Thank you Pauline and Pat! I love it when folks post something I never heard about. A little history lesson. Barb =================== From: Pat Lewis via [email protected] I REMEMBER HEARING AND SINGING IT DURING WWII, DIDN'T KNOW WHY OR WHAT IT ALL MEANT, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A SONG I WOULD HEAR EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE SOMEONE SINGING IT. ======================== Pauline Salmon wrote: Dear Listers: During WWII people did not have much in neutral Ireland. Tea, food, everything seemed to be rationed. My husband who grew up in Dublin remembered the song with DeValera and McEntee in the words but could not recall the remainder. I found it on wikipedia today. When he saw the "black flour" he remembered about 1944 the rain was terrible and they had to get the wheat in early before it would spoil. Volunteers were called for and they gathered the unripen wheat made the bread with soggy kernels of wheat. When you ate it the inside tasted of dough and the exterior was black. Awful is the word he used. Hard times and they had to blame someone, so DeValera the first president of the Irish Free State and Sean McEntee was an old Sein Fein man in the govenment. > > Irish version[edit] > A satirical version of the song became very popular in Ireland during the Second World War (known in neutral Ireland as the Emergency). The song was a reaction to the widespread rationing of tea, sugar, tobacco and other goods due to the drastic drop in imports, particularly from Britain.[4] It poked fun at Ireland's TaoiseachEamon de Valera and Minister Seán McEntee who were blamed for the shortages and rationing. The line "the long and the short and the tall" had particular sarcastic resonance because De Valera was tall while McEntee was very short. > The Irish version of the song included the lines: > Bless 'em all, > Bless 'em all. > The long and the short and the tall, > Bless De Valera and Seán McEntee, > They gave us the black flour, > And the half-ounce of tea. > They rationed the cocoa and all, > But rationed themselves not at all. > They're bringing starvation > To our little nation, > So cheer up St Vincent de Paul.’ > http://puesoccurrences.com/2010/01/05/de-valera-black-flour-and-the-emergency-or-tings-i-lernt-over-de-christmas > > Pauline Salmon > San Diego

I REMEMBER HEARING AND SINGING IT DURING WWII, DIDN'T KNOW WHY OR WHAT IT ALL MEANT, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A SONG I WOULD HEAR EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE SOMEONE SINGING IT. On Sep 13, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Pauline Salmon via <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Listers: > > During WWII people did not have much in neutral Ireland. Tea, food, everything seemed to be rationed. My husband who grew up in Dublin remembered the song with DeValera and McEntee in the words but could not recall the remainder. I found it on wikipedia today. When he saw the "black flour" he remembered about 1944 the rain was terrible and they had to get the wheat in early before it would spoil. Volunteers were called for and they gathered the unripen wheat made the bread with soggy kernels of wheat. When you ate it the inside tasted of dough and the exterior was black. Awful is the word he used. Hard times and they had to blame someone, so DeValera the first president of the Irish Free State and Sean McEntee was an old Sein Fein man in the govenment. > > Irish version[edit] > A satirical version of the song became very popular in Ireland during the Second World War (known in neutral Ireland as the Emergency). The song was a reaction to the widespread rationing of tea, sugar, tobacco and other goods due to the drastic drop in imports, particularly from Britain.[4] It poked fun at Ireland's TaoiseachEamon de Valera and Minister Seán McEntee who were blamed for the shortages and rationing. The line "the long and the short and the tall" had particular sarcastic resonance because De Valera was tall while McEntee was very short. > The Irish version of the song included the lines: > Bless 'em all, > Bless 'em all. > The long and the short and the tall, > Bless De Valera and Seán McEntee, > They gave us the black flour, > And the half-ounce of tea. > They rationed the cocoa and all, > But rationed themselves not at all. > They're bringing starvation > To our little nation, > So cheer up St Vincent de Paul.’ > http://puesoccurrences.com/2010/01/05/de-valera-black-flour-and-the-emergency-or-tings-i-lernt-over-de-christmas > > Pauline Salmon > San Diego > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers: During WWII people did not have much in neutral Ireland. Tea, food, everything seemed to be rationed. My husband who grew up in Dublin remembered the song with DeValera and McEntee in the words but could not recall the remainder. I found it on wikipedia today. When he saw the "black flour" he remembered about 1944 the rain was terrible and they had to get the wheat in early before it would spoil. Volunteers were called for and they gathered the unripen wheat made the bread with soggy kernels of wheat. When you ate it the inside tasted of dough and the exterior was black. Awful is the word he used. Hard times and they had to blame someone, so DeValera the first president of the Irish Free State and Sean McEntee was an old Sein Fein man in the govenment. Irish version[edit] A satirical version of the song became very popular in Ireland during the Second World War (known in neutral Ireland as the Emergency). The song was a reaction to the widespread rationing of tea, sugar, tobacco and other goods due to the drastic drop in imports, particularly from Britain.[4] It poked fun at Ireland's TaoiseachEamon de Valera and Minister Seán McEntee who were blamed for the shortages and rationing. The line "the long and the short and the tall" had particular sarcastic resonance because De Valera was tall while McEntee was very short. The Irish version of the song included the lines: Bless 'em all, Bless 'em all. The long and the short and the tall, Bless De Valera and Seán McEntee, They gave us the black flour, And the half-ounce of tea. They rationed the cocoa and all, But rationed themselves not at all. They're bringing starvation To our little nation, So cheer up St Vincent de Paul.’ http://puesoccurrences.com/2010/01/05/de-valera-black-flour-and-the-emergency-or-tings-i-lernt-over-de-christmas Pauline Salmon San Diego

