Hi Jed This original discussion sure has taken a turn, and welcomed by me in the fact it is a learning experience. I am certainly no expert in this matter, but I believe 1/2 cousins develop from an ancestor marrying twice. For example, John Parker and I are 1/2 5th BARTEAUX cousins (once removed) owing to John's 4th great grandfather (and my 5th great grandfather,) Philip BARTEAUX, marrying twice. I descend from one of the marriages of Philip's wives and John descend from the other wife. Or so at least my FTM tells me in its "relationship calculation" feature. Richard Richard Hardwick (Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) RiHardwick@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Handspicker" <jedh@jedh.com> To: <NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:50 AM Subject: [NS-L] Question on "half cousins" > Given the discussion on "How I'm related to myself", I've noticed several > mentions of "half cousins". What, exactly IS a "half cousin?" I've heard > the term before, but find no such relationships when running the "Compute > Relationship" report with my software. Is it anything similar to a > half-sibling? As in sharing one parent, but not both? That's the only > explanation I can think of, at this point. That said, I'd THINK it would > mean half cousins share a single grandparent, and half second cousins > would share only one great-grandparent. Am I even close? > > Cheers, > > Jared > > ------------------------ > Jared "Jed" Handspicker > jedh@jedh.com > > > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. Subscribe to Digest mode > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard, Many thanks... so I wasn't TOO far off! In searching online, I found a couple of hints, but nothing firm. That said, I DID find reference to "Double Cousins" during that search, which occur when two brothers marry two sisters. So, you can have first cousins that are first cousins via both parents, hence "double cousins." I can't even count the number of times I've had to explain how "removed" works, to those who have asked "How are WE related?". Now, I guess I'll have more relational information to pass on. I've also found, in most cases, the "half" is not always computed, as by SOME definitions, cousins share "a common grandparent". Hence the reason why half cousins share the same "removed" definitions as cousins. In that respect, it would appear that the term is a subset of the cousin relationship factors. I've even heard, in RARE cases, of folks referencing maternal or patriarchal cousins, indicating that specific relationship is through a mother's or father's ancestry. I imagine, if ALL the various labels were attached, you COULD end up with terms like "half patriarchal third cousins, twice removed, on my mother's side". *chuckle* (Just don't ask me to explain THAT relationship!) What's interesting to note is, if one has ancestors traced back to early settlement days, either in New England, or Canada, or even Australia and other "Newer World" countries, if you run across someone else with ancestors in that same area, chances are incredibly high that you share some kind of cousin relationship. Even if you don't yet have it fully traced and documented. There are only two or three family names (surnames) in early Digby County, Nova Scotia that I've not yet found a connection to in my Handspiker genealogy (at least from all the names listed for that area in 1838 Census). I suspect, either I just haven't FOUND those connections, yet, or that family sort of "died off" or "moved off" not long after the name appeared in that particular record. Cheers, Jed > Hi Jed > > This original discussion sure has taken a turn, and welcomed by me in the > fact it is a learning experience. > > I am certainly no expert in this matter, but I believe 1/2 cousins develop > from an ancestor marrying twice. For example, John Parker and I are 1/2 > 5th > BARTEAUX cousins (once removed) owing to John's 4th great grandfather (and > my 5th great grandfather,) Philip BARTEAUX, marrying twice. I descend > from > one of the marriages of Philip's wives and John descend from the other > wife. > Or so at least my FTM tells me in its "relationship calculation" feature. > > Richard > > Richard Hardwick > (Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, > ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) > RiHardwick@comcast.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jared Handspicker" <jedh@jedh.com> > To: <NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:50 AM > Subject: [NS-L] Question on "half cousins" > > >> Given the discussion on "How I'm related to myself", I've noticed >> several >> mentions of "half cousins". What, exactly IS a "half cousin?" I've >> heard >> the term before, but find no such relationships when running the >> "Compute >> Relationship" report with my software. Is it anything similar to a >> half-sibling? As in sharing one parent, but not both? That's the only >> explanation I can think of, at this point. That said, I'd THINK it >> would >> mean half cousins share a single grandparent, and half second cousins >> would share only one great-grandparent. Am I even close? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jared >> >> ------------------------ >> Jared "Jed" Handspicker >> jedh@jedh.com >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> Basic List Commands: >> >> 1. To post to the list >> Send a message to: >> NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com >> >> 2. How to unsubscribe >> a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- >> request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word >> unsubscribe >> >> b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- >> request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word >> unsubscribe >> >> 3. How to subscribe >> Send an email containing only the word >> subscribe >> to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com >> >> 4. How to change to Digest mode >> a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) >> b. Subscribe to Digest mode >> Send an email containing only the word >> subscribe >> to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------ Jared "Jed" Handspicker jedh@jedh.com

