For most of my Irish ancestors, I find they did not know how old they were (age changed from census to census) or what year they emigrated. Certainly does make it difficult to pin things down. Ally -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 03/26/14 12:29:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] variable reported ages Many good points, PJ! And I love # 1 LOL My 4th generation born in the USA grandpa celebrated his Manhattan birth on April 4th...until he applied for SS Retirement, when he needed an official copy of his BC. It turned out his birthday was March 4th, but the BC was processed on April 4th. Both of his parents read English. RE #2 secret keeping still lives. # 3 knowing one's correct age became more important as time passed to be eligible for sacraments, work, marriage, military, etc. RC Marriage dispensations were granted due to age, pregnant brides, and other reasons. Barb

Many good points, PJ! And I love # 1 LOL My 4th generation born in the USA grandpa celebrated his Manhattan birth on April 4th...until he applied for SS Retirement, when he needed an official copy of his BC. It turned out his birthday was March 4th, but the BC was processed on April 4th. Both of his parents read English. RE #2 secret keeping still lives. # 3 knowing one's correct age became more important as time passed to be eligible for sacraments, work, marriage, military, etc. RC Marriage dispensations were granted due to age, pregnant brides, and other reasons. Barb -----Original Message----- From: pjsalis [email protected] Ted -- 1) if those parents had many, many children, they might have had trouble remembering exactly when all of the children were born and the children might have received incorrect information from the parents. 2) Still another reason might have been a practice among some Irish of not always telling any "official" (e.g., Brits) the exact truth, to avoid possible repercussions. That practice may have become habit by the time a person settled in the US. 3) Finally, maybe knowing one's exact age may not have been a very important matter if life was very hard and simply surviving took all one's time and energy. PJ

Judi, Perhaps she lied about her age to make her ten years younger, rather then the normal 3 or 4 some women lied. Ted On 3/22/2014 12:32 PM, Judi wrote: > Hi friends - > I always want to turn her when I don't know what to do next. Folks here > never fail to nudge me in the right direction. > > I have received a load of new info recently, and as it always does, it > raises more questions. The big new piece of info I found was that my 2X > great grandmother's parents possibly came over with her, based on her age. > The earliest I have her is in the 1870 US census, married with kids. Going > on that and later census info, she was born between 1833-1843, and she > arrived in NY between 1850-1855. I recently got a copy of her DC and it said > she was 62 when she died in Nov 1916. Since I am positive all of this is the > same woman, Ann Daley Fox (husband Michael or Michel Fox) I am also positive > many of these numbers are wrong. If she thought she was 33 in 1870, with 4 > kids, she certainly was born in 1854, as her death cert suggests. So - > knowing that, I have looked at a range of info including passenger, emigrant > bank, old newspapers, and earlier census in the Fox and Daley/Daly names, > and I haven't found anything I can connect to them in the US before 1870. > > Now that I suspect her parents probably came, too, I'm looking for them - > James and Ann (Downs) Daley - in the US. Nothing anywhere suggests where in > Ireland they came from. > > Thanks for any nudge... > Judi > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ted -- My grandmother was born in Kingstown in 1888, according to her official birth certificate, but she later said/?believed? that she was born in 1892. Others in her extended Co. Dublin and Co. Clare families had sometimes highly variable ages from one record or year to the next. I think there could be several explanations. One reason could be that paper birth records might not have been available to parents, or in wide use. If a person wanted to know when a birth, baptism, or death occurred, s/he could go to the church and have the priest look up the record. Still another reason might be that parents might not read and write, or might not do so with ease, so they did not keep their own written records. And if those parents had many, many children, they might have had trouble remembering exactly when all of the children were born and the children might have received incorrect information from the parents. Still another reason might have been a practice among some Irish of not always telling any "official" (e.g., Brits) the exact truth, to avoid possible repercussions. That practice may have become habit by the time a person settled in the US. Finally, maybe knowing one's exact age may not have been a very important matter if life was very hard and simply surviving took all one's time and energy. PJ > Judi, > > Perhaps she lied about her age to make her ten years younger, rather > then the normal 3 or 4 some women lied. > > Ted >

