**********CORRECTED MESSAGE************** Seeking information on NOAH SHARP SCHUYLER, born 1852, Mountainville, NJ... Was a Sawyer, (Sawmill) by trade. Had nickname of "Quarter Inch Schuyler." To our knowledge he was not connected to "THE" Schuyler, of Albany. Only information that I have on him is that he "Went West." Probably about 1870-1875. I just found that his brother went to NY State,County not known. He was also in the lumber business. Any help appreciated...Thanks. Dick Carter rcar37@prodigy.net

Seeking information on a Peter BINGHAM, born about 1913, died about 1939. Was being treated for Hodgkin's disease, in NYC, when he died. Donated his body to science... Trying to find out where, when, etc. Is there a "Clearing house" for such occurrences? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Dick Carter rcar37@prodigy.net

Seeking information on NOAH SHARP SCHUYLER, born 1852, Mountainville, NJ... Was a Sawyer, (Sawmill) by trade. Had nickname of "Quarter Inch Schuyler." Only information that I have on him is that he "Went West." Probably about 1870-1875. I just found that his brother went to NY State,County not known.He was also in the lumber business. Any help appreciated...Thanks. Dick Carter rcar37@prodigy.net

Thank you Karin for telling us about this theft. Fortunately I wasn't a victim. Mary

I checked into the hotel in DC this afternoon and downloaded my email and there were 8 (eight) klez virus messages with NY Irish, NY Roll Call and NY HudsonRv as return addressees so I would guess that someone who has been on all three lists has the Klez virus and either doesn't know it or doesn't care that their computer is sending out virus loaded messages to everyone in their address book...usually I don't get too annoyed but I am paying 10 cents a minute to be on line and everytime my mail program hits upon a virus message, I have to deal with my Norton dialog box and that slows down the whole download process and costs me more money. So, please, scan your computers and find out if you have any viruses and then deal with them. If you have questions, I will be happy to answer them off list, but may take a day or two to get back to you, depending how often I get on line while on my trip. Thanks for your cooperation. -- Pat Connors, visiting Washington DC, listowner Professional Genealogy Researcher http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free. Scanned by Norton 2002.

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I believe they were meant for two different purposes. Topozone is based on USGS topographic maps - it makes sense that it would be better for locating cemeteries or other features using latitude and longitude. TIGER is based on street addresses. From and to street addresses for every street segment allow other addresses to be located in relation to street segments (called topological encoding). TIGER was designed to work with features that can be located by street address - a function that cannot be done with the topographic maps. If you want the computer to give you directions from 123 Main Street to 456 Maple Avenue, you'd need to use TIGER files or some variation. The topographic maps don't have any topology other than latitude and longitude. Chris Andrle ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam@sampubco.com> To: <NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [HudsonRV] Re: Mapquest, etc. > Tiger stinks compared to Topozone now listed first by US Geological Survey's > > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form > > The link to Topozone is very recent - about 2 months ago. Best that > ever happened. > > With that, I was able to report more cemeteries not previous listed. > The requirement is that you use GPS and supply the longitude and > latitude locations to them. Take about 2 weeks to check and update. > > David Samuelsen > > Chris Andrle wrote: > > Both Expedia and MapQuest use the US Census Bureau's TIGER (Topologically > > Integrated Geographic Encoding and Referencing) map files to produce their > > maps. The TIGER files contain errors because the Census Bureau did not have > > funding to correct them beyond their immediate need which was to facilitate > > census taking. Some companies make their own corrections to the census data, > > others use them as is. > > > > Chris Andrle > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <SwimBails@aol.com> > > To: <NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [HudsonRV] Re: Mapquest, etc. > > > > > > > >>I don't know where Expedia and Mapquest get their maps from but i have > > > > heard > > > >>that the major map makers make small errors each year as a way to > > > > copyright > > > >>their products. If the errors show up in something that is sold, they > > > > sue. > > > >>Usually they take some very small street (like North St.in North Albany) > > > > and > > > >>either move it or wipe it out completely. > >> > >>One year, our little one block dead-end street was wiped out by Rand > > > > McNalley > > > >>and we had an awful time with deliveries of UPS, pizza and other things > > > > for > > > >>one year. > >>Then they picked on someone else. :-( > >> > >>Perhaps this is what happened to you, Katherine. > >> > >>Jean > >> > >>In a message dated 8/5/03 11:08:52 AM, kgb2@centurytel.net writes: > >> > >><< I don't know about Expedia, as I have never used them, but Mapquest > > > > places > > > >>the house that I presently live > >>in about 10 miles from its actual location, and on a completely different > >>road. > >>Kathryn >> > >> > >> > >>==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== > >>The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website > >>http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ > >>Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== > > The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ > > Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. > > > > > > > > > > ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== > The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ > Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. > >

