I have > not been able to find the marriage record for William and Sarah or the > Naturalization papers for their parents (I understand since they came thru > Canada there will be no immigration records). I am hoping you may be able > to help me. > Marriage records were not recorded by the state/county till almost 1900. So counties were very slow to get going. You might want to try area churches to see of one has the marriage. They seem to keep their registers. Naturalization papers were still needed even if they came in through Canada, since they were not citizens. When looking at the Family History Films, did you find any naturalization records. Search both by county and by city for them. Check this section of my website: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NewYorkState/ I list most, not all, of the naturalization records available for the various NYS counties. If they are not there, search the FamilySearch.org website by county and by city. Good luck, Pat -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I am researching the genealogy of my Irish family. One set of my great grandparents came to Minnesota from Lisbon, St. Lawrence County, NY. I am specifically looking for a marriage record for *Sarah BAXTER* and *William FIELDS*. Sarah was born in Northern Ireland in 1828, William was born in Lisbon, New York in 1829. *They were married in Lisbon around 1850.* I believe they were Congregationalists. Their parents were: *John FIELDS*, born in Northern Ireland about 1800. His wife's name was Mary (last name unknown) also born in Ireland about 1802.. *James BAXTER *was born in Northern Ireland about 1800. His wife, Jane, (last name possibly Gier) was also born in Ireland about 1805. I believe the Baxters immigrated about 1838. This information is from their daughter Sarah's obituary. It was said that Sarah was born in Northern Ireland in 1828 and immigrated when she was 10 years old. I also believe they may have come in through Canada into Ogdensburg. The Fields must have immigrated prior to 1829 as William, their oldest child, was born that year in Lisbon. The St. Lawrence County Historical Assn has been *very* helpful in providing some information. The Lisbon Town Hall burned in 1882 and all records were lost, so no hope there! I have written to the St. Lawrence County Clerk's office in hopes they have the naturalization records for both Fields and Baxter. I have done considerable research on both of these families using Ancestry, Family Search (LDS), Find a Grave and other web sites as well as the Minnesota Genealogical Society and the Minnesota History Center. I have not been able to find the marriage record for William and Sarah or the Naturalization papers for their parents (I understand since they came thru Canada there will be no immigration records). I am hoping you may be able to help me. Thank you, Janet Magnuson

Huge post on Blackwells in NY-Irish archives in past year. -----Original Message----- From: Kelly <[email protected]> To: ny-irish <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jun 8, 2014 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Blackwell's Island B Island was a place of Dickensian horrors. It had a psych asylum, prison, charity hospital, smallpox hospital, and a workhouse. Acquired by NYC in 1828. Kelly NYC

Sheila and all, I recently received a 1906 death cert for my 2X great grandfather's brother, Thomas Fox. I was so excited that it gave me his father's name, and his mother's maiden name that I didn't immediately notice a little corner box with "special information." That info was about Blackwell's Island. It says "Hospital Blackwell's Island one week." It gives his residence at death as my 2X ggf's widow's home, and says he also died of pulmonary TB. I was wondering if he was sent to the island because he had TB - but if he was, only for a week? He is buried in one of the communal family plots at Holy Cross. I'll check the resources you sent. Judi I found a brother of my great grandmother who was the unidentifiied man in the grave with the rest of her family. I found that he came to New York in the 1830s. He was admitted to Bellevue Hospital 1847 with "sickness" and was transferred to Blackwell's Almshouse, dying there in 1859 of what was described in the records as "sickness." His death certificate indicated that he died of pulmonary TB.

A good start can be made on the history of Blackwell's, now Roosevelt, Island by this link to Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_Island There used to be an excellent piece on Blackwell's posted by the Department of Corrections of the City of New York, but it is now compromised by hackers. There are films which list dates of entry, condition and disposition of inmates and/or patients at Family Search. Using the older FHL catalogue, if you go to the records for New York City and then, under the index, for Poorhouse Records you will find a long list of films which include dates. These films can be ordered for review at your nearest FHL library. The same films are at the New York City Archives, but to order a copy of a record you would need a name and date. Don't know how much searching they are willing or able to do. Worth a phone call. Browsing could only happen if you visited the Archive in person. I found a brother of my great grandmother who was the unidentifiied man in the grave with the rest of her family. I found that he came to New York in the 1830s. He was admitted to Bellevue Hospital 1847 with "sickness" and was transferred to Blackwell's Almshouse, dying there in 1859 of what was described in the records as "sickness." His death certificate indicated that he died of pulmonary TB. Sheila Santa Barbara