Hi All, please join us on Sunday, April 27th 12:30, reinterment of the immigrant remains that were exhumed from a Staten Island Municipal parking lot. These were people who immigrated during the years of the great hunger, were found with infectious disease on the ships upon entry into NY Harbor, died and were buried in mass graves. This event is free and open to the public. It is a 5 min. walk from the S.I. Ferry Terminal. The funeral service will be conducted by Msgr. James Dorney, including: AOH, Staten Island Pipes and Drums and Tenor Andy Cooney, after the service they will be permanently entombed in the recreated cemetery. Their fate was tragic, but now, more than a century and half later, they will receive the recognition and benediction they never received in life. Please see the link below, recent S.I. Advance news article: http://blog.silive.com/memories_column/2014/03/the_american_immigration_story_and_the_important_role_staten_island_played.html Lynn Rogers Executive Director Friends of Abandoned Cemeteries, Inc. 158 Myrtle Avenue, SI, N.Y. 10310 917-545-3309 or [email protected] Visit our website: http://www.americantowns.com/ny/statenisland/organization/friends-of-abandoned-cemeteries-inc-s-i Visit us on FACEBOOK FACSI is a 501C3 New York State not for profit, charitable organization founded in 1981 whose mission it is to identify, restore, protect and beautify the abandoned, neglected or otherwise forgotten cemeteries and those interred within. We currently maintain 11 cemetery properties as well as an archive of original obscure records dating back 200 years.

Dear Friends, If you want to refresh your Irish researching skills, you may want to re-view the "Who Do You Think You Are?" segment about Rosie O'Donnell's family. Although this search is oversimplified compared to ours, you just may find something that you've overlooked. As a sidebar, on Pt. 1 the very opening flash and minutes>9:25 show interiors and exteriors of the NYC Municipal Archives at 31 Chambers St., NY, NY, originally the Surrogates Court Building. It's lush interior is reflective of when the Tammany machine ran New York. "Law & Order" is one of several tv shows filmed here. You may identify with records that continually state place of origin as just "Ireland." May the O'Donnell story inspire you to find your Irish townland. We found one this week! Rosie concludes by saying that hers is a story of horror or redemption, and she chooses redemption. Barb Who: MURTA/MURTAGH, McKENNA, SMITH, DOYLE Where: Jersey City, NJ: Library Quebec, CAN: National Archives [1861 Can. census], Notre Dame Basilica, Biblioteque Brooklyn: Historical Society Ireland: Co Kildare: Newbridge Library; Manor McBride Church; Birr Workhouse Rosie O'D Pt 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzd64YvOqrk Rose O'D Pt. 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIv9tL-sXLQ Rosies O'D Pt. 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebIH2PQteKw

Dear Friends, There are many burials for these surnames on FindAGrave.com. Search> USA> NYS> Orange County> St. Mary's Cemetery which is located in the Village of Montgomery, Orange Co, NY. I'm finding many Irish immigrants in this county, and many more as the train lines provided transportation North of NYC. Many farmers and NY Central RR employees up here. In addition NYS psychiatric hospitals developed along train lines. On census records the may be listed as "Middletown State"; if a hospital appears with the word "state" in its title, is most likely a psychiatric institution...just google the title. Note: This week I found a baby born in a psychiatric hospital for the first time, in Orange County, NY circa 1930. Barb

I just spent a few hours pouring over the Emly RC Parish baptism records that went on Ancestry this past week. While I did read that the indexes were not very reliable, the images of the pages in the register are sharp and clear. I had the occasion in 2008 to look at the film with these records at the Library of Ireland in Dublin and I don't remember the film being this clear. If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry, many public libraries have it on their computers and it is free to look at. Also, if you are near a Family History Center, they, too, have it on their computers, again free to use to the public. There are many registers in the series form many counties. However, not all are there yet, but should be going up gradually. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Odd, this email just showed up today (3/25) and I sent it yesterday! Ally -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 3/25/2014 11:43:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Using NY State censuses at Ancestry Link for 1925 NY Census: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2704 Link for 1915 NY Census: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2703 Ally

