Hi Sue Another friend tells me that the old French Fort of old Port Royal was located on the northern shore of the Annapolis River, opposite to Goat island, 5-6 miles down river from where Annapolis Royal is today. The British Fort was established in present day Annapolis Royal. So this combined with what you are indicating that the "entire area" was considered Port Royal or Annapolis Royal makes sense, including the areas of both those forts. Eventhough those 2 forts did not co-exist, since the area was either French or British. It sounds like the area where the French Fort was went away for a time only to come back as Lower Granville and then later as a "new" Port Royal (a new town?) at the site of where the old French Fort was. Am I making any sense? Just trying to summarize what I have been recently told by several. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Burns To: Richard Hardwick Cc: NS ednet list ; NOVA-SCOTIA Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal Hi Richard, Port Royal as far as I know during the time of the Acadians was an entire area, not just a single town. While the Port Royal of today is still within that area, it is not the actual town. One of the original names for Port Royal was Lower Granville, a place-name most genealogists are familiar with. I don't think the name was changed from LG to PR until the 1950s or so. Karsdale was also in the area of Lower Granville, but may have been a separate settlement at one time....(not sure about that one.) Now within the area of Port Royal, there was a fort established by the French. That fort site became first Annapolis and then Annapolis Royal as the county of Annapolis was established. I don't know if the acadians named the settlements as separate entities from the area of Port Royal.....perhaps someone else can tell us that??? Sue Richard Hardwick wrote: Hello all I was wondering if some history/geography buff might explain the differences between Port Royal and Annapolis Royal. It is/was my understanding that when the British were finally successful in their conquest at Port Royal in the early 1700s that they changed the name of Port Royal to Annapolis Royal in honor of Queen Anne. However, in recently finding info that some of my relatives are buried at Schafner's Point Cemetery, it is indicated that this cemetery is in Port Royal. And some of these interments are fairly recent. So that information sent me on a quest. After a Google of "Port Royal" and "Annapolis Royal" and the consulting of a present-day map, I find that there are 2 such named cities/towns, one up river and one down river quite a distance from one another. And on opposite shores of the Annapolis River. Wikipedia also says that there are 2 different places. Also, the information at the Annapolis County GenWeb site says that the SCHAFNER Point Cemetery is in Port Royal. (Coincidentally, I have seen SCHAFNER's Point Cemetery as being in Karsdale as well. With Karsdale being real close to Port Royal on a present-day map.) So questions abound: (1) Did the present-day site of Annapolis Royal come into existence after a move to its present site after the conquest of Port Royal that was down river? (2) Was the old Port Royal at the site of the present day Annapolis Royal? (3) Is the present-day location of Port Royal at the location of the old Port Royal of the 1600s? (4) Is it possible that the present-day location of Port Royal came into existence long after the old Port Royal was conquered and has no relation to the old Port Royal? Just in name only? (5) Is Karsdale and Port Royal synonymous with one another? Hoping someone can help. Thanks Richard Hardwick (Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) RiHardwick@comcast.net ---------------------------------------- Basic List Commands: 1. To post to the list Send a message to: NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com 2. How to unsubscribe a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word unsubscribe b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word unsubscribe 3. How to subscribe Send an email containing only the word subscribe to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com 4. How to change to Digest mode a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) b. Subscribe to Digest mode Send an email containing only the word subscribe to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hardwick" Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal There were 2 Port Royal sites, one established originally in 1604; then re-established the following year, which was eventually abandonded in 1614. In 1632, 7 miles east of the 1604-1614 site, a new Port Royal was established by Charles de Menou d'Aulnay. This site was quite separate from Annapolis Royal and Port/Fort Anne. Toni

Hi Richard, Go here: http://www.nsplacenames.ca/ Search first Annapolis Royal, and then search Port Royal. It will show you which one is closest to Karsdale. It certainly looks like there were two separate forts, so that must be where the others are talking about. Richard Hardwick wrote: > > Hi Sue > > Another friend tells me that the old French Fort of old Port Royal was > located on the northern shore of the Annapolis River, opposite to Goat > island, 5-6 miles down river from where Annapolis Royal is today. The > British Fort was established in present day Annapolis Royal. So this > combined with what you are indicating that the "entire area" was > considered Port Royal or Annapolis Royal makes sense, including the > areas of both those forts. Eventhough those 2 forts did not co-exist, > since the area was either French or British. > > It sounds like the area where the French Fort was went away for a time > only to come back as Lower Granville and then later as a "new" Port > Royal (a new town?) at the site of where the old French Fort was. > > Am I making any sense? Just trying to summarize what I have been > recently told by several. > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Burns <mailto:sburns@gto.net> > To: Richard Hardwick <mailto:RiHardwick@comcast.net> > Cc: NS ednet list <mailto:NSroots@ednet.ns.ca> ; NOVA-SCOTIA > <mailto:NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal > > Hi Richard, > > Port Royal as far as I know during the time of the Acadians was an > entire area, > not just a single town. While the Port Royal of today is still > within that area, it > is not the actual town. One of the original names for Port Royal > was Lower > Granville, a place-name most genealogists are familiar with. I > don't think the > name was changed from LG to PR until the 1950s or so. Karsdale was > also in > the area of Lower Granville, but may have been a separate > settlement at one > time....