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Thanks, Pat. Great and informative post. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Pat Connors via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> To: ny-irish <ny-irish@rootsweb.com>; IRISH-AMERICAN <irish-american@rootsweb.com>; Irish-In-UK-L <Irish-In-UK-L@rootsweb.com>; can-ontario-irish <can-ontario-irish@rootsweb.com>; new-england-irish <new-england-irish@rootsweb.com>; ireland-roll-calls <ireland-roll-calls@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 5:57 pm Subject: [NY-IRISH] While you were away when the lists were down, I started to update the surname registries on my website. The following lists were updated: Albany County: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/ County Armagh: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Armagh/ County Clare: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/clare/ Cornish American Mailing List: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/CornishAmerican/ County Galway: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/galway/ Hudson River Mailing List: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ Ireland: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ Louisburgh, County Mayo Mailing List: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Louisburgh/ Irish in the UK Mailing List: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ Irish American Mailing List: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ I still have many more to update so if you want to add or change any of your data, now is the time to do so, see the instructions at the bottom of the various Surname Registries. REMINDER: If you change your email, remember to make a new submission and put "CHANGE" in the email. I will make the changes and/or additions when I do my next update (a few times a year) -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I started to update the surname registries on my website. The following lists were updated: Albany County: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Albany/ County Armagh: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Armagh/ County Clare: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/clare/ Cornish American Mailing List: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/CornishAmerican/ County Galway: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/galway/ Hudson River Mailing List: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ Ireland: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ Louisburgh, County Mayo Mailing List: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/Louisburgh/ Irish in the UK Mailing List: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ Irish American Mailing List: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ I still have many more to update so if you want to add or change any of your data, now is the time to do so, see the instructions at the bottom of the various Surname Registries. REMINDER: If you change your email, remember to make a new submission and put "CHANGE" in the email. I will make the changes and/or additions when I do my next update (a few times a year) -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

Remember that old adage: "If it looks like a duck, quacks like at duck, walks like a duck...it's a duck?" In this particular case that's UNtrue. This quacking false-advertiser calls itself: LDSGenealogy.com That alone made me a bit suspicious, but you must take a look. Think of it as your laugh for today. You'll see misleading photos of multi-ethnic, happy families that imply the Mormons aka Latter Day Saints aka LDS are behind it. They're not. The present day site, FamilySearch.org is the true, generous work of the Mormons/LDS church. BACKSTORY The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, with members referred to as Mormons, practices re-baptism of the dead...for salvation. Mormons are required to research their ancestral lines, and submit them to their church. This is why the LDS church is the reputed authority of genealogical work. More>https://www.mormon.org/values/family-history What sparked my antennae about the new site is that LDS began shying away from using the term "LDS" online since they emerged with FamilySearch.org. So, don't be mislead by these snake-oil genealogy websites. For Dick Eastman's newsletter to even cited it, makes me wonder whose pumping his gas. Starting out, the basics you need are FamilySearch.org [LDS free], Rootsweb Mailing Lists [LDS free], then Ancestry.com [begun by LDS $]. Your reporter from NY, Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com can't believe Dick asEs Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

At 18-02-16 17:25 -0500, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via wrote: >I remember being surprised at how many men were named Jasper, which was >what I assumed "Jas." was short for! Hi Kathleen, And do you still think that? My first "go-to" every time for {"Jas") would be James. Kind regards Pam Pam Dowling <iregenie@gmx.net> An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ.

Yes, I think Jas. typically stands for James. I just didn't realize that when I first started researching! Kathleen On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Pam Dowling <iregenie@gmx.net> wrote: > At 18-02-16 17:25 -0500, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor via wrote: > > I remember being surprised at how many men were named Jasper, which was > what I assumed "Jas." was short for! > > > Hi Kathleen, > > And do you still think that? My first "go-to" every time for {"Jas") would > be James. > > Kind regards > Pam > > Pam Dowling <iregenie@gmx.net> > An Aussie transplanted to Rotorua, NZ.

This tip is from John Grenham, the dean of Irish genealogy, at a conference I attended.  When searching a name, leave out all the vowels. So Connell would be c*n*l.   Kelly/Kelley would be k*l*y.  Murphy would be m*r*y.  Will you get too many hits?  Yes, but in the crowd you will find people you have not been able to find any other way.  I have had amazing luck this way.  You might like to give it a try. Virginia

