I told Richard an old friend that IF one person was of the Catholic faith and one Protestant faith and they wer married by an "Official" ie Justice of the Peace etc. That the marriage would have to be SOLEMINIZED by a priest in usually the brides church, but could also be the grooms and this solemization of vows would be entered into the records of the church which again the parish being in the home town of the Catholic individual ...The ceremony took effect "OTSIDE THE RAIL" only 2 Catholics could be married inside the altar rail.....IF one who was Protestant changed faith they both would be inside the rail I believe BUT most important is that the Catholic parish churches keep excellent records and also I think sent to a regional office....... I hope I explained this correctly ....Gil Bagley

Hello all I certainly have enjoyed the many comments, both yesterday and today, to my particular research situation involving the above subject. After a day yesterday of only a few responses, I awaken this morning to 12 additional. I'm not sure the waters have been muddied or any of these responses are off tract. In my opinion, be it what it may, some of these hypotheticals should only lead eventually to the facts/truth, and I think, all have to be considered. The facts will come, but only after some initial discussion. It appears that John MacLeod's response should rank high on our lists as a good explanation. I really do appreciate "all" your responses. I didn't expect as many replies. You are certainly a most energetic and educated group. Richard Hardwick (Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) RiHardwick@comcast.net

Howard - we are both right in our own way - the St. Paul's marriage records do indicate Frederick Mosher marrying Ruth Masters on Sept. 12, 1817 - BUT - I also see where Willoughby lists his mothers maiden name as Matthews from Yarmouth. Sooooo either one of the records has incorrect surname, OR there were two Frederick Moshers married in 1817 since marriage dates DO differ. Looks like we have a nice mystery to unravel. Keep in touch cuz, will be interesting to sort this out. <<According to the death record and the marriage record of their son John Henry her last name was Matthews and she was born in Yarmouth, N. S. I found out there was a Ruth Ann Matthews born in Yarmouth, N. S. in 1792, no other info. - Howard Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:57:58 -0300 From: "EASTERN SHORE" <easternshore@hotmail.com> Subject: [NS-L] FREDERICK MOSHER FOR H. BLAXLAND Howard - I have Frederick Mosher marrying Ruth Masters, on Sept. 12, 1817 at St. Paul's Church in Halifax. My source is the St. Paul's marriage records. I do not have him marrying a "Matthews" - if you have something to indicate my data incorrect, pls let me know. Hope this helps. Crafty .. ____________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Get the Kung Fu Bunny Theme pack free! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/Themes/Messenger/Reward/Default.aspx?Locale=en-CA#