After reading Jim Brady's letter re: the Hoboken Potters Field and Cemetery, I guess I will never know if the twins born to my Greatgrandparents were buried there. My GrGrand parents immigrated in 1878 and settled in Hoboken for a period of about 5 years. During that time my grandmother and granduncle were born as well as the twins who did not live very long, less than one year. This family was poor and probably had no means to pay for a proper burial for the twins. Oh well, another link to the past lost. I have been trying to find the Hoboken city directories for that period too as I understand that the family ran a boarding house and saloon in Hoboken too. Thank you New Jersey. Judy Christopher ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> To: <NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: [HudsonRV] Hoboken Cemetery - A startling find at cemetery halts reburial > I tried to send this to the list directly from the newspaper, but that > didn't seem to work. With my comments it's a little long, but still very > interesting. At least, in my opinion. > Bergen Record, Hackensack, NJ > by Pat R. Gilbert > http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkzJmZnYmVsN2Y3 > dnFlZUVFeXk2NDExNDE5JnlyaXJ5N2Y3MTdmN3ZxZWVFRXl5Mg== > A Startling Find at Cemetery Halts Reburial > The irony is impossible to ignore. > The remains of thousands of people placed in a potter's field near the New > Jersey Turnpike were supposed to get a proper burial this summer in a nearby > cemetery. > But no longer. The reason: Hundreds of random pieces of bones and skulls > have now been found in the exact spot where the remains were going. > "I just can't believe this is happening," said turnpike spokesman Joseph > Orlando. "We went out of our way to show care and respect for the graves at > the potter's field; we're paying the cemetery to reinter these people, and > now we find there are people being dug up there." > For now, the remains of about 3,100 people from the potter's field sit in > their white cardboard boxes in a makeshift morgue just down the road from > the Secaucus Transfer rail station. The plan was to truck the remains out to > Hoboken Cemetery in North Bergen, where they would be reburied in about > three weeks. > "It just boggles the mind," Orlando said. "They [the cemetery] said they had > no record of anyone being buried there. I don't know if that's supposed to > make us feel better or worse." > Turnpike officials want their $150,000 back from the cemetery. They'll meet > with the state Cemetery Board and lawyers for the cemetery Friday to sort > out the mess - the latest bizarre twist in their efforts to build a looping > $235 million interchange between Exits 15E and 16E. > It's not clear exactly what else lies beneath the 2,430-square-foot spot > reserved for the potter's field bodies. The crowded cemetery is largely a > weed-covered affair with several toppled headstones. A shopping cart sat on > the lumpy ground near the turnpike's plot Wednesday, and one side of the > space sits smack up against the back of a neglected brick kitchen supply > store. > The cemetery has a history of troubles that prompted a 1987 investigation by > the state Attorney General's Office into allegations of embezzlement and > gross neglect by the former superintendent and trustees. Since then, a > court-appointed receiver has been in charge, with a management company > overseeing maintenance. > George Dougherty, a lawyer representing receiver Marion Yovan, said no one > was trying to pull a fast one with the turnpike. "It's just not possible > they would have done this deliberately," he said of the management company. > "Everything was done with good intentions," Dougherty said. "The cemetery > has no record of there ever being a burial in this section." > He said that burials date back to 1858, and that it's "not unusual" to find > a "mature" cemetery with records that are not accurate. > Meanwhile, state officials are flabbergasted. > The saga of Exit 15X began two years ago when the turnpike discovered the > four-acre potter's field in Secaucus as they prepared to build the new > interchange, which is expected to be open by 2005. Between 1920 and 1962, > the bodies of the poor, criminals, and the insane housed in nearby > institutions had been buried in narrow grave shafts on top of one another. > In February, the Turnpike Authority began a $5.5 million effort to disinter > and rebury the bodies in a proper cemetery. It is believed to be the single > largest exhumation in the nation's history. > About three months ago, the Hoboken Cemetery began to make room for the > first of 100 roughly 9-foot-high concrete vaults that would be lowered into > the ground. So far, 34 vaults have been installed. Containers with the > remains were supposed to go inside them after they were completed. > Then the trouble started. Maybe it was the heavy rains. No one's really > sure. > But