Nancy... My family moved west from MA to Cayuga Co., and later to Nunda also. I have a photograph of two pages from a history book of Nunda that I can send you as an attachment. It is not a cut and paste article. The DeGroff name does not appear on these particular pages , out main interest being the Bennett family which has a nice section devoted to it. I recently travelled to that area and it is truely beautiful, but so was Cayuga Co. and Tompkins. the Bennetts were in Locke and then Groton. Perhaps as the land was settled, everyone looked west for something better. Perhaps there were more land grants as the native Americans were moved out... Many Bennetts moved on to IL, KS and MO where they stayed. My ggggrandpa came back to Nunda after 1860, however..... Let me know if I should send you these two pages.. Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <nancyh@odyssey.net> To: <NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 3:53 PM Subject: [NYCENTRAL] Just a comment > I read with interest the postings on this site. Just a comment---I have read a few in which the ancestor has gone to Nunda or that area from Cayuga County, as did my DeGroff ancestor. Does anyone have an idea what attracted them to that area? 4th great-grandfather, Abraham DeGroff was born in Owasco in 1810, then at about 20 years of age went to Nunda where he taught school for a couple of years, then farmed there. According to the Supervisor's Report of 1830, Nunda had a population fo 1291 persons. In a centennial report, 1808-1908, it speaks of "longevity in Nunda" and specifically mentions Abraham DeGroff at age 90 in 1900, the year he died. Just curious. Nancy Hansen > > > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email at <ladyaudris@earthlink.net>. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

The canal was completed in 1825 but he could have worked on the canal.or even the railroad that followed soon after. marge ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mfallonr@aol.com> To: <NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [NYCENTRAL] Just a comment > Nancy: > > The attraction to Nunda for my Walsh ancestor and wife, newly married in > 1845, was apparently the canal which was being built at the time and, later, the > railroad, as sources of employment. > > MFR > > > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the list send your message to <NY-CENTRA-L-request@rootsweb.com> for individual list messages; <NY-CENTRA-D-request@rootsweb.com> for digest messages. Then put the word unsubscribe in the subject line and send your message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Maybe it had something to do with the Erie Canal being built??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois" <lckrone@netnitco.net> To: <NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [NYCENTRAL] Just a comment > Nancy... > > My family moved west from MA to Cayuga Co., and later to Nunda also. I have > a photograph of two pages from a history book of Nunda that I can send you > as an attachment. It is not a cut and paste article. > > The DeGroff name does not appear on these particular pages , out main > interest being the Bennett family which has a nice section devoted to it. > > I recently travelled to that area and it is truely beautiful, but so was > Cayuga Co. and Tompkins. the Bennetts were in Locke and then Groton. > > Perhaps as the land was settled, everyone looked west for something better. > Perhaps there were more land grants as the native Americans were moved > out... Many Bennetts moved on to IL, KS and MO where they stayed. My > ggggrandpa came back to Nunda after 1860, however..... > > Let me know if I should send you these two pages.. Lois > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy" <nancyh@odyssey.net> > To: <NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 3:53 PM > Subject: [NYCENTRAL] Just a comment > > > > I read with interest the postings on this site. Just a comment---I have > read a few in which the ancestor has gone to Nunda or that area from Cayuga > County, as did my DeGroff ancestor. Does anyone have an idea what attracted > them to that area? 4th great-grandfather, Abraham DeGroff was born in > Owasco in 1810, then at about 20 years of age went to Nunda where he taught > school for a couple of years, then farmed there. According to the > Supervisor's Report of 1830, Nunda had a population fo 1291 persons. In a > centennial report, 1808-1908, it speaks of "longevity in Nunda" and > specifically mentions Abraham DeGroff at age 90 in 1900, the year he died. > Just curious. Nancy Hansen > > > > > > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== > > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email at > <ladyaudris@earthlink.net>. > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== > Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

This is not a good image as it appears to be a double exposure and also a copy of a copy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures125/12512small.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures125/12512.jpg

