > > Barb > NYC Researcher > > =============== > New York State Agricultural and Industrial School Male Inmate Case History > Books >
Since this was the first school of its kind established in NYS, it is possible that residents of metro NYC were sent there. Records are organized by date of admission. Barb NYC Researcher =============== New York State Agricultural and Industrial School Male Inmate Case History Books Creator: New York State Agricultural and Industrial School Title: Male inmate case history books Dates: 1849-1939 Quantity: 16 cubic feet (48 volumes) Summary: The Western House of Refuge was established as the first state reformatory in the nation by the New York State Legislature in 1846. The institution's name was changed to the New York State Industrial School in 1886 and New York State Agricultural and Industrial School in 1907. This series contains basic information, including personal, family, and criminal history, regarding each male inmate admitted during the period from 1849 to 1939. Series Number: A1906 Repository: New York State Archives Address: New York State Education Department Cultural Education Center Albany, NY 12230 Arrangement This series is arranged chronologically by admission date and numerically by inmate number.Scope and Content Note This series contains basic information, including personal, family, and criminal history, regarding each male inmate admitted during the period from 1849 to 1939. Most of the information was entered at the time of admission, with some additional information added later to document inmates' progress or changes in status. The first eight volumes (to 1871) contain handwritten, narrative case histories. After November 1871, information was entered on a standard printed form, which was revised and expanded in 1875 and 1889.For the period from 1849 to 1871 (volumes 1-8), the case histories contain the following information on each inmate: age, name, committing court, criminal offense, previous crimes, education, quality of companions, grade assignment, discharge, indenture, activity after discharge (infrequently included), and general comments on problems and prospects (infrequently included). Information provided on parents includes nationality, whether owner of own home, and criminal history. http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/research/fa/A1906.shtml, which says:
Not a problem. We've all "been there" and "done that" and the older I get the more I do it! Clare -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Bora Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 4:54 PM To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] accessing HeritageQuest: To Terry Clare, and all other Listers...I really need to apologize. It wasn't Heritage Quest...it was the Historical Newspapers at Ancestry. I don't know where my head is lately. Mea culpa. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Higgins" <clarehiggins@comcast.net> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] accessing HeritageQuest: To Terry > Hi, Terry. I also access Heritage Quest through my local library but it > only > shows me census records, books, PERSI, Revolutionary War data, Freedman's > Bank and U.S. Serial Set. I didn't even know they showed obits, births and > marriages. How do you access them? > > Thanks, > > Clare Higgins > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Clare, and all other Listers...I really need to apologize. It wasn't Heritage Quest...it was the Historical Newspapers at Ancestry. I don't know where my head is lately. Mea culpa. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Higgins" <clarehiggins@comcast.net> To: <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] accessing HeritageQuest: To Terry > Hi, Terry. I also access Heritage Quest through my local library but it > only > shows me census records, books, PERSI, Revolutionary War data, Freedman's > Bank and U.S. Serial Set. I didn't even know they showed obits, births and > marriages. How do you access them? > > Thanks, > > Clare Higgins > >
Heritage Quest [HQ] is especially wonderful when you want to locate somone hiding in a census record. With it, you can even orchestrate a search by first name only! How cool is that? Barb ========================= clarehiggins@comcast.net writes: > Hi, Terry. I also access Heritage Quest through my local library
You are so welcome! Clare -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Evelyn & Bill Hinkle Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:14 AM To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: [NY-IRISH] My deepest thanks What an awesome group subscribes to this list. I have received the articles I requested for Msgr. Luke Evers and have also gotten clues to find him in a book. One of the pages actually had his picture. I am so grateful to each and every one of you. God Bless You all. Bill Hinkle ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
What an awesome group subscribes to this list. I have received the articles I requested for Msgr. Luke Evers and have also gotten clues to find him in a book. One of the pages actually had his picture. I am so grateful to each and every one of you. God Bless You all. Bill Hinkle
Hi, Terry. I also access Heritage Quest through my local library but it only shows me census records, books, PERSI, Revolutionary War data, Freedman's Bank and U.S. Serial Set. I didn't even know they showed obits, births and marriages. How do you access them? Thanks, Clare Higgins -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Bora Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:53 PM To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] accessing HeritageQuest Patricia, I access it from home through one of my local libraries. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia E Richardson" Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Boy do I need help!!! (Mgr. Luke Evers) Terry, where can I access Heritage Quest? ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Patricia, I access it from home through one of my local libraries. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia E Richardson" Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Boy do I need help!!! (Mgr. Luke Evers) Terry, where can I access Heritage Quest?
