Yup Native born USers [South Americans call themselves "Americans" in reference to that location] once again get the shaft. I'm now calling it a terrorist friendly site> webcams scan the peripheral skies, tons of coloring book photos for illiterate illegals, and more photos & what my Irish mom called gimmicks, loaded to the brim with gimmicks. Oh, and a shop to buy Liberty Christmas tree ornaments stamped "Made in Taiwan" much like the schtuff schlocked at the City Store near Muni Archives. Buy your taxicab mug "Made in China." 'Twld be really nice if OUR historical, national monument was so claimed, as the Great Wall is to China, and the Eiffel Tower belong to France, and Big Ben belongs to the English, and the mud sod soil plenished by briny sweat of suffocated RCs belongs to the souls of them. It all goes to the highest bidder. -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Presnall [email protected] Agreed Barb, all they had to do was fix the fact that you could copy the manifests which was the main reason they changed the site...they were angry that people were "stealing" information that way...JMHO this should be public access data to start with Joyce On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM, mizscarlettny via <[email protected]> wrote: Let's collect email contacts for the Ellis Island Board of Directors. They are ultimately responsible for this national historic site and its site presentation. This is just one more instance of native born Americans being disserviced by yet more surprises to our everyday life. This search engine is most likely willingly accessed by curious adults, who know what they are searching for. There was nothing wrong with the original search engine for the Ellis Island site. Some new age programmer decided to juice it up with larger photographs and more expansive linkage for a feather in a personal cap. "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" is an adage that served our ancestors well; this is not about bunking change, it's about energies spent where they are needed.

I guess they are trying to show us all the various things on their site, but they have everything scrolling so fast by your face you don't even have time to read it let alone click on the link to enter that portion of site... This keeps getting better and better :-( joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

I AM NOT RESENDING. COMPUTER IS GENERATING RESESENDS FROM YESTERDAY. Barb -----Original Message----- From: mizscarlettny via <[email protected]> To: NY-IRISH <[email protected]>; NYNEWYOR <[email protected]>; NYQUEENS <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Sep 7, 2014 12:45 pm Subject: [NY-IRISH] ELLIS ISLAND STIE & Board of Directors. Let's collect email contacts for the Ellis Island Board of Directors. They are ultimately responsible for this national historic site and its site presentation. This is just one more instance of native born Americans being disserviced by yet more surprises to our everyday life. This search engine is most likely willingly accessed by curious adults, who know what they are searching for. There was nothing wrong with the original search engine for the Ellis Island site. Some new age programmer decided to juice it up with larger photographs and more expansive linkage for a feather in a personal cap. "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" is an adage that served our ancestors well; this is not about bunking change, it's about energies spent where they are needed.

I have drafted a letter to the Ellis Island board of directors. When our genealogical community is so upset with all the changes it is important we let them know. The more people who write the greater the impact. Please email me off list at my regular address ([email protected]) and simply put Ellis Island in the Subject line. I will email you a copy. Many people have trouble writing letters but wil send one if someone provides a sample and makes it a bit easier. It is good if you personalize the letter a bit, but you don't have to. The important thing is we let them know how unhappy we are with the new site. BOD's look at numbers! Also if you have a Facebook account, plenty of people are logging in their complaints as well, but I don't think that is as effective as writing to the BOD. The BOD is wo makes all these decisions, not the publicity person on Facebook. If you are as upset about these changes as i am , email me and let's show them how many of us are not happy. If you have not visited the new website you really have to to see just how messed up the new site is...It is next to impossible to find anyone now...Test it by looking for people you know are there, and also look for a name or two that you don't know if they are there...see how difficult they have made it just to read the darn manifests! If we are to get them to fix this mess they have created we need to speak up folks...they need to hear from many of us! Joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

