4th July 2014 "Enhanced" Indexes to Ireland's Civil Registration Records Now Online At an event on the 3rd July attended by representatives of CIGO, the Minister for Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht, Jimmy Deenihan TD, launched a database index to Ireland's civil registration records. The database covers all civil records from 1845 (when registration first began) right up to 2013 - encompassing all non-Catholic marriages from April 1845 and all births, deaths and marriages from January 1864. Achieving this was one of CIGO's primary aims at the time it was founded in 1992 and yesterday's announcement by Mr Deenihan vindicates CIGO's long years of lobbying the Department of Health (which originally had oversight of the General Register Office) and the Department of Social Welfare (which assumed responsibility at the time of the passing of the Civil Registration Act 2004). The index entries in the database are "enhanced" because they note more information that those currently available in the GRO's Public Search Room or those that were microfilmed by the Church of Latter Day Saints in 1959 (and which are now available through FamilySearch.org, Ancestry.com and Findmypast.ie). A good explanation of what information is provided can be found here at Irish Genealogy News. continue> http://www.cigo.ie/news.html

Mark your calendars and c'mon out for that small town flavor...complete with carnival rides and attractions, crafts, homemade Italian foods and pastries, fireman's parade, fireworks, music and dancing. Annual Italian Feast of Our Lady of Mt Carmel (Westchester Co) with St Patrick's Roman Catholic Church of Verplanck, NY, (begun to serve immigrant Irish brickyard workers in 1843) http://www.facebook.com/pages/Italian-Festival-Verplanck-NY/99457227797 Feast Chairman Anthony Capicotti Wed., July 16- Sun., July 20 8th Street (closed to traffic), Verplanck, NY In recent years attendees brought lawn chairs and suggest wearing sneakers. THURSDAY, July 17 at 7pm! Streets of the Bronx Band 50's & 60's DooWop trio, http://www.streetsofthebronx.net/ FRIDAY eve, July 19 "Dancing Under the Stars" competition for Best Dancer Ricardo and Co with MVP Productions 10 PM Big Tarantella SATURDAY eve, July 19, following the Firemens Parade Dirty Stay Out / DSO (or in Italian, "Sporco Rimanere Fuori" ) Rock & Pop favorites https://www.facebook.com/stiff.richard.9?fref=ts SUNDAY eve, July 20; FDR Drive Band sounds of the '50s, '60s, '70s, Motown, Swing and Italian Classics then get ready for the Best Fireworks show in the area by Garden State Fireworks OUR LADY OF MT.CARMEL SOCIETY | 155 Highland Ave | Verplanck, NY, 10596 www.ourladyofmountcarmelsociety.com www.verplanckresidents.org Barb

Your address did not appear in your post, Virginia. But, when I hit reply it did. Hope this helps, Barb -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish <[email protected]> To: ny-irish <[email protected]>; Judi <[email protected]>; Pat Connors <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Jul 14, 2014 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Rootsweb's new stuff This is just a test of the new system. I just clicked on 'reply all'. Virginia ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: Judi <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Rootsweb's new stuff Yes, you can. But it is an extra thing to do and that was what I was trying to alert the list about, otherwise, if you just hit reply, like we used to do, it will not go to the list. The reason one would like their answer to go the to list's archives is that some who don't belong to the list, read the archives and they might have info that will help you and that they want to send you. However, if your reply is not sent to the list, it won't get into archives. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/ [email protected] ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, Can you not hit "reply all"? Looks as if this is going to the list as well as you and Barb. Judi -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 1:00 PM To: mizscarlettny Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Rootsweb's new stuff Well, it is a new day and now when I just hit reply to Barb's post, it went directly to her and not to the list. So, I had to add the list so this would post. Well, I guess that is better but I have set the list so all replies go to the list.