when the turnpike's archaeologists visited the site, they found other > human remains right where the vaults were. > "The management company had already dug the vaults and put them in the > ground, and we don't know why, but we started finding bones," said John M. > Keller, the turnpike's assistant supervising engineer. "Some of them were a > foot long, others were an inch. A few were right on top of the vaults where > they had extra dirt." > Keller said he saw a piece of a skull about the size of half of a softball. > There were 256 pieces of bone in all, "without doing any kind of sifting. > This is just what you could pick up off the top of the ground." > A former cemetery worker thinks he knows where the bodies came from. The > man, who declined to be identified, said he believes the cemetery had its > own potter's field at the site where the vaults now sit. > Dougherty said he hadn't heard that, but suspects the bones and other > artifacts - including an old shoe and a piece of clunky metal - were part of > excavated dirt at the cemetery that was moved to that location. > "When you consider the amount of excavation done, it's a relatively small > representation of actual bone and a few other things came up with it," > Dougherty said. "You may not be intruding on regular graves, but maybe > redigging an area of discarded material." > But turnpike officials say that is not acceptable, and they plan to choose > another cemetery. They said they selected Hoboken Cemetery in the first > place because it was the only one in Hudson County to pledge that the area > was "free of any prior burials," according to the contract, which is signed > by Yovan. > "It's 256 pieces of remains," Keller said. "We can't say if it's 20 people > or two. We just know that one person is a problem." > > As a postscript to this article, there are several genealogists, including > this one, who are well aware that the Hoboken Cemetery's records were bad. > In fact, they were also unavailable. > > I visited the cemetery back in 1985 looking for my 2great-grandfather and > two of his grandchildren. Death certificates issued for the three of them > from the City of Hoboken cited Hoboken Cemetery as the place of interment. > The cemetery super told me I couldn't look at the cemetery's records because > they were in bad shape, but for $50.00 per hour he would look for me. He was > dismissive and perhaps hostile. I said no thanks and looked for the > gravestones on my own. > > When I got home I called the NJ State Cemetery Board. They said that was > unreasonable and improper. Emboldened, I returned to the cemetery and the > super apologized after I mentioned my conversation with the Board. He > explained that the records really were terrible and that he used the > research bit to dissuade people who wouldn't give up. Not wanting to press > the point further I accepted his offer of a brief tour in place of the > records. I was trying to get a sense of where to look in the cemetery for > the gravestones I wanted. North of the main cemetery road were many > gravestones. Lots of the plots were untended. South of the road I noticed a > large open area with a lone cross. The ground was dimpled like a very large > golfball and there were signs that the whole area had been overturned not > all that long ago. I said, "What's that area?" He said, "sweet soil," and > then went on to explain that it was a municipal potter's field for Hoboken > that was periodically plowed under to allow for more burials. He went on to > explain further that if the people that I was looking for were there - that > it was a lost cause. The records for that area were missing and headstones, > if any, were plowed under. > > I never did find what I was looking for. Several other people have told of > similar stories. > > Some of us have speculated, considering Hudson County's rich and long > tradition of political patronage and graft, that the bad records may have > been intentional. I can just imagine a former cemetery superintendent > re-selling burial plots and dumping the bodies in the potter's field. > > In my case, the existing records, like the census, seem to indicate that the > family should have been able to afford a proper burial. I guess I'll never > know. And it looks like some things haven't changed at Hoboken Cemetery. Oh, > we didn't know somebody was down there already! If I had to guess - I think > I'd say that there were hundreds of bodies already interred where the > Turnpike Authority hoped to rebury the dis-interred remains from their own > potter's field. > > I hope the cemetery didn't truck out of the confines of the cemetery any of > the dirt displaced by the new concrete burial vaults. > > Jim Brady > brady.j@att.net > > > ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== > The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ > Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. > >

