Bob, I did the same thing for the Castlecomer area of Kilkenny in 1901 and 1911, with much the same results, a disproportionate aging of heads of household from one to the other. A possible explanation is England passing an old-age pension act in about 1909. Padding one's age by a few years in 1911 would put one that much closer to the coveted retirement age. I don't doubt the practice was Ireland-wide. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: Tera Robert <[email protected]> To: ny-irish <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Mar 28, 2014 1:22 pm Subject: [NY-IRISH] census age rounding A few years ago I did a study of reported age/birthdate of people listed in the Ireland- Clare- census of 1901 and 1911. Far more people were born in 1896, 1891, 1886, 1881, etc than any of the intervening years. There was obviously lots of age-rounding. The ten year intervals were greater than those of five years.

So ..where was Luke Gray ( b 1854 "Ireland" - d 1911 NY NY) before he pops up married in the 1900 and 1910 Census?? "Immigrated 1865" ??? to the US? to Canada? he would have been only 11 years old - did he immigrate alone? Was he indentured somewhere? Kelly

Luke Gray (" b/ 1852/1854" ) "Ireland" only shows up in two NYC Census records 1900 and 1900 - Manhattan. Yes, that's him with his wife Rose and children ( Harry Daisy Thomas etc) That record states "Immigration 1865" ??? I can't find him on any ships lists I can't find Naturalization papers His parents maybe were named Denis and Nellie? Don't have any info re: siblings ? Don't know if born N IRE or IRE? ANY info or help very much appreciated thank you!! Kelly

I searched Ancestry for John McGaw (default settings), location "Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA" and Keyword (exact) "driver." I got these hits. Occupation was "driver" on the View Record pop-out screen for each name on the hit list. Results 1–12 of 12 Name, Residence Year, Residence Place John McGhey, 1886, Brooklyn, New York John McGuiuess, 1879, Brooklyn, New York John McGee, 1889, Brooklyn, New York John McGee, 1891, Brooklyn, New York John J McGee, 1883, Brooklyn, New York John McGee, 1881, Brooklyn, New York John H McGee, 1900, Brooklyn, New York John McGee, 1901, Brooklyn, New York John Magee, 1897, Brooklyn, New York John McGough, 1894, Brooklyn, New York John McGeogh, 1899, Brooklyn, New York John Magee, 1898, Brooklyn, New York Then I used the same search terms for Location "New York City (All Boroughs), New York, USA" and got 57 hits. The few I sampled on that list all had occupation "driver" on the View Record pop-out screen. Have you eliminated all of these men? PJ

Did an "O'" ever substitute for "Mc" ? > Not in any censuses at all, including 1875 NY state.  Just the birth cert

Did you compare these records / dates with any Church records? A few years ago I did a study of reported age/birthdate of people listed in the Ireland- Clare- census of 1901 and 1911. Far more people were born in 1896, 1891, 1886, 1881, etc than any of the intervening years. There was obviously lots of age-rounding. The ten year intervals were greater than those of five years. This was no marginal "bulge." Look at this random example. Virtually every "head of family, " 8 of of 10, gives an age which has rounding-tracks. 1901 Census of Clare District Electoral Division: Cloghera Townland: Coolderry DED Number: 104/2 Surname Christian Name Rel to H of F Religion Education Age Sex Occupation Field Marriage Where born Irish Language Crowe James Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 36 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Crowe Bridget Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 26 Female Married Co. Clare Crowe John Son Roman Catholic Cannot Read 3 mths Male Not Married Co. Clare Crowe Lizzie Sister Roman Catholic Read-Write 23 Female Farmer's Daughter Not Married Co. Clare Crowe Bridget Mother Roman Catholic Read-Write 69 Female Widow Co. Clare Kearney James Servant Roman Catholic Read-Write 18 Male Farm Servant Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Michael Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 75 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Irish-English Hannan Hanoria Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 70 Female Married Co. Clare Hannan Michael Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 34 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Hannan Mary Daughter-in-law Roman Catholic Read-Write 25 Female Farmer's Daughter Married Co. Clare Hannan Stephen Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 32 Male Farmer's Son Not Married Co. Clare Hickey Margaret Servant Roman Catholic Cannot Read 32 Female General Servant Domestic Not Married Co. Clare Walle James Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 55 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Walle Ellen Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 50 Female Married Co. Limerick Walle Patrick Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 26 Male Farmer's Son Not Married Co. Clare Walle Peter Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 23 Male Farmer's Son Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Patt Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 45 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Hannan Mary Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 35 Female Farmer's Wife Married Co. Clare Hannan Thomas Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 8 Male Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Martin Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 7 Male Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Patt Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 5 Male Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Larkin Patt Servant Roman Catholic Read-Write 18 Male Farm Servant Not Married Co. Clare Hudson Mary Servant Roman Catholic Read-Write 17 Female General Servant Domestic Not Married Co. Clare Keane Mary Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 35 Female Farmer's Wife Widow Co. Clare Keane Mary Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 11 Female Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Keane James Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 9 Male Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Keane Helena Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 6 Female Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Keane Katie Daughter Roman Catholic Cannot Read 4 Female Not Married Co. Clare Keane Margaret Daughter Roman Catholic Cannot Read 2 Female Not Married Co. Clare Keane Pat Servant Roman Catholic Read-Write 18 Male Farm Servant Not Married Co. Clare Larkin Michael Servant Roman Catholic Read-Write 24 Male Farm Servant Not Married Co. Clare Hayes James Head of Family Roman Catholic Read 30 Male Farm Servant Married Co. Clare Hayes Annie Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 22 Female Married Co. Clare Hayes Mary Daughter Roman Catholic Cannot Read 1 Female Not Married Co. Clare Hayes John Son Roman Catholic Cannot Read 1 Male Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Thomas Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 60 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Hannan Norah Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 48 Female Married Co. Clare Hannan Thomas Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 26 Male Farmer's Son Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Mary Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 22 Female Farmer's Daughter Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Martin Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 19 Male Farmer's Son Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Pat Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 17 Male Farmer's Son Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Maggie Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 14 Female Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Michael Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 12 Male Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Norah Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 10 Female Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Fennessy John Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 60 Male Farm Labourer Married Co. Clare Fennessy Mary Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 56 Female Married Co. Clare Fennessy Mary Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 24 Female General Domestic Servant Not Married Co. Clare Fennessy Michael Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 27 Male Agricultural Labourer Not Married Co. Clare Fennessy John Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 25 Male Agricultural Labourer Not Married Co. Clare Fennessy Thomas Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 23 Male Agricultural Labourer Not Married Co. Clare Fennessy James Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 16 Male Agricultural Labourer Not Married Co. Clare Campbell James Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 83 Male Farmer Widower Co. Clare Campbell Timothy Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 32 Male Farmer's Son Married Co. Clare Campbell Bridget Daughter-in-law Roman Catholic Read-Write 25 Female Married Co. Clare Campbell Margaret Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 26 Female Farmer's Daughter Not Married Co. Clare Campbell Margaret Servant Roman Catholic Cannot Read 16 Female General Servant Domestic Not Married Co. Clare Campbell John Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 40 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Campbell Bridget Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 30 Female Married Co. Clare Campbell James Son Roman Catholic Cannot Read 4 Male Not Married Co. Clare Campbell Anne Daughter Roman Catholic Cannot Read 1 Female Not Married Co. Clare Skeahan Patrick Servant Roman Catholic Cannot Read 35 Male Farm Servant Not Married Co. Clare I'd guess that the rounding was done by both the census-taker and the person reporting for the household. Did they eyeball the children and report ages that seem sequential? Bob Tera ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, I can't eliminate any of them but I do need either wife or son's name to have some evidence it's the same person.  I have searched McCa* and McGa* heavily.  But thanks for this digging and I will study it further. Virginia ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Another vanished family I searched Ancestry for John McGaw (default settings), location "Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA" and Keyword (exact) "driver."  I got these hits. Occupation was "driver" on the View Record pop-out screen for each name on the hit list. Results 1–12 of 12 Name, Residence Year, Residence Place John McGhey, 1886, Brooklyn, New York John McGuiuess, 1879, Brooklyn, New York John McGee, 1889, Brooklyn, New York John McGee, 1891, Brooklyn, New York John J McGee, 1883, Brooklyn, New York John McGee, 1881, Brooklyn, New York John H McGee, 1900, Brooklyn, New York John McGee, 1901, Brooklyn, New York John Magee, 1897, Brooklyn, New York John McGough, 1894, Brooklyn, New York John McGeogh, 1899, Brooklyn, New York John Magee, 1898, Brooklyn, New York Then I used the same search terms for Location "New York City (All Boroughs), New York, USA" and got 57 hits.  The few I sampled on that list all had occupation "driver" on the View Record pop-out screen. Have you eliminated all of these men? PJ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No--it's a Scottish name in origin. ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: VLB <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Another vanished family Did an "O'" ever substitute for "Mc" ? > Not in any censuses at all, including 1875 NY state.  Just the birth cert

Not in any censuses at all, including 1875 NY state.  Just the birth cert and the two Manhattan directories. There is the naturalization of a John McCaw. 1868. 124 Charlton St, Manhattan, which is not near the birth cert address. Also a John McCaw, coachman, 1883 Brooklyn directory, 154 Raymond St.  Family lore says he was a driver.  I have searched every other Bklyn and Manhattan directory from the 1850s til 1890. McCaw is a very rare name in NYC and so often misspelled--McCann, McCall, McGaw etc.  Thanks, Virginia ________________________________ From: Pat Connors <[email protected]> To: VLB <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Another vanished family Did you find them in any censuses?  If so, which ones, where and what surnames? I have combed all sources I can think of. McCaw is misspelled many ways. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/

Did you find them in any censuses? If so, which ones, where and what surnames? I have combed all sources I can think of. McCaw is misspelled many ways. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I have a family--John McCaw, age 30, wife Ann Kelly McCaw, age 29, and newborn son Lawrence. Parents born Ireland, baby in Manhattan. Her first child.  Birth cert is 14 July 1873. Address 314 West 21st St. I found them in the 1874 and 1875 Manhattan directories under McCann.  Then they vanish from the face of the earth.  I have combed all sources I can think of. McCaw is misspelled many ways. I believe John is related to my gt gt grandfather Patrick McCaw and Ann is my gt gt grandmother Eliza Kelly's sister. Eliza had a sister Ann the exact same age and two other sisters who married McCaw relatives named McKay. I suspect John and Ann moved to Brooklyn at some point and both died at a fairly young age.  But I can't find anything.  I'd appreciate any ideas.  Thanks very much. Virginia

Dear Friends, I found a DC online for my immigrant Irish family in 1860. Have you ever received a DC that reads just like this, and what do you think it means? Barb "Death Place: Taken By Her Friends, New York City, New York "

Very interesting thread! My mother in law, who was born in a farmhouse several miles from town, didn't know her exact birthday. She used the day of her baptism as her birthday. Marian Fagan McCabe On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:32 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > My brother who had started me on the genealogy path, felt it had to do with > life insurance. The younger the person the cheaper the insurance. That's > in this country. > > > In Ireland, births had to be registered as soon as possible otherwise there > was a fine. That's OK for those who live in the town. My father who was > born in Mayo, had two birth dates. His actual birth date was in Nov 1902 > but > his civil was Feb 1903. That's when my grandmother was able to get into > town. They were living in a rural area. > > Nora > > > In a message dated 3/27/2014 3:25:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: > > > But it is interesting that they almost always erred on the side of making > themselves younger than they really were.? Virginia > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My brother who had started me on the genealogy path, felt it had to do with life insurance. The younger the person the cheaper the insurance. That's in this country. In Ireland, births had to be registered as soon as possible otherwise there was a fine. That's OK for those who live in the town. My father who was born in Mayo, had two birth dates. His actual birth date was in Nov 1902 but his civil was Feb 1903. That's when my grandmother was able to get into town. They were living in a rural area. Nora In a message dated 3/27/2014 3:25:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: But it is interesting that they almost always erred on the side of making themselves younger than they really were.? Virginia

A few years ago I did a study of reported age/birthdate of people listed in the Ireland- Clare- census of 1901 and 1911.   Far more people were born in 1896, 1891, 1886, 1881, etc than any of the intervening years.  There was obviously lots of age-rounding.  The ten year intervals were greater than those of five years.    This was no marginal "bulge." Look at this random example.  Virtually every "head of family, "  8 of of 10, gives an age which has rounding-tracks.     1901 Census of Clare District Electoral Division: Cloghera Townland: Coolderry DED Number: 104/2 Surname Christian Name Rel to H of F Religion Education Age Sex Occupation Field Marriage Where born Irish Language Crowe James Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 36 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Crowe Bridget Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 26 Female Married Co. Clare Crowe John Son Roman Catholic Cannot Read 3 mths Male Not Married Co. Clare Crowe Lizzie Sister Roman Catholic Read-Write 23 Female Farmer's Daughter Not Married Co. Clare Crowe Bridget Mother Roman Catholic Read-Write 69 Female Widow Co. Clare Kearney James Servant Roman Catholic Read-Write 18 Male Farm Servant Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Michael Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 75 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Irish-English Hannan Hanoria Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 70 Female Married Co. Clare Hannan Michael Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 34 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Hannan Mary Daughter-in-law Roman Catholic Read-Write 25 Female Farmer's Daughter Married Co. Clare Hannan Stephen Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 32 Male Farmer's Son Not Married Co. Clare Hickey Margaret Servant Roman Catholic Cannot Read 32 Female General Servant Domestic Not Married Co. Clare Walle James Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 55 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Walle Ellen Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 50 Female Married Co. Limerick Walle Patrick Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 26 Male Farmer's Son Not Married Co. Clare Walle Peter Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 23 Male Farmer's Son Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Patt Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 45 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Hannan Mary Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 35 Female Farmer's Wife Married Co. Clare Hannan Thomas Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 8 Male Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Martin Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 7 Male Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Patt Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 5 Male Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Larkin Patt Servant Roman Catholic Read-Write 18 Male Farm Servant Not Married Co. Clare Hudson Mary Servant Roman Catholic Read-Write 17 Female General Servant Domestic Not Married Co. Clare Keane Mary Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 35 Female Farmer's Wife Widow Co. Clare Keane Mary Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 11 Female Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Keane James Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 9 Male Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Keane Helena Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 6 Female Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Keane Katie Daughter Roman Catholic Cannot Read 4 Female Not Married Co. Clare Keane Margaret Daughter Roman Catholic Cannot Read 2 Female Not Married Co. Clare Keane Pat Servant Roman Catholic Read-Write 18 Male Farm Servant Not Married Co. Clare Larkin Michael Servant Roman Catholic Read-Write 24 Male Farm Servant Not Married Co. Clare Hayes James Head of Family Roman Catholic Read 30 Male Farm Servant Married Co. Clare Hayes Annie Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 22 Female Married Co. Clare Hayes Mary Daughter Roman Catholic Cannot Read 1 Female Not Married Co. Clare Hayes John Son Roman Catholic Cannot Read 1 Male Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Thomas Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 60 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Hannan Norah Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 48 Female Married Co. Clare Hannan Thomas Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 26 Male Farmer's Son Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Mary Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 22 Female Farmer's Daughter Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Martin Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 19 Male Farmer's Son Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Pat Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 17 Male Farmer's Son Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Maggie Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 14 Female Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Michael Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 12 Male Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Hannan Norah Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 10 Female Scholar Not Married Co. Clare Fennessy John Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 60 Male Farm Labourer Married Co. Clare Fennessy Mary Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 56 Female Married Co. Clare Fennessy Mary Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 24 Female General Domestic Servant Not Married Co. Clare Fennessy Michael Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 27 Male Agricultural Labourer Not Married Co. Clare Fennessy John Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 25 Male Agricultural Labourer Not Married Co. Clare Fennessy Thomas Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 23 Male Agricultural Labourer Not Married Co. Clare Fennessy James Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 16 Male Agricultural Labourer Not Married Co. Clare Campbell James Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 83 Male Farmer Widower Co. Clare Campbell Timothy Son Roman Catholic Read-Write 32 Male Farmer's Son Married Co. Clare Campbell Bridget Daughter-in-law Roman Catholic Read-Write 25 Female Married Co. Clare Campbell Margaret Daughter Roman Catholic Read-Write 26 Female Farmer's Daughter Not Married Co. Clare Campbell Margaret Servant Roman Catholic Cannot Read 16 Female General Servant Domestic Not Married Co. Clare Campbell John Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 40 Male Farmer Married Co. Clare Campbell Bridget Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 30 Female Married Co. Clare Campbell James Son Roman Catholic Cannot Read 4 Male Not Married Co. Clare Campbell Anne Daughter Roman Catholic Cannot Read 1 Female Not Married Co. Clare Skeahan Patrick Servant Roman Catholic Cannot Read 35 Male Farm Servant Not Married Co. Clare           I'd guess that the rounding was done by both the census-taker and the person reporting for the household.  Did they eyeball the children and report ages that seem sequential?   Bob Tera

In the 80s, I worked with immigrant populations, many of them from Afghanistan. When they came into the country, if they didn't know their birthdates, or the birthdates of their children, the year was estimated, and the date pit down for them was 1/1. If their future families ever research their ancestors, they may be surprised to learn that everybody in the family was born on New Year's Day. Just like race horses! I noticed quite of few of my relatives had the birth or immigration date of March 17, and thought that was unusual. I found mention of it on a few sites that officials gave that date to Irish people who didn't know their true dates. Judi Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] variable reported ages PJ, Excellent reasons. I think the last one is very pertinent in many cases. Surviving was all people could cope with, the rest didn't matter. I'm sure that is SO true in some parts of the world.

PJ, Excellent reasons. I think the last one is very pertinent in many cases. Surviving was all people could cope with, the rest didn't matter. I'm sure that is SO true in some parts of the world. Ted On 3/26/2014 12:12 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Ted -- > > My grandmother was born in Kingstown in 1888, according to her official > birth certificate, but she later said/?believed? that she was born in > 1892. Others in her extended Co. Dublin and Co. Clare families had > sometimes highly variable ages from one record or year to the next. > > I think there could be several explanations. One reason could be that > paper birth records might not have been available to parents, or in wide > use. If a person wanted to know when a birth, baptism, or death occurred, > s/he could go to the church and have the priest look up the record. Still > another reason might be that parents might not read and write, or might > not do so with ease, so they did not keep their own written records. And > if those parents had many, many children, they might have had trouble > remembering exactly when all of the children were born and the children > might have received incorrect information from the parents. Still another > reason might have been a practice among some Irish of not always telling > any "official" (e.g., Brits) the exact truth, to avoid possible > repercussions. That practice may have become habit by the time a person > settled in the US. Finally, maybe knowing one's exact age may not have > been a very important matter if life was very hard and simply surviving > took all one's time and energy. > > PJ > > > > >> Judi, >> >> Perhaps she lied about her age to make her ten years younger, rather >> then the normal 3 or 4 some women lied. >> >> Ted >> > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for posting these links. I saw this episode when it was first on TV and it was very powerful.  Maybe even more so the second time around.  The cliché is true, one picture is worth a thousand words. Virginia ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:53 PM Subject: [NY-IRISH] "Who Do You Think You Are?" Dear Friends, If you want to refresh your Irish researching skills, you may want to re-view the "Who Do You Think You Are?" segment about Rosie O'Donnell's family. Although this search is oversimplified compared to ours, you just may find something that you've overlooked. As a sidebar, on Pt. 1 the very opening flash and minutes>9:25 show interiors and exteriors of the NYC Municipal Archives at 31 Chambers St., NY, NY, originally the Surrogates Court Building. It's lush interior is reflective of when the Tammany machine ran New York.  "Law & Order" is one of several tv shows filmed here. You may identify with records that continually state place of origin as just "Ireland." May the O'Donnell story inspire you to find your Irish townland. We found one this week! Rosie concludes by saying that hers is a story of horror or redemption, and she chooses redemption. Barb Who: MURTA/MURTAGH, McKENNA, SMITH, DOYLE Where: Jersey City, NJ: Library             Quebec, CAN: National Archives [1861 Can. census], Notre Dame Basilica, Biblioteque             Brooklyn: Historical Society             Ireland: Co Kildare: Newbridge Library; Manor McBride Church; Birr Workhouse Rosie O'D Pt 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzd64YvOqrk Rose O'D Pt. 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIv9tL-sXLQ Rosies O'D Pt. 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebIH2PQteKw ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

PJ- You have certainly covered the field in enumerating reasons for a variation in age. I'm thinking that if I had been born 150 years ago on a farm in a rural area of a country that was now 3000 miles away over an endless ocean, would I really know (or care) precisely how old I was. It would be by guess or by gosh, and the least of my troubles. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: pjsalis <[email protected]> To: ny-irish <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Mar 26, 2014 12:12 pm Subject: [NY-IRISH] variable reported ages Ted -- My grandmother was born in Kingstown in 1888, according to her official birth certificate, but she later said/?believed? that she was born in 1892. Others in her extended Co. Dublin and Co. Clare families had sometimes highly variable ages from one record or year to the next. I think there could be several explanations. One reason could be that paper birth records might not have been available to parents, or in wide use. If a person wanted to know when a birth, baptism, or death occurred, s/he could go to the church and have the priest look up the record. Still another reason might be that parents might not read and write, or might not do so with ease, so they did not keep their own written records. And if those parents had many, many children, they might have had trouble remembering exactly when all of the children were born and the children might have received incorrect information from the parents. Still another reason might have been a practice among some Irish of not always telling any "official" (e.g., Brits) the exact truth, to avoid possible repercussions. That practice may have become habit by the time a person settled in the US. Finally, maybe knowing one's exact age may not have been a very important matter if life was very hard and simply surviving took all one's time and energy. PJ > Judi, > > Perhaps she lied about her age to make her ten years younger, rather > then the normal 3 or 4 some women lied. > > Ted > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

But it is interesting that they almost always erred on the side of making themselves younger than they really were.  Virginia ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] variable reported ages PJ-  You have certainly covered the field in enumerating reasons for a variation in age. I'm thinking that if I had been born         150 years ago on a farm in a rural area of a country that was now 3000 miles away over an endless ocean, would I really           know (or care) precisely how old I was. It would be by guess or by gosh, and the least of my troubles.     Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: pjsalis <[email protected]> To: ny-irish <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Mar 26, 2014 12:12 pm Subject: [NY-IRISH] variable reported ages Ted -- My grandmother was born in Kingstown in 1888, according to her official birth certificate, but she later said/?believed? that she was born in 1892.  Others in her extended Co. Dublin and Co. Clare families had sometimes highly variable ages from one record or year to the next. I think there could be several explanations.