The new home for the NY Civil War mailing list has been set up. In a few minutes, I'll send out personal invitations to the subscribers of this list who wish to join the new group will be able to do so. I can not add members directly. It should be a link you can click that will let you 'accept' the invitation to join the new group. You may need to check your spam folder as I can't say when such will be delivered. If you don't find an invitation in your email yo may also go to this site - https://groups.io/g/NEW-YORK-CIVIL-WAR and select Join Group. Of course, folks may still post to this list through 3/1. Tim Stowell

As of now, the ny-civil-war list has 126 subscribers. In light of Rootsweb's decision to close this list and every other list on March 2nd, I have set up a new home for this list. In my next email, I'll send you further information regarding this and how to join the new home for this list. Tim Stowell Chattanooga

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I too am trying to get more information. A letter on file in the National Archives shows that my ancestor Jeremiah Tompkins was on trial for desertion. I can't find the disposition of his case either. "Sir. I have the honor to certify that I have known J. L. Tompkins Co. E. 144th NY. Vol. since August-1862 my first acquaintance being at the town of Andes Delaware County NY. I next saw him in Delhi of the same county at which time he became a member of Company E. 144th NY Vol. and was mustered in to the US Service to serve for the period of three years or during the war. He also remained with the company until February 1863, the regt being stationed at Uptons Hills, VA at the time of his desertion. I also certify that I was a member of Co. E. 144th NY Vol. and saw J. L. Tompkins daily and there is the letter L(?) on his arm above the rist and also that I have this 21st day of Jan. 1865 recognized the said J. L. Tompkins on trial of desertion at the dist. prov. Marsh. office at the cor of 18th and C St. Washington, DC. Respectfully yours Jacob R. Francisco Co. C. 9th Regt. V.R.C." This letter is stamped: Oct. 1902. This paper was formerly filed with the records of the Provost Marshall, Dist. of Columbia, in the Enrolment Div. R. & P. O. The National Archives replied to my query regarding the court martial on March 26, 2002, saying that they conducted an extensive search of the War Department records and did not locate any transcripts or other records of any courts that were held. It did not appear that those materials were ever forwarded to the National Archives by the War Department. It is entirely possible that he was able to supply an acceptable explanation for his actions, and that the government dishonorably discharged him instead of imprisoning him. He may have also satisfied his enlistment in another unit in order to avoid a dishonorable discharge. If he did return home without satisfying his enlistment, according to the person I spoke to at the National Archives, he didn't have a chance of even being elected dog catcher. Desertion was thought of as a pretty serious offense. The National Archives replied to my query regarding pension records on May 8, 2002. They found no record of a pension given to Jeremiah. If he did manage to clear himself of the desertion charge, he still must not have qualified for a pension, or may have died before receiving one. Hope you find help to verify your deserter. Judy -----Original Message----- From: suesaloom via Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:45 AM To: 'NY-CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com' Subject: [NY-CIVIL-WAR] Where a Union deserter might have been sent to prison I am trying to find the end of the story of Asa Stevens who was a private in the 11th CT Infantry and I don't know where to search next. The last I have found on him is from Record Of Service Of Connecticut Men In The Army And Navy Of The United States During The War Of The Rebellion Page 437 'ASA STEVENS of Danbury Oct 24 1861 Dec 16 1961 Sentenced by GCM Dec 28, 1863 for desertion in the face of the enemy to be dishonorably discharged and imprisoned for life. N f.r.A G.O' I think he deserted at the time of Antietam. Thanks for your help. Susan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to find the end of the story of Asa Stevens who was a private in the 11th CT Infantry and I don't know where to search next. The last I have found on him is from Record Of Service Of Connecticut Men In The Army And Navy Of The United States During The War Of The Rebellion Page 437 'ASA STEVENS of Danbury Oct 24 1861 Dec 16 1961 Sentenced by GCM Dec 28, 1863 for desertion in the face of the enemy to be dishonorably discharged and imprisoned for life. N f.r.A G.O' I think he deserted at the time of Antietam. Thanks for your help. Susan