It seems to me, that Ireland once had the monopoly on the Irish records. It has cost me a fortune to get records of my family or travel to Ireland to view the records in Dublin at the Library of Ireland or the Archives and also going up to the North to see their records. I welcome companies like Ancestry getting their records and hopefully more companies will obtain them so they will be even more accessible and cheaper. Why not let the Family History Library go in and film the records so they can go online free? btw, Grenham, makes lots of money doing research and writing books on Irish genealogy. He, too, will be losing $$ if the records become easy to get. My 2 cents. On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Please place your desire for "convenience" on the back burner.It may > appear to be everyone's wish fulfilled to have all their genealogical needs > met at one station on the road to success. Then, think again. > > What is this *really* about? > Money and control. > > This is why THE telephone company aka Ma Bell was forced to disintegrate: > Monopoly. > > When you have a monopoly, you can't compare prices, as it eliminates > completion. > > And, there is another aspect which applies to each individual. > It's how this came about> > "The Issue of The Mormon Baptisms of Jewish Holocaust Victims and > Other Jewish Dead." > http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/ldsagree.html > > Only you can decide if convenience supercedes the religious choices that > our ancestors, and we make. > > ============================== > > > The world's leading genealogy website is threatening to dominate the Irish > heritage industry, according to new claims. > > The Irish Times consultant genealogist John Grenham writes that > Ancestry.com has changed the face of Irish heritage forever. > > The website has added 750,000 transcripts from 71 Irish parishes in a move > that has taken experts by surprise. > > The Utah-based Ancestry.com was sold in 2012 for $1.6 billion to a > European private equity firm Permira Funds and had over $500 million in > sales last year. The CEO is Irish American Tim Sullivan. > > Ancestry.com already dominates the American genealogy market and may now > do the same in Ireland, according to the respected writer. > Grenham reports that Ancestry.com first made waves three years ago when > the site added transcripts of almost half-a-million pre-1880 > 47 parishes, mainly in the diocese of Meath, and were made from copies of > National Library of Ireland microfilms. > The report says that neither the diocese nor the National Library was > consulted. Grenham writes, "So eyebrows and blood pressure were raised." > > He continues, "But the transcripts weren't great and there were no record > images, so we all just went back to our cosy little squabble about making > the Library's images of parish register microfilms available online." > > However a game-changer two weeks ago has brought Ancestry.com back into > the public eye. > > Grenham reveals that Ancestry has now added 750,000 transcripts from 71 > parishes. These are accompanied by high-quality, fully browsable images of > every page. > > He writes, "These are new, full-color scans, at mouth-watering levels of > detail. In most cases they go well past 1900, and the registers covered > come from all over the country. > > "Included are the records of four parishes from the long-embargoed diocese > of Cashel and Emly, from most of Killala, from Galway, Wicklow, Dublin, > Carlow - available nowhere else online - Donegal, Tyrone." > > But all is not as it seems according to the writer. > > He adds, "The transcriptions are flawed and some of the listing detail is > deeply peculiar: 'Aughrim' is actually Aughrim Street in Dublin; 'Golden > and Kilpack' is a misreading of Golden and Kilfeacle; two unnamed registers > are actually from Bantry. But the sheer, glorious quality of the images > makes up for everything. > > "Where did Ancestry get them? The source given is 'Digitized images, > Dublin, Ireland: E-Celtic, Limited'. > > This part-Irish, part-Indian company produces parish record management > software and presumably obtained rights to the images as part of their work > with local parishes. Good on them." > > Grenham now predicts that the website may dominate Irish genealogy. > > He concludes, "Ancestry is the unchallenged colossus of online genealogy. > They already have a de facto monopoly of North American records. > "And if they continue what they've just done with Irish Catholic > registers, there is no doubt they will reach the same position here." > > > Read more: > http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/genealogy/New-fears-Ancestrycom-is-out-to-corner-Irish-genealogy-market.html#ixzz2wwkad7qJ > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I use the "My Quick Links" feature on the home page for these censuses and a lot of other frequently used databases.  I have those saved, the Emigrant Bank records and many others. Saves a lot of time. Virginia ________________________________ From: Pat Connors <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Using NY State censuses at Ancestry I get to them by using the Card File and narrowing down the choices by place and time. I keep forgetting how to get to the 1915 and 1925 Brooklyn censuses at > Ancestry, and I usually get no hits using Steve Morse's search page.  I'm > recording this procedure in case anyone else has the problem I have. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I get to them by using the Card File and narrowing down the choices by place and time. I keep forgetting how to get to the 1915 and 1925 Brooklyn censuses at > Ancestry, and I usually get no hits using Steve Morse's search page. I'm > recording this procedure in case anyone else has the problem I have. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Please place your desire for "convenience" on the back burner.It may appear to be everyone's wish fulfilled to have all their genealogical needs met at one station on the road to success. Then, think again. What is this *really* about? Money and control. This is why THE telephone company aka Ma Bell was forced to disintegrate: Monopoly. When you have a monopoly, you can't compare prices, as it eliminates completion. And, there is another aspect which applies to each individual. It's how this came about> "The Issue of The Mormon Baptisms of Jewish Holocaust Victims and Other Jewish Dead." http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/ldsagree.html Only you can decide if convenience supercedes the religious choices that our ancestors, and we make. ============================== The world’s leading genealogy website is threatening to dominate the Irish heritage industry, according to new claims. The Irish Times consultant genealogist John Grenham writes that Ancestry.com has changed the face of Irish heritage forever. The website has added 750,000 transcripts from 71 Irish parishes in a move that has taken experts by surprise. The Utah-based Ancestry.com was sold in 2012 for $1.6 billion to a European private equity firm Permira Funds and had over $500 million in sales last year. The CEO is Irish American Tim Sullivan. Ancestry.com already dominates the American genealogy market and may now do the same in Ireland, according to the respected writer. Grenham reports that Ancestry.com first made waves three years ago when the site added transcripts of almost half-a-million pre-1880 47 parishes, mainly in the diocese of Meath, and were made from copies of National Library of Ireland microfilms. The report says that neither the diocese nor the National Library was consulted. Grenham writes, “So eyebrows and blood pressure were raised.” He continues, “But the transcripts weren’t great and there were no record images, so we all just went back to our cosy little squabble about making the Library’s images of parish register microfilms available online.” However a game-changer two weeks ago has brought Ancestry.com back into the public eye. Grenham reveals that Ancestry has now added 750,000 transcripts from 71 parishes. These are accompanied by high-quality, fully browsable images of every page. He writes, “These are new, full-color scans, at mouth-watering levels of detail. In most cases they go well past 1900, and the registers covered come from all over the country. “Included are the records of four parishes from the long-embargoed diocese of Cashel and Emly, from most of Killala, from Galway, Wicklow, Dublin, Carlow – available nowhere else online – Donegal, Tyrone.” But all is not as it seems according to the writer. He adds, “The transcriptions are flawed and some of the listing detail is deeply peculiar: ‘Aughrim’ is actually Aughrim Street in Dublin; ‘Golden and Kilpack’ is a misreading of Golden and Kilfeacle; two unnamed registers are actually from Bantry. But the sheer, glorious quality of the images makes up for everything. “Where did Ancestry get them? The source given is ‘Digitized images, Dublin, Ireland: E-Celtic, Limited’. This part-Irish, part-Indian company produces parish record management software and presumably obtained rights to the images as part of their work with local parishes. Good on them.” Grenham now predicts that the website may dominate Irish genealogy. He concludes, “Ancestry is the unchallenged colossus of online genealogy. They already have a de facto monopoly of North American records. “And if they continue what they’ve just done with Irish Catholic registers, there is no doubt they will reach the same position here." Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/genealogy/New-fears-Ancestrycom-is-out-to-corner-Irish-genealogy-market.html#ixzz2wwkad7qJ

