This is a topic I research many years ago and have a history of women's naturalization changes here: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrenss2/naturalization/#women -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com [email protected]

Right, Virginia. It was once was that females and children only gained US citizenship through a father or husband. How well we long time list members remember "searching for the man," even in census records. (Women were not indexed then in Ancestry.) It wasn't until Aug 1920, when women gained the right to vote, that they could apply for citizenship in their name. Citizenship was also a reason for immigrant women to marry. Barb -----Original Message----- From: VLB [email protected] I believe this was the practice long before a law was passed. It worked the other way too. Women who married Americans automatically became citizens. I recently re-read the autobiography of Consuelo Vanderbilt who married the Duke of Marlborough in 1895. She thus lost her American citizenship and, after an unhappy arranged marriage and a divorce many years later, had to go thru legal processes to regain it. And, of further interest to all of us, tho the daughter of one of the richest families in the world, she had no birth certificate. Born in NYC in 1877. So it was not just immigrants, the poor etc who did not bother registering births. Virginia From: mizscarlettny via <[email protected]> Dear Friends, "The Expatriation Act of 1907 mandated that all women acquired their husband’s nationality upon marriage. As a result, between 1907 and 1922, countless women lost their U.S. citizenship through marriage to non-citizens." http://blog.eogn.com/2014/07/20/webinar-women-who-lost-citizenship-through-marriage-naturalization-and-repatriation-records-1922-1956/ WEBINAR on topic [YOU MUST PREP YOUR COMPUTER]> July 24 at 1:00 PM Eastern time You may sign up for free to participate. Click on "Attend Session" http://www.uscis.gov/HGWebinars#%E2%80%9CRecords%20Found%E2%80%9D%20Case%20Studies Does anyone know of a resource that lists NYC women who lost citizenship? Barb

Here you go, Kathleen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriation_Act_of_1907 Yes it was an American law and only applied to U.S. citizens. Barb ------------------------------ Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor [email protected] I've been wondering about this recently. Did it only apply to women who were US citizens, or would, say, a woman with Brazilian citizenship who married a man with Italian citizenship in NY also have acquired her husband's nationality? (I have a great-grandmother whose nationality is not what I'd expect it to be on her naturalization paperwork, and I'm wondering if it changed when she married, even though neither was a US citizen when they married.) Kathleen

I've been wondering about this recently. Did it only apply to women who were US citizens, or would, say, a woman with Brazilian citizenship who married a man with Italian citizenship in NY also have acquired her husband's nationality? (I have a great-grandmother whose nationality is not what I'd expect it to be on her naturalization paperwork, and I'm wondering if it changed when she married, even though neither was a US citizen when they married.) Kathleen On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:48 PM, mizscarlettny via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > "The Expatriation Act of 1907 mandated that all women acquired their > husband’s nationality upon marriage. As a result, between 1907 and 1922, > countless women lost their U.S. citizenship through marriage to > non-citizens." > > > http://blog.eogn.com/2014/07/20/webinar-women-who-lost-citizenship-through-marriage-naturalization-and-repatriation-records-1922-1956/ > > WEBINAR on topic> > July 24 at 1:00 PM Eastern time > > You may sign up for free to participate. Click on "Attend Session" > > http://www.uscis.gov/HGWebinars#%E2%80%9CRecords%20Found%E2%80%9D%20Case%20Studies > > Does anyone know of a resource that lists NYC women who lost citizenship? > > Barb > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Friends, "The Expatriation Act of 1907 mandated that all women acquired their husband’s nationality upon marriage. As a result, between 1907 and 1922, countless women lost their U.S. citizenship through marriage to non-citizens." http://blog.eogn.com/2014/07/20/webinar-women-who-lost-citizenship-through-marriage-naturalization-and-repatriation-records-1922-1956/ WEBINAR on topic> July 24 at 1:00 PM Eastern time You may sign up for free to participate. Click on "Attend Session" http://www.uscis.gov/HGWebinars#%E2%80%9CRecords%20Found%E2%80%9D%20Case%20Studies Does anyone know of a resource that lists NYC women who lost citizenship? Barb