See: http://www.loc.gov/item/00694366/

>Sometimes, a post is sent to the list and it is longer than what limits are set for a post to make the list and then the post is held for my review Thanks for the explanation. I was sending from my phone, and it showed me the post was cropped. If it wasn't, that explains, and I apologize! Judi

Due to the rash of spam emails to the lists, this is not a very good way to send a link for a suggested genealogical website. It looks like spam! See: > > http://www.loc.gov/item/00694366/ > I took a chance and clicked on it and found it was a legitimate genealogical site. In the future, members please refrain from sending links without explanations. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

B Island was a place of Dickensian horrors. It had a psych asylum, prison, charity hospital, smallpox hospital, and a workhouse. Acquired by NYC in 1828. Kelly NYC On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Judi <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > I think I remember seeing this name here. If anyone has knowledge of this > place, will you please speak about Blackwell's Island in the time around > 1906? > > Thanks, > Judi > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

B Island was a place of Dickensian horrors. It had a psych asylum, prison, charity hospital, smallpox hospital, and a workhouse. Acquired by NYC in 1828. Kelly NYC On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Judi <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > I think I remember seeing this name here. If anyone has knowledge of this > place, will you please speak about Blackwell's Island in the time around > 1906? > > Thanks, > Judi > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, I think I remember seeing this name here. If anyone has knowledge of this place, will you please speak about Blackwell's Island in the time around 1906? Thanks, Judi

> I sent this about 10 hours ago from my cell phone and never saw it appear > on > the list, so I'm sending again. > Sometimes, a post is sent to the list and it is longer than what limits are set for a post to make the list and then the post is held for my review. I live in California, many posts are sent from NY. Rootsweb sends messages to list admins once a day that there are posts being held for the admin's review and release to the list and they do so over night, not when the post is sent. So, if you sent a post around 3pm NY time, it is held and then I don't get a message from Rootsweb that it is being held till I get up in the morning Pacific standard time. I am retired so I don't get up before 9am PST, noon in NY. So, if you posted a email to the list, please either wait before sending another or better yet write me and I can then check to see if and why it is being held. Okay, you are probably wondering, 'why is Rootsweb holding my posts'. Well, automatic holds are for attachments or very lengthy posts. Other holds maybe because I have you on hold status because your email address sent out a spam email. Hey, I have my other email address (pacbell.net) on hold for that reason. The lengthy emails are usually caused by repeating old messages to the list, instead of cutting the stuff from the repeated message that has nothing to do with what the reply is about. Those on digest format really need to cut most of the digest. So, please DO NOT resend a message that has not posted. Write me and I will check. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hello All, I've recently found two cases in which transcriptions of event dates in the Familysearch.org database, and as a consequence in the Ancestry.com database, are incorrect. These faulty transcriptions cause misleading entries on the results list for certain searches. The errors I've found occurred when a birth event-date was in the quarter before the birth-registration date. The fact that I found two such cases recently suggests to me that they may be more than uncommon. My two examples. 1. The Irish General Register Office (GRO) official birth certificate for Julia Plunkett, daughter of Andrew Plunkett and Mary (Kelly) Plunkett, records her birth date as 1888 Aug 22, in Kingstown, (Rathdown) Co. Dublin, and the birth-registration date as 1888 Oct 10. (Aside: Julia's father died 1888 Sep 9, 3 weeks after she was born, due to debilitating TB, so her mother Mary understandably had serious matters to manage before she got to the registrar's office and signed her X mark). The Familysearch.org online record at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FB8H-HJ4 shows these data: Name: Julia Plunkett Event Type: Birth Event Date: Oct-Dec 1888 Event Place: Rathdown, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Oct-Dec 1888 Registration District: Rathdown Since the search-results list for Julia Plunkett's birth in 1888 displays the (supposed) event date, it shows a Julia Plunkett with birth event-date Oct-Dec 1888, the same as the registration date, and not the correct birth-event date of 1888 Jul-Sep. I had failed several times to identify the proper entry on the results list because of that error. 2. The GRO official birth certificate for Ellen Kelly, daughter of William Kelly and Dorah (Doran) Kelly, records her birth date as 1881 Jan 14, in Kingstown, (Rathdown) Co. Dublin, and the birth-registration date as 1881 Apr 23. The Familysearch.org online record at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBWQ-Z35 shows these data: Name: Ellen Kelly Event Type: Birth Event Date: Apr-Jun 1881 Event Place: Rathdown, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Apr-Jun 1881 Registration District: Rathdown As in Julia's case, on Ellen's GRO record the birth date was in the quarter (Jan-Mar) before the registration quarter (Apr-Jun), and it was the registration quarter that appeared as the event date on the search-results list. Lesson to self: Try to trust, but then try harder to verify. PJ