I tried to send this to the list directly from the newspaper, but that didn't seem to work. With my comments it's a little long, but still very interesting. At least, in my opinion. Bergen Record, Hackensack, NJ by Pat R. Gilbert http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkzJmZnYmVsN2Y3 dnFlZUVFeXk2NDExNDE5JnlyaXJ5N2Y3MTdmN3ZxZWVFRXl5Mg== A Startling Find at Cemetery Halts Reburial The irony is impossible to ignore. The remains of thousands of people placed in a potter's field near the New Jersey Turnpike were supposed to get a proper burial this summer in a nearby cemetery. But no longer. The reason: Hundreds of random pieces of bones and skulls have now been found in the exact spot where the remains were going. "I just can't believe this is happening," said turnpike spokesman Joseph Orlando. "We went out of our way to show care and respect for the graves at the potter's field; we're paying the cemetery to reinter these people, and now we find there are people being dug up there." For now, the remains of about 3,100 people from the potter's field sit in their white cardboard boxes in a makeshift morgue just down the road from the Secaucus Transfer rail station. The plan was to truck the remains out to Hoboken Cemetery in North Bergen, where they would be reburied in about three weeks. "It just boggles the mind," Orlando said. "They [the cemetery] said they had no record of anyone being buried there. I don't know if that's supposed to make us feel better or worse." Turnpike officials want their $150,000 back from the cemetery. They'll meet with the state Cemetery Board and lawyers for the cemetery Friday to sort out the mess - the latest bizarre twist in their efforts to build a looping $235 million interchange between Exits 15E and 16E. It's not clear exactly what else lies beneath the 2,430-square-foot spot reserved for the potter's field bodies. The crowded cemetery is largely a weed-covered affair with several toppled headstones. A shopping cart sat on the lumpy ground near the turnpike's plot Wednesday, and one side of the space sits smack up against the back of a neglected brick kitchen supply store. The cemetery has a history of troubles that prompted a 1987 investigation by the state Attorney General's Office into allegations of embezzlement and gross neglect by the former superintendent and trustees. Since then, a court-appointed receiver has been in charge, with a management company overseeing maintenance. George Dougherty, a lawyer representing receiver Marion Yovan, said no one was trying to pull a fast one with the turnpike. "It's just not possible they would have done this deliberately," he said of the management company. "Everything was done with good intentions," Dougherty said. "The cemetery has no record of there ever being a burial in this section." He said that burials date back to 1858, and that it's "not unusual" to find a "mature" cemetery with records that are not accurate. Meanwhile, state officials are flabbergasted. The saga of Exit 15X began two years ago when the turnpike discovered the four-acre potter's field in Secaucus as they prepared to build the new interchange, which is expected to be open by 2005. Between 1920 and 1962, the bodies of the poor, criminals, and the insane housed in nearby institutions had been buried in narrow grave shafts on top of one another. In February, the Turnpike Authority began a $5.5 million effort to disinter and rebury the bodies in a proper cemetery. It is believed to be the single largest exhumation in the nation's history. About three months ago, the Hoboken Cemetery began to make room for the first of 100 roughly 9-foot-high concrete vaults that would be lowered into the ground. So far, 34 vaults have been installed. Containers with the remains were supposed to go inside them after they were completed. Then the trouble started. Maybe it was the heavy rains. No one's really sure. But when the turnpike's archaeologists visited the site, they found other human remains right where the vaults were. "The management company had already dug the vaults and put them in the ground, and we don't know why, but we started finding bones," said John M. Keller, the turnpike's assistant supervising engineer. "Some of them were a foot long, others were an inch. A few were right on top of the vaults where they had extra dirt." Keller said he saw a piece of a skull about the size of half of a softball. There were 256 pieces of bone in all, "without doing any kind of sifting. This is just what you could pick up off the top of the ground." A former cemetery worker thinks he knows where the bodies came from. The man, who declined to be identified, said he believes the cemetery had its own potter's field at the site where the vaults now sit. Dougherty said he hadn't heard that, but suspects the bones and other artifacts - including an old shoe and a piece of clunky metal - were part of excavated dirt at the cemetery that was moved to that location. "When you consider the amount of excavation done, it's a relatively small representation of actual bone and a few other things came up with it," Dougherty said. "You may not be intruding on regular graves, but maybe redigging an area of discarded material." But turnpike officials say that is not acceptable, and they plan to choose another cemetery. They said they selected Hoboken Cemetery in the first place because it was the only one in Hudson County to pledge that the area was "free of any prior burials," according to the contract, which is signed by Yovan. "It's 256 pieces of remains," Keller said. "We can't say if it's 20 people or two. We just know that one person is a problem." As a postscript to this article, there are several genealogists, including this one, who are well aware that the Hoboken Cemetery's records were bad. In fact, they were also unavailable. I visited the cemetery back in 1985 looking for my 2great-grandfather and two of his grandchildren. Death certificates issued for the three of them from the City of Hoboken cited Hoboken Cemetery as the place of interment. The cemetery super told me I couldn't look at the cemetery's records because they were in bad shape, but for $50.00 per hour he would look for me. He was dismissive and perhaps hostile. I said no thanks and looked for the gravestones on my own. When I got home I called the NJ State Cemetery Board. They said that was unreasonable and improper. Emboldened, I returned to the cemetery and the super apologized after I mentioned my conversation with the Board. He explained that the records really were terrible and that he used the research bit to dissuade people who wouldn't give up. Not wanting to press the point further I accepted his offer of a brief tour in place of the records. I was trying to get a sense of where to look in the cemetery for the gravestones I wanted. North of the main cemetery road were many gravestones. Lots of the plots were untended. South of the road I noticed a large open area with a lone cross. The ground was dimpled like a very large golfball and there were signs that the whole area had been overturned not all that long ago. I said, "What's that area?" He said, "sweet soil," and then went on to explain that it was a municipal potter's field for Hoboken that was periodically plowed under to allow for more burials. He went on to explain further that if the people that I was looking for were there - that it was a lost cause. The records for that area were missing and headstones, if any, were plowed under. I never did find what I was looking for. Several other people have told of similar stories. Some of us have speculated, considering Hudson County's rich and long tradition of political patronage and graft, that the bad records may have been intentional. I can just imagine a former cemetery superintendent re-selling burial plots and dumping the bodies in the potter's field. In my case, the existing records, like the census, seem to indicate that the family should have been able to afford a proper burial. I guess I'll never know. And it looks like some things haven't changed at Hoboken Cemetery. Oh, we didn't know somebody was down there already! If I had to guess - I think I'd say that there were hundreds of bodies already interred where the Turnpike Authority hoped to rebury the dis-interred remains from their own potter's field. I hope the cemetery didn't truck out of the confines of the cemetery any of the dirt displaced by the new concrete burial vaults. Jim Brady brady.j@att.net