Say what you will about the "convenience," of having all your research needs in one online place and reconsider the ramifications of John Grenham's report. "New fears Ancestry.com is out to corner Irish genealogy market" The world’s leading genealogy website is threatening to dominate the Irish heritage industry, according to new claims. The Irish Times consultant genealogist John Grenham writes that Ancestry.com has changed the face of Irish heritage forever. The website has added 750,000 transcripts from 71 Irish parishes in a move that has taken experts by surprise. The Utah-based Ancestry.com was sold in 2012 for $1.6 billion to a European private equity firm Permira Funds and had over $500 million in sales last year. The CEO is Irish American Tim Sullivan. Ancestry.com already dominates the American genealogy market and may now do the same in Ireland, according to the respected writer. Grenham reports that Ancestry.com first made waves three years ago when the site added transcripts of almost half-a-million pre-1880 47 parishes, mainly in the diocese of Meath, and were made from copies of National Library of Ireland microfilms. The report says that neither the diocese nor the National Library was consulted. Grenham writes, “So eyebrows and blood pressure were raised.” He continues, “But the transcripts weren’t great and there were no record images, so we all just went back to our cosy little squabble about making the Library’s images of parish register microfilms available online.” However a game-changer two weeks ago has brought Ancestry.com back into the public eye. Grenham reveals that Ancestry has now added 750,000 transcripts from 71 parishes. These are accompanied by high-quality, fully browsable images of every page. He writes, “These are new, full-color scans, at mouth-watering levels of detail. In most cases they go well past 1900, and the registers covered come from all over the country. “Included are the records of four parishes from the long-embargoed diocese of Cashel and Emly, from most of Killala, from Galway, Wicklow, Dublin, Carlow – available nowhere else online – Donegal, Tyrone.” But all is not as it seems according to the writer. He adds, “The transcriptions are flawed and some of the listing detail is deeply peculiar: ‘Aughrim’ is actually Aughrim Street in Dublin; ‘Golden and Kilpack’ is a misreading of Golden and Kilfeacle; two unnamed registers are actually from Bantry. But the sheer, glorious quality of the images makes up for everything. “Where did Ancestry get them? The source given is ‘Digitized images, Dublin, Ireland: E-Celtic, Limited’. This part-Irish, part-Indian company produces parish record management software and presumably obtained rights to the images as part of their work with local parishes. Good on them.” Grenham now predicts that the website may dominate Irish genealogy. He concludes, “Ancestry is the unchallenged colossus of online genealogy. They already have a de facto monopoly of North American records. “And if they continue what they’ve just done with Irish Catholic registers, there is no doubt they will reach the same position here." Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/genealogy/New-fears-Ancestrycom-is-out-to-corner-Irish-genealogy-market.html#ixzz2wwkad7qJ Follow us: @IrishCentral on Twitter | IrishCentral on Facebook http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/genealogy/New-fears-Ancestrycom-is-out-to-corner-Irish-genealogy-market.html#ixzz2wwkEY513