(not sure about that one.) > > Now within the area of Port Royal, there was a fort established by > the French. > That fort site became first Annapolis and then Annapolis Royal as > the county > of Annapolis was established. > > I don't know if the acadians named the settlements as separate > entities from the > area of Port Royal.....perhaps someone else can tell us that??? > > Sue > > Richard Hardwick wrote: > >>Hello all >> >>I was wondering if some history/geography buff might explain the differences between Port Royal and Annapolis Royal. >> >>It is/was my understanding that when the British were finally successful in their conquest at Port Royal in the early 1700s that they changed the name of Port Royal to Annapolis Royal in honor of Queen Anne. >> >>However, in recently finding info that some of my relatives are buried at Schafner's Point Cemetery, it is indicated that this cemetery is in Port Royal. And some of these interments are fairly recent. So that information sent me on a quest. >> >>After a Google of "Port Royal" and "Annapolis Royal" and the consulting of a present-day map, I find that there are 2 such named cities/towns, one up river and one down river quite a distance from one another. And on opposite shores of the Annapolis River. Wikipedia also says that there are 2 different places. Also, the information at the Annapolis County GenWeb site says that the SCHAFNER Point Cemetery is in Port Royal. (Coincidentally, I have seen SCHAFNER's Point Cemetery as being in Karsdale as well. With Karsdale being real close to Port Royal on a present-day map.) >> >>So questions abound: >> >>(1) Did the present-day site of Annapolis Royal come into existence after a move to its present site after the conquest of Port Royal that was down river? >> >>(2) Was the old Port Royal at the site of the present day Annapolis Royal? >> >>(3) Is the present-day location of Port Royal at the location of the old Port Royal of the 1600s? >> >>(4) Is it possible that the present-day location of Port Royal came into existence long after the old Port Royal was conquered and has no relation to the old Port Royal? Just in name only? >> >>(5) Is Karsdale and Port Royal synonymous with one another? >> >>Hoping someone can help. >> >>Thanks >> >>Richard Hardwick >> >>(Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) >>RiHardwick@comcast.net >>---------------------------------------- >>Basic List Commands: >> >>1. 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And just as a "funny", take a close look at the map above Granville Beach near the DND marked area.... Anyone know the story of "Uncle Freds Meadow"???? Richard Hardwick wrote: > > Hi Sue > > Another friend tells me that the old French Fort of old Port Royal was > located on the northern shore of the Annapolis River, opposite to Goat > island, 5-6 miles down river from where Annapolis Royal is today. The > British Fort was established in present day Annapolis Royal. So this > combined with what you are indicating that the "entire area" was > considered Port Royal or Annapolis Royal makes sense, including the > areas of both those forts. Eventhough those 2 forts did not co-exist, > since the area was either French or British. > > It sounds like the area where the French Fort was went away for a time > only to come back as Lower Granville and then later as a "new" Port > Royal (a new town?) at the site of where the old French Fort was. > > Am I making any sense? Just trying to summarize what I have been > recently told by several. > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Burns <mailto:sburns@gto.net> > To: Richard Hardwick <mailto:RiHardwick@comcast.net> > Cc: NS ednet list <mailto:NSroots@ednet.ns.ca> ; NOVA-SCOTIA > <mailto:NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal > > Hi Richard, > > Port Royal as far as I know during the time of the Acadians was an > entire area, > not just a single town. While the Port Royal of today is still > within that area, it > is not the actual town. One of the original names for Port Royal > was Lower > Granville, a place-name most genealogists are familiar with. I > don't think the > name was changed from LG to PR until the 1950s or so. Karsdale was > also in > the area of Lower Granville, but may have been a separate > settlement at one > time....(not sure about that one.) > > Now within the area of Port Royal, there was a fort established by > the French. > That fort site became first Annapolis and then Annapolis Royal as > the county > of Annapolis was established. > > I don't know if the acadians named the settlements as separate > entities from the > area of Port Royal.....perhaps someone else can tell us that??? > > Sue > > Richard Hardwick wrote: > >>Hello all >> >>I was wondering if some history/geography buff might explain the differences between Port Royal and Annapolis Royal. >> >>It is/was my understanding that when the British were finally successful in their conquest at Port Royal in the early 1700s that they changed the name of Port Royal to Annapolis Royal in honor of Queen Anne. >> >>However, in recently finding info that some of my relatives are buried at Schafner's Point Cemetery, it is indicated that this cemetery is in Port Royal. And some of these interments are fairly recent. So that information sent me on a quest. >> >>After a Google of "Port Royal" and "Annapolis Royal" and the consulting of a present-day map, I find that there are 2 such named cities/towns, one up river and one down river quite a distance from one another. And on opposite shores of the Annapolis River. Wikipedia also says that there are 2 different places. Also, the information at the Annapolis County GenWeb site says that the SCHAFNER Point Cemetery is in Port Royal. (Coincidentally, I have seen SCHAFNER's Point Cemetery as being in Karsdale as well. With Karsdale being real close to Port Royal on a present-day map.) >> >>So questions abound: >> >>(1) Did the present-day site of Annapolis Royal come into existence after a move to its present site after the conquest of Port Royal that was down river? >> >>(2) Was the old Port Royal at the site of the present day Annapolis Royal? >> >>(3) Is the present-day location of Port Royal at the location of the old Port Royal of the 1600s? >> >>(4) Is it possible that the present-day location of Port Royal came into existence long after the old Port Royal was conquered and has no relation to the old Port Royal? Just in name only? >> >>(5) Is Karsdale and Port Royal synonymous with one another? >> >>Hoping someone can help. >> >>Thanks >> >>Richard Hardwick >> >>(Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) >>RiHardwick@comcast.net >>---------------------------------------- >>Basic List Commands: >> >>1. 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