I just had a similar situation with my great-grandparents, who were married in Meagher's Grant (Musquodoboit Valley, Halifax County) in 1881. The entry was in the Lunenburg County marriage registrations, instead of Halifax County. The entry stated the marriage took place in Musquodoboit, though. I've confirmed it was in Meagher's Grant. I can only conclude it was entered in the wrong county registration book. Daphne Hurst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hardwick" <RiHardwick@comcast.net> To: "NS ednet list" <NSroots@ednet.ns.ca>; "NOVA-SCOTIA" <NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:01 AM Subject: [NS-L] Fw: Marriage Solemnized - Continuing > > Hello again > > I just pulled up the 1911 Hants County census areas and there is no > locality in Hants county that is even near the spelling of what looks like > "Canning" that is in the Hants Book. Other marriages above and below this > one all show marriages in towns in Hants County. > > Just may remain a mystery. > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Hardwick > To: NS ednet list ; NOVA-SCOTIA > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:30 PM > Subject: Fw: Marriage Solemnized > > > Hello again > > I found the following after a "Google" search which explains solemnization > of marriages in Nova Scotia. However, it doesn't say anything about any > assumed reason that a "solemnized" Canning marriage (Kings County) is in > the Hants County book. > > Any ideas? > > Richard > ********************** > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11135a.htm > > XI. MARRIAGE LAWS > By the provisions of the British North America Act, the subject of > marriage and divorce is assigned to the Dominion Parliament, and that of > the solemnization of marriage to the legislature of the province. The > former body, under this distribution deals with the capacity to contract > marriage, and in pursuance of such power it has enacted (R. S. C., c. 105) > that "a marriage is not invalid merely because the woman is a sister of a > deceased wife of the man, or a daughter of a sister of a deceased wife of > the man". The provincial statute (R. S. N. S., 1900, c. 111) deals with > the mode of solemnizing a marriage within the province. It provides that > every marriage shall be solemnized by a minister of a church or religious > denomination, being a man and resident in Canada, who is recognized as > duly ordained according to the rites and ceremonies of the church or > denomination to which he belongs. Persons belonging to the society known > as the Salvation Army may be married by any duly ap! > pointed male commissioner or staff officer of the society. No person shall > officiate at the solemnization of any marriage unless publication has been > made of the banns of the marriage or a licence has been obtained for the > solemnization of the marriage. The banns shall be published in any church > at the place in which one of the parties resides by the officiating > clergyman in an audible voice during the time of Divine service, and if > there is more than one public service in the church on each Sunday, such > publication shall be made at three several services held on two or more > Sundays; otherwise the publication may be at two several services on two > Sundays. Every marriage shall be solemnized in the presence of at least > two witnesses. After the solemnization of the marriage the clergyman > solemnizing the same shall make out a certificate containing the date of > the marriage, the place thereof, the date of the publication of the banns, > the church in which and the clergyman by who! > m the banns were published, the names of the witnesses and his own nam > e, and the religious denomination to which he belongs. The marriage > register giving the above particulars, and also the names, ages, > residences, etc., of the parties and their parents shall also be filled > up. Returns in the prescribed form shall be made by the clergyman to the > nearest issuer of marriage licences within ten days after the > solemnization. Forms for that purpose are furnished by the issuer of > marriage licences. Large penalties are provided for solemnizing marriage > without banns of marriage or licence, for refusing to publish the banns, > for solemnizing under an illegal licence, and for failing to return the > marriage register. > > > From: Richard Hardwick > To: NS ednet list ; NOVA-SCOTIA > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:31 PM > Subject: Marriage Solemnized > > > Hello all > > At the new NS website I found a Jonathan RAND=Rebecca J HARDWICK marriage > of 1869 (Rebecca was a widow, being born McLATCHEY.) Anyway, according to > the "Marriages Solemnized in the County of HANTS" their entry is entered > in the HANTS book. > > Now, the question is - It looks like the city where they married is > Canning. At least it looks like Canning. Hard to read!! And Canning > is in Kings County. They married in 1869 which is long after Kings and > Hants divided into separate counties, right, or am I going on incorrect > info? It indicates that Jonathan was born in Cornwallis, which also is in > Kings County. > > What does "solemnization" mean with respect to these entries? Is it > possible to have married in Kings County and then get a marriage > "solemnized" in Hants County? > > Little confused on this one. > > Thanks > > Richard Hardwick > > (Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, > ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) > RiHardwick@comcast.net > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. 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MANY, MANY thanks to George for posting the below. Pam Message: 10 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:03:07 -0300 From: George Newbury <georgen@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: [NS-L] KINSLOW, Clara Elizabeth Hann - d. Feb 8, 1991 NS To: NOVA SCOTIA <NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <462446FB.1090008@ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Monday, February 11, 1991...The Mail-Star, Halifax, N.S. CLARA E. KINSLOW KINSLOW, Clara Elizabeth - 68, 12 Major Avenue, Halifax, died Friday at Halifax Infirmary. Born in Burgeo, Nfld., she was a daughter of the late Arthur and Emily Jane (Keeping) Hann. She was a member of Young at Heart Club of the Golden Age Social Centre, Spryfield. She is survived by two daughters, Jane (Mrs. George Brine), Hillsvale; Shirley Lee, at home; a brother, Hebert, Prince Edward Island; two sisters, Mrs. Gordon Dicks, Lower Sackville; Mrs. Lottie Dicks, Fairview; three grandchildren; a great-grandson. She was predeceased by her husband, Cecil; two brothers, Lewis, John; and infant sister, Violet. The body is in J. Albert Walker Funeral Home, Halifax. Funeral 2 p.m. today in Emmanuel Anglican Church, Spryfield, Rev. James Purchase officating. Burial will be in Fairview Cemetery. Donations may be made to Anglican Church Memorial Fund, or Golden Age Social Centre Memorial Fund. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Monday, August 11, 1975...The Mail-Star, Halifax, N.S. MRS. ARTHUR W. ELKINS Mrs. Arthur William Elkins, 72, of 6420 Roslyn Road, Halifax died Sunday at home. Born in Halifax, she was the former Mary Emily Marriott, a daughter of the late James and Maude (Keddy) Marriott. Surviving are a daughter, Wilena (Mrs. Gordon Blinks), Halifax; four sisters, Martha (Mrs. Frank Conroy), Hackensack, N.J.; Isabel (Mrs. William Rowe), Bedford; Florence (Mrs. Bernard Loye), Halifax; Kathleen (Mrs. Charles McKay), Dartmouth; a brother, Stanford A. Marriott, Lower Sackville. She was predeceased by her husband, two half-sisters, and a half-brother. The body is at the R. D. Lindsay Funeral Home, Halifax. Funeral service will be held Tuesday at 2 p.m. in St. Phillip's Anglican Church, Rev. David Lee officating. Interment in the Fairview Cemetery.