Terry, where can I access Heritage Quest? Bill, if you haven't gotten them yet, I can send you two obits for Monsignor Evers, but I can't access the Oct. 4, 1925 article. HeritageQuest only lets me see obits, births and marriages. I can't find any pictures of him. Terry Bora --
Bill, if you haven't gotten them yet, I can send you two obits for Monsignor Evers, but I can't access the Oct. 4, 1925 article. HeritageQuest only lets me see obits, births and marriages. I can't find any pictures of him. Terry Bora ----- Original Message ----- Does anyone have access to the New York Times articles. There are a couple I wanted to see, but in order to see them I would have to subscribe. Bill Hinkle Port Orange, Florida
Thank you for your insight, Robert. Additionally, the numbers of clergy, nuns, and volunteers has declined over the years as fewer people belong to churches. Some churches have volunteers who work part-time specifically to handle such certificate requests. Some even work from 4- 6 pm, or work one day per week. Another factor is the language interference. This is especially true for churches located in the Lower East Side, but includes other historical churches. Over time a church's cultural constituency has changed from Irish/German/Italian to Chinese, Korean, and native speakers of other languages. They may not attempt to search alternative surname spellings, or follow a surname into additional years, as is done automatically by the seasoned staff at St. Patrick's Old Cathedral, now basicilia. I look forward to a response online from Rosemary Ardolino, about obtaining regional Roman Catholic records. Given the facts stated above, my hunch is that many researchers request church certificates without researching the church's present location and holdings. I also suspect many write letters which are too genealogically detailed, tangental, or unfocused, in contrast to the recommendations in my book. Barb NYC Researcher ============================ robert_babcock@hotmail.com writes: > > To be fair to the church and its' personnel... > Many of the old Brooklyn Churches were very large and performed many > ceremonies over the past 200 years. That translates to a lot of old hand-written > books to go through. > These same churches are often now considered to be "poor" parishes with > limited staff and resources (consider the number of Churches that are closed > every year). > I've spoken to the staff at my ancestor's old church, where they know the > family name, and they ware still not willing to try to find the records. > The staff works only limited hours and they simply do not have the time to do > the extra research. Remember that they are doing the research for current > religous purposes (proof required for burial in a Catholic cemetery) and > that consumes enough of their time. > A $100.00 donation would not come close to covering the "effort" that it > would take to fulfill the request that it is meant to cover. > If you gave them your credit card number and told them to bill you at > $25.00/hr, regardless of result, you might get their attention. >
Please: It only take a minute to remove underlines and parentheses when providing URL addresses. Think of all the readers who must do so after reading a post. It would be a helpful and less confusing gesture, in this new year, if everyone provided "clean" addresses. A proposal. Here, here? Barb ============ IRED52@aol.com writes: > _http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html_ > (http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html) >
You might want to check out this site for old NY newspaper articles. Type in his name and many articles come up about him. _http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html_ (http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html) I know it will say postcards but click enter and add his name to the white space on the left it will show articles, you can put his name in quotes or do a boolean searches and you will find many articles. In a message dated 12/28/2010 11:13:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mymarbil@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone have access to the New York Times articles. There are a couple I wanted to see, but in order to see them I would have to subscribe. My ancestor, Msg. Luke J. Evers died in June 1924. There was an article with an obit for him in the NY Times. The title of one was Obituary1 dated 06/26/1924. ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Does anyone have access to the New York Times articles. There are a couple I wanted to see, but in order to see them I would have to subscribe. My ancestor, Msg. Luke J. Evers died in June 1924. There was an article with an obit for him in the NY Times. The title of one was Obituary1 dated 06/26/1924. There obviously was a high mass at St. Patrick's for him. I am hoping there were pictures of him too. Another article listed Msg. Evers left $55,8?9 and listed his relatives to whom he left money. This is one article I would love to see so I can tie him into the family. That article was 10/04/1925. . If anyone was the ability to email me the copies of these articles I would appreciate it very much. My gr-gr-gr grandfather, Martin Lyons of Ossining was married to Rosanna Evers who is the sister of Msg. Luke Evers. Thanks so very much for any help you can give. You can email me at mymarbil@yahoo.com. Bill Hinkle Port Orange, Florida
Hello David, Finding pre-1850 records in western NY state is a challenge. Here is a list of items that may provide info on John and Mary O'BRIEN and descendants. In NY state most of the records are stored at the local town or county. The local libraries and historical societies may have useful collections. 1 - NY state census records for 1855, 1865 - to identify if John and Mary were still living in 1855, 1865. 2 - Cemetery records to obtain the date of death for John and Mary. If you can identify a date and location then look for the probate records for that location. 3 - Finding cemetery records may help to identify a church that they attended. 4 - Church records for the marriage of their daughters may identify their mother's maiden name. 5 - When did the daughters die ? Obituary records for their daughters may provide info on their parents. A daughter's death cert may list her mother's maiden name. 6 - Birdsall is a distance from Monroe County - nevertheless, the Rochester public library has a wonderful index to old NY state newspapers that printed small items about residents of the surrounding towns. Using that index I found a tiny article for an 1846 marriage that I could not find anywhere else. Good luck, Sheila On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM, David J. O'Brien <starsage@gmail.com>wrote: > I am attempting to locate information on my father's ancestors John & Mary > O'Brien > who started their family in the rural community of Birdsall in Allegany > County, New York > sometime prior to 1840. > > According to the 1850 US Census John was born in 1795 in Ireland and Mary > was born 1805. > Their first child, Abigail, was born in 1839. Their other children > included: > Ellen (1841), > Catharine (1843), and Michael (1849) > > Michael later married Mary Hefferman (abt 1861) originally from > Hammonsport, > Steuben > County (later Prattsburgh, then Hornell) and gave birth to Edward M. > O'Brien > (abt 1878). > Edward is my Great Grandfather. > > Ultimately I am trying to determine the year John & Mary immigrated from > Ireland. And > hopefully learn Mary's maiden name so that I can locate the couple's > origin. > > Any help would be appreciated > > Thank you, > David J. O'Brien > Scottsville, NY > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
A leading member of the Irish Genealogy community in New York has just been selected by the board of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society ad a co-editor of their publication, The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record. Laura was a founding member of what is now the Irish Family History Forum on Long Island. You can read more about Laura at Eastman's blog: http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/12/new-editors-selected-for-the-new-york-genealogical-and-biographical-record.html It is wonderful that they have selected such a talented person with a great passion for genealogy. Pauline Salmon San Diego