I am researching several families in central New York. I hope someone can help me or answer some questions. SUTTON: Lorenzo Sutton b. 1812 NY whose wife was Catherine b. Sept. 1832 NY. They lived in Chenango County, town of Licklean. They had several children: Mary b. about 1843, Henry b. about 1844 d. Civil War, Husel (?) b. about 1850, Franklin b. about 1851, John b. abt. 1856, Antoinette b. about 1858, Ida R. b. abt. 1859 and George b. abt 1863. GREENE: George Greene b. 10 May 1890 Binghampton, Broome Co., NY d. 23 Feb 1982, Cortland County, NW. He married Paulette Sutton b. 16 Jun 1895 d. 26 Dec 1965. She was the daughter of Franklin Sutton and Ella C. Sutton. They had seven children. Possibly George's parents are Elbert or Albert Greene and Emma Perkins Greene. Connie

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In a message dated 6/4/2005 4:02:41 PM Central Daylight Time, wsh6@cornell.edu writes: Be sure to closely examine the LARGE version of this picture. It is hard to believe this ever was permitted. Hello Bill, I just want to thank you again for taking the time to post and tell us about your great pictures. What a wonderful way for us to learn the topography of the land that some of our ancestors inhabited! Warm regards, Marilyn Hough Stern, Austin, TX Researching in central NY: Baggs, Buck, DeMass/Demas/Dumas, Hamilton, Lewis, Ostrander, Philips, Stock, Upcraft, VanVleck Researching in northern NJ and Orange Co., NY: Armstrong, Coon, Courter, Dunning, Gould, Halsted, Hunt, Hough, Jersey, Kinsey, Longwell, Post, Rutan, Vail

Been waiting for others to see what should not be there. 1. banks are bare , nothing to curb erosion from the top (the bottom clearly show to be rock). Those stairways won't last after very heavy snowfall/rainfall unless they had been deep-drilled and anchored. 2. Houses too close to the waterfront (should be 100 or more feet!) 3. Bare gulleys (in west they're referred to as gulches), no native plants to control erosion 4. Those pipes, are they storm-drain only? 5. Some lots are way too de-forested, loss of habitat for wildlife. in case of Vine Valley, soil pollution is clearly visible from soil erosion. Speaking of #2 Just like somebody said about the idiotic Californians who insist on building too close to shoreline, as well as those idiotic Utahns who insist on building big and fancy way high above cityline of Salt Lake City, sitting on very sandy ground (the massive South Mountain development is on sand spit and already legal troubles for the developers coming from those who live on solid and rock ground below). (courtesy of record high-moisture snowfall and rainfall lately.) David Samuelsen Bill Hecht wrote: > Be sure to closely examine the LARGE version of this picture. It is > hard to believe this ever was permitted. > Small version > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612small.jpg > > - LARGE VERSION - > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612.jpg > > Vine Valley > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613small.jpg > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613.jpg

Thank you for explaining, but beautiful picture. marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Samuelsen" <dsam@sampubco.com> To: <NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [NYCENTRAL] What were they thinking? Canandaigua Lake > Been waiting for others to see what should not be there. > > 1. banks are bare , nothing to curb erosion from the top (the bottom clearly > show to be rock). Those stairways won't last after very heavy snowfall/rainfall > unless they had been deep-drilled and anchored. > > 2. Houses too close to the waterfront (should be 100 or more feet!) > > 3. Bare gulleys (in west they're referred to as gulches), no native plants to > control erosion > > 4. Those pipes, are they storm-drain only? > > 5. Some lots are way too de-forested, loss of habitat for wildlife. > > in case of Vine Valley, soil pollution is clearly visible from soil erosion. > > Speaking of #2 > Just like somebody said about the idiotic Californians who insist on building > too close to shoreline, as well as those idiotic Utahns who insist on building > big and fancy way high above cityline of Salt Lake City, sitting on very > sandy ground (the massive South Mountain development is on sand spit and already > legal troubles for the developers coming from those who live on solid and rock > ground below). (courtesy of record high-moisture snowfall and rainfall lately.) > > David Samuelsen > > Bill Hecht wrote: > > Be sure to closely examine the LARGE version of this picture. It is > > hard to believe this ever was permitted. > > Small version > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612small.j pg > > > > - LARGE VERSION - > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612.jpg > > > > Vine Valley > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613small.j pg > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613.jpg > > > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the list send your message to <NY-CENTRA-L-request@rootsweb.com> for individual list messages; <NY-CENTRA-D-request@rootsweb.com> for digest messages. Then put the word unsubscribe in the subject line and send your message. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >

Sandy, Thank you for your kind and understanding reply.

Not a problem here Connie. I do understand what you mean about waiting and waiting for something important. Wish people really would understand how important genealogy is to us. So Connie I didn't think you were grouchy, just maybe a little short and we all get like that. Hope you got the reply you were waiting for. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Connie<mailto:cryingkate1@webtv.net> To: NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [NYCENTRAL] What were they thinking? Canandaigua Lake Yes your right Sandy , I guess I staying up too late and getting grouchy. I was waiting for a serious reply last night and every time the mail alert come on It was about the pictures , and watching the mail box took me from my search sites. Please Excuse my grouchiness .Any news of our ancesters is good news. ......................sincerely, Connie ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the list send your message to <NY-CENTRA-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-CENTRA-L-request@rootsweb.com>> for individual list messages; <NY-CENTRA-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-CENTRA-D-request@rootsweb.com>> for digest messages. Then put the word unsubscribe in the subject line and send your message. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429<http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429>

Yes your right Sandy , I guess I staying up too late and getting grouchy. I was waiting for a serious reply last night and every time the mail alert come on It was about the pictures , and watching the mail box took me from my search sites. Please Excuse my grouchiness .Any news of our ancesters is good news. ......................sincerely, Connie

I saw sewage draining into the lake, a not uncommon practice, I believe.

To me it's the history of where our ancestor's lived, worked and laughed. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Connie<mailto:cryingkate1@webtv.net> To: NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [NYCENTRAL] What were they thinking? Canandaigua Lake And pray tell what is the geneological significance to the pictures study lesson that are flooding my email ? ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== To post messages to the central New York discussion list, send them to NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> even if you receive the digest. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429<http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429>

And pray tell what is the geneological significance to the pictures study lesson that are flooding my email ?

Thanks for the explanation. One thing I did not notice but someone pointed out was the very long white pipe going down to the lake. Is it an insulated water intake?? ========================== Great shot, Bill. In the first photo, in addition to those crazy driveways, I noticed one large pipe extending from a villa into the lake. It's too large to be a water intake pipe, so I can only guess what it is. You probably guessed this too. Maybe you need a watchdog organization like our "Save the River" up at the Thousand Islands. Often those issuing permits are eager to have new development contribute to the local tax base. They may not be inclined to discourage easy "improvement" of undeveloped land. ================== Hi, Folks, Bill, these are great pictures. Thank you. Okay. First of all, the trees aren't burnt. The pictures were taken in April (note fine print at the bottom). They are hardwoods. They lose their leaves in winter and thus appear quite barren until they begin their new spring growth. By now, the hillsides are covered in myriad shades of green. Yes, several someones built roads to or near the lakeside or have long walkways down to it. What you perhaps cannot discern from the picture and wouldn't know if you've never been there is that those are sheer rock walls close to or exceeding 100 feet vertical height, with precious little shoreline at the bottom. The deep crevaces (deep vertical shadows) are what we call "gulleys". Very steep, very deep, usually covered in loose shale rock which makes them extremely dangerous to try to climb or hike around. My cousin died in such an accident. Please note the stairways leading to the shoreline are very, very long. They are tight to the face of the rock wall. Does that give you some idea of the distance? The roadway is FAR above all this. The inexperienced eye can probably not tell from this photograph the steep angle of the "driveways" down to the houses clinging to the side of the hill. Look closely and you will see that most of the paths zig-zag back and forth. That should give you some idea of the steepness they are traversing. It would be impossible to drive a vehicle straight up through there. It's rather like those idiots in California who insist on building their homes hanging off the hillsides ... and then bemoaning when they periodically fall into the sea. (Forgive me if I offend any Californins here.) At least in NY they're built on solid rock base. Why anyone would want to go to the expense, effort and danger of building the way they do is, personally, beyond me. Think of the effort just to go for a swim!!! I agree with Bill, "What were they thinking!!!" But then, the engineering feat itself is worthy of note. Lyn So many ancestors ----- so little time.

--- John <jsseely@cox.net> wrote: > I saw an area in which it appears that someone was allowed to build a > road down to the lakeside -- all the other homes nearby appear to > have long walkways up/down the side > > > Phil & Sandy Carneiro wrote: > > To me it was all the burnt tree's. Maybe that is not the problem > but it sure was to me. > > > FitzRandolphGenealogy@adelphia.net> > > Bill, I looked and looked but do not see what you are talking about, can you tell me? Hi, Folks, Bill, these are great pictures. Thank you. Okay. First of all, the trees aren't burnt. The pictures were taken in April (note fine print at the bottom). They are hardwoods. They lose their leaves in winter and thus appear quite barren until they begin their new spring growth. By now, the hillsides are covered in myriad shades of green. Yes, several someones built roads to or near the lakeside or have long walkways down to it. What you perhaps cannot discern from the picture and wouldn't know if you've never been there is that those are sheer rock walls close to or exceeding 100 feet vertical height, with precious little shoreline at the bottom. The deep crevaces (deep vertical shadows) are what we call "gulleys". Very steep, very deep, usually covered in loose shale rock which makes them extremely dangerous to try to climb or hike around. My cousin died in such an accident. Please note the stairways leading to the shoreline are very, very long. They are tight to the face of the rock wall. Does that give you some idea of the distance? The roadway is FAR above all this. The inexperienced eye can probably not tell from this photograph the steep angle of the "driveways" down to the houses clinging to the side of the hill. Look closely and you will see that most of the paths zig-zag back and forth. That should give you some idea of the steepness they are traversing. It would be impossible to drive a vehicle straight up through there. It's rather like those idiots in California who insist on building their homes hanging off the hillsides ... and then bemoaning when they periodically fall into the sea. (Forgive me if I offend any Californins here.) At least in NY they're built on solid rock base. Why anyone would want to go to the expense, effort and danger of building the way they do is, personally, beyond me. Think of the effort just to go for a swim!!! I agree with Bill, "What were they thinking!!!" But then, the engineering feat itself is worthy of note. Lyn So many ancestors ----- so little time. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