Tuesday, December 22, 1964...The Chronicle-Herald, Halifax, N.S. DEATHS - Major General W. H. P. ELKINS, C.B. C.R.C. D.S.O. Suddenly at the Kingston General Hospital on Monday, December 21, 1964. Major General William H. P. Elkins in his 83rd year. Beloved husband of Phyllis Shortt and dear father of Mrs. John Bovey, and Mrs. James Cronyn. Resting at his late residence, 3 Emily Street, Kingston, Ontario. Funeral Notice later. - Tuesday, December 22, 1964...The Mail-Star, Halifax, N.S. MAJOR GENERAL ELKINS DIES IN ONTARIO, 82. Major General William H. P. Elkins, the man primary responsible for guarding Canada's Atlantic seaboard against enemy action during the Second World War, died yesterday in Kingston, Ontario, at the age of 82. It was in August - 1940, that General Elkins was named general officer commanding Canada's newly formed Atlantic Command. His authority extended to all three services and took in the entire coastline of Canada, and then separated Newfoundland. In 1943 General Elkins reached mandatory retirement age, and was assigned to the position of deputy administrator of Canada's Atlantic ports. Born in Sherbrooke, Que., he graduated from the Royal Military Collage in Kingston, Ont., in 1905, and became an artillery officer. He served in Canada and India until the outbreak of the First World War. AWARDED DSO From 1915 to 1918, he served in France and Flanders, receiving battle-field promotion to the rank of Lieutenant-colonel. He commanded a brigade of Royal Canadian Horse Artillery, was three times mentioned in dispatches, and in 1918 was awarded the Distinguished Service Order and Bar. General Elkins was artillery staff officer at National Defence Hqts., in Ottawa from 1926 to 1930 when he was appointed commandant of the Royal Military Collage. In 1935 he was made a Commander of the British Empire. Promoted to the rank of Major General, in 1938 he became Master General of Ordance in Ottawa a promotion he held until he was appointed to Halifax in 1940. Since his retirement, General Elkins had resided in Kingston, Ont. He is survived by his wife, the former Phyllis Shortt, and by two daughters, Mrs. John Bovey, and Mrs. James Cronyn.