Link does not work. Go the homepage at>http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/ HONOR YOUR FAMILY [drop down] WALL OF HONOR SEARCH WALL Then, enter your surname or full name. Barb -----Original Message----- From: mizscarlettny <[email protected]> To: NYBrooklyn <[email protected]>; nywestch <[email protected]>; nysuffol <[email protected]>; NY-IRISH <[email protected]>; NYNASSAU <[email protected]>; NYNEWYOR <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Sep 13, 2014 9:18 am Subject: ELLIS ISLAND SITE SEARCH: NOTE: The Wall section is searchable and returns results. http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/search-who Certainly it does not give as many details as we'd like, [such as the hometown of the panel purchaser] but it gives clues, sometimes to the exact Irish homeland. After you put a surname into it and you see clues, below the clues click on "LOAD MORE," until you've seen every hit. Barb

NOTE: The Wall section is searchable and returns results. http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/search-who Certainly it does not give as many details as we'd like, [such as the hometown of the panel purchaser] but it gives clues, sometimes to the exact Irish homeland. After you put a surname into it and you see clues, below the clues click on "LOAD MORE," until you've seen every hit. Barb

Ancestry.com is similar to a utilities monopoly, they own everything (genealogy wise) and you're virtually out of luck unless you want to pay their enormous yearly dues. Being the cheap sort, when I absolutely have no option but to check Ancestry.com, I drive to my local library (for which I pay taxes) and use their access. Just a thought.

You should check out FamilySearch.org - they have 3.5 billion records - free online. Ancestry is great - I use it daily. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:43 PM, [email protected] via <[email protected]> wrote: > Ancestry.com is similar to a utilities monopoly, they own everything (genealogy wise) and you're virtually out of luck unless you want to pay their enormous yearly dues. > > Being the cheap sort, when I absolutely have no option but to check Ancestry.com, I drive to my local library (for which I pay taxes) and use their access. > > Just a thought. > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My research partner just passed away recently so without the two of us researching together my subscription probably won't be worth it. I just checked and fold3 was about $50/year and newspapers.com was $80 so you do save $30 per year. If I got more out of ancestry that would change things but I almost never find anything and in checking for a relative who died in France in WW1 I get absolutely nothing from ancestry or newspapers.com though my mom told me ages ago that his funeral was a very big affair when his body was returned to the states. Fortunately I got his death file from the military years ago. Just wish I had the write up about the funeral. Kathy On Sep 12, 2014, at 2:06 PM, [email protected] wrote: > I hate to say this folks but I think that Ancestry sucks and they are > draining the life blood out of long time subscribers. I am wondering if it > might be benifical to have just one person on the list that we can do a go > to as the fees for accessing Ancestry climb the bean stalk into well you can > guess where. > > Daniel