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I forgot to mention that George Gould was in the 2nd NYSV Infantry which was organized by his brother-in-law, then Col. Joseph B Carr. Brad Miter -----Original Message----- From: ny-civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ny-civil-war-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bradford H Miter Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 10:40 AM To: ny-civil-war@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NY-CIVIL-WAR] NY-CIVIL-WAR Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 My GrGrandmother, Julia D GOULD went through a 7-year process to finally obtain a pension that her husband, 1st. Lt. George Gould, had a Service Connected illness which led to his early death in 1875 at age 40. Living in Troy in the 1890's Julia had to obtain affidavits from Doctors and persons who knew him in Seneca, Kansas where they lived at the time of his death. She had an able attorney who apparently stuck with her during the extended process. The pension was granted retroactive to the first date of application and increased from $8 to $50 per month. If anyone would like to read the full transcriptions I made, write to me. The most interesting document is #12 when an investigator clinches the pension for Julia. By Bradford Miter --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

My GrGrandmother, Julia D GOULD went through a 7-year process to finally obtain a pension that her husband, 1st. Lt. George Gould, had a Service Connected illness which led to his early death in 1875 at age 40. Living in Troy in the 1890's Julia had to obtain affidavits from Doctors and persons who knew him in Seneca, Kansas where they lived at the time of his death. She had an able attorney who apparently stuck with her during the extended process. The pension was granted retroactive to the first date of application and increased from $8 to $50 per month. If anyone would like to read the full transcriptions I made, write to me. The most interesting document is #12 when an investigator clinches the pension for Julia. By Bradford Miter ---------------------------------------------- Brief Description of Julia D. Gould Pension Application Documents It is apparent that a number of documents are missing from the pension application files but the narrative in Document #12 is what makes this a truly unique document of the life and death of George Gould. #1 - The first statement of Dr. S. S. Kaysbier. In it he just describes knowing the Gould family. It is apparent it is not what the government is looking for when you read his second statement, Document #3. #2 - This is the statement of the first landlady the family had in Seneca, Kansas, Agnes Smith. She gives a good description of his illness and it appears she has been told what is wanted, probably by Julia's attorney in Washington. #3 - The second statement of Dr. Kaysbier. It is apparent that the attorney has told him what is needed. He gives a full description of the illnesses George Gould has been suffering from and probable cause of death. #4 - John Riley is attempting to establish that George was healthy before he entered the service and returned from the war a chronically ill man. It also purports that he had difficulty working. #5 - Henry B. Danchy is merely stating that Julia Gould was supported by her own labors as a nurse. #6 - L. J. Thierssen is also supporting Julia in stating she has no support other than her nursing. #7 - This is Julia's application for the pension and it states George Gould's service qualifications; that she married George in Lansingburgh N.Y. May 21, 1863; had remained a widow since his death; and that she had no means of support other than her own labor. She was granted an $8 per month pension in 1891. #8 - A request for service information on George Gould from the Bureau of Pensions to the War Department to the War Department in Jan 1891. #9 - A response from the War Department (the same day!) stating the only known information - basically rank and dates of service. It is noteworthy that NO medical records were found. Thus there was no service connected disability pension granted at this time. #10 - A second statement from Henry B. Danchy is obtained in 1893 and it appears that Julia and her attorney are gearing up to substantiate the improved pension. #11 - In 1896 William Kemp asserts that Julia and George were never divorced. There must be additional correspondence with the attorney and possibly a number of documents missing from the Pension Board files. It is now five years after the initial pension. #12 - Finally Julia appeared to have complained long and hard enough that a special examiner, George H. Wills submits the results of his investigation in July 1897. This is the most interesting part of the paperwork and contains all kinds of information: Wills is mainly trying to establish that George was permanently (and fatally) disabled by a Jaundice he contracted in Virginia in 1862. Wills interviews Col. S. W. Park who had commanded the 2nd