The following message was put on the Albany rootsweb site by David Stott Dateline Iowa By Register News Services CEDAR RAPIDS Web site owner charged with ID theft A man was charged Friday with identity theft and money laundering after a police investigation into two genealogy Web sites he ran. Elias Abodeely II operated the Web sites FamilyDiscovery.com and Genseekers.com from his home. Abodeely would take e-mail addresses of people who posted to the sites' forum pages, then send the victims an offer to become a member of the Web site for a fee of $19.99 to $59.99. The offer led victims to believe they had a five-day free trial period, but they were unable to cancel their memberships. Their accounts were already debited the fee amount. Cedar Rapids police arrested Abodeely after a two-year investigation into the genealogy Web site. He also faces theft and ongoing criminal conduct charges. Police said the investigation continues, and they expect additional suspects to be charged. Hope none of you fell for this one. Have a wonderful day Karin searching for BROWN GARRISON PORTER FLORANCE LAMOREAUX FINCH BEERS HOUGHTAILING RICH FRINK LOW BAILEY in NY http://community.webtv.net/JayFamNY/EarlyAmerican

--WebTV-Mail-16194-1032 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Sam & Jim--I think we are all correct! We sent our mail orders way back when to Albany, the store was in Menands, it had at least 7 floors, and was a complete department store as well as a distribution point. I think they went to Chicago after closing the store operations there. It was a great place to visit--lots of items not found in one's local stores or the big and sale catalogs. Nina Searching: SWIM, GINNER/GINGER, PIANO, BUTLER; PAVEK, DREW, CURRY, VOUGHT; BRUSH, BAILEY, RYERSON, WEYANT; Orange County, NY http://community.webtv.net/grannycatz/MYSWIMMINGPOOL --WebTV-Mail-16194-1032 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net (172.16.213.124) by storefull-2334.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.41]) by smtpin-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id E447FFE35; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id h771dimi020475; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:39:44 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:39:44 -0600 Message-Id: <200308070139.h771dimi020475@lists5.rootsweb.com> From: NY-HUDSONRV-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: NY-HUDSONRV-D Digest V03 #105 X-Loop: NY-HUDSONRV-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <NY-HUDSONRV-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume03/105 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: NY-HUDSONRV-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain NY-HUDSONRV-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 105 Today's Topics: #1 [HudsonRV] Re: NY-HUDSONRV-D Diges [grannycatz@webtv.net (nina brush)] #2 RE: [HudsonRV] Re: NY-HUDSONRV-D D ["James Brady" <brady.j@att.net>] #3 Re: [HudsonRV] Re: Mapquest, etc. [SwimBails@aol.com] #4 Re: [HudsonRV] Re: NY-HUDSONRV-D D ["S. Ferguson" <samf1@ghg.net>] #5 Re: [HudsonRV] Re: Mapquest, etc. ["Chris Andrle" <chris@andrle.com>] Administrivia: Please visit the following URL to review the guidelines for subscribing/unsubscribing, etc. to the list: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ To contact the NY-HUDSONRV-D list administrator, send mail to NY-HUDSONRV-admin@rootsweb.com. ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #1 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:26:55 -0400 (EDT) From: grannycatz@webtv.net (nina brush) To: NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <26515-3F30595F-1755@storefull-2331.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: [HudsonRV] Re: NY-HUDSONRV-D Digest V03 #104 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Does anyone remember that Menands was the home and main offices of Montgomery Ward, the big mail-order company, back in the 30s and 40s? Just beyond the northern border of Albany. Nina ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #2 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:18:10 -0400 From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> To: NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000001c35bd1$ecf99d20$5a52590c@its-temp1.worldnet.att.net> Subject: RE: [HudsonRV] Re: NY-HUDSONRV-D Digest V03 #104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nina, Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember those Montgomery Ward's catalogs as showing the home office in Chicago. Did they have a regional warehouse operation or something in Menands? I do seem to remember seeing a very large warehouse-type building near Albnay Rural Cemetery when I visited last year. Jim -----Original Message----- From: nina brush [mailto:grannycatz@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:27 PM To: NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HudsonRV] Re: NY-HUDSONRV-D Digest V03 #104 Does anyone remember that Menands was the home and main offices of Montgomery Ward, the big mail-order company, back