Pat, Don't forget that there are many preliminary trees on Ancestry... meaning, some are so basic that it appears that Ancestry's engines are creating them by tracking members searching online. Trees are a feature that attracts members and it is recommended that folks use them as clues, not facts, until proven and cross referenced. Barb -----Original Message----- From: Pat Connors via [email protected] I cannot thank all who have tried to help me enough. I use the Library Edition at my local Family History Center and it might just be that with the library edition you cannot contact the owners of the trees. I am at the point of not caring is this person is walking around thinking he/she knows all about their McEntees. They were ignorant to think there was a connection between their McEntee and my McEntee to begin with, so I am letting it go. As I have heard, 'ignorance is bliss'. I was just hoping against hope, there was some connection but checking out their Wyoming McEntees, I know they are not connected to my NY McEntees. Again, thanks to all for your help. I believe the replies have also helped others. This list is my favorite list, so many nice people and all so helpful. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA

My current subscription is to the "World Explorer" tier. They've got a new "World Explorer Plus" tier now that includes Fold3 and newspapers.com for an extra $100 (?) per year. I've had such poor luck lately finding anyone in my family though I'm giving serious consideration to abandoning my membership completely anyway. Kathy On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:51 AM, VLB <[email protected]> wrote: > Maybe it was a one-time glitch? I don't know what is higher than a world membership unless there is a new all-cosmos level for more money.... I do have a Fold3 membership too--half-price if you are an Ancestry member tho you have to ask for it--it's not automatic. But that never affected my ability to see US military records that were on Ancestry. I only use Fold 3 for the city directories, worth every penny to me. > Virginia > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: VLB <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:23 AM > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] ancestry.com > > Not sure I understand what's going on. I tried to open a draft registration the other day and got a message that said I had to subscribe to Fold3 to see it so I called customer service at ancestry and was told that I would have to upgrade to the new higher tier of membership for any military records. But I did just try again to see a draft registration and was able to view it. > >

Joyce, I would not have posted the information IF I did not get resolution with a specific problem. I had direct phone contact with the head honcho of one of their products, and as a member for a trillion years I was treated respectfully. Please do not make assumptions about me, or reinterpret what you think that I meant to say. Barb -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Presnall [email protected] For customer service for ancestry the # is 1-800-262-3787 . Numbers provided by Barb would be useful for overall complaints I suppose but I don't think that is going to get you resolution on specific problems you are having with ancestry site or products. I have found calling ancestry rather than using their online method [email protected] to be more helpful. When you email them you don't get the answers you need and wind up in back and forth emails that never do resolve the issue(s). Joyce On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:49 AM, mizscarlettny via <[email protected]> wrote: Ancestry.com Inc. Corporate Headquarters 360 West 4800 North Provo, UT 84604 Ph 801-705-7000 Fx 801-705-7001 http://corporate.ancestry.com/contact-us/ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Researching Stephenson/Stevenson, Fleury, Heald, Lindelof, Young, Rubino, Cammarota, Mandracchia, Vaiarelli, Mulhern, Johnson, Haight, Erickson, Munson, Northrup, Sears, Camp, Gunn, Allen, Gorham, Plumb, Beard, Rogers, Eliot, Briscoe, Bradley, Mix, Wilmot, Pritchard, Mew, Stone, Sparke, Bayley, Bailey, Redfield, Redfin, Howland, Tilley, Sturgis, Hinckley, Kirk, Norton, Gerard, and many more...