Agreed Barb, all they had to do was fix the fact that you could copy the manifests which was the main reason they changed the site...they were angry that people were "stealing" information that way...JMHO this should be public access data to start with Joyce On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM, mizscarlettny via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Let's collect email contacts for the Ellis Island Board of Directors. They > are ultimately responsible for this national historic site and its site > presentation. This is just one more instance of native born Americans being > disserviced by yet more surprises to our everyday life. This search engine > is most likely willingly accessed by curious adults, who know what they are > searching for. There was nothing wrong with the original search engine for > the Ellis Island site. Some new age programmer decided to juice it up with > larger photographs and more expansive linkage for a feather in a personal > cap. "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" is an adage that served our > ancestors well; this is not about bunking change, it's about energies spent > where they are needed. > > > > > > > Paul E. Weaver, Chairman > Chairman, Global TICE Practice > PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP (Retired) > > Lee A. Iacocca, Founding Chairman > The Iacocca Foundation > Former Chairman, Chrysler Corporation > > > > > Michael L. Barrera, Esq. > Regional Director > The Libre Initiative > > Gedale B. Horowitz > Senior Managing Director, Markets & Banking > Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. > > > > > Albert C. Bellas > Managing Director > The Solaris Group, LLC > > Karen Jurgensen > Former Editor > USA Today > > > > > Stephen A. Briganti > President and Chief Executive Officer > Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. > > Tommy Lasorda > Special Advisor to Chairman/Hall of Fame Manager > Los Angeles Dodgers > > > > > Joseph E. Doddridge > Asst. to Assistant Secretary Fish, Wildlife & Parks > U. S. Department of the Interior (Retired) > > Peter M. Lehrer > Former Chairman > Lehrer-McGovern Construction Co. > > > > > Michael Donovan > Executive Chairman > Mediaocean > > Michael J. O'Bannon > President > EOP Group > > > > > Emilio Estefan > Founder and CEO > Estefan Enterprises > > Warren Winiarski > Proprietor, Arcadia Vineyards > Founder, Stag's Leap Wine Cellar > > > > > Tina Santi Flaherty > Corporate Vice President Emeritus > The Colgate-Palmolive Company > > Gene A. Bay, Trustee Emeriti > Gene Bay Associates > Former Publisher of Field & Stream, CBS, Inc. > > > > > Christopher "Kip" Forbes > Vice Chairman > Forbes Publishing Company > > William B. Matteson, Trustee Emeriti > Managing Partner (Retired) > Debevoise & Plimpton > > > > > Jeffrey R. Gural > Chairman > Newmark Knight Frank > > > John B. Turbidy, Trustee Emeriti > Former President & Chief Executive Officer > Pitcairn Incorporated > > > > http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/the-board-of-directors > > > > > > > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

One of the other things you can't do anymore is page through the manifest to see if there are any other family members traveling with your ancestor, or to see how many died on the way over. Again, the persons who designed this thing were never users. They don't know how a genealogy researcher thinks. It was not meant to be helpful. It was meant to restrict access and thereby generate revenue. What a surprise they will get. Think of all the other sites that have gone from free to paid, the prices are not comparable to this gouging. Scotland's People which I use a lot asks for 5 euros for documents and you can browse around the indexes and get smart enough to chose the right document. This site makes that impossible. BTW if you have to use the site, the only way is to go through Steve Morse. At least there you can enter a full name and get your person without all the down filtering. And Tommy Lasorda is one of the Directors. Wow! Sheila Santa Barbara CA

Sheila has the Irish gift with writing! Smart, savvy and succinctly said. Barb -----Original Message----- From: Allison White via <[email protected]> To: Pat Connors <[email protected]>; ny-irish <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Sep 6, 2014 5:27 pm Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Ellis Island web site You got that right! Ally ________________________________ From: Pat Connors via <[email protected]> To: Sheila MacAvoy Block <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Ellis Island web site Great email, Sheila. The redesign is typical of what has happened to all these sites over > time, Family History, Ancestry, etc. The redesign is assigned to > computer engineers, not genealogists. They all think they know better. > It is like assigning the design of a kitchen to somebody who doesn't cook. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com [email protected] ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Folks, Here is the Link to EMAIL or PHONE [mon-fri] The Ellis Island Site. http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/contact-us It would be a great idea if some folks contacted Dick Eastman so he can check it out. Barb