To me it was all the burnt tree's. Maybe that is not the problem but it sure was to me. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Trisha Fitz Randolph<mailto:FitzRandolphGenealogy@adelphia.net> To: NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [NYCENTRAL] What were they thinking? Canandaigua Lake Bill, I looked and looked but do not see what you are talking about, can you tell me ? Trisha FitzRandolph Founder FitzRandolph Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~njfrghs/HOME<http://www.rootsweb.com/~njfrghs/HOME> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hecht" <wsh6@cornell.edu<mailto:wsh6@cornell.edu>> To: <NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: [NYCENTRAL] What were they thinking? Canandaigua Lake > Be sure to closely examine the LARGE version of this picture. It is hard > to believe this ever was permitted. > Small version > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612small.jpg<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612small.jpg> > - LARGE VERSION - > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612.jpg<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612.jpg> > > Vine Valley > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613small.jpg<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613small.jpg> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613.jpg<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613.jpg> > > > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== > NY-CENTRA-L is a mailing list for researching the central NY counties of: > Broome, Cayuga, Chenango, Cortland, Delaware, Madison, Oneida, Onondaga, > Oswego, Otsego, Tioga and Tompkins. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx> > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== To post messages to the central New York discussion list, send them to NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> even if you receive the digest. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx>

I saw an area in which it appears that someone was allowed to build a road down to the lakeside -- all the other homes nearby appear to have long walkways up/down the side John Phil & Sandy Carneiro wrote: > To me it was all the burnt tree's. Maybe that is not the problem but it sure was to me. > Sandy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trisha Fitz Randolph<mailto:FitzRandolphGenealogy@adelphia.net> > To: NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:34 PM > Subject: Re: [NYCENTRAL] What were they thinking? Canandaigua Lake > > > Bill, > I looked and looked but do not see what you are talking about, can you tell > me ? > > > > Trisha FitzRandolph > Founder > FitzRandolph Historical Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njfrghs/HOME<http://www.rootsweb.com/~njfrghs/HOME> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Hecht" <wsh6@cornell.edu<mailto:wsh6@cornell.edu>> > To: <NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:01 PM > Subject: [NYCENTRAL] What were they thinking? Canandaigua Lake > > > > Be sure to closely examine the LARGE version of this picture. It is hard > > to believe this ever was permitted. > > Small version > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612small.jpg<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612small.jpg> > > - LARGE VERSION - > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612.jpg<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612.jpg> > > > > Vine Valley > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613small.jpg<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613small.jpg> > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613.jpg<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613.jpg> > > > > > > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== > > NY-CENTRA-L is a mailing list for researching the central NY counties of: > > Broome, Cayuga, Chenango, Cortland, Delaware, Madison, Oneida, Onondaga, > > Oswego, Otsego, Tioga and Tompkins. > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx> > > > > > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== > To post messages to the central New York discussion list, send them to NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> even if you receive the digest. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx> > > > > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email at <ladyaudris@earthlink.net>. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Bill, I looked and looked but do not see what you are talking about, can you tell me ? Trisha FitzRandolph Founder FitzRandolph Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~njfrghs/HOME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hecht" <wsh6@cornell.edu> To: <NY-CENTRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: [NYCENTRAL] What were they thinking? Canandaigua Lake > Be sure to closely examine the LARGE version of this picture. It is hard > to believe this ever was permitted. > Small version > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612small.jpg > - LARGE VERSION - > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612.jpg > > Vine Valley > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613small.jpg > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613.jpg > > > ==== NY-CENTRA Mailing List ==== > NY-CENTRA-L is a mailing list for researching the central NY counties of: > Broome, Cayuga, Chenango, Cortland, Delaware, Madison, Oneida, Onondaga, > Oswego, Otsego, Tioga and Tompkins. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Be sure to closely examine the LARGE version of this picture. It is hard to believe this ever was permitted. Small version http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612small.jpg - LARGE VERSION - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12612.jpg Vine Valley http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613small.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~springport/pictures126/12613.jpg

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This is being sent at the request of Dan's wife Jennifer, who wanted to address both his NY roots and his new love of VA. For those who want to honor the memory of Dan and his life's work, a scholarship fund has been set up in his name in New York: If folks want to donate the address is Daniel H. Weiskotten Memorial Scholarship Fund C/o P.O. Box 351, Chittenango, NY 13037. and in Virginia: There are two other options if anyone is interested: Daniel H. Weiskotten VAM Conference Scholarship Fund (which we created to send archaeologists and historians to our annual conference at no charge to them) 200 South Third Street, Richmond, VA 23219 Also the Chesterfield Historical Society, P.O. Box 40, Chesterfield VA 23832.