Regt. after Joseph B. Carr is promoted to command the Brigade of which the regiment is a part. He has no memory of George's illness because Gen. Carr took George with him as his aide-de-camp shortly after he became ill. It is discovered that George's sister, Mary Gould, is married to Maj. General Joseph B. Carr. Mary Carr went to visit General Carr in Virginia in the fall of 1862 and brought Julia D. Wilmer along as a companion. Big question - did Julia and George meet at this time or were they already engaged? They were married May 21, 1863, just after the return of the regiment to Troy where it was disbanded May 26, 1863. (General Carr remained in the army until the war's end and rose to rank of Major-General.) Fortuitously, Mr. Wills had previously discovered from the regimental surgeon that all the medical records for the regiment had burned in 1862, just after George became ill. The surgeon had died in Aug 1890 but apparently had sworn for Julia that George was treated by him in the fall of 1862. This statement is lost. Col. Park appears to have some of the regiment's musters in his possession and finds that an officer from George's company (B) has reported sick at the time everyone says he first became ill. General Carr had sworn in 1890 that George was ill and sick in 1862. Finally, Wills states that he believes everyone is telling the truth and that Julia deserves a full pension. #13 - The last document is the closing down of the $50 per month pension due to the death of Julia D. Gould November 19, 1926. She lived to age 82. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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As I noted in a follow-up to my first post, it looks like Eva's application for a Civil War pension got attached to the wrong soldier--one who served in the Spanish American War and died a week before her Peter Crane. The NY State Archives show Peter Cranes in 107th Infantry, 22nd Cavalry, and 145th Infantry (I understand these are volunteers, and don't include regulars or militias). The Park Service, Fold3, and Familysearch show the 97th Infantry and 22nd Cavalry. Fold3 also shows the one from the 22nd Cavalry died in 1909, which leaves the 97th Infantry (and maybe the 107th and 145th Infantries). I'm new to Civil War research--would people suggest I start with the unit for which I have the most references, the 97th, or go with those in the state archives, which cost only $3 (but I don't know how long they take). Thanks for any advice! Diane -----Original Message----- From: kjbudell <kjbudell@aol.com> To: ny-civil-war <ny-civil-war@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:51 am Subject: Re: [NY-CIVIL-WAR] NY-CIVIL-WAR Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 Please note that the pension office did not just assume that the unit listed by the soldier's survivor on the application was correct -- all claims were sent to the Adjutant General's Office for verifcation of the soldier's service as part of the process. Even Civil War soldiers were died in service were not assumed to be dead; the applicant had to have proof of his death and the pension file can include sympathy letters from officers and affidavits of witnesses who were there. Again, the Adjutant General's Office researched each unit's records for information of the soldier's death on muster rolls. The National Park Service's CIvil War Soldiers and Sailors System database is a free resource online. It is based on what is called the "General Index" at the National Archives which is a collection of transcribed cards capturing information for any name (including misspellings) that appears on any unit's records during the Civil War. -----Original Message----- From: ny-civil-war-request <ny-civil-war-request@rootsweb.com> To: ny-civil-war <ny-civil-war@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:19 am Subject: NY-CIVIL-WAR Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 Today's Topics: 1. NY 2nd Infantry (dlculhane@cs.com) 2. More on NY 2nd Infantry (dlculhane@cs.com) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:08:07 -0500 (EST) rom: dlculhane@cs.com ubject: [NY-CIVIL-WAR] NY 2nd Infantry o: NY-CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <8D0D2E8D2F4D90B-1EB8-521D0@webmail-d221.sysops.aol.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm trying to trace an ancestor whose widow applied for a Civil War pension fter his death in 1924, according to the Civil War Pension Index on Ancestry. va A. Crane said her husband Peter served in the NY 2nd Infantry, but I can't ind him in any on-line listing for that regiment. If fits, however, because he mmigrated to New York in 1860 and married Eva, a Virginian, in Washington, DC, n 1865, as soon as the war ended. Can anyone else find him, or might Eva have been wrong? Diane in Illinois ----------------------------- Message: 2 ate: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 19:04:56 -0500 (EST) rom: dlculhane@cs.com ubject: [NY-CIVIL-WAR] More on NY 2nd Infantry o: NY-CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <8D0D309E797C1CE-BFA4-5218C@webmail-vd021.sysops.aol.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In digging a bit deeper on Fold3, I found a related entry from the Civil War and ater database, for a Peter Crane who fought with the NY 2nd in the panish-American War. The application number is the same for that on Eva's pplication for a Civil War Widow's Pension--1224749, and the certificate number lso agrees--959734. However, the Spanish-American War Peter Crane died in chenectady Sept. 20, 1924, and Eva's Civil War Peter Crane died in Baltimore ug. 1, 1924, age 89. I suspect when she applied for his pension on October 9, he remembered only that he served with a New York Regiment, and whoever rocessed the application pulled the wrong Peter Crane's file. I hope Eva got a ension of some sort--she was 83 years old and lived another 3 years. Diane ----------------------------- To contact the NY-CIVIL-WAR list administrator, send an email to Y-CIVIL-WAR-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the NY-CIVIL-WAR mailing list, send an email to Y-CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com ith the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of he mail with no additional text. nd of NY-CIVIL-WAR Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 ***************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please note that the pension office did not just assume that the unit listed by the soldier's survivor on the application was correct -- all claims were sent to the Adjutant General's Office for verifcation of the soldier's service as part of the process. Even Civil War soldiers were died in service were not assumed to be dead; the applicant had to have proof of his death and the pension file can include sympathy letters from officers and affidavits of witnesses who were there. Again, the Adjutant General's Office researched each unit's records for information of the soldier's death on muster rolls. The National Park Service's CIvil War Soldiers and Sailors System database is a free resource online. It is based on what is called the "General Index" at the National Archives which is a collection of transcribed cards capturing information for any name (including misspellings) that appears on any unit's records during the Civil War. -----Original Message----- From: ny-civil-war-request <ny-civil-war-request@rootsweb.com> To: ny-civil-war <ny-civil-war@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:19 am Subject: NY-CIVIL-WAR Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 Today's Topics: 1. NY 2nd Infantry (dlculhane@cs.com) 2. More on NY 2nd Infantry (dlculhane@cs.com) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:08:07 -0500 (EST) rom: dlculhane@cs.com ubject: [NY-CIVIL-WAR] NY 2nd Infantry o: NY-CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <8D0D2E8D2F4D90B-1EB8-521D0@webmail-d221.sysops.aol.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm trying to trace an ancestor whose widow applied for a Civil War pension fter his death in 1924, according to the Civil War Pension Index on Ancestry. va A. Crane said her husband Peter served in the NY 2nd Infantry, but I can't ind him in any on-line listing for that regiment. If fits, however, because he mmigrated to New York in 1860 and married Eva, a Virginian, in Washington, DC, n 1865, as soon as the war ended. Can anyone else find him, or might Eva have been wrong? Diane in Illinois ----------------------------- Message: 2 ate: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 19:04:56 -0500 (EST) rom: dlculhane@cs.com ubject: [NY-CIVIL-WAR] More on NY 2nd Infantry o: NY-CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <8D0D309E797C1CE-BFA4-5218C@webmail-vd021.sysops.aol.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In digging a bit deeper on Fold3, I found a related entry from the Civil War and ater database, for a Peter Crane who fought with the NY 2nd in the panish-American War. The application number is the same for that on Eva's pplication for a Civil War Widow's Pension--1224749, and the certificate number lso agrees--959734. However, the Spanish-American War Peter Crane died in chenectady Sept. 20, 1924, and Eva's Civil War Peter Crane died in Baltimore ug. 1, 1924, age 89. I suspect when she applied for his pension on October 9, he remembered only that he served with a New York Regiment, and whoever rocessed the application pulled the wrong Peter Crane's file. I hope Eva got a ension of some sort--she was 83 years old and lived another 3 years. Diane ----------------------------- To contact the NY-CIVIL-WAR list administrator, send an email to Y-CIVIL-WAR-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the NY-CIVIL-WAR mailing list, send an email to Y-CIVIL-WAR@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com ith the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of he mail with no additional text. nd of NY-CIVIL-WAR Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 *****************************************