in the 30s and 40s? Just beyond the northern border of Albany. Nina ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #3 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:50:00 EDT From: SwimBails@aol.com To: NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <91.3162b5da.2c627da8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [HudsonRV] Re: Mapquest, etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know where Expedia and Mapquest get their maps from but i have heard that the major map makers make small errors each year as a way to copyright their products. If the errors show up in something that is sold, they sue. Usually they take some very small street (like North St.in North Albany) and either move it or wipe it out completely. One year, our little one block dead-end street was wiped out by Rand McNalley and we had an awful time with deliveries of UPS, pizza and other things for one year. Then they picked on someone else. :-( Perhaps this is what happened to you, Katherine. Jean In a message dated 8/5/03 11:08:52 AM, kgb2@centurytel.net writes: << I don't know about Expedia, as I have never used them, but Mapquest places the house that I presently live in about 10 miles from its actual location, and on a completely different road. Kathryn >> ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #4 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:44:51 -0500 From: "S. Ferguson" <samf1@ghg.net> To: NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3F313E93.8AC97DB@ghg.net> Subject: Re: [HudsonRV] Re: NY-HUDSONRV-D Digest V03 #104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was a regional distribution facility. A 7 story store (as I recall), with a catalog order counter on each floor. You could place a catalog order at the desk, shop around for a few minutes, and then pick up the order. Sam James Brady wrote: > > Nina, > > Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember those Montgomery Ward's catalogs as showing > the home office in Chicago. Did they have a regional warehouse operation or > something in Menands? I do seem to remember seeing a very large > warehouse-type building near Albnay Rural Cemetery when I visited last year. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: nina brush [mailto:grannycatz@webtv.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:27 PM > To: NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HudsonRV] Re: NY-HUDSONRV-D Digest V03 #104 > > Does anyone remember that Menands was the home and main offices of > Montgomery Ward, the big mail-order company, back in the 30s and 40s? > Just beyond the northern border of Albany. Nina > > ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== > The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ > Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. > > ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== > The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ > Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #5 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:42:06 -0400 From: "Chris Andrle" <chris@andrle.com> To: NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <012a01c35c85$1c89bb20$2b2bfea9@chrissq7uvv1g7> Subject: Re: [HudsonRV] Re: Mapquest, etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Both Expedia and MapQuest use the US Census Bureau's TIGER (Topologically Integrated Geographic Encoding and Referencing) map files to produce their maps. The TIGER files contain errors because the Census Bureau did not have funding to correct them beyond their immediate need which was to facilitate census taking. Some companies make their own corrections to the census data, others use them as is. Chris Andrle ----- Original Message ----- From: <SwimBails@aol.com> To: <NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [HudsonRV] Re: Mapquest, etc. > I don't know where Expedia and Mapquest get their maps from but i have heard > that the major map makers make small errors each year as a way to copyright > their products. If the errors show up in something that is sold, they sue. > Usually they take some very small street (like North St.in North Albany) and > either move it or wipe it out completely. > > One year, our little one block dead-end street was wiped out by Rand McNalley > and we had an awful time with deliveries of UPS, pizza and other things for > one year. > Then they picked on someone else. :-( > > Perhaps this is what happened to you, Katherine. > > Jean > > In a message dated 8/5/03 11:08:52 AM, kgb2@centurytel.net writes: > > << I don't know about Expedia, as I have never used them, but Mapquest places > the house that I presently live > in about 10 miles from its actual location, and on a completely different > road. > Kathryn >> > > > ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== > The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ > Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. > > -------------------------------- End of NY-HUDSONRV-D Digest V03 Issue #105 ****************************************** --WebTV-Mail-16194-1032--