I'm looking for any information about Marie Theresa (Maria Teresa) Gray a.k.a. Bonnie Balfe Gray. She was born in Dublin in 1838, and was a niece of Michael William Balfe, the Irish composer. She married William Edgar Gray in London on 4th January, 1877. William was born in Shelburne Falls, Mass., on 10th January, 1845 ; established a banking business in New York in 1867 ; went to London in 1870. He was a notorious fraudster -- "The Prince of Forgers". He had a number of aliases : Dr. Georgius Colletso (Collizo/Coletzo), and James Payne Morgan, among others. He was wanted in the U.S. for a series of frauds & forgeries related to mining shares. A warrant for his extradition to the U.S. was issued, and he was extradited, arriving in New York on the steamship Nevada on 10th July, 1878. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison in May 1879, but released in June, 1881. I presume Maria Teresa went to New York with him, but can find no details. They had one child, Ella Balfe Gray (born in 1877 in London ; died 18th December, 1881 in Manhattan ; reinterred in Oakhill cemetery, Washington, on 28th November, 1884). Marie Theresa died in 1893 (possibly in London). Both Maria Teresa and her daughter, Ella Balfe Gray, are buried in the same grave as Mary Jane Gray (nee Rice, mother of William Edgar) and Mary Ella Gray (sister of William Edgar) in Oakfield cemetery, Washington. Any help or leads gratefully received. George

Link for 1925 NY Census: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2704 Link for 1915 NY Census: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2703 Ally -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 3/24/2014 3:34:25 PM To: Brooklyn list; New York Irish List Subject: [NY-IRISH] Using NY State censuses at Ancestry Hello List, I keep forgetting how to get to the 1915 and 1925 Brooklyn censuses at Ancestry, and I usually get no hits using Steve Morse's search page. I'm recording this procedure in case anyone else has the problem I have. At Ancestry.com, * choose "Census & Voter Lists." * on the "Census and Voter Lists" page, look at the right side of the page and scroll down to the "Featured data collections" box. * click on the "View all in Card Catalog" box. * at the left of the "Card Catalog" page, look at the left side of the page and scroll down to the "Filter By Collection" section. * click on the decade you're interested in. * a new "Card Catalog" page appears, sub-headed, for example, "Search entire "1910s" Category" * to reach the 1915 New York census, for example, look down the list and click on "New York, State Census, 1915." * a new page, "New York, State Census, 1915," appears. * use either the regular search boxes for find a person, or at the right of the page browse the database if you know the AD and ED you want. If you want to browse several different AD-ED sections, click one of them on the browsing list. When a census-page image appears, look at the upper left heading that says, for example, "| Kings > New York > A.D.01 E.D.01." If you click on "Kings," a drop-down list shows all NY counties that you can click on and switch to. If you click on "A.D.01 E.D.01," a drop-down list shows all AD-ED combinations that you can click on and switch to. PJ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, I keep forgetting how to get to the 1915 and 1925 Brooklyn censuses at Ancestry, and I usually get no hits using Steve Morse's search page. I'm recording this procedure in case anyone else has the problem I have. At Ancestry.com, * choose "Census & Voter Lists." * on the "Census and Voter Lists" page, look at the right side of the page and scroll down to the "Featured data collections" box. * click on the "View all in Card Catalog" box. * at the left of the "Card Catalog" page, look at the left side of the page and scroll down to the "Filter By Collection" section. * click on the decade you're interested in. * a new "Card Catalog" page appears, sub-headed, for example, "Search entire "1910s" Category" * to reach the 1915 New York census, for example, look down the list and click on "New York, State Census, 1915." * a new page, "New York, State Census, 1915," appears. * use either the regular search boxes for find a person, or at the right of the page browse the database if you know the AD and ED you want. If you want to browse several different AD-ED sections, click one of them on the browsing list. When a census-page image appears, look at the upper left heading that says, for example, "| Kings > New York > A.D.01 E.D.01." If you click on "Kings," a drop-down list shows all NY counties that you can click on and switch to. If you click on "A.D.01 E.D.01," a drop-down list shows all AD-ED combinations that you can click on and switch to. PJ