Hi Jed I think your explanation in your last paragraph fits me to a "T" as far as being my own 8th or 9th cousin. And it's just from a lack of studying these folks in more detail that prevents me from determining how I relate to myself as I do. I'm a product of "double cousins" as well. Or at least through marriage. My wife's mother and my wife's aunt (both sisters) married brothers and each marriage produced offspring. These offspring (1st cousins) are considered "double cousins" as well. Now what would we call the offspring if the parent sisters were twins and the parent brothers were twins? Thanks for your info Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Handspicker" <jedh@jedh.com> To: <nova-scotia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Question on "half cousins" > Richard, > > Many thanks... so I wasn't TOO far off! In searching online, I found a > couple of hints, but nothing firm. That said, I DID find reference to > "Double Cousins" during that search, which occur when two brothers marry > two sisters. So, you can have first cousins that are first cousins via > both parents, hence "double cousins." > > I can't even count the number of times I've had to explain how "removed" > works, to those who have asked "How are WE related?". Now, I guess I'll > have more relational information to pass on. I've also found, in most > cases, the "half" is not always computed, as by SOME definitions, cousins > share "a common grandparent". Hence the reason why half cousins share the > same "removed" definitions as cousins. In that respect, it would appear > that the term is a subset of the cousin relationship factors. I've even > heard, in RARE cases, of folks referencing maternal or patriarchal > cousins, indicating that specific relationship is through a mother's or > father's ancestry. I imagine, if ALL the various labels were attached, > you COULD end up with terms like "half patriarchal third cousins, twice > removed, on my mother's side". *chuckle* (Just don't ask me to explain > THAT relationship!) > > What's interesting to note is, if one has ancestors traced back to early > settlement days, either in New England, or Canada, or even Australia and > other "Newer World" countries, if you run across someone else with > ancestors in that same area, chances are incredibly high that you share > some kind of cousin relationship. Even if you don't yet have it fully > traced and documented. There are only two or three family names > (surnames) in early Digby County, Nova Scotia that I've not yet found a > connection to in my Handspiker genealogy (at least from all the names > listed for that area in 1838 Census). I suspect, either I just haven't > FOUND those connections, yet, or that family sort of "died off" or "moved > off" not long after the name appeared in that particular record. > > Cheers, > > Jed > >> Hi Jed >> >> This original discussion sure has taken a turn, and welcomed by me in the >> fact it is a learning experience. >> >> I am certainly no expert in this matter, but I believe 1/2 cousins >> develop >> from an ancestor marrying twice. For example, John Parker and I are 1/2 >> 5th >> BARTEAUX cousins (once removed) owing to John's 4th great grandfather >> (and >> my 5th great grandfather,) Philip BARTEAUX, marrying twice. I descend >> from >> one of the marriages of Philip's wives and John descend from the other >> wife. >> Or so at least my FTM tells me in its "relationship calculation" feature. >> >> Richard >> >> Richard Hardwick >> (Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, >> ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) >> RiHardwick@comcast.net >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jared Handspicker" <jedh@jedh.com> >> To: <NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:50 AM >> Subject: [NS-L] Question on "half cousins" >> >> >>> Given the discussion on "How I'm related to myself", I've noticed >>> several >>> mentions of "half cousins". What, exactly IS a "half cousin?" I've >>> heard >>> the term before, but find no such relationships when running the >>> "Compute >>> Relationship" report with my software. Is it anything similar to a >>> half-sibling? As in sharing one parent, but not both? That's the only >>> explanation I can think of, at this point. That said, I'd THINK it >>> would >>> mean half cousins share a single grandparent, and half second cousins >>> would share only one great-grandparent. Am I even close? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jared >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> Jared "Jed" Handspicker >>> jedh@jedh.com >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> Basic List Commands: >>> >>> 1. To post to the list >>> Send a message to: >>> NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com >>> >>> 2. How to unsubscribe >>> a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- >>> request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word >>> unsubscribe >>> >>> b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- >>> request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word >>> unsubscribe >>> >>> 3. How to subscribe >>> Send an email containing only the word >>> subscribe >>> to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> 4. How to change to Digest mode >>> a. 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