Looking for anyone interested in the Barr family, I found this family first in New York City in the 1860 Census. Head of the Household is Andrew Barr age 30 with wife Sarah (Young) Barr age 27. Both are noted as born in Ireland. They have in this census a daughter Ann age 2 and a second daughter Sarah age 0 - 3/12 months. Mother in Law Margaret (Fair) Young age 70 resides with the family. The census shows that they resided in the New York Ward 8 District 2, New York, New York In the 1870 Census Andrew Barr is now living in the Mount Vernon Postal District of Eastchester, Westchester County, New York. His occupation is listed as Dry Goods. He resides there with his wife Sarah (Young) Barr and 4 daughters Annie age 12, Sarah age10, Minnie and Lillie are both age 4. Mother in Law Margaret (Fair) Young is age 80 and living with the family. By the 1880 Census Andrew and Sarah (Young) Barr are the only persons listed in this census the children are not listed neither is the mother in law. They still reside in the Mount Vernon Postal District of Eastchester, Westchester County, New York. Andrew is 48. I did not find them after 1880 and since they only have 4 daughters I don't know where to begin looking for them. My relationship to this Barr family would be that the children (Annie, Sarah, Minnie, and Lillie) are first cousins to my maternal grandmother's father Samuel Fair Smith. Sarah (Young) Barr is his mother's sister. Thanks for any suggestions on how to proceed Daniel

Pat, relative to the Smith family, this would be my maternal grandmother's line as she was a Smith (youngest daughter of 4 children) born to Samuel Fair and Cynthia Ann (Wood) Smith. Samuel's parents are buried at St. Paul's Episcopal Churchyard and I have a picture of their stone. Cynthia Ann's parents are buried at Rye in the Lewis Family plot at Greenwood Union and I believe their religious faith was Christ's Church Cynthia Ann's great grandparents and one son came from Carmarthenshire, South Wales, Great Britain. One more thing that strikes a bell grandma remarked one time that her family was not Catholic but her daughter, my mother converted to the RC when she married in 1946. She was a non practicing Methodist and they needed to get special permission for the marriage of my dad to her. So I suspect the David Smith and Margaret Young came to the USA from Northern Ireland they married in New York. A daughter named Frances E. I believe is the oldest followed by Jane, Henry, David, Samuel Fair, and Sarah. I researched the Young family years ago and found that Margaret Young Smith had a sister named Sarah Young who married Andrew Barr and herr mother Margaret (Fair) Young lived with the younger sister in New York City 1860 and Eastchester in 1870. Their mother was born about 1791. She was a widow when I found her and someone had been working on that line thought that Margaret Fair was the daughter of John Fair and Jane Dempsey but I could not prove that for myself. The name Fair shows up in this family a lot as does the name Jane. > [email protected]> wrote: > According to the 1870 US Census: David I. Smith born about 1822 in Ireland is the head of the household buried with a stone in St. Paul's Episcopal Church Cemetery, Mount Vernon Post Office, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York. Margaret Young Smith born about 1829 in Ireland is his wife buried with a stone in St. Paul's Episcopal Church Cemetery, Mount Vernon Post Office, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York. The Children are: Frances E. Smith born about 1847 in New York her home in 1870 is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York Jane Smith born about 1849 in New York her home in 1870 is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York Henry Smith is the older twin born about 1856 in New York his home in 1870 is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York David Smith is the younger twin born about 1856 in New York his home in 1870 is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York Samuel Fair Smith born about 1859 in New York his home in 1870 is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York Sarah Smith born about 1861 in New York her home in 1870 is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York Further information might show that one of the 3 daughters Frances, Jane, or Sarah married George H. Brown they were living in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois in February 1920 information came from the death certificate of Samuel Fair Smith