I sent this about 10 hours ago from my cell phone and never saw it appear on the list, so I'm sending again. I have called Holy Cross several times and asked for lists and never has money been mentioned. In fact I was aware of a charge from Calvary and surprised there was not one from Holy Cross. The time I was there in person I offered a donation and they refused. The help they gave me was beyond what I ever expected so I will just send a donation for their help these past years. Judi Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Holy Cross That is the standard charge at Holy Cross Cemetery for a full interment list which I have been paying for several years. I am surprised you ever got a free list. Maybe in person they will do it or you were there on a slow day. To ask about one person has always been free but not a full interment list. It does take time to look up and type those lists, especially if a lot of people are in the grave.  And I assume cemeteries use this as a source of much-needed revenue for the very large maintenance bills they must have.  I know what I pay for maintenance for just my house and yard.  There are a half-million people buried at Holy Cross.  It is huge and has expenses that must also be huge. I look at it as a donation to keep my ancestors' final resting place in good order. Virginia

That's record time! Took about 1 - 1 1/2 years to get my dad's. Maybe their system has gotten better. Ally Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Judi <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi everyone, >Back in the snowy winter when I was home for a few days running, I ordered >my dad's military records. In less than a week, a big envelope full of >papers and photos arrived, with an unexpected notice that the medals and >awards would follow. I was surprised and delighted by that, but when I >checked the status tracker they gave me every couple of weeks, it always >said the medals would be shipped when stocks were replenished. Last week, it >suddenly had a ship date of June 14-July 14. The date changed every day for >3 days (I started checking often!) and then this morning it said the medals >had been shipped yesterday at 3:37. > >So for the people who asked about this back in winter - the medals seem to >be taking about 6 months, in my case. I'll let you know how long it takes >them to get from Philly to me, 2.5 hours away :-) > >Judi > >====NY-Irish Mailing List==== >Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is the standard charge at Holy Cross Cemetery for a full interment list which I have been paying for several years. I am surprised you ever got a free list. Maybe in person they will do it or you were there on a slow day. To ask about one person has always been free but not a full interment list. It does take time to look up and type those lists, especially if a lot of people are in the grave.  And I assume cemeteries use this as a source of much-needed revenue for the very large maintenance bills they must have.  I know what I pay for maintenance for just my house and yard.  There are a half-million people buried at Holy Cross.  It is huge and has expenses that must also be huge. I look at it as a donation to keep my ancestors' final resting place in good order. Virginia ________________________________ From: Judi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 6:45 AM Subject: [NY-IRISH] Holy Cross A couple of days ago, I posted that when I called Holy Cross to check if someone was buried there, the woman I spoke to said he was, and gave me the plot info. When I asked her if anyone else was buried in the grave, she said, "Lots of people are buried with him, but you'll have to write a letter, include your questions, and $105.00." That was so random and specific at the same time... I said no one had ever asked for money before, and she said, "Well, now we do. Somebody has to do the research, and it takes time." I thanked her and hung up. No one appreciates their valuable help more than I do, but I know when she looked up the basic info, everything else I wanted to know was right there. I stopped in last year with 3 pages of names to check (hoping to be able to do it myself - not expecting them to do it) and they took my list and in about 10 minutes brought all the answers back to me, with several possibly related families they thought might help me. They were beyond wonderful, and I am eternally grateful. After another couple of days I called back, planning to ask about this new system, and the woman I spoke to that time was as confounded as I was. She offered to check the info for me, and she generously did so, at no charge. I wonder what that was all about. Anyone else encountered this person wanting $105.00? Judi ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A couple of days ago, I posted that when I called Holy Cross to check if someone was buried there, the woman I spoke to said he was, and gave me the plot info. When I asked her if anyone else was buried in the grave, she said, "Lots of people are buried with him, but you'll have to write a letter, include your questions, and $105.00." That was so random and specific at the same time... I said no one had ever asked for money before, and she said, "Well, now we do. Somebody has to do the research, and it takes time." I thanked her and hung up. No one appreciates their valuable help more than I do, but I know when she looked up the basic info, everything else I wanted to know was right there. I stopped in last year with 3 pages of names to check (hoping to be able to do it myself - not expecting them to do it) and they took my list and in about 10 minutes brought all the answers back to me, with several possibly related families they thought might help me. They were beyond wonderful, and I am eternally grateful. After another couple of days I called back, planning to ask about this new system, and the woman I spoke to that time was as confounded as I was. She offered to check the info for me, and she generously did so, at no charge. I wonder what that was all about. Anyone else encountered this person wanting $105.00? Judi

Hi everyone, Back in the snowy winter when I was home for a few days running, I ordered my dad's military records. In less than a week, a big envelope full of papers and photos arrived, with an unexpected notice that the medals and awards would follow. I was surprised and delighted by that, but when I checked the status tracker they gave me every couple of weeks, it always said the medals would be shipped when stocks were replenished. Last week, it suddenly had a ship date of June 14-July 14. The date changed every day for 3 days (I started checking often!) and then this morning it said the medals had been shipped yesterday at 3:37. So for the people who asked about this back in winter - the medals seem to be taking about 6 months, in my case. I'll let you know how long it takes them to get from Philly to me, 2.5 hours away :-) Judi

Yes, I have. Apparently they are really hard up for money,    Anna Caulfield Professional Genealogist www.abcgenealogist.com On Friday, June 6, 2014 6:48 AM, Judi <[email protected]> wrote: A couple of days ago, I posted that when I called Holy Cross to check if someone was buried there, the woman I spoke to said he was, and gave me the plot info. When I asked her if anyone else was buried in the grave, she said, "Lots of people are buried with him, but you'll have to write a letter, include your questions, and $105.00." That was so random and specific at the same time... I said no one had ever asked for money before, and she said, "Well, now we do. Somebody has to do the research, and it takes time." I thanked her and hung up. No one appreciates their valuable help more than I do, but I know when she looked up the basic info, everything else I wanted to know was right there. I stopped in last year with 3 pages of names to check (hoping to be able to do it myself - not expecting them to do it) and they took my list and in about 10 minutes brought all the answers back to me, with several possibly related families they thought might help me. They were beyond wonderful, and I am eternally grateful. After another couple of days I called back, planning to ask about this new system, and the woman I spoke to that time was as confounded as I was. She offered to check the info for me, and she generously did so, at no charge. I wonder what that was all about. Anyone else encountered this person wanting $105.00? Judi ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Friends, Please help me find these Irish immigrant sibs, only. It appears that they arrived w/o parents, but have no further clues about parents. Seeking them in 1850 & 1860 US census records. In 1870, another sib appears in census as O'CONNER, not O'CONNELL Arrived in port of New York via ship "Forest King" from Liverpool on 17 September 1849. Surname: CONNELL* Given Names: James, age 18 b 1831 Eliza, age 20 b 1829 Anne, age 15 1833/4 This family came from Clogharkina, County Kildare, IRELAND. Parents: Andrew CONNELL & Ann DORAN * Surname Spelling *CONNELL---On emigrant ship's manifest, Roman Catholic baptismal records in Kildara, and earliest NY, NY Directories. *O'CONNELL---In NY, NY Directories by 1852 and Catholic sacramental records in NY, NY. Many thanks, Barb