I believe this was the practice long before a law was passed. It worked the other way too. Women who married Americans automatically became citizens. I recently re-read the autobiography of Consuelo Vanderbilt who married the Duke of Marlborough in 1895. She thus lost her American citizenship and, after an unhappy arranged marriage and a divorce many years later, had to go thru legal processes to regain it.  And, of further interest to all of us, tho the daughter of one of the richest families in the world, she had no birth certificate.  Born in NYC in 1877. So it was not just immigrants, the poor etc who did not bother registering births.  Virginia ________________________________ From: mizscarlettny via <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 2:48 PM Subject: [NY-IRISH] 1907 ACT vs Women's US Citizenship Dear Friends, "The Expatriation Act of 1907 mandated that all women acquired their husband’s nationality upon marriage. As a result, between 1907 and 1922, countless women lost their U.S. citizenship through marriage to non-citizens." http://blog.eogn.com/2014/07/20/webinar-women-who-lost-citizenship-through-marriage-naturalization-and-repatriation-records-1922-1956/ WEBINAR on topic> July 24 at 1:00 PM Eastern time You may sign up for free to participate. Click on "Attend Session" http://www.uscis.gov/HGWebinars#%E2%80%9CRecords%20Found%E2%80%9D%20Case%20Studies Does anyone know of a resource that lists NYC women who lost citizenship? Barb ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul Maccartney wrote the song: "Give Ireland Back to the Irish" in response to the above horrors. Kelly

Apologies w/ misinformation. Thanks Tony McCarthy for reporting in from Ireland. Barb -----Original Message----- From: Pat Connors <[email protected]> To: mizscarlettny <[email protected]>; ny-irish <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Jul 21, 2014 12:27 pm Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] People's Army List---Easter 1916 Great website, Barb, thanks. Names of Rebelling Irish: http://www.swilson.info/ica.php -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com [email protected]

McCartney is not English name. I always heard it as, "Give France back to the French." -----Original Message----- From: Kelly <[email protected]> To: mizscarlettny <[email protected]>; ny-irish <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Jul 21, 2014 10:59 am Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] People's Army List---Easter 1916 As the song goes "Give Ireland Back to the Irish" Paul Mcartney Kelly On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 3:41 PM, mizscarlettny via <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Friends, You may only know of a deliberate fire in Dublin that caused the destruction of genealogically important records. This was part of the Easter Rebellion of 1916, perhaps the most significant modern era event to impact Irish Catholics. The Event: "The Easter Rising (Irish: Éirí Amach na Cásca), also known as the Easter Rebellion, was an armed insurrection in Ireland during Easter Week, 1916. The Rising was mounted by Irish republicans to end British rule in Ireland, secede from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and establish an independent Irish Republic when the United Kingdom was heavily engaged in World War I. It was the most significant uprising in Ireland since the rebellion of 1798." SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Rising Names of Rebelling Irish: http://www.swilson.info/ica.php Up the Irish! Barb ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As the song goes "Give Ireland Back to the Irish" Paul Mcartney Kelly On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 3:41 PM, mizscarlettny via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > You may only know of a deliberate fire in Dublin that caused the > destruction of genealogically important records. > This was part of the Easter Rebellion of 1916, perhaps the most > significant modern era event to impact Irish Catholics. > > The Event: > "The Easter Rising (Irish: Éirí Amach na Cásca), also known as the Easter > Rebellion, was an armed insurrection in Ireland during Easter Week, 1916. > The Rising was mounted by Irish republicans to end British rule in Ireland, > secede from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and establish > an independent Irish Republic when the United Kingdom was heavily engaged > in World War I. It was the most significant uprising in Ireland since the > rebellion of 1798." > > SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Rising > > Names of Rebelling Irish: > http://www.swilson.info/ica.php > > Up the Irish! > Barb > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The destruction of the Irish records occured in 1922 during the civil war. TMcC ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: [email protected] Subject: [NY-IRISH] People's Army List---Easter 1916 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear Friends, You may only know of a deliberate fire in Dublin that caused the destruction of genealogically important records. This was part of the Easter Rebellion of 1916, perhaps the most significant modern era event to impact Irish Catholics. The Event: "The Easter Rising (Irish: ?ir? Amach na C?sca), also known as the Easter Rebellion, was an armed insurrection in Ireland during Easter Week, 1916. The Rising was mounted by Irish republicans to end British rule in Ireland, secede from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and establish an independent Irish Republic when the United Kingdom was heavily engaged in World War I. It was the most significant uprising in Ireland since the rebellion of 1798." SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Rising Names of Rebelling Irish: http://www.swilson.info/ica.php Up the Irish! Barb ------------------------------ To contact the NY-IRISH list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the NY-IRISH mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of NY-IRISH Digest, Vol 9, Issue 156 **************************************** -- Tony Mc Carthy