I certainly remember it in Menands, when I was at NY State College for Teachers (as it was called then). I never worked there myself, but a lot of students had part time jobs there, including my husband-to-be. This was 1941-44. I worked in Albany Hospital as a nurse's aid. Almost all of us were poor kids so we worked our way thru college. Jean Chapman Snow

Tiger stinks compared to Topozone now listed first by US Geological Survey's http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form The link to Topozone is very recent - about 2 months ago. Best that ever happened. With that, I was able to report more cemeteries not previous listed. The requirement is that you use GPS and supply the longitude and latitude locations to them. Take about 2 weeks to check and update. David Samuelsen Chris Andrle wrote: > Both Expedia and MapQuest use the US Census Bureau's TIGER (Topologically > Integrated Geographic Encoding and Referencing) map files to produce their > maps. The TIGER files contain errors because the Census Bureau did not have > funding to correct them beyond their immediate need which was to facilitate > census taking. Some companies make their own corrections to the census data, > others use them as is. > > Chris Andrle > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <SwimBails@aol.com> > To: <NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [HudsonRV] Re: Mapquest, etc. > > > >>I don't know where Expedia and Mapquest get their maps from but i have > > heard > >>that the major map makers make small errors each year as a way to > > copyright > >>their products. If the errors show up in something that is sold, they > > sue. > >>Usually they take some very small street (like North St.in North Albany) > > and > >>either move it or wipe it out completely. >> >>One year, our little one block dead-end street was wiped out by Rand > > McNalley > >>and we had an awful time with deliveries of UPS, pizza and other things > > for > >>one year. >>Then they picked on someone else. :-( >> >>Perhaps this is what happened to you, Katherine. >> >>Jean >> >>In a message dated 8/5/03 11:08:52 AM, kgb2@centurytel.net writes: >> >><< I don't know about Expedia, as I have never used them, but Mapquest > > places > >>the house that I presently live >>in about 10 miles from its actual location, and on a completely different >>road. >>Kathryn >> >> >> >>==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== >>The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website >>http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ >>Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. >> >> > > > > > ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== > The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ > Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. > > >

Both Expedia and MapQuest use the US Census Bureau's TIGER (Topologically Integrated Geographic Encoding and Referencing) map files to produce their maps. The TIGER files contain errors because the Census Bureau did not have funding to correct them beyond their immediate need which was to facilitate census taking. Some companies make their own corrections to the census data, others use them as is. Chris Andrle ----- Original Message ----- From: <SwimBails@aol.com> To: <NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [HudsonRV] Re: Mapquest, etc. > I don't know where Expedia and Mapquest get their maps from but i have heard > that the major map makers make small errors each year as a way to copyright > their products. If the errors show up in something that is sold, they sue. > Usually they take some very small street (like North St.in North Albany) and > either move it or wipe it out completely. > > One year, our little one block dead-end street was wiped out by Rand McNalley > and we had an awful time with deliveries of UPS, pizza and other things for > one year. > Then they picked on someone else. :-( > > Perhaps this is what happened to you, Katherine. > > Jean > > In a message dated 8/5/03 11:08:52 AM, kgb2@centurytel.net writes: > > << I don't know about Expedia, as I have never used them, but Mapquest places > the house that I presently live > in about 10 miles from its actual location, and on a completely different > road. > Kathryn >> > > > ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== > The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ > Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. > >