I found my wife's connection to Ireland on her great-grandfather's SISTER's ship arrival manifest. She gave Kilmalock instead of Ireland and they wrote it down. Ted On 7/4/2014 12:40 PM, VLB wrote: > I have had luck in finding the place of birth in only two places--Emigrant Savings Bank and newspaper obituaries. I found two on the fultonhistory.com site. Not so easy to search but a goldmine of info for the patient. > Virginia > > > ________________________________ > From: Pat Connors <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] NEVILLE > > > Have you tried to get any of the birth/marriage/death certificates. > Sometimes, but not always, they show more than just born in Ireland, I have > a couple that gave the county in Ireland. > > Patrick Neville born in County Cork Ireland 1847. I am looking for place >> of birth and names of parents, family,etc. He emigrated to New York and >> married Elizabeth >> >> Patrick died in Newark New Jersey in 1895. >> >> I would like to find out where in Ireland he was born. >> > > >

Wow, Daniel, it has been years since we corresponded about our SMITHS, mine living in Yonkers and New Rochelle and yours in Mount Vernon/Eastchester, all close in vicinity but not related. Have you checked out the Westchester County website? They have marriage records and naturalization records. They helped me tremendously with another branch. On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Daniel Lewis Frommherz < [email protected]> wrote: > According to the 1870 US Census: > > > > David I. Smith born about 1822 in Ireland is the head of the household > buried with a stone in St. Paul's Episcopal Church Cemetery, Mount Vernon > Post Office, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York. > > > > Margaret Young Smith born about 1829 in Ireland is his wife buried with a > stone in St. Paul's Episcopal Church Cemetery, Mount Vernon Post Office, > Eastchester, Westchester County, New York. > > > > The Children are: > > > > Frances E. Smith born about 1847 in New York her home in 1870 is in the > Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New > York > > > > Jane Smith born about 1849 in New York her home in 1870 is in the Mount > Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York > > > > Henry Smith is the older twin born about 1856 in New York his home in 1870 > is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester > County, New York > > > > David Smith is the younger twin born about 1856 in New York his home in > 1870 > is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester > County, New York > > > > Samuel Fair Smith born about 1859 in New York his home in 1870 is in the > Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New > York > > > > Sarah Smith born about 1861 in New York her home in 1870 is in the Mount > Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York > > > > Further information might show that one of the 3 daughters Frances, Jane, > or > Sarah married George H. Brown they were living in Chicago, Cook County, > Illinois in February 1920 information came from the death certificate of > Samuel Fair Smith > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

According to the 1870 US Census: David I. Smith born about 1822 in Ireland is the head of the household buried with a stone in St. Paul's Episcopal Church Cemetery, Mount Vernon Post Office, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York. Margaret Young Smith born about 1829 in Ireland is his wife buried with a stone in St. Paul's Episcopal Church Cemetery, Mount Vernon Post Office, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York. The Children are: Frances E. Smith born about 1847 in New York her home in 1870 is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York Jane Smith born about 1849 in New York her home in 1870 is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York Henry Smith is the older twin born about 1856 in New York his home in 1870 is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York David Smith is the younger twin born about 1856 in New York his home in 1870 is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York Samuel Fair Smith born about 1859 in New York his home in 1870 is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York Sarah Smith born about 1861 in New York her home in 1870 is in the Mount Vernon Post Office district, Eastchester, Westchester County, New York Further information might show that one of the 3 daughters Frances, Jane, or Sarah married George H. Brown they were living in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois in February 1920 information came from the death certificate of Samuel Fair Smith