Great website, Barb, thanks. Names of Rebelling Irish: > http://www.swilson.info/ica.php > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com [email protected]

All praise to the Nobel Prize winning Irish poet, William Butler Yeats. Thanks, Barb, for a powerful read with my morning coffee. The explosions at the Four Courts occurred in June 1922 and was the beginning of the Irish Civil War. The Free State supporters (IRA) had occupied the building and refused to leave. After the murder of a British official in the North, the Pro-Treaty group led by Michael Collins and Arthur Griffith, were being prodded by the Brits to bring order to the country as heads of the legitimate government. They chose to bombard the building and retake control of the place. So it was a fratricidal destruction of the Irish records. The explosions at the Four Courts was devastating, of course, but not as bad as it could have been for Irish Catholics. The government had requested that all church records be deposited with the state. The Church of Ireland parishes complied, sometimes keeping copies. That was hard as records would have had to be transcribed by hand. However, most Catholic Churches did not comply, but kept the records with the parishes. Thus, what Catholic Church records we do have were mostly saved, albeit, they are pretty meager, in bad shape, and only go back to about 1800. Wills were destroyed as well as deeds and trusts, not much of a problem for my people as they had nothing. Sheila Santa Barbara

The Irish civil registration indexes of births, marriages and deaths, which included complete information, not just the minimum, finally came online several weeks ago after years of anticipation by many.  And just as suddenly they have disappeared. It seems the Irish government was not aware of their appearance and because the records included living people, they have removed all the records.  I hope everyone looked up all their ancestors during their cameo appearance online. You can read all about it on Clare Santry's never-to-be-missed daily Irish genealogy blog where all the news seems to break first-- http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/  There are also full articles about all this on the free Irish Times website--    http://tinyurl.com/k58at8q So we continue to wait.  You can continue to order certs by snail mail. Virginia

Dear Friends, You may only know of a deliberate fire in Dublin that caused the destruction of genealogically important records. This was part of the Easter Rebellion of 1916, perhaps the most significant modern era event to impact Irish Catholics. The Event: "The Easter Rising (Irish: Éirí Amach na Cásca), also known as the Easter Rebellion, was an armed insurrection in Ireland during Easter Week, 1916. The Rising was mounted by Irish republicans to end British rule in Ireland, secede from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and establish an independent Irish Republic when the United Kingdom was heavily engaged in World War I. It was the most significant uprising in Ireland since the rebellion of 1798." SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Rising Names of Rebelling Irish: http://www.swilson.info/ica.php Up the Irish! Barb