Check every possible spelling of the last name.  Names were often misspelled.  Your ancestor may not be listed if he was living with someone else--relative, friend--who was the head of household.  They were very diligent in trying to list every head of household tho they had problems during the Civil War when many are missing for a variety of reasons.   Virginia From: Michael Hamill via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> To: "ny-irish@rootsweb.com" <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:38 AM Subject: [NY-IRISH] City Directories Good morning all - I have a question about 19th c. NY city directories: does anyone know how the information was collected? I have one elusive ancestor in particular who is listed in some but there are gaps, and I wonder what the information-gathering process was. Thanks for any help you can offer - Michael ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my Catholic school in the 1960s we were taught that Mc_ before Ma… was the correct way to alphabetize surnames. Anyone go to secretarial school in the pre-computer age? Margaret > On Feb 18, 2016, at 5:56 PM, ny-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:57:14 -0500 > From: mizscarlettny@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] City Directories > To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <152f6631478-4780-bfa3@webprd-m63.mail.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > Great point, Virginia. > > To add to that, earlier entries for an individual were more likely to be misspelled than later ones. > I came to think that the Know Nothing haters were not accustomed to Irish surnames. For example, > my Daniel O'Connell was first listed as "Daniel O. Connell," as I found him buried in the "C" section. > [Back in Ireland all records are also "C."] > > Just imagine how we Irish fouled up directories with our Mc names. Take McNamara. It can > appear as M'Namara & Mc_Namara & McNamara & Mac- [space or no space]. Publishers > didn't know how to alphabetize us and sometimes Mc names appear before Ma- names. > > Residents paid to be listed in city directories, which may also account for absent names. During the 19c, > women were only listed if widows. When I was inexperienced with NYC directory listings, I was amazed > at the numbers of men who worked in "Laboratories," which is what I thought "Lab" represented. > Then, I searched the abbreviations listed in the beginning pages. > > In NYC, the annual directory came out on May 1st and ran through April 30th of the following year. > May 1st was the official moving day in early Manhattan. You can read about it in the preface > section. > > Trivia: Directories were published as hardcover books. I've used them in NYC & Westchester Co. > > > Barb > > MizScarlettNY@aol.com

It's official! Patrick Ryan Quinn* is the Grand Marshall of the 61st Annual Yonkers St. Patrick's Day Parade on Saturday, March 19th at 1pm at McLean Avenue, west of Bronx River Road following Mass at St. Barnabas High School Chapel (McLean Avenue) Patrick Ryan Quinn is the 33-years-old son of Rosemary Keane and Patrick Liam Quinn. He was raised in Yonkers and his Irish roots are in counties Down, Armagh, Cork, Clare and Westmeath. Quinn was diagnosed with ALS in 2013 and is at the forefront of the ALS [Lou Gehrig's Disease] Ice Bucket Challenge by popularizing the challenge around world. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com

I remember being surprised at how many men were named Jasper, which was what I assumed "Jas." was short for! On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:57 PM, mizscarlettny via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> wrote: > When I was inexperienced with NYC directory listings, I was amazed > at the numbers of men who worked in "Laboratories," which is what I > thought "Lab" represented. > Then, I searched the abbreviations listed in the beginning pages. > > >

Let's not get carried away with title, V. That's just another way to wildcard search, but not successful with names that include many loops when written in script. BTW Ancestry accepts wildcard searching. Barb -----Original Message----- From: VLB via <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> To: IRISH NY <ny-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 18, 2016 5:09 pm Subject: [NY-IRISH] Searching names--a great tip This tip is from John Grenham, the dean of Irish genealogy, at a conference I attended. When searching a name, leave out all the vowels.So Connell would be c*n*l. Kelly/Kelley would be k*l*y. Murphy would be m*r*y. Will you get too many hits? Yes, but in the crowd you will find people you have not been able to find any other way. I have had amazing luck this way. You might like to give it a try.Virginia ====NY-Irish Mailing List====Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Great point, Virginia. To add to that, earlier entries for an individual were more likely to be misspelled than later ones. I came to think that the Know Nothing haters were not accustomed to Irish surnames. For example, my Daniel O'Connell was first listed as "Daniel O. Connell," as I found him buried in the "C" section. [Back in Ireland all records are also "C."] Just imagine how we Irish fouled up directories with our Mc names. Take McNamara. It can appear as M'Namara & Mc_Namara & McNamara & Mac- [space or no space]. Publishers didn't know how to alphabetize us and sometimes Mc names appear before Ma- names. Residents paid to be listed in city directories, which may also account for absent names. During the 19c, women were only listed if widows. When I was inexperienced with NYC directory listings, I was amazed at the numbers of men who worked in "Laboratories," which is what I thought "Lab" represented. Then, I searched the abbreviations listed in the beginning pages. In NYC, the annual directory came out on May 1st and ran through April 30th of the following year. May 1st was the official moving day in early Manhattan. You can read about it in the preface section. Trivia: Directories were published as hardcover books. I've used them in NYC & Westchester Co. Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: VLB via <vlbcfb@yahoo.com; Check every possible spelling of the last name. Names were often misspelled. Your ancestor may not be listed if he was living with someone else--relative, friend--who was the head of household. They were very diligent in trying to list every head of household tho they had problems during the Civil War when many are missing for a variety of reasons. Virginia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Hamill ..mhamill44@comcast.net, Good morning all - I have a question about 19th c. NY city directories: does anyone know how the information was collected? I have one elusive ancestor in particular who is listed in some but there are gaps, and I wonder what the information-gathering process was. Thanks for any help you can offer - Michael