Good Afternoon, I recently discovered that there is a record of a Chester Bennett buried in the Dalton Cemetery. The person's email to contact bounced back my inquiry. I need to know more about this man's identity. He may be my gggrandfather who was last heard from in 1865, living in Nunda, Livingston Co., a short distance from the Dalton Cemetery. If anyone has access to this Cemetery's records, I would really appreciate knowing any further information that exists in these records about him. His wife was Ora Olive Bennett, maiden name of Engle. They lived next door to their daughter, Susan Van Riper, in the 1865 state census. 'Hoping to hear from some kind soul... I have sent this to four NY lists, although Livingston Co., may not be covered in each. Thanks...... Lois

Dear Marilyn, That phrase seems to have been in common usage in wills-way back in our country. If someone thinks the phrase has any legal connotations--please write in about it. Otherwise, it may just have been social phraseology or a ' nicety ' among family or well-known friends to use when leaving some'gift' of whatever sort to another person. C.J.Sheldon NY-CENTRA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Part 1.1Type: message/rfc822 > > Part 1.2Type: message/rfc822 > > Part 1.3Type: message/rfc822 > > Part 1.4Type: message/rfc822

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Here is what I took April 5 Be sure to look at the LARGE version because you can see huge flooding of farm filelds on the flats SMALL http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures123/12314small.jpg LARGE http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures123/12314.jpg

Can anyone offer suggestion or explanation on the meaning of these words? Have You seen them in other deeds and what was the relationship of the individuals?I have a deed from a James Glenny of Virgil which was then In Onondaga County but is now in Cortland which contains these words" that the said James Glenny for and in consideration by the natural love and affection, which I the said James Glenny heath and ______(I can't make it out} unto the said Samuel Carson hath given" This dead was for land in Lot No 42 and was bound on one side by the Lot boundary and another by John Glenny. In Tompkins county this James Glenny is an agent of Wm Glenny, the Rev War soldier that was granted these lots. Samuel Carson and John Glenny are listed as British Subjects in 1812. James Glenny is not registered with them. I have not found a listing for him to date. However, he could have been dead. Thank you Marilyn Bess

Bill Hecht, you pretty much sum up good on the farm practices. Just few nights ago, mind you I'm in Salt Lake City and was watching PBS on farming practices in New York of all places.. Some farms are no longer tilling the soil, moving toward "no-till" method, resulting in increased crops and better output. I abhor those farmers who use inorganic chemical fertilizers on crops because if they were actually dumped direct in water, the Feds would be all over them for polluting the water and rendering the water unsafe to even drink for long time. Most of those chemical fertilizers are made from petroleum as in raw imported black oil used to make gas for your cars. I wonder how the old time farmers felt about the loss of soil and food treated with chemicals you don't want to know about. They practiced organic way before some farmers got greedy. Is it any wonder there are huge movements toward organic foods being sold in farmers markets now? David Samuelsen

Cayuga Lake south end view north from Ithaca http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures123/12303small.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures123/12303.jpg Skaneateles Lake South end http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures123/12347small.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures123/12347.jpg also http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures123/12300small.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures123/12300.jpg Small http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures122/12283small.jpg LARGE http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures122/12283.jpg

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Front page and logo http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12492small.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12492.jpg Map ad http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12493small.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12493.jpg

at http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enycayuga/maps.htm there are numerous old maps of the Owasco Outlet and Auburn showing old mills scroll down till you find them

Below are some facts on the state of farming and runoff to our Finger Lakes. I have a background in farming and geology and have checked these procedures out recently with the USDA and many others including the Skaneateles Lake agricultural program. Our governmental agencies may be using Best Practices in their approved Farm Plans but the bottom line is that it is still not enough to meet EPA Clean Water standards. And there are solutions as outlined below. It is no longer enough to just get water off the fields. We are dealing with huge farms and more manure then the land can absorb. Couple that to all the drain tiles and diversion ditches installed over the past 50 years and we are seeing a disaster. Below are some facts and figures in a simple format for people to grasp and I hope that your can impliment these simple facts into your web site, literature and public presentations along with the pictures. People need to be told what they are seeing in these pictures and what the full impact is to the natural resouces of the Finger Lakes, to their health, and to thier pocketbooks in tax spending on farm practices that contribute to such pollution. "Best Practices" are not enough. We can and must do better. bill hecht ================================================================== Last Tuesday I flew over a few of the Finger Lakes looking for sedimentation and I fould plenty on Cayuga Lake. A lot of what we see as sedimentation is from hydrolically overloaded streams. "Acceptable" soil loss on farms is 2 tons per acre. That's 200 tons on a 100 acre field or about 10 truck loads. But why are they hydrolically overloaded? Because we have paid farmers to tile and quickly divert water from their field where they then 'point discharge' the tiles to the nearest stream or road ditch. Water that contains sediment plus pesticides, fungicides and antibiotics. The same road ditches that are graded and scoured clean in the fall before a new seeding can take hold. Answer. Restore hedgerows, grass buffers, and wetlands. Also consruct new artificial wetland and retention areas for farm fields and road ditches. Also tax breaks so these areas are not taxed if not raising a crop. Why should only housing developments be required to have retention areas? It is long overdue that farm fields be required to do the same. Remember: this is not 'just' sedement being lost but sediment with attached nutrients, herbicides and antibiotics. How does such sedimentation impact bird life? What about the human and animmal waste along with pesticides, fungicides and antibiotics carried in these plumes.? Is the state of the environment in relation to birds and such pollution addressed at your Monday meetings? Below are two of the pictures taken a view of Cayuga Lake looking south from the Aurelius Springport town line http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12457small.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12457.jpg Also Tuaghannock Falls Creek http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures122/12285small.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures122/12285.jpg More can be seen at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures122/flight/ Sincerely Bill Hecht PO Box 86 5525 State Rt 90 North, Fire Lane 20 Union Springs, NY 13160 315-889-7761

Lets see if the newspapers or even the Lake Association will print these? Just where do you think this sediment comes from? Acceptable soil loss on farms is 2 tons per acre. Thats 200 tons on a 100 acre field or about 10 truck loads. bill W David Samuelsen wrote: > The EPA would love to get their hands on these copies! > > David > > Bill Hecht wrote: > >> Here is the correct link to the Cayuga Lake view of the sediment >> It is a view of Cayuga Lake looking south from the Aurelius >> Springport town line >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12457small.jpg >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12457.jpg > > > > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the list send your message to > <NY-CENTRA-L-request@rootsweb.com> for individual list messages; > <NY-CENTRA-D-request@rootsweb.com> for digest messages. Then put the > word unsubscribe in the subject line and send your message. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Here is the correct link to the Cayuga Lake view of the sediment It is a view of Cayuga Lake looking south from the Aurelius Springport town line http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12457small.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12457.jpg

Out West, they crack down real hard for even having that much sediment output. It's less than 1 truck load. abatements are everywhere to keep water as clean as possible. It's more strict in Oregon where they even hunt down the construction sites to mandate abatement dikes or dams to keep sediment out of storm drains. David Samuelsen Bill Hecht wrote: > Lets see if the newspapers or even the Lake Association will print these? > Just where do you think this sediment comes from? > Acceptable soil loss on farms is 2 tons per acre. Thats 200 tons on a > 100 acre field or about 10 truck loads. > > bill > > W David Samuelsen wrote: > >> The EPA would love to get their hands on these copies! >> >> David >> >> Bill Hecht wrote: >> >>> Here is the correct link to the Cayuga Lake view of the sediment >>> It is a view of Cayuga Lake looking south from the Aurelius >>> Springport town line >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12457small.jpg >>> >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12457.jpg >>> >> >> >> >> >> ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from the list send your message to >> <NY-CENTRA-L-request@rootsweb.com> for individual list messages; >> <NY-CENTRA-D-request@rootsweb.com> for digest messages. Then put the >> word unsubscribe in the subject line and send your message. >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== > The Central NY Website (NYCENTRAL) is located at: > <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycentra/>. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

The EPA would love to get their hands on these copies! David Bill Hecht wrote: > Here is the correct link to the Cayuga Lake view of the sediment > It is a view of Cayuga Lake looking south from the Aurelius Springport > town line > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12457small.jpg > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures124/12457.jpg