Let's collect email contacts for the Ellis Island Board of Directors. They are ultimately responsible for this national historic site and its site presentation. This is just one more instance of native born Americans being disserviced by yet more surprises to our everyday life. This search engine is most likely willingly accessed by curious adults, who know what they are searching for. There was nothing wrong with the original search engine for the Ellis Island site. Some new age programmer decided to juice it up with larger photographs and more expansive linkage for a feather in a personal cap. "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" is an adage that served our ancestors well; this is not about bunking change, it's about energies spent where they are needed. Paul E. Weaver, Chairman Chairman, Global TICE Practice PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP (Retired) Lee A. Iacocca, Founding Chairman The Iacocca Foundation Former Chairman, Chrysler Corporation Michael L. Barrera, Esq. Regional Director The Libre Initiative Gedale B. Horowitz Senior Managing Director, Markets & Banking Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. Albert C. Bellas Managing Director The Solaris Group, LLC Karen Jurgensen Former Editor USA Today Stephen A. Briganti President and Chief Executive Officer Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. Tommy Lasorda Special Advisor to Chairman/Hall of Fame Manager Los Angeles Dodgers Joseph E. Doddridge Asst. to Assistant Secretary Fish, Wildlife & Parks U. S. Department of the Interior (Retired) Peter M. Lehrer Former Chairman Lehrer-McGovern Construction Co. Michael Donovan Executive Chairman Mediaocean Michael J. O'Bannon President EOP Group Emilio Estefan Founder and CEO Estefan Enterprises Warren Winiarski Proprietor, Arcadia Vineyards Founder, Stag's Leap Wine Cellar Tina Santi Flaherty Corporate Vice President Emeritus The Colgate-Palmolive Company Gene A. Bay, Trustee Emeriti Gene Bay Associates Former Publisher of Field & Stream, CBS, Inc. Christopher "Kip" Forbes Vice Chairman Forbes Publishing Company William B. Matteson, Trustee Emeriti Managing Partner (Retired) Debevoise & Plimpton Jeffrey R. Gural Chairman Newmark Knight Frank John B. Turbidy, Trustee Emeriti Former President & Chief Executive Officer Pitcairn Incorporated http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/the-board-of-directors