Kelly, I'm pretty sure not, because all the dates I have for her are under her married name, Ann Fox, and she was married with her own kids. Her mother would have been Ann Daley, married to James. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kelly Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 12:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] completely overwhelmed...in a kind of good way...but still Maybe that's her mother that was born in 1833 with same name? Kelly

DALEY< DALY< DAILY, DAL*, DALLY They were illiterate & spoke with brogues. I've researched one family over 8 yrs. Suspected surname spelling was the key problem, AND that and cursive handwriting. It's just the past month that that it was proven to be THE issue. Oh, another choice, take out the vowels, or substitute them! Bleary eyed, me. B -----Original Message----- From: Judi <[email protected]> To: ny-irish <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Mar 22, 2014 12:35 pm Subject: [NY-IRISH] completely overwhelmed...in a kind of good way...but still Hi friends - I always want to turn her when I don't know what to do next. Folks here never fail to nudge me in the right direction. I have received a load of new info recently, and as it always does, it raises more questions. The big new piece of info I found was that my 2X great grandmother's parents possibly came over with her, based on her age. The earliest I have her is in the 1870 US census, married with kids. Going on that and later census info, she was born between 1833-1843, and she arrived in NY between 1850-1855. I recently got a copy of her DC and it said she was 62 when she died in Nov 1916. Since I am positive all of this is the same woman, Ann Daley Fox (husband Michael or Michel Fox) I am also positive many of these numbers are wrong. If she thought she was 33 in 1870, with 4 kids, she certainly was born in 1854, as her death cert suggests. So - knowing that, I have looked at a range of info including passenger, emigrant bank, old newspapers, and earlier census in the Fox and Daley/Daly names, and I haven't found anything I can connect to them in the US before 1870. Now that I suspect her parents probably came, too, I'm looking for them - James and Ann (Downs) Daley - in the US. Nothing anywhere suggests where in Ireland they came from. Thanks for any nudge... Judi ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe that's her mother that was born in 1833 with same name? Kelly On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Judi <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi friends - > I always want to turn her when I don't know what to do next. Folks here > never fail to nudge me in the right direction. > > I have received a load of new info recently, and as it always does, it > raises more questions. The big new piece of info I found was that my 2X > great grandmother's parents possibly came over with her, based on her age. > The earliest I have her is in the 1870 US census, married with kids. Going > on that and later census info, she was born between 1833-1843, and she > arrived in NY between 1850-1855. I recently got a copy of her DC and it > said > she was 62 when she died in Nov 1916. Since I am positive all of this is > the > same woman, Ann Daley Fox (husband Michael or Michel Fox) I am also > positive > many of these numbers are wrong. If she thought she was 33 in 1870, with 4 > kids, she certainly was born in 1854, as her death cert suggests. So - > knowing that, I have looked at a range of info including passenger, > emigrant > bank, old newspapers, and earlier census in the Fox and Daley/Daly names, > and I haven't found anything I can connect to them in the US before 1870. > > Now that I suspect her parents probably came, too, I'm looking for them - > James and Ann (Downs) Daley - in the US. Nothing anywhere suggests where in > Ireland they came from. > > Thanks for any nudge... > Judi > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >