Hi Judi, If you don't have any luck with Brooklyn Historical, you can also try the Brooklyn Collection at the Brooklyn Public Library: http://www.bklynpubliclibrary.org/brooklyncollection. Also, have you searched the catalogs at the Brooklyn Historical Society, Brooklyn Public Library, New York Public Library, and New-York Historical Society? While they don't seem to have anything like employment records, there are a couple of titles that might interest you, including things like *Brooklyn's Guardians: a record of the faithful and heroic men who preserve the peace in the city of homes* by William E.S. Fales (1887) and the *Annual Report of the Department of Police and Excise of the City of Brooklyn* for years in the 1880s-1890s. I have no idea what, if anything, you might find to be of use in these, but you never know if something is going to list officers by name, or refer to other records that exist(ed), etc. to lead you in a promising direction. Katie On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:41 PM, judi <[email protected]> wrote: > > I actually wrote to them earlier today on another matter, because > there was > someone there who helped me before, and sent me wonderful photos...and I > asked at the end if they could help with the police records. I'll let > you > know. > Judi > > On 04/01/14, [email protected] wrote: > > Hi Judi, > Did you try the Brooklyn Historical Society? > [1]http://www.brooklynhistory.org/ > NYC Muni has this which may include Brooklyn Police. > Civil List, 1883-1967/68 > > References > > 1. http://www.brooklynhistory.org/ > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Friends, It's difficult to believe that noted NYC Genealogist, author, and Brooklynite Joseph Silinonte passed away in May 2004, but his work lives on. While cleaning out old emails today, I found one where Mr Silinonte notes that when researching an Irish, handwritten surname beginning with Mc G*, the "G" looked like a "P", whereas I've suggested an "S." This may be just the clue someone needs. Barb

A very good tip.  His book, Bishop Loughlin's Dispensations, is a treasure trove.  The diocesan archivist said Mr Silinonte had compiled volume 2 but died suddenly and no one knows what happened to it.  A real shame for us and for him after all that work. Virginia ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 4:21 PM Subject: surname with capital "G" Dear Friends, It's difficult to believe that noted NYC Genealogist, author, and Brooklynite Joseph Silinonte passed away in May 2004, but his work lives on. While cleaning out old emails today, I found one where Mr Silinonte notes that when researching an Irish, handwritten surname beginning with Mc G*, the "G" looked like a "P", whereas I've suggested an "S." This may be just the clue someone needs. Barb

Hi Judy, Did you try the Brooklyn Historical Society? http://www.brooklynhistory.org/ NYC Muni has this which may include Brooklyn Police. Civil List, 1883-1967/68 Annual list of civil service employees. Published as an annual supplement to the City Record, the Civil List recorded the name of every employee of the City of New York, his or her home address, annual salary, and date of entrance into the civil service. The listings are broken down by department and further subdivided by functional unit such as precinct, within the police department. The names are not indexed. Best wishes, Barb -----Original Message----- From: Judi [email protected] I recently requested my 2X great grandfather's records from the NYPD...The trouble seems to be that he retired in 1892, and "Brooklyn was not consolidated into the municipality of NYC" until 1898. Documents from that period are not maintained within the NYCPD for that reason. Judi

I actually wrote to them earlier today on another matter, because there was someone there who helped me before, and sent me wonderful photos...and I asked at the end if they could help with the police records. I'll let you know. Judi On 04/01/14, [email protected] wrote: Hi Judi, Did you try the Brooklyn Historical Society? [1]http://www.brooklynhistory.org/ NYC Muni has this which may include Brooklyn Police. Civil List, 1883-1967/68 References 1. http://www.brooklynhistory.org/

These were originally posted to the CoTipperary mailing list. I have permission to re-post them to this list from the poster. New York Tribune, 8 Sep 1920 Rotchford - On Sunday September 5, 1920, John, beloved husband of Julia Rotchford (nee Donohue), native of the Commons, County Tipperary, Ireland. Funeral from the home of his sister, Mrs Martin Cantwell, 526 West 47th Street, Wednesday, September 8, at Sacred Heart Church New York Tribune, 27 Jun 1920 Buckley - On June 25, 1920, Peirce Buckley, beloved husband of Catherine M (nee Hamilton), native of New Inn, County Tipperary, Ireland. Funeral from his late residence, 233 West 107th Street, on Monday at 10 am. New York Tribune, 26 May 1922 Dorney - On May 24, 1922, William, beloved husband of Anna Dorney (nee Clinton), father of Edward, Elizabeth, Mary and Anna Dorney, native of Clonmel, county Tipperary, Ireland. A member of Holy Name Society and Granite Cutters International Association. Funeral from his late residence, 220 East 75th Street, Saturday, May 27th. New York Tribune, 13 Aug 1921 Fennelly - Thomas, beloved husband of Mary (nee Creighton), native of Gortnahoe, County Tipperary, Ireland, aged 51 years. Funeral from his late residence, 454 West 47th Street. New York Tribune, 26 Sep 1921 Dwyer - On September 22, Margaret, beloved sister of Mrs Kate Briscoe, native of Fethard, County Tipperary, Ireland. Funeral from her late residence, 501 Graham Avenue, L I City. New York Tribune, 14 Feb 1917 Dwyer - On February 12, 1917, William, beloved husband of Ellen Dwyer (nee Clifford), native of Tipperary, Ireland. Funeral from his late residence, 511 East 150th Street. New York Tribune, 24 May 1917 Ryan - On May 21, Johanna Ryan (nee Gilmartin), wife of James G Ryan, native of Cloughmartin, County Tipperary, Ireland. Funeral from her late residence , 368 West 58th Street. New York Tribune, 4 Jun 1918 Ahearn - At Spring Valley, NY, Patrick, beloved husband of Mary, on June 1, a native of Moore Abbey, Tipperary, Ireland. Funeral from his late residence, 67 Flushing Avenue, Jamaica. New York Tribune, 18 Feb 1917 Kennedy - John, beloved son of John and Mary Kennedy (nee Dunne) and brother of Josephine, Nellie, William and Martin Kennedy and nephew of Mrs Hugh Hayden of Bantiss, Newline, Cloughjordon, Tipperary, Ireland. Funeral from 406 West 34th Street. The Evening World (NY), 18 Sept 1888 Callanan - September 17, Mary, beloved wife of Edward Callanan, native of Parish Moycarkey, Tipperary, Ireland, aged 65 years. To be taken from her later residence, 422 West 31st Street. New York Tribune, 27 Nov 1921 Mrs Mary Grady, mother of Timothy F Grady, a patrolman of the 12th Inspection District, Brooklyn, died of pneumonia at her home in Newburgh, NY, yesterday morning. She was eighty-three years old and was born in Tipperary Ireland. The Sun (NY), 29 Oct 1891 Smith - Patrick Smith, husband of Ann Ryan, native of Nenagh, Tipperary, Ireland, aged 72 years. Dermothy - Daniel Dermothy, September 17, 1889, aged 29 years, a native of the Parish of Sivermines, Tipperary Ireland. Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend the funeral at his late residence, 305 East 36th Street. (Dermody?) The Sun (NY), 22 Jan 1890 Quirk - On Tuesday, Jan 21, Ellen Quirk, aged 34 years and 4 months, beloved wife of Thomas Quirk, a native of Clogheen, Tipperary, Ireland. Funeral from her late residence, 168 Madison Street. The Sun (NY), 17 Jul 1893 Madden - Delia Haverty, beloved wife of Thomas Madden, Tipperary Ireland. Funeral from her late residence, 301 West 119th Streeet -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hi Judi Would you please share the address you wrote to for police records in NYC? Is there a fee? My great uncle my great uncle Jack Devlin was an NYPD on foot patrolling in Harlem, died young. Family says when he was waked "half of Harlem came down to show their affection " Thanks Kelly On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Judi <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > I recently requested my 2X great grandfather's records from the NYPD. I > received a very nice response yesterday that a search of their records > turned up nothing, though several state and federal censuses list his > occupation as police, as do city directories and several articles in the > Brooklyn Daily Eagle. He was a patrolman with 20 years' service, and the > Eagle published his retirement announcement. The trouble seems to be that > he > retired in 1892, and "Brooklyn was not consolidated into the municipality > of > NYC" until 1898. Documents from that period are not maintained within the > NYCPD for that reason. > > They included pages of options as to what to do next - including Municipal > Archives, Dept of Health, and dozens of others, followed by instructions > for > requesting BMD certs...which I don't need, in this instance. Has anyone > else > encountered this, and if so, what did you do next? > > Thanks, > Judi > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi everyone, I recently requested my 2X great grandfather's records from the NYPD. I received a very nice response yesterday that a search of their records turned up nothing, though several state and federal censuses list his occupation as police, as do city directories and several articles in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle. He was a patrolman with 20 years' service, and the Eagle published his retirement announcement. The trouble seems to be that he retired in 1892, and "Brooklyn was not consolidated into the municipality of NYC" until 1898. Documents from that period are not maintained within the NYCPD for that reason. They included pages of options as to what to do next - including Municipal Archives, Dept of Health, and dozens of others, followed by instructions for requesting BMD certs...which I don't need, in this instance. Has anyone else encountered this, and if so, what did you do next? Thanks, Judi

Please check the link for story details. Barb http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/link.php?action=detail&id=120908

Happily I have hired a genealogist here in NYC to find my family. So happy to turn over all my post it notes, papers and stuff! Off it all goes Priority Mail in the morning :) Kelly Gray-Devlin-Griffin- Sweeney NY

I have run into the name Gray when searching for my GEARY ancestors. Also, be sure to check ship manifests, etc other than those for NYC: Philadelphia, Boston, New Orleans, Atlantic Canada, too. Good luck! Mary Beth Blackmon www.blackmonstudio.com http://www.dailypaintworks.com/Artists/bob-blackmon-4057 > On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Kelly <[email protected]> wrote: > > Luke Gray (" b/ 1852/1854" ) "Ireland" > > only shows up in two NYC Census records 1900 > and 1900 - Manhattan. Yes, that's him with his wife > Rose and children ( Harry Daisy Thomas etc) > That record states "Immigration 1865" ??? > > I can't find him on any ships lists > I can't find Naturalization papers > > His parents maybe were named Denis and Nellie? > Don't have any info re: siblings ? > Don't know if born N IRE or IRE? > > ANY info or help very much appreciated thank you!! > > Kelly > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a reply: mizcarlettny reminded people of the move of the Board of Ed... moved from JoralemonSt., in Brooklyn to the old Tweed Courthouse building, across the street from the Muni Archives. In the 1990's after a Big Onion Walk around the 5 points area, City Hall and up to Old St.Patrick's Cathedral we learned a little tidbit about the Tweed Courthouse Building. Corruption was on a grand scale. The carpeting ordered for that little building would have covered Central Park, You probably have seen the building many times on the "Law and Order" program that has run for years. I just checked on Google and Big Onion Walking tours are still in operation. Our Tour Guide was a NYU Graduate History PhD. student. They are still in operation. It was a great tour of the Irish Area. http://www.bigonion.com/schedule/ Pauline Salmon San Diego

The NYC Board of Education headquarters moved from Joralemon St., in Brooklyn to the old Tweed Courthouse building, across the street from the Muni Archives. Perhaps you can get his records from them> 52 CHAMBERS ST, RM 219 NEW YORK, NY 10007-1222 (212) 233-8758 Another tracking idea is to try O' B R I A N or O' B R YN E, in historical newspapers. Barb -----Original Message----- From: Deb Woolley [email protected] I have an ancestor (William O'Brien) who graduated from Grammar School No. 19 in 1855, went to City College (then the Free Academy) and graduated in 1860. He taught for 25 years before dying in 1885. According to his obit, he became an assistant teacher at No. 19, "the same school where he was a scholar", resigned to become vice principal of Grammar School No. 23 in the Sixth Ward. In 1880, he was named principal of No. 24 in the same ward. And in 1883, he was transferred back to Grammar School No. 19 as principal. He died in 1885 as principal of that school. He is one of my "mystery" ancestors, so I am trying to follow any clues I can, including where he lived (since William O'Brien is about as common as John Smith!). Does anyone know how I can identify where these schools were located? Does the Public School system or city College have a good archives of their employees or students. I know he lived at 312 East 86th St. when he died (and had for about four years according to city directories -- his wife Elizabeth died from that address April 9, 1885) and his mass was at Church of St. Joseph (East 57th) -- which I thought was primarily a German parish. I am trying to follow any clues I can ... and this is where I am now! Any ideas or thoughts will be appreciated. Deb Woolley

For Virginia, Just went on Ancestry to play around with your surname. I found plenty of GAW surnames in census records. Also suggest that you try Mc G R A W, only as it was a more common name and you might catch your ancestor in one sentence with that spelling. Barb

Luke Gray b 1854 "IRE" immigrated 1865-------> ? d 1911 Manhattan NY I have searched the Census records I have combed the ship's lists I have looked at Canadian Census records No luck. Please help Kelly

Hi Deb, Schools are listed in directories of NY county. They might be in the front pages---it's been a while since I viewed them. Best O'luck, Barb -----Original Message----- From: Deb Woolley [email protected] I have an ancestor (William O'Brien) who graduated from Grammar School No. 19 in 1855, went to City College (then the Free Academy) and graduated in 1860. He taught for 25 years before dying in 1885. According to his obit, he became an assistant teacher at No. 19, "the same school where he was a scholar", resigned to become vice principal of Grammar School No. 23 in the Sixth Ward. In 1880, he was named principal of No. 24 in the same ward. And in 1883, he was transferred back to Grammar School No. 19 as principal. He died in 1885 as principal of that school. He is one of my "mystery" ancestors, so I am trying to follow any clues I can, including where he lived (since William O'Brien is about as common as John Smith!). Does anyone know how I can identify where these schools were located? Does the Public School system or city College have a good archives of their employees or students. I know he lived at 312 East 86th St. when he died (and had for about four years according to city directories -- his wife Elizabeth died from that address April 9, 1885) and his mass was at Church of St. Joseph (East 57th) -- which I thought was primarily a German parish. I am trying to follow any clues I can ... and this is where I am now! Any ideas or thoughts will be appreciated. Deb Woolley

Hi Kelly, In the 1900 US Census, did you see his date of birth? General rule of genealogy> work from what you know backwards, >From death, back. The US 1880 census is a good one to search for accuracy. With my tribes, the longer they were in NYC, the more likely the year of arrival was wrong. Also, all of my ancestors, who had Emigrant Bank acts in the "tests" section, proved to give the correct arriving ships and dates. If you re-view the utube videos of Rosie O'Donnell's ancestor, that I posted last week, it will give you tis about Irish emigrating to Canada. Hope this helps you, Barb From: Kelly [email protected] So ..where was Luke Gray ( b 1854 "Ireland" - d 1911 NY NY) before he pops up married in the 1900 and 1910 Census?? "Immigrated 1865" ??? to the US? to Canada? he would have been only 11 years old - did he immigrate alone? Was he indentured somewhere? Kelly

I have an ancestor (William O'Brien) who graduated from Grammar School No. 19 in 1855, went to City College (then the Free Academy) and graduated in 1860. He taught for 25 years before dying in 1885. According to his obit, he became an assistant teacher at No. 19, "the same school where he was a scholar", resigned to become vice principal of Grammar School No. 23 in the Sixth Ward. In 1880, he was named principal of No. 24 in the same ward. And in 1883, he was transferred back to Grammar School No. 19 as principal. He died in 1885 as principal of that school. He is one of my "mystery" ancestors, so I am trying to follow any clues I can, including where he lived (since William O'Brien is about as common as John Smith!). Does anyone know how I can identify where these schools were located? Does the Public School system or city College have a good archives of their employees or students. I know he lived at 312 East 86th St. when he died (and had for about four years according to city directories -- his wife Elizabeth died from that address April 9, 1885) and his mass was at Church of St. Joseph (East 57th) -- which I thought was primarily a German parish. I am trying to follow any clues I can ... and this is where I am now! Any ideas or thoughts will be appreciated. Deb Woolley

Hi Bob, No, I didn't compare any of the names to Church records (other than my own family), because it was just an idle supposition on my part and would have required too much time. I was pleasantly surprised to see that my grandfather stuck to the straight and narrow on both censuses, neither adding nor subtracting. Jack Langton -----Original Message----- From: bob ryan <[email protected]> To: Tera Robert <[email protected]>; ny-irish <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 12:46 pm Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] [SPAM] census age rounding Did you compare these records / dates with any Church records?

I'd bet the answer had to do w/ spelling. A cursive "G' can look like an "S," and possibly an "L." I've seen many a a "W" look like an "M" and "N." You might go into LDS and see what other surname options exist. Then too, did you consider the surname w a Scottish accent? The ending may have an "er" sound. B -----Original Message----- From: VLB <[email protected]> To: ny-irish <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:57 pm Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Another vanished family No, I can't eliminate any of them but I do need either wife or son's name to have some evidence it's the same person. I have searched McCa* and McGa* heavily. But thanks for this digging and I will study it further. Virginia ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Another vanished family I searched Ancestry for John McGaw (default settings), location "Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA" and Keyword (exact) "driver." I got these hits. Occupation was "driver" on the View Record pop-out screen for each name on the hit list. Results 1–12 of 12 Name, Residence Year, Residence Place John McGhey, 1886, Brooklyn, New York John McGuiuess, 1879, Brooklyn, New York John McGee, 1889, Brooklyn, New York John McGee, 1891, Brooklyn, New York John J McGee, 1883, Brooklyn, New York John McGee, 1881, Brooklyn, New York John H McGee, 1900, Brooklyn, New York John McGee, 1901, Brooklyn, New York John Magee, 1897, Brooklyn, New York John McGough, 1894, Brooklyn, New York John McGeogh, 1899, Brooklyn, New York John Magee, 1898, Brooklyn, New York Then I used the same search terms for Location "New York City (All Boroughs), New York, USA" and got 57 hits. The few I sampled on that list all had occupation "driver" on the View Record pop-out screen. Have you eliminated all of these men? PJ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message