You got that right! Ally ________________________________ From: Pat Connors via <[email protected]> To: Sheila MacAvoy Block <[email protected]>; "n[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2014 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] Ellis Island web site Great email, Sheila. The redesign is typical of what has happened to all these sites over > time, Family History, Ancestry, etc. The redesign is assigned to > computer engineers, not genealogists. They all think they know better. > It is like assigning the design of a kitchen to somebody who doesn't cook. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com [email protected] ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I haven't been on the site in a while so I just tried to log on. It seems my account is GONE! Had to create a new one. Nope, don't like the new site! Ally -------Original Message------- From: Sheila MacAvoy Block via Date: 9/6/2014 1:40:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NY-IRISH] Ellis Island web site Changes to the Ellis Island web site do a few things that render it useless for this researcher. 1) All of the information stored in my old account is gone. 2) when you start a search, the first name box will only let you put in a first letter. You get a raft of data, quit readable I will admit. You must then screen by sex, marital status etc. Then you are given a list of possibilities, including people who use the initial you have entered as either the first letter of the middle name or the middle initial. The redesign uses the same philosophy that pertains to all of these new platforms. You have to go through lots of filters to find your person.It will never give you the exact matches. It presumes a kind of engineering thinking that I don't process well. 3) When you find your manifest, you can read it, but you can't screen print it or snip it. As soon as you take the cursor off the magnified image to go to a snipping tool, the image goes to a full screen and is unreadable. When I tried to print the image, my printer got bound up. I presume because the image was so large. In other words, the new site is clearer to read, fancy,somewhat clutzy, but is now not really free. If I understand correctly, the new site will charge $49 for a copy of the image. Bottom line, Ellis Island is available to view, but they have figured out a way to make it a pay site, for all intents and purposes. And not cheap. The redesign is typical of what has happened to all these sites over time, Family History, Ancestry, etc. The redesign is assigned to computer engineers, not genealogists. They all think they know better. It is like assigning the design of a kitchen to somebody who doesn't cook. Sheila Santa Barbara CA ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have drafted a letter to send to the Board of Directors. If anyone wants a copy just email me OFFLIST at my regular email address which is [email protected] and I will send you a copy. Because it is quite long I do not want to post it here. That way you can just copy and paste into a letter and put your own return address on the letter. I know from previous experience that if people are given a letter to send, they are more likely to send it. PLEASE use Ellis Island Letter in the subject of your email so i do not accidentally delete it. I hope if we all join together to show them their folly they will do something to make the site more usable again. In my opinion they threw their money away on this "new and improved" site which is not improved at all. Joyce On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Joyce Presnall <[email protected]> wrote: > I just tried to sign in to review an immigration file I had found before > as one of the names on that register has popped up in the family and I > wanted to review the manifest. !st I was unable to sign in under my old > acct info. > > I sent a request for my PW but by then it had assigned me a new acct...I > JUST finally got someone to return my call (212-561-4588) and spoke to > someone who is involved in all the website changes and they are anxious to > hear about issues people are having. > > In my mind they have made the site virtually unusable. What they have > done is made it so that people can no longer "snip" and thus copy document > info. > > > I explained to them that I figured that was the reason for the change but > that at their prices, no one is going to buy documents, especially when > they cannot get a good enough look at the document to see if it is their > own people. > > Please EVERYONE go to the site, and then let them know how you feel about > these new changes. > > BTW links to these documents from familysearch.org no longer work > either. I let them know that and also tried to get a message through to > familysearch.org as well. > > I am very irritated at this as in my mind, they have made the site so > difficult to get around and made it so difficult to examine the documents > as to have rendered the website virtually useless. PLEASE let them know > what you don't like about the new site as they are still in BETA and can > make changes, but they cannot make changes if they don't know what the > complaints are...so please contact them so they can get this site better > designed for us, the customers. > > Please pass this on to any other lists you belong to > > Joyce > > > > -- > Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, > Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, > Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, > Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, > Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, > Norton, Gerard, and many more... > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

Hi Elizabeth, Suggest that you complete your search of Bernard O and family as you will get more certainties as you proceed. Then go to the 1840 US CENSUS and see if you find him [only heads listed] there. The least that will happen is you'll eliminate that time for his NYC arrival. This surname spelling will cause you difficulties. Famine era folks aimed to escape Ireland and survive the trip. Search here for Emigrant Ships> http://aad.archives.gov/aad/series-list.jsp?cat=GP44 Barb -----Original Message----- From: KCANDME103 via [email protected] Hi, everyone! I have Oats/Oatis/Oates/Otis in Queens in the 1850's upward.....now in the 1850 census, Bernard Oatis, his wife, Margaret, and son Bernard are listed....but there is a Mary A. Evans (something like 8) listed as a niece born in New Brunswick.....I'm guessing Canada. I have yet to find the Oatis folks coming into the US so I don't know where they are from in Ireland. I have not done any Canadian research. I don't know if this lassie just came and stayed with them in 1850....she doesn't appear any place else with them....or if they may have picked her up on the way to Queens via Canada. Would anyone have any thoughts on where I should go from here? Thanks so much! Elizabeth Fairport, NY

Great email, Sheila. The redesign is typical of what has happened to all these sites over > time, Family History, Ancestry, etc. The redesign is assigned to > computer engineers, not genealogists. They all think they know better. > It is like assigning the design of a kitchen to somebody who doesn't cook. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com [email protected]

Barb, I maybe blind but i cannot find an email link and I am certainly not going to make a CA to NY phone call. I really want to give them a piece of my mind. Correct me if I am wrong, was there a group (maybe volunteers, maybe Family History Library) that transcribed all those records? This new site is miserable. Even I can to better and I am not a profession web builder. Here is the Link to EMAIL or PHONE [mon-fri] > > The Ellis Island Site. > > http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/contact-us > Thanks for the data. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com [email protected]