This is just a test of the new system. I just clicked on 'reply all'. Virginia ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: Judi <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Rootsweb's new stuff Yes, you can.  But it is an extra thing to do and that was what I was trying to alert the list about, otherwise, if you just hit reply, like we used to do, it will not go to the list.  The reason one would like their answer to go the to list's archives is that some who don't belong to the list, read the archives and they might have info that will help you and that they want to send you.  However, if your reply is not sent to the list, it won't get into archives. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/ [email protected] ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, you can. But it is an extra thing to do and that was what I was trying to alert the list about, otherwise, if you just hit reply, like we used to do, it will not go to the list. The reason one would like their answer to go the to list's archives is that some who don't belong to the list, read the archives and they might have info that will help you and that they want to send you. However, if your reply is not sent to the list, it won't get into archives. Also, please note, I have added my email address to my signature. I recommend all to check out their email program and if you can, add a signature with your name and email address. Pat, > Can you not hit "reply all"? Looks as if this is going to the list as well > as you and Barb. > Judi > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 1:00 PM > To: mizscarlettny > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Rootsweb's new stuff > > Well, it is a new day and now when I just hit reply to Barb's post, it went > directly to her and not to the list. So, I had to add the list so this > would post. Well, I guess that is better but I have set the list so all > replies go to the list. > > > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com [email protected]

Well, it is a new day and now when I just hit reply to Barb's post, it went directly to her and not to the list. So, I had to add the list so this would post. Well, I guess that is better but I have set the list so all replies go to the list. I guess no one remembers the adage, > "If it ain't broken don't fix it." > Just another hassle, especially for non daily posters. > > What is happening is that Rootsweb is trying to stop all the junk mail (spam) going to the various lists. You don't see most of it, but we list admins find it every morning and we have to review it and either send it to the list or mark is as spam so the email address is then in the Rootsweb computer and the computer will stop all future emails from post to the lists with that address. Trouble is the spammers are always finding work arounds and trying to trick the filters. Bottom line, we need to adjust to the Rootsweb filters/changes and then figure our work arounds. If you hit, 'reply' notice where your reply is going, if it just has a Rootsweb address, and you also want it to go to the poster , then add the posters email address. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Eastman's Blog has posted the story: http://blog.eogn.com/2014/07/13/who-do-you-think-you-are-marathon-on-tlc/ Pauline Salmon San Diego

I guess no one remembers the adage, "If it ain't broken don't fix it." Just another hassle, especially for non daily posters. -----Original Message----- From: ny-irish <[email protected]> To: ny-irish <[email protected]>; irish-american <[email protected]>; new-england-irish <[email protected]>; ontario-Irish <[email protected]>; irish-in-uk <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jul 13, 2014 4:02 pm Subject: [NY-IRISH] Rootsweb's new stuff You may have noticed lately that Rootsweb has changed a bit. The changes affects all the Rootsweb mailing lists. All mail now has a "from" or "sender" with [email protected] address (list's name). This is happening whether you're on list or digest version. What this means for you is you cannot tell who sent a message if he/she doesn't sign their message with their name. Additionally, you now CANNOT reply to anything but the list unless you can add a "cc", and put another recipient in the "to" field and the address you want to reply to. Also, you may be able to replace the list address with a different address. However, if you do, your email will not go to the list. So, if you want people to be able to write you off the list: -Always put your name at the end of the message along with your email address. -Use the subject line that reflects what you are answering about. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You may have noticed lately that Rootsweb has changed a bit. The changes affects all the Rootsweb mailing lists. All mail now has a "from" or "sender" with [email protected] address (list's name). This is happening whether you're on list or digest version. What this means for you is you cannot tell who sent a message if he/she doesn't sign their message with their name. Additionally, you now CANNOT reply to anything but the list unless you can add a "cc", and put another recipient in the "to" field and the address you want to reply to. Also, you may be able to replace the list address with a different address. However, if you do, your email will not go to the list. So, if you want people to be able to write you off the list: -Always put your name at the end of the message along with your email address. -Use the subject line that reflects what you are answering about. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I was surprised to see the Roman Catholic Orphan Asylum listed on 52nd St in a 1927 book, Barb.  They had moved way uptown about 1902.  This large and important institution with an amazing history was built next to St Patrick's Cathedral when the streets in that area were unpaved and the land was cheap and the neighborhood remote. That changed of course and in the 1890s a new location way uptown was sought.  The name changed too as 'asylum' had other connotations. It was run by the Sisters of Charity and they did an amazing job educating and providing job training for many thousands of boys and girls in separate buildings.  There is a lot online about the Roman Catholic Orphan Asylum. A brief overlook is at http://www.nycago.org/Organs/Brx/html/RCOrphanAsylum.html The site http://www.nycago.org/ is about organs (musical) but has excellent info about many churches in New York, often with very good photos both interior and exterior.  Worth checking out. I hope this goes thru as I'm having trouble with rootsweb unsubscribing me and not sending mail. Virginia

The Capacity numbers are astounding for these NYC Orphanages! Thank you for posting this. It gives yet another dimension to the cultural milieu in which the Irish and other immigrants were thrown. The orphanages were undoubtedly a tough situation for all involved. Maybe we could use selfless Irish nuns down on our current southern borders. MM

Child Caring Homes Within the Archdiocese of New York in 1927 Source: The Official Catholic Directory: 1927, New York : P. J. Kenedy & Sons, 1927. Roman Catholic Orphan Asylum, 24 East 52nd Street Cares for orphans and half orphans n children's institutions or homes of relatives. Catholic Institute for the Blind, 222nd Street and Eastchester Road, Bronx School and Home for blind children. Capacity: 23 Boys, 19 Girls. 7 Sisters of St. Dominic. Sister M. Cornelia, Supr. Dominican Convent of Our Lady of the Rosary, 329 E. 63rd Street, New York City, NY Home for dependent girls. Capacity: 243. 30 Sisters of St. Dominic. Mother M. Veronica, Supr. McMahon Memorial Temporary Shelter for Children, 217 E. 57th Street, New York City, NY Capacity: 35. Miss Florence Kennedy, Supt. Mission of the Immaculate Virgin for the Protection of Homeless and Destitute Children in the City of New York, 382 Lafayette Street, New York City, NY and Mount Loretto, Staten Island. 1--St. Joseph's Home for Boys; Sister M. Lucilla, Supr. 2--St. Elizabeth's Home for Girls; Sister M. Vincent, Supr. 3--St. Joseph's Asylum for Blind Girls; Sister M. Liguori, Supr. Total Capacity: Boys, 980; Girls, 450. 83 Sisters of St. Francis. Very Rev. Msgr. Mallick J. Fitzpatrick, Director; Revs. A. M. Pellieux, John J. Shanahan, B. J. Reilly, Chaplains. The New York Catholic Protectory, Office: 415 Broome Street, New York City, NY; Boys' Department, 1900 E. Temont Avenue. Capacity: 1000. 40 Brothers of the Christian Schools. Brother Alban, Director, Revs. Patrick P. McAleer and Michael P. O'Shea, Chaplains. Holy Angles' School, 1495 Unionport Road, Westchester Capacity: Girls and Little Boys, 900. 43 Sisters of Charity. Sister M. Charita, Sister-servant. House of the Holy Family, 136 2nd Avenue, New York City, NY (Association for Befriending Children and Young Girls). Foryoung girls who are in danger from evil association. Capacity: 70. 7 Sisters of Divine compassion. Sister Mary Ignatius, Supr. St. Elizabeth's Industrial School of the City of New York, 222 E. 12th Street, New York City, NY Trade school for poor girls. Capacity: 243. Miss Mary Kennedy, Supt. Branch House, 236 E. 15th Street. St. Joseph's Institute for the Improved Instruction of Deaf Mutes, Eastern Boulevard and E. 177th Street, New York City, NY Capacity: 200 Girls; 235 Boys. Hannah Miller, Supt. Boys' Dept.; Juanita I. O'Hara, Supt. Girl' Dept. St. Michael's Home for Destitute Children, Mt. St. Michael, Green Ridge, Staten Island Capacity: Boys, 200; Girls, 200. 37 Presentation Nuns. Mother M. Alphonsus, Supr.; Rev. Richard O'Sullivan, Chaplain. BLAUVELT, Rockland County, NY Asylum of the Sisters of St. Dominic, Capacity: Boys, 325; Girls, 255. 73 Sisters of St. Dominic. Mother M. Joseph, Prioress. The Asylum of the Sisters of St. Dominic is in District 221, Orangetown Twp., in the 1920 Census. DOBBS FERRY, Westchester County, NY Sacred Heart School, Orphanage for girls. Capacity: 180. 25 Missionary Sisters of the Sacred Heart. Mother Gesulina Bedogne, Supr. Reception House. 190th Street and Fort Washington Avenue, New York City. Rev. Michael Paris, Chaplain. Res., 141 Broadway. LINCOLNDALE, Westchester County, NY Lincoln Agricultural School, Branch of New York Catholic Protectory. Office, 415 Broome Street, New York City Capacity: 215 Boys. 11 Brothers of the Christian Schools. Brother Patrick, Supr. Rev. M. J. A. Coutlee, Chaplain. NANUET, Rockland County, NY The St. Agatha Home for Children, Capacity: 454 Boys; 346 Girls. 40 Sisters of Charity. Sister M. Thomasina, Sister-servant. PEEKSKILL, Westchester County, NY St. Joseph's Home for Children, 250 South Street Capacity: 486 Boys; 361 Girls. 108 Missionary Sisters of the Third Order of St. Francis. Sister M. Celestine, Supr. PORT JERVIS, Orange County, NY St. Mary's Orphan Asylum, 56 Ball Street Capacity: 65 Boys; 55 Girls. 7 Sisters of Charity. Sister Rose Alacoque, Sister-servant. RYE, Westchester County, NY St. Benedict's Home for Destitute Colored Children inthe City of New York, (Branch of the M. I. V.) Very Rev. Msgr. Mallick J. Fitzpatrick, Director; 381 Lafayette Street, New York City. Capacity: 67 Boys; 85 Girls. 15 Sisters of St. Francis. Sister M. Regina, Supr. Very Rev. Msgr. Wm. G. Murphy, Chaplain. SPARKILL, Rockland County, NY St. Agnes Convent, Branch of Dominican Convent of Our Lady of the Rosary Capacity: 633 Boys; 72 Girls. 67 Sisters of St. Dominc. Mother M. Benigna, Supr. Rev. Hugh J. McManus, O. P., Chaplain. TARRYTOWN, Westchester County, NY St. Vincent de Paul Institute (St. Vincent de Paul), 261 S. B'way. Capacity: Boys, 62; Girls, 93. 18 Sisters of Marianites of the HOly Cross. Sister Mary of St. Matthew, Supr. Rev. Mathurin Jouet, S. P.M., Chaplain. WEST PARK, Ulster County, NY Sacred Heart Orphan Asylum, Capacity: 195 Girls. 24 Missionary Sisters of the Sacred Heart. Mother Aurelia Marzagalli, Supr. Reception House, 190th Street and Fort Washington Avenue, New York City.

Hello Kelly: I checked The Saint Paul's Baptism and marriage records between 1839 and 1857 and could not find Charles Fagan, Matthew Fagan or his wife Catherine. Also checked Fagan in Tombstones of the Irish Born - Cemetery of the Holy Cross, Flatbush, Brooklyn which was established in 1849 according to Stiles the Brooklyn Historian. In the Tombstone book I found at page 32: FAGAN Catherine B. 4/31/1891, 68, Castlematyr, Cork Her sister Abagail Barry, 3/26/1897, 72 I don't know if this helps you, but this is how I found a sister of my GGF Matthew Corrigan that I didn't know about. Pauline Salmon San Diego Your info on 7/7/14 > > Charles Fagan b 1857 > 1875 census Brooklyn > Father Matthew > Mother "Catherine" might be her chosen name > Dates for father MF correct

Charles Fagan b 1857 1875 census Brooklyn Father Matthew Mother "Catherine" might be her chosen name Dates for father MF correct Kelly On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Have you searched City Directories for his addresses in NY County? > > Barb > > > From: Marian McCabe [email protected] > > > > Matthew, born County Meath approx. 1830 > Arrived New York City 1849 > > Married 1) Ann Cleary (1831-1869) 2) Mary Lynch (1834-1909) > > He lived in Manhattan and moved to Brooklyn in the 1860s. I would like to > know where he lived in Manhattan, as that would be where my grandfather > Charles S. Fagan was born. > > I would also like to know where Ann Cleary was from - presumably Ireland. > > Marian Fagan McCabe > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add > your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Daniel, this isn't anything that will take you further in your search, but the entire family is listed in the 1880 NY Census, with the exception of the motherIL. They also have a servant named Mary Barker living with them. I don't know why the Index only shows Andrew & Sarah. That's definitely a mistake. I can send you the image off-List if you'd like it. Terry -----Original Message----- <<<<In the 1870 Census Andrew Barr is now living in the Mount Vernon Postal District of Eastchester, Westchester County, New York. His occupation is listed as Dry Goods. He resides there with his wife Sarah (Young) Barr and 4 daughters Annie age 12, Sarah age10, Minnie and Lillie are both age 4. Mother in Law Margaret (Fair) Young is age 80 and living with the family. By the 1880 Census Andrew and Sarah (Young) Barr are the only persons listed in this census the children are not listed neither is the mother in law>>>>>. Thanks for any suggestions on how to proceed Daniel

Have you searched City Directories for his addresses in NY County? Barb From: Marian McCabe [email protected] Matthew, born County Meath approx. 1830 Arrived New York City 1849 Married 1) Ann Cleary (1831-1869) 2) Mary Lynch (1834-1909) He lived in Manhattan and moved to Brooklyn in the 1860s. I would like to know where he lived in Manhattan, as that would be where my grandfather Charles S. Fagan was born. I would also like to know where Ann Cleary was from - presumably Ireland. Marian Fagan McCabe ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat--I was unsubbed twice recently but have not had any messages bounced in a very long time. You said to delete most of the message I was replying to, as I did below, so my message would not be long and trigger a bounce.  I don't know what's going on with Rootsweb. Virginia ________________________________ From: Pat Connors <[email protected]> To: ny irish <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 3:00 PM Subject: [NY-IRISH] ADM MSG: recent unsubs from the list I thought the members of this list should see the Rootsweb response to all the unsubs that happened on this list over the weekend. Since the problem is really not solved, if you get unsubbed, you can write me to let me know but could you please resub yourself.  -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought the members of this list should see the Rootsweb response to all the unsubs that happened on this list over the weekend. Since the problem is really not solved, if you get unsubbed, you can write me to let me know but could you please resub yourself. You can do so here: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/NY-IRISH.html > thank you for contacting RootsWeb in regard to the unsubscribing of members. > We are sorry for the difficulty.Members are automatically unsubscribed from a Mailing List when the > number of bounced ( rejected ) e-mail messages reaches a pre-set threshold.Due to some recent changes > with many e-mail providers DMARC settings many of the Roots Web messages are being rejected and bounced > back.Our engineers are aware of this issue and are working with the Internet Service Providers to find a > solution.In the mean time all we can recommend is for your subscribers to contact their e-mail providers > and work with them to have them unblock these Roots Web messages.We are sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks for the help, Pat -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

"Ireland forgets Irish emigrants who fought in US Civil War" http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/Ireland-forgets-Irish-emigrants-who-fought-in-US-Civil-War.html "I was interested to learn that the Irish Government's position is that any remembrance of the Irish involvement in the Civil War should be driven by the United States...By way of comparison, Ireland is not taking the view that remembrance of the Irish in World War One should be driven by the British Government...All in all – despite the Minister's kind words – it seems likely that the policy of forgetting these Irish emigrants is set to continue." AUTHOR: Damian Shiels is an archeologist and author whose website can be found at irishamericancivilwar.com