Question: Folks keep eluding to some copyright laws on obituaries. Does anyone know what the actual law is? Does the fact that the funeral homes are also posting the obituaries online nullify any copyright infringement (as long as the obits are not sold..... hhmmm CH does sell the obits). What would happen if we posted the obits on a page/group in Facebook daily? This could be a private group requiring membership approval. It wouldn't solve the Image vs text issue as the only way you could do this quickly would be to upload the image as a picture, but at least we would have one place to go that wouldn't disappear after a week. Just a thought...... In a message dated 4/2/2010 9:05:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Wally (and others) - The issue is that you now have to save the obituary as an IMAGE rather than being able to save it as TEXT. This means that it is no longer possible to copy it directly into a genealogy program (in the "Notes") as the text of an obituary which many of us do. Since many of us are researching/following multiple family lines, retyping all of these images into our genealogy program files takes a lot of time and effort that previously was not necessary. The other problem seems to be that the obituaries are now only available for a week. It used to be that you could search for a much longer period or at least go back day by day (even before there was a search function). This is not very helpful if you happen to be away from the internet for more than a few days. Elizabeth (in Ottawa) -------Original Message------- From: wally baker Date: 31/03/2010 11:12:30 PM To: Lunen-Links Subject: Re: [LL] [NS-L] Chronically Horrid I am not experiencing any problem. I just put my cursor on the obituary, right click on the obit, and click either copy or copy image. I then go to MS Word (or a blank email to send) andleft click on paste. It hasworked every time for me.The only thing I haven't figured out is why the Chronicle-Herald is playing around with this program the way they are. However, I can remember when the Halifax Herald and the Halifax Chronicle first merged and they have behaved in the same dumb, obstinate way ever since. Such is their culture. Wallie Baker, Florida ________________________________ From: Ginny Bergmann <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 4:08:59 PM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Chronically Horrid It sounded to me like he was saying they were charging a fee to see the obits now. Virginia (Ward) Bergmann Researching Hants County surnames: WARD, MOSHER, CALDWELL, LOWTHERS, BERRY > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:07:31 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NS-L] Chronically Horrid > > Not sure if this is a similar process, but when a webpage doesn't allow > one to copy with the mouse and right-click option, IF the desired text can > be highlighted, then highlight and use the menu bar version of Edit and > Copy. When that doesn't even work, I sometimes (unless it would violate a > valid copyright law) use Shift/Print Screen, then paste into MSPaint or > some other photo/graphics program, and save it as a .jpg file or similar > for later transcription. > > Just a couple "tricks of the trade"... > > Jared > > > Not sure why this ranks as "a dirty trick." > > > > If you right click on the obituary, you can save it as a picture in the > > "My > > Pictures" folder of your "My Documents" folder (in Windows), and > > transcribe > > it at you leisure later, or simply paste it as a picture into a page. > > > > Jay Underwood > > Elmsdale > > ------------------------ > Jared "Jed" Handspicker > [email protected] > > "Do your best; let God do the rest." > > > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > [email protected] > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. 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The copyright act does NOT prevent you from copying this material (Sec. 29) if it is for personal use and study, and if you undertake to destroy any copies once you have completed that study (it doesn't say how long you have, so presumably you can take your own sweet time.) Funeral homes do NOT own copyright since they either write the obit under "commission" (they are being paid) or a family member writes it (I have written my own, and it sits eagerly awaiting to be unleashed from my laptop!), in which case the copyright lies with the person who paid to have it written, or who wrote it, and I doubt they would even bother to sue for infringement if the obit did get copied and publicized. You CANNOT sell or otherwise distribute the copies you do make for profit or personal gain, or attempt to pass it off as your own work (in other words, when you know who the creator was, that should be cited as a footnote/endnote, even if it is only to cite the CH and the date and page of publication) Whether or not Comical Harold does hold the copyright on its obits would be a matter for lawyers and the courts to decide, but you will generally find the CH does hold copyright on theCD it sells, so that the CD CANNOT be copied and re-sold or otherwise distributed. You will find that, from time to time, people publishing material on the WWW cite copyright for themselves for material that is in