Hi Scott: My guess is that she was named for her grandmother, Helena Elisabetha SCHLAGENTWEIT, but who knows. :-) -----Bob H----- On 6/7/2010 9:42 PM, Scott W. TEAL wrote: > Hi Bob, > > Let me offer some more food for thought on this: > > > IMO - Eleanor (Elenah / Alanna) might be other corruptions that you > will encounter......& Helena can be explained by the fact that they > sound the same. > > "Helena" makes sense since she was probably named for Helena Elisabeth > Haubold. > > If she was known as "Elisabeth", the "Anna / Hanna" can be explained > as it was """normal""" to throw Anna or Johann in front of a name EVEN > if the person was not given that as a name at birth. It was > arbitrarily applied. > > > Anyway - chances are "Helena Elisabeth" was her true name and the > other variants corruptions of it. > > - Scott. > > > --- On *Mon, 6/7/10, Bob Hegerich /<[email protected]>/* wrote: > > > From: Bob Hegerich <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Parents of Jacob MESINER b. 08 Jul 1833--Yours truly > comes clean > To: "Scott W. TEAL" <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 9:04 PM > > Hi Scott and all: > > AHA! > > Well, that's the third given name I have seen her by--she is > apparently > baptised as Helena Elizabeth, and in her father's will she is Eleanor > Elizabeth--thus upholding a fine old NS tradition (frequent name > changes). :-) > > So far, I think I have found a grand total of two children for > Helena/Eleanor/Hanna and Conrad--Sarah Ann b. 11 Apr 1831, whom I > cannot > find after her baptism, and John Jacob, b. 8 Jul 1833, who marries > Julianna NOWE and has at least seven children. > > If anyone knows of any more children, I'm all ears. :-) > > -----Bob H----- > > On 6/7/2010 8:10 PM, Scott W. TEAL wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > > > I'll share with you what I have after I looked at the original ZLL > > register. > > > > I have that "Hanna Elisabeth Fader" married Johannes Conrad > Meisner in > > 1829. > > > > Hanna Elisabeth was born Aug 12, 1802, daughter of Jacob Fader & > > Christianna Hirtle. > > > > Johannes Conrad Meisner (July 11, 1806) was the son of Johann > Conrad > > Meisner & Eve Marguerite Masson. > > > > I agree - Schauffelburg is not correct. > > > > > > Johann Valentin Schauffelberger married Helene Elisabeth Haubold > and > > this is most likely the woman in question here. The godmother > Helene > > Elisabeth Haubold (Schauffelberger) was entered instead of the > mother > > in the DS database, who was "Hanna Elisabeth Fader". > > > > > > > > - Scott > > > > --- On *Mon, 6/7/10, Bob Hegerich /<[email protected] > </mc/[email protected]>>/* wrote: > > > > > > From: Bob Hegerich <[email protected] > </mc/[email protected]>> > > Subject: RE: Parents of Jacob MESINER b. 08 Jul 1833--Yours > truly > > comes clean > > To: "[email protected] > </mc/[email protected]>" > <[email protected] </mc/[email protected]>>, > > "[email protected] > </mc/[email protected]>" > <[email protected] </mc/[email protected]>> > > Cc: "Teal, Scott" <[email protected] > </mc/[email protected]>> > > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 3:30 PM > > > > Hi All: > > > > Thanks to Jean Tavanaee, I have learned a few things I > didn't know > > when I posted the note below. So now, the question becomes even > > more interesting (at least to me). > > > > First the (apparent) facts: > > > > a. Here is Jacob MEISNER's birth record (again): > > > > > > "MEISNER","Jacob","B","1833-10-28","1833-12-24","ML","Caspar > & Cath",, > > > > b. From the LWT of Christina (HIRTLE) FADER 1770, wife of > > Johann Jacob FADER 1767, and from Lunenburg County land records, > > it is certain that Helena Elizabeth FADER, d/o Jacob and > > Christina, marries a Conrad MEISNER. > > > > c. From the following birth record, it would appear that a > > Conrad MEISNER marries one Helena Elizabeth SCHAUFFELBURG: > > > > "MEISNER","Sarah > Ann","B","1831-04-11","1831-04-17","ZLL","Conrad > > & Helene Eliz Schaufelberg",,"Valentine Schauffelberger" > > > > However, in poking around various sources (e.g., the 1871 > Census), > > I can come up with only one Conrad MEISNER who appears to > fit the > > total picture: > > > > "MEISNER","Conrad","B","1806-07-11","1806-07-11","ZLL","Conrad & > > Eva Margaret Masson",, > > > > And so, left to my own devices, I would most likely conclude > that > > somebody (whose initials may or may not be DS) mis-copied a > record > > and that, while Valentine SCHAUFFELBERG may well have sponsored > > Sarah Ann's baptism, his name accidentally got attached to the > > wife of Conrad MEISNER, which should be FADER, not > SCHAUFFLEBERG. > > > > Does anyone know something that might prove or disprove said > > conclusion? > > > > -----Bob H----- > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Paretns of Jacob MESINER b. 08 Jul 1833 > > Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:25:07 -0400 > > From: Bob Hegerich <[email protected] > </mc/[email protected]> > > </mc/[email protected] > </mc/[email protected]>>> > > To: [email protected] > </mc/[email protected]> > > </mc/[email protected] > </mc/[email protected]>> > > <[email protected] </mc/[email protected]> > > </mc/[email protected] > </mc/[email protected]>>>, > > [email protected] > </mc/[email protected]> > </mc/[email protected] > </mc/[email protected]>> > > <[email protected] > </mc/[email protected]> > </mc/[email protected] > </mc/[email protected]>>> > > > > > > > > Hi All: > > > > Here is the Shankle birth record for one Jacob MEISNER: > > > > > "MEISNER","Jacob","B","1833-07-08","1833-08-14","ZLL","Jacob& > Helene > > Eliz",,"Caspar Meisner& Cath" > > > > Can anyone ID his parents? > > > > -----Bob H----- > > > > > > > > > >