*I did not realize list of names was so long and left out a few* *Paul E. Weaver, Chairman* Chairman, Global TICE Practice PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP (Retired) *Lee A. Iacocca, Founding Chairman* The Iacocca Foundation Former Chairman, Chrysler Corporation *Michael L. Barrera, Esq.* Regional Director The Libre Initiative *Albert C. Bellas* Managing Director The Solaris Group, LLC *Stephen A. Briganti* President and Chief Executive Officer Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. *Joseph E. Doddridge* Asst. to Assistant Secretary Fish, Wildlife & Parks U. S. Department of the Interior (Retired) *Michael Donovan* Executive Chairman Mediaocean *Emilio Estefan* Founder and CEO Estefan Enterprises *Tina Santi Flaherty* Corporate Vice President Emeritus The Colgate-Palmolive Company *Christopher "Kip" Forbes* Vice Chairman Forbes Publishing Company *Jeffrey R. Gural* Chairman Newmark Knight Frank *Gedale B. Horowitz* Senior Managing Director, Markets & Banking Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. *Karen Jurgensen* Former Editor USA Today *Tommy Lasorda* Special Advisor to Chairman/Hall of Fame Manager Los Angeles Dodgers *Peter M. Lehrer* Former Chairman Lehrer-McGovern Construction Co. *Michael J. O'Bannon* President EOP Group *Warren Winiarski* Proprietor, Arcadia Vineyards Founder, Stag's Leap Wine Cellar *Gene A. Bay, Trustee Emeriti* Gene Bay Associates Former Publisher of Field & Stream, CBS, Inc. *William B. Matteson, Trustee Emeriti* Managing Partner (Retired) Debevoise & Plimpton *John B. Turbidy, Trustee Emeriti* Former President & Chief Executive Officer Pitcairn Incorporated On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Joyce Presnall <[email protected]> wrote: > If we are to get them to do something about this site we really need to > let these people know how we feel. Here is contact info and their names: > Please pass this on to ALL lists you belong to! Maybe we can get them to > fix it before it is too late. > > I am going to write them a long letter and just address it to them all. > Please do the same. This all comes from them not generating enough $ off > the site but the fact is they want too much $ for documents!!! And I don't > know how YOU feel, but I could care less about the stupid certificate --I > just want to be able to find my people's immigration documents easily and > to be able to read them. A BIG part of this site change was to stop people > from using snipping tool to copy the data. This should be public > information to start with JMHO > > *Board of Directors Ellis Island site.* > *Snail Mail address: * > > > > * The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc.17 Battery Place #210* > New York, NY 10004-3507 > > *Paul E. Weaver, Chairman* > Chairman, Global TICE Practice > PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP (Retired) > > *Lee A. Iacocca, Founding Chairman* > The Iacocca Foundation > Former Chairman, Chrysler Corporation > > *Michael L. Barrera, Esq.* > Regional Director > The Libre Initiative > > *Gedale B. Horowitz* > Senior Managing Director, Markets & Banking > Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. > > *Albert C. Bellas* > Managing Director > The Solaris Group, LLC > > *Karen Jurgensen* > Former Editor > USA Today > > *Stephen A. Briganti* > President and Chief Executive Officer > Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. > > *Tommy Lasorda* > Special Advisor to Chairman/Hall of Fame Manager > Los Angeles Dodgers > > *Joseph E. Doddridge* > Asst. to Assistant Secretary Fish, Wildlife & Parks > U. S. Department of the Interior (Retired) > > *Peter M. Lehrer* > Former Chairman > Lehrer-McGovern Construction Co. > > *Michael Donovan* > Executive Chairman > Mediaocean > > *Michael J. O'Bannon* > President > EOP Group > > > If anything is to be done about this we need a STRONG grass roots > movement. > > > I hope all of you will write them. > > Joyce > > > > > > > > -- > Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, > Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, > Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, > Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, > Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, > Norton, Gerard, and many more... > -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