I have spent much of my morning resubbing people who, through no fault of their own, were mysteriously unsubbed from the NY Irish list. I have resubbed them. If it happens to you, you can just go to the list's info page and resub yourself. This would really help me. Here is the link: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/NY-IRISH.html This is the notice on the Help Desk. Note, it is dated from when we had the problem in May, so don't hesitate to let the Help Desk know that is is happening again. *2014-05-14* Due to recent changes made by many e-mail providers with their DMARC security settings, many Mailing List subscribers are finding they are being unsubscribed and / or not receiving their messages. Roots Web Engineers are working with the e-mail service providers to find a solution to this issue. We appreciate your patience. Est. downtime: Indefinite(s) -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I have had luck in finding the place of birth in only two places--Emigrant Savings Bank and newspaper obituaries.  I found two on the fultonhistory.com site. Not so easy to search but a goldmine of info for the patient. Virginia ________________________________ From: Pat Connors <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] NEVILLE Have you tried to get any of the birth/marriage/death certificates. Sometimes, but not always, they show more than just born in Ireland, I have a couple that gave the county in Ireland. Patrick  Neville born in County Cork  Ireland 1847. I am looking for place > of birth and names of parents, family,etc.  He emigrated to New York and > married Elizabeth > > Patrick died in Newark New Jersey in 1895. > > I would like to find out where in Ireland he was born. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you tried to get any of the birth/marriage/death certificates. Sometimes, but not always, they show more than just born in Ireland, I have a couple that gave the county in Ireland. Patrick Neville born in County Cork Ireland 1847. I am looking for place > of birth and names of parents, family,etc. He emigrated to New York and > married Elizabeth > Carter in or about 1870-1872. They married in Barryville, Sullivan County > New York and had eight children: William Patrick dob: 1874,NY James > Bartholomew > dob: 1877,NY Jack (John) Adams, dob:1879,NJ Joseph Erwin, dob:1881,NJ Sarah > Elizabeth,dob:1885, NJ, Margaret(Maggie)dob:1890NJ, Arthur dob:?NJ and > Female Neville dob:1885 NJ > Patrick died in Newark New Jersey in 1895. > > I would like to find out where in Ireland he was born. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

There's a Peter McNAME age 30y b IRE 1850 Census, NYS, NY County, Ward 14. I recall someone was looking for this surname. Barb

Belonging to several website groups, including FaceBook, I always recommend the Rootsweb message boards to newbies. The hard core Rootsweb members cut to the heart of the research and are generous with excellent ideas and experience. My impression of FB is sort of like Ancestry hits: tons of blather but not much depth. Rootsweb's more focused postings are always read but FB only when I have a lot of time to cruise the chatty postings. To be fair, I've gotten helpful info from both. Posted by a diehard Rootsweb fan, Maureen (If you don't know what blather is, you aren't Irish enough.)

Patrick Neville born in County Cork Ireland 1847. I am looking for place of birth and names of parents, family,etc. He emigrated to New York and married Elizabeth Carter in or about 1870-1872. They married in Barryville, Sullivan County New York and had eight children: William Patrick dob: 1874,NY James Bartholomew dob: 1877,NY Jack (John) Adams, dob:1879,NJ Joseph Erwin, dob:1881,NJ Sarah Elizabeth,dob:1885, NJ, Margaret(Maggie)dob:1890NJ, Arthur dob:?NJ and Female Neville dob:1885 NJ Patrick died in Newark New Jersey in 1895. I would like to find out where in Ireland he was born. Good luck to all, Ginny Pietsch Houston, Texas

Perfectly described, Marie! Yes, the next cycle of researchers seeks blind facts, with a quick thumbs up. They may as well be checking a train timetable. It's about speed over accuracy, and if you find it online = a fact. AOL users face a double whammy. Another frustration. My posts on Rootsweb don't appear in my "mailbox," so I never know if they go through. But, how can I appeal to AOL when Rootsweb is askew? Barb From: jwilcox [email protected] Barb, You are absolutely right. Plus, people seem to not want to spend the time researching in its true form...and, most find the accompaning history boring and unnecessary. They now just want dates, names and locations-all two dimensional data. It's all about instant gratification. Look to our public libraries and what they are experiencing. I do promote these lists to other researchers and will continue to do so because even Facebook posters need their information from somewhere else. I do have faith that when this current trend is finally exhaustedwith no real concrete and honest data, or the realization that more data is needed, the interest and traffic willpick up. Like any flash fire, they burn out quickly. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Many Rootsweb subscribers jumped ship for Facebook immediately. We loyal ones are left hanging. Just imagine, a business that succeeds, on multiple levels, from the sweat equity of volunteers' contributions has such disregard for those who built it! They had a heads-up when NY-BKLN, NY-Irish, & Eastman's had server attacks. It's time for Rootsweb/Ancestry leaders to dig into their pockets and get this resolved. Barb

Many Rootsweb subscribers jumped ship for Facebook immediately. We loyal ones are left hanging. Just imagine, a business that succeeds, on multiple levels, from the sweat equity of volunteers' contributions has such disregard for those who built it! They had a heads-up when NY-BKLN, NY-Irish, & Eastman's had server attacks. It's time for Rootsweb/Ancestry leaders to dig into their pockets and get this resolved. Barb --------------------- From: jwilcox [email protected] I think the traffic has fallen off....but, hopefully, it will pick up again From: Marie V Melchiori I've only received 2 messages in the last 7 days. I set up a Gmail account for just this list and it's not working very well.

I don't see my emails post. Recommend searching earlier census records with a different surname spelling. A capitol G was more commonly inscripted to look like a larger small "g." It can look like an S. Thy GRA..., GRAG, GROG, GEAG. This lower case r could look like a sloppy capital E. Barb -----Original Message----- From: Pat Connors [email protected] It could be that whoever gave the info to the census taker, gave the wrong year so try looking for more years. I got that immigration year from the Census - actually all the info > is from the > Census. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It could be that whoever gave the info to the census taker, gave the wrong year so try looking for more years. I got that immigration year from the Census - actually all the info > is from the > Census. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

"Mrs. Mary McHUGH of New York City" was mentioned as a sibling in her Oakland, California brother's obituary: "In this city, June 4, 1910. Rev. James Melvin, beloved brother of Mrs. Sarah Kane of Seattle, Mrs. Mary McHugh of New York City, Patrick Melvin of Clinton, Ia., Mrs. Captain Boyle of Burtonport, County Donegal, Ireland, and the late Rev. John Melvin of Parish of Templeboy, County Sligo, Ireland, and uncle of James Boyle, a native of Ballina, Ireland." Brick Wall: Which Mrs. Mary McHUGH in 1910 NYC? What was her husband's given name? Sorting her out of the pile is key to finding her immigration, marriage date and place, and any descendants. NYC Dilemmas: 1. The NYC Death Index on German Genealogy shows 15 possible elderly Mary McHUGH deaths. 2. There are several MELVINs on 1870 Canal St. NYC & buried around Grave 5/6 Sec 6 Range 2 Plot W Calvary Cem, Woodside, LI, NY. in Queens, but no McHUGH buried nearby. 3. Various NYC area Census from 1870 to 1940 each have several possibilities for Mary MELVIN, or later as Mary McHUGH. 4. Brooklyn's 1897.98 Lain's Directory has many possible McHUGH with a possible Mary as widow, home at 110 G'point av. What is "G'point"? 5. From New York, County Marriages: only 1914 Nicholas Palma's bride Nellie MCHUE listed parents as Mary MELVEN and Edward MCHUE. But Nellie's 1910 Census has parents as Peter and Anne McHUGH and living in New Haven, Connecticut. >From RootsIreland, 19 possible County Mayo marriages are listed for a Mary MELVIN, but no corresponding Mr. McHUGH. Ballina's Sligo side of River Moy Mayo/Sligo, Ireland timeframes: 1. Parents were Patrick MELVIN, Moy Harbormaster (d. bfr 1870), m. 1836 Ballina Cathedral as Servants at Beleek, to Bridget McHALE (1815-890) a close relative of Archbishop John McHALE. 2. Mary's 5 Siblings: Rev. John J. MELVIN (abt 1837-1909) ; Patrick John MELVIN (1839-1914) ; Sarah (1847-1920) ; Rev. James (1850-1910) ; Anne (1852- aft 1911) ; Ballina's Sligo side of River Moy is also County Sligo is also in play but no baptism yet found for our lost Mary to give us her age to work with. 3. From RootsIreland, 19 possible County Mayo marriages are listed for a Mary MELVIN, but no corresponding Mr. McHUGH. Mary MELVIN McHUGH is our only lost family member left to find. We have tons to share on the rest of her siblings and parents. Ever hopeful, Maureen Melvin

John Nicholson, b. around 1840, only hint is from a child's death certificate that he was from County Mayo. He was in the US by the 1870 Census in Brooklyn NY married to my great grandmother, Kate Burke, He was a plumber by trade. The couple married in NY but I haven't been able to find the RC record in spite of many $25 contributions to parishes in a likely area of Williamsburgh. The couple had 8 children, Mary Eugene b 1870 ( my grandmother), William b. 1872, Sarah b 1873, John b 1876, Kate b 1878, Agnes b 1881, James b 1883, Joseph b 1885. William and Sarah died on the same day in 1875 of scarlet fever. Kate died in 1880 at age 18 mos. John and Kate lived together on Grand Street in the 15th Ward from 1870 until John's death on 25 Dec 1889. Kate lived on at the same address until 1900 when she moved with her children to Van Eyck Street. In 1901 she entered the Brooklyn Home for the Aged and Infirm and died there in 1911. I am trying to find the parents in Ireland of John Nicholson and/or any siblings that may have come to NY. I have researched all the Nicholsons in Brooklyn, Kings County, who were alive at the time of John's life in Williamsburgh and have found no connections. Sheila MacAvoy Block

Thanks for so much help so far. I need advice for finding a marriage record for PATRICK GILLESPIE (1828-1893) and MARGARET McDERMOTT (1836-1881.) They both were born in Ireland (she in Dublin, his birthplace still uncertain) and lived in Brooklyn from at least 1860 until death. They came over about the same time, according to other records, but since Margaret was only about 14 when she came over, and didn't have any children until she was 20/21, I think they were married in New York, probably Brooklyn, rather than Ireland. That's just an assumption. I think the marriage year was probably about 1855/1856, when Margaret was 19 or 20. They are in the 1860 US census with 2 small daughters, born 1857 and 1859. I've checked italiangen for marriage info, and familysearch, and ancestry. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thank you, Judi

Hi Pat Yes - I got that immigration year from the Census - actually all the info is from the Census. Family lore says his parents may have been "Denis and Nellie" ?? Luke Gray married a German immigrant named Rosa Hahn in Manhattan late 1880's. They stayed in Manhattan. He died there in 1911. Thanks Kelly On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Pat Connors <[email protected]> wrote: > Couple of questions? Where did you get the year, 1863, in one of the > censuses? If not found till 1900, then possible this is a wrong year. > Might have emigrated between 1880 and 1900. > > > Luke Gray > > b. 1852/4 "Ireland" > > > > Immigration Year: "1863" > > ----> Can't find on Ship's list > > > > Brick Walls: ---> Born "maybe" in Co Sligo? > > ----> Does not appear in USA until > > 1900 Census: in Manhattan NY - > > Where was he before 1900?? > > > > > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Looking for the immigration date/records of my GG Grandfather John W. O'CONNELL (or CONNELL). First known to be in US late in 1855 when he joined the military. See below. - He was born 24 Feb 1838 in Co. Cork to Timothy and Mary (nee Halloran) O'CONNELL. I don't know if he had any siblings. He died 11 June 1879 in Washington, DC and is buried at Calvary Cem in NY with his uncle's family. - He married Ellen SULLIVAN (or poss CALLAGHAN) 15 Jan 1865 at St. Peter's RC Church on Barclay St in NYC. Witnesses were Bridget Ward and Thomas Line--non-relatives, as far as know. Their children: William John (b. 1867 in San Francisco, CA) Mary Cecilia (b. 1869 Sitka, Alaska) Thomas J. (b. 1870 Sitka, Alaska) Emma Frances (b. 1872 San Francisco, CA) <-- my g grandmother - He enlisted in the US Artillery (Co. H, of the 2nd Regiment) in NYC on 9 Nov 1855. Throughout the next 20 yrs he (and later his family, too) traveled the country as he was stationed at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas; Fort Hamilton in NY; captured and imprisoned by the Confederates in Pensacola, FL; Fort Point in California; in Sitka, Alaska; Yuerba Buena (Goat Island) in California, Fort McHenry; and Washington Arsenal in Washington, DC. - I can't locate him in any US Census (1860 nor 1870). His family shows up in the 1880 Census but he's already dead by then. Carol Hokana