Before computers came on the scene it was common practice to list the names that began with Mc or Mac to be merged and in a separate section from the other M names. It was helpful, making it quicker to search for such names. Computers weren't able to handle that, so Mc and Mac joined the other Ms and now we have to search for both options separately! -----Original Message----- From: mizscarlettny via Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 1:57 PM To: ny-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] City Directories Great point, Virginia. Just imagine how we Irish fouled up directories with our Mc names. Take McNamara. It can appear as M'Namara & Mc_Namara & McNamara & Mac- [space or no space]. Publishers didn't know how to alphabetize us and sometimes Mc names appear before Ma- names.

Great idea, Val, thanks for sharing. This tip is from John Grenham, the dean of Irish genealogy, at a conference > I attended. > When searching a name, leave out all the vowels. > So Connell would be c*n*l. Kelly/Kelley would be k*l*y. Murphy would be > m*r*y. > Will you get too many hits? Yes, but in the crowd you will find people > you have not been able to find any other way. I have had amazing luck this > way. You might like to give it a try. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

Good morning all - I have a question about 19th c. NY city directories: does anyone know how the information was collected? I have one elusive ancestor in particular who is listed in some but there are gaps, and I wonder what the information-gathering process was. Thanks for any help you can offer - Michael

Wow--very interesting.  John Quincy Adams was a great man--gutsy and honest. Glad there is a photo.  And interesting info re Matthew Brady--what contributions to our history. thanks for this, Virginia From: "mizscarlettny@aol.com" <mizscarlettny@aol.com> To: NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com; nywestch@rootsweb.com; nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com; NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 8:12 PM Subject: OLDEST (Surviving) US PRESIDENT'S PHOTO Historians and genealogists seem to love those superlatives...first, oldest, best, highest, most expensive. Can you guess which U.S. president's photo is the oldest surviving photo of a "sitting" president? We're not talking painted portraits...photographs. My guess would have been Lincoln, due to the abundance of U.S. Civil War photographs and carte-de-visite* (a pre Linked-In visting card) that gained popularity that era. This daguerreotype of 11th U.S. president James K. Polk, dated February 14, 1849 is the oldest surviving. http://i1.wp.com/www.historybyzim.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Polk-e1363191811654.jpg However, William Henry Harrison #9 was the first photographed U.S. president, while in office. Yet, a photo of John Quincy Adams, U.S. #6 exists from 1843.>>> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/02/the-oldest-known-photographs-of-a-us-president/272872/ The photographer? None other than Matthew Brady, who opened his first studio in NYC in 1844. His second studio was walking distance from today's NYC Municipal Archives. Brady died in NYC in 1896, in debt. He thought the government would purchase the thousands of plates to his photographs, but that never happened.  *MORE: Carte-de-viste images>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carte_de_visite Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com .

Historians and genealogists seem to love those superlatives...first, oldest, best, highest, most expensive. Can you guess which U.S. president's photo is the oldest surviving photo of a "sitting" president? We're not talking painted portraits...photographs. My guess would have been Lincoln, due to the abundance of U.S. Civil War photographs and carte-de-visite* (a pre Linked-In visting card) that gained popularity that era. This daguerreotype of 11th U.S. president James K. Polk, dated February 14, 1849 is the oldest surviving. http://i1.wp.com/www.historybyzim.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Polk-e1363191811654.jpg However, William Henry Harrison #9 was the first photographed U.S. president, while in office. Yet, a photo of John Quincy Adams, U.S. #6 exists from 1843.>>> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/02/the-oldest-known-photographs-of-a-us-president/272872/ The photographer? None other than Matthew Brady, who opened his first studio in NYC in 1844. His second studio was walking distance from today's NYC Municipal Archives. Brady died in NYC in 1896, in debt. He thought the government would purchase the thousands of plates to his photographs, but that never happened. *MORE: Carte-de-viste images>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carte_de_visite Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com .

Getcher popcorn ready, Folks! Tonight, Dr. Henry Louis Gates, Jr. moderates Season 3, Episode 9 of "Finding Your Roots" 8pm eastern, on PBS Theme: Family Reunions Focus Celebs: LL COOL J, Sean Combs Barb MizScarlettNY@aol.com