If we are to get them to do something about this site we really need to let these people know how we feel. Here is contact info and their names: Please pass this on to ALL lists you belong to! Maybe we can get them to fix it before it is too late. I am going to write them a long letter and just address it to them all. Please do the same. This all comes from them not generating enough $ off the site but the fact is they want too much $ for documents!!! And I don't know how YOU feel, but I could care less about the stupid certificate --I just want to be able to find my people's immigration documents easily and to be able to read them. A BIG part of this site change was to stop people from using snipping tool to copy the data. This should be public information to start with JMHO *Board of Directors Ellis Island site.* *Snail Mail address: * * The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc.17 Battery Place #210* New York, NY 10004-3507 *Paul E. Weaver, Chairman* Chairman, Global TICE Practice PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP (Retired) *Lee A. Iacocca, Founding Chairman* The Iacocca Foundation Former Chairman, Chrysler Corporation *Michael L. Barrera, Esq.* Regional Director The Libre Initiative *Gedale B. Horowitz* Senior Managing Director, Markets & Banking Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. *Albert C. Bellas* Managing Director The Solaris Group, LLC *Karen Jurgensen* Former Editor USA Today *Stephen A. Briganti* President and Chief Executive Officer Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. *Tommy Lasorda* Special Advisor to Chairman/Hall of Fame Manager Los Angeles Dodgers *Joseph E. Doddridge* Asst. to Assistant Secretary Fish, Wildlife & Parks U. S. Department of the Interior (Retired) *Peter M. Lehrer* Former Chairman Lehrer-McGovern Construction Co. *Michael Donovan* Executive Chairman Mediaocean *Michael J. O'Bannon* President EOP Group If anything is to be done about this we need a STRONG grass roots movement. I hope all of you will write them. Joyce -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

Changes to the Ellis Island web site do a few things that render it useless for this researcher. 1) All of the information stored in my old account is gone. 2) when you start a search, the first name box will only let you put in a first letter. You get a raft of data, quit readable I will admit. You must then screen by sex, marital status etc. Then you are given a list of possibilities, including people who use the initial you have entered as either the first letter of the middle name or the middle initial. The redesign uses the same philosophy that pertains to all of these new platforms. You have to go through lots of filters to find your person.It will never give you the exact matches. It presumes a kind of engineering thinking that I don't process well. 3) When you find your manifest, you can read it, but you can't screen print it or snip it. As soon as you take the cursor off the magnified image to go to a snipping tool, the image goes to a full screen and is unreadable. When I tried to print the image, my printer got bound up. I presume because the image was so large. In other words, the new site is clearer to read, fancy,somewhat clutzy, but is now not really free. If I understand correctly, the new site will charge $49 for a copy of the image. Bottom line, Ellis Island is available to view, but they have figured out a way to make it a pay site, for all intents and purposes. And not cheap. The redesign is typical of what has happened to all these sites over time, Family History, Ancestry, etc. The redesign is assigned to computer engineers, not genealogists. They all think they know better. It is like assigning the design of a kitchen to somebody who doesn't cook. Sheila Santa Barbara CA

I use AOL and the only problem I have ever had is just recently I was thrown off two lists and had to re-subscribe. I was thrown off the Irish NY list twice, but now everything is back to normal. I think other Internet providers had the same problem; maybe this is your problem with Gmail. I know AOL is considered an "obsolete" provider by many, but it serves my needs. Henny

Hi, everyone! I have Oats/Oatis/Oates/Otis in Queens in the 1850's upward.....now in the 1850 census, Bernard Oatis, his wife, Margaret, and son Bernard are listed....but there is a Mary A. Evans (something like 8) listed as a niece born in New Brunswick.....I'm guessing Canada. I have yet to find the Oatis folks coming into the US so I don't know where they are from in Ireland. I have not done any Canadian research. I don't know if this lassie just came and stayed with them in 1850....she doesn't appear any place else with them....or if they may have picked her up on the way to Queens via Canada. Would anyone have any thoughts on where I should go from here? Thanks so much! Elizabeth Fairport, NY