Easter 1916 by William Butler Yeats (1865-1939) I HAVE met them at close of day Coming with vivid faces From counter or desk among grey Eighteenth-century houses. I have passed with a nod of the head Or polite meaningless words, Or have lingered awhile and said Polite meaningless words, And thought before I had done Of a mocking tale or a gibe To please a companion Around the fire at the club, Being certain that they and I But lived where motley is worn: All changed, changed utterly: A terrible beauty is born. That woman's days were spent In ignorant good-will, Her nights in argument Until her voice grew shrill. What voice more sweet than hers When, young and beautiful, She rode to harriers? This man had kept a school And rode our winged horse; This other his helper and friend Was coming into his force; He might have won fame in the end, So sensitive his nature seemed, So daring and sweet his thought. This other man I had dreamed A drunken, vainglorious lout. He had done most bitter wrong To some who are near my heart, Yet I number him in the song; He, too, has resigned his part In the casual comedy; He, too, has been changed in his turn, Transformed utterly: A terrible beauty is born. Hearts with one purpose alone Through summer and winter seem Enchanted to a stone To trouble the living stream. The horse that comes from the road. The rider, the birds that range From cloud to tumbling cloud, Minute by minute they change; A shadow of cloud on the stream Changes minute by minute; A horse-hoof slides on the brim, And a horse plashes within it; The long-legged moor-hens dive, And hens to moor-cocks call; Minute by minute they live: The stone's in the midst of all. Too long a sacrifice Can make a stone of the heart. O when may it suffice? That is Heaven's part, our part To murmur name upon name, As a mother names her child When sleep at last has come On limbs that had run wild. What is it but nightfall? No, no, not night but death; Was it needless death after all? For England may keep faith For all that is done and said. We know their dream; enough To know they dreamed and are dead; And what if excess of love Bewildered them till they died? I write it out in a verse - MacDonagh and MacBride And Connolly and Pearse Now and in time to be, Wherever green is worn, Are changed, changed utterly: A terrible beauty is born.

Thank you very much, James, and Sherri from NY Irish. If anyone would know it's you, James! I own and love your book "Inside the Apple: A Streetwise History of New York City," and recommend it to New York researchers. And, I'm looking forward to reading your next book. Conclusion> 1900 US Census 22 Clarkson Street , in Greenwich Village, is in Ward 9 Appreciate everyone's help! Barb -----Original Message----- From: James Nevius [email protected] According to this list http://bklyn-genealogy-info.stevemorse.org/Ward/1900.Wards.html, it would be the 9th Ward in 1900. Cheers, James * * * * James Nevius co-author of "Footprints in New York: Tracing the Lives of Four Centuries of New Yorkers" (Lyons Press) www.footprintsinnewyork.com -- http://footprintsinnewyork.blogspot.com "Footprints in New York has some of the sharpest, most informative meditations on the history of the city that I have encountered in a long time." —Edwin G. Burrows, co-author of Gotham and author of Forgotten Patriots. and "Inside the Apple: A Streetwise History of New York City" “A smart and entertaining window on the city of the past.” —The New York Times http://www.insidetheapple.net On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:24 PM, mizscarlettny via <[email protected]> wrote: Oh my! I decided to look up my Irish family that were orphans...first time in a long time. Now, records are online that were not online before! I finally have more than one census for my poor, late arriving Irish immigrants. Would SKS please advise me... what Ward is 22 Clarkson Street [Greenwich Village] in the 1900 census? At the top of earlier and later census images from mine a 7 was written, and then crossed out. BTW this street address had few Irish and lots of Italians. Thanks ahead, Barb

It depends on one's email program. I am using gmail to answer this and my reply is going to you and to NY-Irish list. On my other email program, it only goes to the list. What I don't particularly like is when I now open an email posted to the Rootsweb lists, you don't see who is writing the post till you hit reply unless they add their name. > I find replying to posts on rootsweb very confusing. I thought at one time > that if i replied to a post by clicking on the addy the reply would go to > sender but it went to the list. Now I'm confused. Who will receive a > message if I click on the sender's email addy? Everyone even though the > list isn't mentioned in the address line I see? > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com [email protected]

Oh my! I decided to look up my Irish family that were orphans...first time in a long time. Now, records are online that were not online before! I finally have more than one census for my poor, late arriving Irish immigrants. Would SKS please advise me... what Ward is 22 Clarkson Street [Greenwich Village] in the 1900 census? At the top of earlier and later census images from mine a 7 was written, and then crossed out. BTW this street address had few Irish and lots of Italians. Thanks ahead, Barb

I find replying to posts on rootsweb very confusing. I thought at one time that if i replied to a post by clicking on the addy the reply would go to sender but it went to the list. Now I'm confused. Who will receive a message if I click on the sender's email addy? Everyone even though the list isn't mentioned in the address line I see? Kathy