My maternal grandmother, originally from West Berlin, Nova Scotia, was married at age 14 in 1892 but in Bucksport, Maine. [Nochildren until 1900] Muriel ----- Original Message ----- Hi Donna: Today the law is: Nova Scotia >From CRC/C/83/Add. 6 of 12 March 2003 1302. The Solemnization of Marriage Act requires a license from all persons who wish to be married and to obtain a license a person must be 19. A person under 19 but over the age of 16 may marry with parental consent. Marriages of persons under the age of 16 shall not be solemnized without special application to a judge of the Family Court who must make a determination that it is expedient and in the interests of the parties to authorize solemnization of the marriage. I can't find a suitable reference for the 1840's but am fairly certain that the age was lower. Certainly any 18-year old unmarried female was considered to be a spinster. :-) -----Bob H----- ----- Original Message ----- From: <Shalegreen@aol.com> To: <NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: [NS-L] Marrage age question > "In the 1840's" Does anyone know if there is a age you must be to be in > order to get married with out parents permission in Nova Scotia? I > thought I > read on this e mail sight you had to be 21 or else have written > permission from > your parents. Is this right? > Thanks for any help > Donna Robar > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. Subscribe to Digest mode > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/764 - Release Date: 4/17/2007 > 4:43 AM > > ---------------------------------------- Basic List Commands: 1. To post to the list Send a message to: NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com 2. How to unsubscribe a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word unsubscribe b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word unsubscribe 3. How to subscribe Send an email containing only the word subscribe to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com 4. How to change to Digest mode a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) b. Subscribe to Digest mode Send an email containing only the word subscribe to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hegerich" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Marrage age question > I can't find a suitable reference for the 1840's but am fairly certain > that > the age was lower. Certainly any 18-year old unmarried female was > considered > to be a spinster. :-) Sorry but I believe that is wrong Bob. It was 21y. Was 21 in all of Canada I believe up until fairly recent times - at least post-1970 I would say in the majority of the provinces. Our laws are based on British law and quite different than the USA. Quebec may have been the only exception. Same as voting, drinking etc ... you had to be 21y. Don't confuse Nova Scotia with Scotland and/or Scotland with England. In Scotland a female only had to be 14 and a male 16, if I recall rightly. Know it was much lower than in England, but over here we followed English law. One of my great-grandfathers was under 21 when he married in 1892 Halifax County NS. Bride was 22y. He had to obtain permission; she did not. Toni

----- Original Message ----- From: "muriel m davidson" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Marrage age question > > The age of marriage was 21 -- unless written permission of > parents or a special form that was signed. > This is not an OLD custom -- I remember my husband and I > signed consent forms for both of my stepdaughters mid 1960. > They were Down Home in Nova Scotia - we were in Ontario. Same with me in 1966 and my parents were also in Ontario, whilst I was in Nova Scotia. On top of that, both my husband and I also had to get permission to wed from our respective Chiefs, Divisional Officers and Commanding Officers. My husband was 24y old at the time. Assume in his case it was due to him serving abroad (with the Royal Navy), in a 'foreign' country. Toni ~ Ontario

Hi Donna: Today the law is: Nova Scotia >From CRC/C/83/Add. 6 of 12 March 2003 1302. The Solemnization of Marriage Act requires a license from all persons who wish to be married and to obtain a license a person must be 19. A person under 19 but over the age of 16 may marry with parental consent. Marriages of persons under the age of 16 shall not be solemnized without special application to a judge of the Family Court who must make a determination that it is expedient and in the interests of the parties to authorize solemnization of the marriage. I can't find a suitable reference for the 1840's but am fairly certain that the age was lower. Certainly any 18-year old unmarried female was considered to be a spinster. :-) -----Bob H----- ----- Original Message ----- From: <Shalegreen@aol.com> To: <NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: [NS-L] Marrage age question > "In the 1840's" Does anyone know if there is a age you must be to be in > order to get married with out parents permission in Nova Scotia? I > thought I > read on this e mail sight you had to be 21 or else have written > permission from > your parents. Is this right? > Thanks for any help > Donna Robar > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. Subscribe to Digest mode > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/764 - Release Date: 4/17/2007 > 4:43 AM > >