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It always does. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Beth Blackmon via [email protected] I could be wrong (ironic emoticon?) but I think it has to do with money.... Mary Beth Blackmon Troy, New York 12180 www.blackmonstudio.co <http://www.blackmonstudio.com>*m* www.dailypaintworks.com/Artists/bob-blackmon-4057 On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Joanne Novarro via <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently noticed that also. I can't access cemetery records anymore. > > Joanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of ancestree via > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NY-IRISH] ancestry.com > > Speaking of ancestry, does anyone know when they changed the subscriptions > so that you now have to have the new highest tier in order to access > military info? I've had a world subscription for a few years and just > recently found the change. I know I've been able to view draft > registrations > in the past but now I have to go from my World subscription to the new > tier. > > Kathy > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Someone who contacted me thru Ancestry--and turned out to be a distant relative--became very suspicious of me because she said my Ancestry profile showed that I had not logged in for over six months. In fact, I am on Ancestry almost every day (shouldn't admit it). Clearly that info on the profile is incorrect. Another hot topic is whether to keep your tree private or public. There are arguments on both sides but I kept mine private because I could see a cousin's tree's info being added to people who were no relation to us--and it was info I gave her--photos etc. Very annoying. Plus there is a privacy concern. Ancestry doesn't show living people but if your parent died, the obit often shows the whole clan and where they live. Many people have contacted me thru Ancestry and I always reply--and I have done the same for many others. Lastly, a private tree lets me speculate freely. I always write 'just a guess' but it's amazing how people don't see/hear that and it is suddenly a 'fact'. Just my two cents. Virginia

You have every legal right to get the package you paid for, for the time of your subscription. Ancestry.com Inc. Corporate Headquarters 360 West 4800 North Provo, UT 84604 Ph 801-705-7000 Fx 801-705-7001 -----Original Message----- From: Joanne Novarro via [email protected] I recently noticed that also. I can't access cemetery records anymore. Joanne

You have every legal right to get the package you paid for, for the time of your subscription. Ancestry.com Inc. Corporate Headquarters 360 West 4800 North Provo, UT 84604 Ph 801-705-7000 Fx 801-705-7001 -----Original Message----- From: ancestree via <[email protected]> To: VLB <[email protected]> Cc: ny-irish <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Sep 12, 2014 11:24 am Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] ancestry.com Not sure I understand what's going on. I tried to open a draft registration the other day and got a message that said I had to subscribe to Fold3 to see it so I called customer service at ancestry and was told that I would have to upgrade to the new higher tier of membership for any military records. But I did just try again to see a draft registration and was able to view it. Needless to say I was not happy that one of the things from my world membership had been taken away but maybe they decided that wasn't right and fixed it. Don't know! Kathy

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I could be wrong (ironic emoticon?) but I think it has to do with money.... Mary Beth Blackmon Troy, New York 12180 www.blackmonstudio.co <http://www.blackmonstudio.com>*m* www.dailypaintworks.com/Artists/bob-blackmon-4057 On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Joanne Novarro via <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently noticed that also. I can't access cemetery records anymore. > > Joanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of ancestree via > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NY-IRISH] ancestry.com > > Speaking of ancestry, does anyone know when they changed the subscriptions > so that you now have to have the new highest tier in order to access > military info? I've had a world subscription for a few years and just > recently found the change. I know I've been able to view draft > registrations > in the past but now I have to go from my World subscription to the new > tier. > > Kathy > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Not sure I understand what's going on. I tried to open a draft registration the other day and got a message that said I had to subscribe to Fold3 to see it so I called customer service at ancestry and was told that I would have to upgrade to the new higher tier of membership for any military records. But I did just try again to see a draft registration and was able to view it. Needless to say I was not happy that one of the things from my world membership had been taken away but maybe they decided that wasn't right and fixed it. Don't know! Kathy On Sep 12, 2014, at 10:44 AM, VLB <[email protected]> wrote: > I just checked various military databases on Ancestry and all was the same. I have a world membership too, fwiw. > Virginia > > From: ancestree via <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:52 AM > Subject: [NY-IRISH] ancestry.com > > Speaking of ancestry, does anyone know when they changed the subscriptions so that you now have to have the new highest tier in order to access military info?

I recently noticed that also. I can't access cemetery records anymore. Joanne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ancestree via Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NY-IRISH] ancestry.com Speaking of ancestry, does anyone know when they changed the subscriptions so that you now have to have the new highest tier in order to access military info? I've had a world subscription for a few years and just recently found the change. I know I've been able to view draft registrations in the past but now I have to go from my World subscription to the new tier. Kathy ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message