In digging a bit deeper on Fold3, I found a related entry from the Civil War and Later database, for a Peter Crane who fought with the NY 2nd in the Spanish-American War. The application number is the same for that on Eva's application for a Civil War Widow's Pension--1224749, and the certificate number also agrees--959734. However, the Spanish-American War Peter Crane died in Schenectady Sept. 20, 1924, and Eva's Civil War Peter Crane died in Baltimore Aug. 1, 1924, age 89. I suspect when she applied for his pension on October 9, she remembered only that he served with a New York Regiment, and whoever processed the application pulled the wrong Peter Crane's file. I hope Eva got a pension of some sort--she was 83 years old and lived another 3 years. Diane

I'm trying to trace an ancestor whose widow applied for a Civil War pension after his death in 1924, according to the Civil War Pension Index on Ancestry. Eva A. Crane said her husband Peter served in the NY 2nd Infantry, but I can't find him in any on-line listing for that regiment. If fits, however, because he immigrated to New York in 1860 and married Eva, a Virginian, in Washington, DC, in 1865, as soon as the war ended. Can anyone else find him, or might Eva have been wrong? Diane in Illinois

I have finished posting scans of the pages of a New York gazetteer, dated both 1860 and 1861. Counties are presented in alphabetical order, with their respective towns under each, and the villages and localities under each town. Of course, this was published just before the war started, but it will be useful to persons doing research. http://gedcomindex.com/Reference/new_york.html Enjoy. Tom Alciere

thank you! On Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:30 PM, "webmaster@gedcomindex.com" <webmaster@gedcomindex.com> wrote: I have finished posting scans of the pages of a New York gazetteer, dated both 1860 and 1861. Counties are presented in alphabetical order, with their respective towns under each, and the villages and localities under each town. Of course, this was published just before the war started, but it will be useful to persons doing research. http://gedcomindex.com/Reference/new_york.html Enjoy. Tom Alciere ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NY-CIVIL-WAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jackie Thanks for that I really need to order his pension file I think may help. Kind regards Dianna

Hi Dianna .... there is a pension index card for a Patrick Collier of the 186 NY Infantry showing a date of death of December 12, 1894. The SC pension file (soldier's certificate) is #53262. A copy of the textual file can be ordered from the US National Archives. See www.archives.gov. Best, Jackie Today's Topics: 1. Re: Patrick COLLIER (dianna charles) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 09:27:01 +1000 rom: "dianna charles" <diamonddi57@optusnet.com.au> ubject: Re: [NY-CIVIL-WAR] Patrick COLLIER o: <ny-civil-war@rootsweb.com> essage-ID: <958FC66B8D4C41E98CF6965E3E950782@charlestw> ontent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Janet Thanks very much for that I will try and find his pension records now s they are usually full of a lot of great information. I've seen this from revious research into Henry Fuller of PA. Many thanks Dianna

Hi Janet Thanks very much for that I will try and find his pension records now as they are usually full of a lot of great information. I've seen this from previous research into Henry Fuller of PA. Many thanks Dianna

Hi Cindy that's great may need the pension file now, there's usually quite a bit of useful information there. Many thanks Dianna

HI Cindy That's interesting Patrick snr, may have been elsewhere as he died after 1880 (d 1892 in fact). I have most of the other census's for Patrick and Bridget now, will try and find Patricks Pension records may be interesting. I've been looking at family search as well. Many thanks Dianna