Hello again Just an update from a several responders. Possible scenarios: (1) It may have been that the members of this marriage were part of a religious sect that only had their "official" minister available in Hants County where they traveled from the "other" county of marriage (be it Kings or Halifax) to Hants County to get their marriage "official" solemnized. (2) Or it could have been that one member of the wedding party was born in Hants county while the other member was born/married elsewhere. For the Halifax County marriage that shows up on the Hants County books, it appears that the husband was born in Kings County while it doesn't indicate where the wife was born. Maybe she was born in Hants County? And therefore was listed in Hants after marriage? (3) For the Kings County marriage that shows up on the Hants County books, the husband was also born in Kings County, and again, it doesn't indicate where the wife was born. In each of these marriages, the wife was also residing in Kings County at time of marriage. Could this wife have been born in Hants County as well? (4) If this is the case in (2) and (3) above, the next question ought to be - Why are these 2 marriages not listed in the Halifax Book or the Kings County Book? Only found in the Hants County Book. (5) Further ideas welcomed Richard ***************************************************** Hello again I just pulled up the 1911 Hants County census areas and there is no locality in Hants county that is even near the spelling of what looks like "Canning" that is in the Hants Book. Other marriages above and below this one all show marriages in towns in Hants County. Just may remain a mystery. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Hardwick To: NS ednet list ; NOVA-SCOTIA Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: Fw: Marriage Solemnized Hello again I found the following after a "Google" search which explains solemnization of marriages in Nova Scotia. However, it doesn't say anything about any assumed reason that a "solemnized" Canning marriage (Kings County) is in the Hants County book. Any ideas? Richard ********************** http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11135a.htm XI. MARRIAGE LAWS By the provisions of the British North America Act, the subject of marriage and divorce is assigned to the Dominion Parliament, and that of the solemnization of marriage to the legislature of the province. The former body, under this distribution deals with the capacity to contract marriage, and in pursuance of such power it has enacted (R. S. C., c. 105) that "a marriage is not invalid merely because the woman is a sister of a deceased wife of the man, or a daughter of a sister of a deceased wife of the man". The provincial statute (R. S. N. S., 1900, c. 111) deals with the mode of solemnizing a marriage within the province. It provides that every marriage shall be solemnized by a minister of a church or religious denomination, being a man and resident in Canada, who is recognized as duly ordained according to the rites and ceremonies of the church or denomination to which he belongs. Persons belonging to the society known as the Salvation Army may be married by any duly appointed male commissioner or staff officer of the society. No person shall officiate at the solemnization of any marriage unless publication has been made of the banns of the marriage or a licence has been obtained for the solemnization of the marriage. The banns shall be published in any church at the place in which one of the parties resides by the officiating clergyman in an audible voice during the time of Divine service, and if there is more than one public service in the church on each Sunday, such publication shall be made at three several services held on two or more Sundays; otherwise the publication may be at two several services on two Sundays. Every marriage shall be solemnized in the presence of at least two witnesses. After the solemnization of the marriage the clergyman solemnizing the same shall make out a certificate containing the date of the marriage, the place thereof, the date of the publication of the banns, the church in which and the clergyman by whom the banns were published, the names of the witnesses and his own name, and the religious denomination to which he belongs. The marriage register giving the above particulars, and also the names, ages, residences, etc., of the parties and their parents shall also be filled up. Returns in the prescribed form shall be made by the clergyman to the nearest issuer of marriage licences within ten days after the solemnization. Forms for that purpose are furnished by the issuer of marriage licences. Large penalties are provided for solemnizing marriage without banns of marriage or licence, for refusing to publish the banns, for solemnizing under an illegal licence, and for failing to return the marriage register. From: Richard Hardwick To: NS ednet list ; NOVA-SCOTIA Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Marriage Solemnized Hello all At the new NS website I found a Jonathan RAND=Rebecca J HARDWICK marriage of 1869 (Rebecca was a widow, being born McLATCHEY.) Anyway, according to the "Marriages Solemnized in the County of HANTS" their entry is entered in the HANTS book. Now, the question is - It looks like the city where they married is Canning. At least it looks like Canning. Hard to read!! And Canning is in Kings County. They married in 1869 which is long after Kings and Hants divided into separate counties, right, or am I going on incorrect info? It indicates that Jonathan was born in Cornwallis, which also is in Kings County. What does "solemnization" mean with respect to these entries? Is it possible to have married in Kings County and then get a marriage "solemnized" in Hants County? Little confused on this one. Thanks Richard Hardwick (Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) RiHardwick@comcast.net

To all -- The age of marriage was 21 -- unless written permission of parents or a special form that was signed. This is not an OLD custom -- I remember my husband and I signed consent forms for both of my stepdaughters mid 1960. They were Down Home in Nova Scotia - we were in Ontario. Muriel M. Davidson ----- Original Message ----- From: <Shalegreen@aol.com> To: <NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: [NS-L] Marrage age question "In the 1840's" Does anyone know if there is a age you must be to be in order to get married with out parents permission in Nova Scotia? I thought I read on this e mail sight you had to be 21 or else have written permission from your parents. Is this right? Thanks for any help Donna Robar ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ---------------------------------------- Basic List Commands: 1. To post to the list Send a message to: NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com 2. How to unsubscribe a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word unsubscribe b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word unsubscribe 3. How to subscribe Send an email containing only the word subscribe to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com 4. How to change to Digest mode a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) b. Subscribe to Digest mode Send an email containing only the word subscribe to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"In the 1840's" Does anyone know if there is a age you must be to be in order to get married with out parents permission in Nova Scotia? I thought I read on this e mail sight you had to be 21 or else have written permission from your parents. Is this right? Thanks for any help Donna Robar ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I think you have a little problem. William G. Rundle's marriage to Mary Waddin, lists his parents as William and Eliza Rundle. The Samuel Rundle who dies in 1921 (a native of England) married a woman named Mary Ann Hale, a widow, in 1878. Her maiden mane was Taylor. They had children, William Thomas, Hortense, Evelyn, etc.