the "public domain," because they either don't know the law, or want to deter anyone from using it on a site that might draw traffic away from theirs. As the author of five books, with others "in the works" I have to understand that as much as ten per cent of any of my work could be published on the WWW, as long as I am identified as the creator, and the sources is properly cited. The only time I had an issue was when some person using an internet alias published almost half of my book "Ketchum's Folly" on a website withour crediting me as the creator or citing my book as the source. I could not pursue infringement litigation because I could not identify the owner of the website, and the ISP at that time refused (or also did not kmow) to reveal who the person was.. The site has since been taken down. Jay Underwood Elmsdale >From Jay Underwood and Railfare*DC Books "Ghost Tracks": http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html "From Folly to Fortune": http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html "Built for War": http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [NS-L] [LL] Chronically Horrid > Question: > Folks keep eluding to some copyright laws on obituaries. Does anyone know > what the actual law is? Does the fact that the funeral homes are also > posting the obituaries online nullify any copyright infringement (as long > as the > obits are not sold..... hhmmm CH does sell the obits). > > What would happen if we posted the obits on a page/group in Facebook > daily? This could be a private group requiring membership approval. It > wouldn't > solve the Image vs text issue as the only way you could do this quickly > would be to upload the image as a picture, but at least we would have one > place to go that wouldn't disappear after a week. > > Just a thought...... > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2010 9:05:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Wally (and others) - > > The issue is that you now have to save the obituary as an IMAGE rather > than > being able to save it as TEXT. This means that it is no longer possible > to > copy it directly into a genealogy program (in the "Notes") as the text of > an > obituary which many of us do. > > Since many of us are researching/following multiple family lines, > retyping > all of these images into our genealogy program files takes a lot of time > and > effort that previously was not necessary. > > The other problem seems to be that the obituaries are now only available > for > a week. It used to be that you could search for a much longer period or > at > least go back day by day (even before there was a search function). This > is > not very helpful if you happen to be away from the internet for more than > a > few days. > > Elizabeth (in Ottawa) > > -------Original Message------- > > From: wally baker > Date: 31/03/2010 11:12:30 PM > To: Lunen-Links > Subject: Re: [LL] [NS-L] Chronically Horrid > > I am not experiencing any problem. I just put my cursor on the obituary, > right click on the obit, and click either copy or copy image. I then go > to > MS Word (or a blank email to send) andleft click on paste. It hasworked > every time for me.The only thing I haven't figured out is why the > Chronicle-Herald is playing around with this program the way they are. > However, I can remember when the Halifax Herald and the Halifax Chronicle > first merged and they have behaved in the same dumb, obstinate way ever > since. Such is their culture. > > Wallie Baker, Florida > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ginny Bergmann <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 4:08:59 PM > Subject: Re: [NS-L] Chronically Horrid > > > It sounded to me like he was saying they were charging a fee to see the > obits now. > > Virginia (Ward) Bergmann > Researching Hants County surnames: > WARD, MOSHER, CALDWELL, LOWTHERS, BERRY > > > >> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:07:31 -0400 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NS-L] Chronically Horrid >> >> Not sure if this is a similar process, but when a webpage doesn't allow >> one to copy with the mouse and right-click option, IF the desired text > can >> be highlighted, then highlight and use the menu bar version of Edit and >> Copy. When that doesn't even work, I sometimes (unless it would violate > a >> valid copyright law) use Shift/Print Screen, then paste into MSPaint or >> some other photo/graphics program, and save it as a .jpg file or similar >> for later transcription. >> >> Just a couple "tricks of the trade"... >> >> Jared >> >> > Not sure why this ranks as "a dirty trick." >> > >> > If you right click on the obituary, you can save it as a picture in >> > the >> > "My >> > Pictures" folder of your "My Documents" folder (in Windows), and >> > transcribe >> > it at you leisure later, or simply paste it as a picture into a page. >> > >> > Jay Underwood >> > Elmsdale >> > ------------------------ >> Jared "Jed" Handspicker >> [email protected] >> >> "Do your best; let God do the rest." >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> Basic List Commands: >> >> 1. To post to the list >> Send a message to: >> [email protected] >> >> 2. How to unsubscribe >> a. 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