It was a regional distribution facility. A 7 story store (as I recall), with a catalog order counter on each floor. You could place a catalog order at the desk, shop around for a few minutes, and then pick up the order. Sam James Brady wrote: > > Nina, > > Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember those Montgomery Ward's catalogs as showing > the home office in Chicago. Did they have a regional warehouse operation or > something in Menands? I do seem to remember seeing a very large > warehouse-type building near Albnay Rural Cemetery when I visited last year. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: nina brush [mailto:grannycatz@webtv.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:27 PM > To: NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HudsonRV] Re: NY-HUDSONRV-D Digest V03 #104 > > Does anyone remember that Menands was the home and main offices of > Montgomery Ward, the big mail-order company, back in the 30s and 40s? > Just beyond the northern border of Albany. Nina > > ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== > The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ > Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. > > ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== > The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ > Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc.

I don't know where Expedia and Mapquest get their maps from but i have heard that the major map makers make small errors each year as a way to copyright their products. If the errors show up in something that is sold, they sue. Usually they take some very small street (like North St.in North Albany) and either move it or wipe it out completely. One year, our little one block dead-end street was wiped out by Rand McNalley and we had an awful time with deliveries of UPS, pizza and other things for one year. Then they picked on someone else. :-( Perhaps this is what happened to you, Katherine. Jean In a message dated 8/5/03 11:08:52 AM, kgb2@centurytel.net writes: << I don't know about Expedia, as I have never used them, but Mapquest places the house that I presently live in about 10 miles from its actual location, and on a completely different road. Kathryn >>

Nina, Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember those Montgomery Ward's catalogs as showing the home office in Chicago. Did they have a regional warehouse operation or something in Menands? I do seem to remember seeing a very large warehouse-type building near Albnay Rural Cemetery when I visited last year. Jim -----Original Message----- From: nina brush [mailto:grannycatz@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:27 PM To: NY-HUDSONRV-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HudsonRV] Re: NY-HUDSONRV-D Digest V03 #104 Does anyone remember that Menands was the home and main offices of Montgomery Ward, the big mail-order company, back in the 30s and 40s? Just beyond the northern border of Albany. Nina ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc.

Does anyone remember that Menands was the home and main offices of Montgomery Ward, the big mail-order company, back in the 30s and 40s? Just beyond the northern border of Albany. Nina

Bless you honey, ,thank you very much. Lena

Jean, I'd check back for a marriage to a Conroy woman somewhere back in that line! and Lena-- Menands is a suburb just north of the Albany city line. Joy SwimBails@aol.com wrote: > > Something else that surprised me about today's Albany area was that i found a > town > called Conroy not far from Corrallis. James de Vos' grandson was named > William CONROY de Vos!! I guess he was named after the town or the famous person > who the town was named after. Life is full of interesting surprises! :-) > > North Albany looks like a very pleasant area that would be fun to visit. > > Thanks for your help, Joy! > > Jean Bails > > In a message dated 8/4/03 1:16:52 PM, joyweave@erols.com writes: > > << Hi, thought I'd chime in with a current Albany map-- > > There's a North St. almost up by the Menands border. East of Rt. 32 (No. > Pearl St.) and > North of I90, right by the railroad tracks. Don't know if it was there in > the 1800s, but > it looks like the one described below. > > > > Joy > > SwimBails@aol.com wrote: > > >>Marita, > > > {Snip} > >>I think I found North St. by your directions--isn't it the street furthest >>North on the East side of Broadway in North Albany? It is almost but not > > quite > >>a continuation of Third St.? Mapquest did a miserable job with North St. >>Whatever they were showing me was not it and twice a requested zoom > > resulted in > >>an aereal view of Sacramento, CA!! [snip] >> > > > > > ==== NY-HUDSONRV Mailing List ==== > The NY-HudsonRV Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/HudsonRV/ > Site good for unsubbing, changing subscription, archives, links, etc. > > -- Do good with what thou hast, or it will do thee no good. WM PENN Outline trees for: HALLOCK, HEAD, PALMER, SELDEN at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/e/a/Joyce-R-Weaver/ USA (northeast): Burnside, Green, Hallock, Head, Merritt, Morris, Palmer, Selden, Weaver./ CANADA (ON/QC): Brown, Clark, Grant, Weaver./ ENGLAND(Lanc.): Hunt, Wall. POLAND (Krasnik, Zaklikow, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rosenel./ BELARUS (Wisoke-Litovsk, Brest, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner, Greenberg, Petruskitz, Deibach.