Doing some research on the Rundle's of Nova Scotia specifically one Samuel Rundle b. circa 1853 d. circa 1921 at approx. 63 years of age. He was married to a Margaret (Last Name Unknown) and had 6 children. William George Rundle m. Mary Jane Wadden Jesse Rundle Thomas Rundle Elizie Rundle Hortence Rundle If anyone could help with a prod in the right direction that would be great. The problem is with Samuel Not his children Thanks

HI I have posted in the past but have received new info. Grandmother- Mary Demark(maiden name) Married names Fisher & Dorion she had 3 sisters- Annie Demark, Alberta Demark, third sister (twin of Alberta) died young, one brother Billy Demark. Mothers name (Great grandmother) Sarah Demark (married name) maiden name unknown, as well as my great grandfathers. so I am trying to find out his first name, and what my great grandmothers maiden name was. I know they came over on a boat, from England. My grandmother was born in 1890 in Yarmouth NS. I have tried to look in the census in Yarmouth NS for the 1891, but nothing listed. any help, or direction would be greatly appreciated. Kim in Ontario

Hello again I just pulled up the 1911 Hants County census areas and there is no locality in Hants county that is even near the spelling of what looks like "Canning" that is in the Hants Book. Other marriages above and below this one all show marriages in towns in Hants County. Just may remain a mystery. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Hardwick To: NS ednet list ; NOVA-SCOTIA Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: Fw: Marriage Solemnized Hello again I found the following after a "Google" search which explains solemnization of marriages in Nova Scotia. However, it doesn't say anything about any assumed reason that a "solemnized" Canning marriage (Kings County) is in the Hants County book. Any ideas? Richard ********************** http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11135a.htm XI. MARRIAGE LAWS By the provisions of the British North America Act, the subject of marriage and divorce is assigned to the Dominion Parliament, and that of the solemnization of marriage to the legislature of the province. The former body, under this distribution deals with the capacity to contract marriage, and in pursuance of such power it has enacted (R. S. C., c. 105) that "a marriage is not invalid merely because the woman is a sister of a deceased wife of the man, or a daughter of a sister of a deceased wife of the man". The provincial statute (R. S. N. S., 1900, c. 111) deals with the mode of solemnizing a marriage within the province. It provides that every marriage shall be solemnized by a minister of a church or religious denomination, being a man and resident in Canada, who is recognized as duly ordained according to the rites and ceremonies of the church or denomination to which he belongs. Persons belonging to the society known as the Salvation Army may be married by any duly appointed male commissioner or staff officer of the society. No person shall officiate at the solemnization of any marriage unless publication has been made of the banns of the marriage or a licence has been obtained for the solemnization of the marriage. The banns shall be published in any church at the place in which one of the parties resides by the officiating clergyman in an audible voice during the time of Divine service, and if there is more than one public service in the church on each Sunday, such publication shall be made at three several services held on two or more Sundays; otherwise the publication may be at two several services on two Sundays. Every marriage shall be solemnized in the presence of at least two witnesses. After the solemnization of the marriage the clergyman solemnizing the same shall make out a certificate containing the date of the marriage, the place thereof, the date of the publication of the banns, the church in which and the clergyman by whom the banns were published, the names of the witnesses and his own name, and the religious denomination to which he belongs. The marriage register giving the above particulars, and also the names, ages, residences, etc., of the parties and their parents shall also be filled up. Returns in the prescribed form shall be made by the clergyman to the nearest issuer of marriage licences within ten days after the solemnization. Forms for that purpose are furnished by the issuer of marriage licences. Large penalties are provided for solemnizing marriage without banns of marriage or licence, for refusing to publish the banns, for solemnizing under an illegal licence, and for failing to return the marriage register. From: Richard Hardwick To: NS ednet list ; NOVA-SCOTIA Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Marriage Solemnized Hello all At the new NS website I found a Jonathan RAND=Rebecca J HARDWICK marriage of 1869 (Rebecca was a widow, being born McLATCHEY.) Anyway, according to the "Marriages Solemnized in the County of HANTS" their entry is entered in the HANTS book. Now, the question is - It looks like the city where they married is Canning. At least it looks like Canning. Hard to read!! And Canning is in Kings County. They married in 1869 which is long after Kings and Hants divided into separate counties, right, or am I going on incorrect info? It indicates that Jonathan was born in Cornwallis, which also is in Kings County. What does "solemnization" mean with respect to these entries? Is it possible to have married in Kings County and then get a marriage "solemnized" in Hants County? Little confused on this one. Thanks Richard Hardwick (Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) RiHardwick@comcast.net

Hi Bob, Mary Catherine Henley was the dau of Cornelius Henley and Sarah Ann Logan. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hegerich [mailto:bobh36@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:46 AM To: Inewf@aol.com; cjnaugle@ns.sympatico.ca; NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Veniot - Veinot Hi Iris: I think I must have been asleep at the switch and missed something I shouldn't have. I just peeked in my file and I see that I have both Ephraim VEINOT and Gladys VEINOT (who is a SLAUENWHITE descendant by way of her mother, Mary Ellen SMITH). And while I have 12 children for Ephraim and Mary Ellen, I seem to be sadly lacking in the way of information on the spouses and descendants of said children. Anything anyone could do to clue me in on any of same would be much appreciated. -----Bob H----- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Jacobs" <thegenie@patmedia.net> To: <Inewf@aol.com>; <bobh36@cox.net>; <cjnaugle@ns.sympatico.ca>; <NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:28 AM Subject: Veniot - Veinot > > I also have distant family who married into my Webber family by the > name of Veinot from Laurencetown, Lunenburg County, New Burn if this > is familiar to anyone. > > Diane Jacobs > Somerset, NJ > > -----Original Message----- > From: nova-scotia-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nova-scotia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Inewf@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:19 PM > To: bobh36@cox.net; cjnaugle@ns.sympatico.ca; > NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NS-L] OOPS: Who was her mother and father. > > My Great-Grandfather, Ephraim Veniot, is a descendant of Christophe(r) > Veniot... Ephraim's daughter, Gladys Viola Veniot is my grandmother. > > Iris Woodworth-Watson > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.3.0/758 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 > 11:52 AM > >

Hello again I found the following after a "Google" search which explains solemnization of marriages in Nova Scotia. However, it doesn't say anything about any assumed reason that a "solemnized" Canning marriage (Kings County) is in the Hants County book. Any ideas? Richard ********************** http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11135a.htm XI. MARRIAGE LAWS By the provisions of the British North America Act, the subject of marriage and divorce is assigned to the Dominion Parliament, and that of the solemnization of marriage to the legislature of the province. The former body, under this distribution deals with the capacity to contract marriage, and in pursuance of such power it has enacted (R. S. C., c. 105) that "a marriage is not invalid merely because the woman is a sister of a deceased wife of the man, or a daughter of a sister of a deceased wife of the man". The provincial statute (R. S. N. S., 1900, c. 111) deals with the mode of solemnizing a marriage within the province. It provides that every marriage shall be solemnized by a minister of a church or religious denomination, being a man and resident in Canada, who is recognized as duly ordained according to the rites and ceremonies of the church or denomination to which he belongs. Persons belonging to the society known as the Salvation Army may be married by any duly appointed male commissioner or staff officer of the society. No person shall officiate at the solemnization of any marriage unless publication has been made of the banns of the marriage or a licence has been obtained for the solemnization of the marriage. The banns shall be published in any church at the place in which one of the parties resides by the officiating clergyman in an audible voice during the time of Divine service, and if there is more than one public service in the church on each Sunday, such publication shall be made at three several services held on two or more Sundays; otherwise the publication may be at two several services on two Sundays. Every marriage shall be solemnized in the presence of at least two witnesses. After the solemnization of the marriage the clergyman solemnizing the same shall make out a certificate containing the date of the marriage, the place thereof, the date of the publication of the banns, the church in which and the clergyman by whom the banns were published, the names of the witnesses and his own name, and the religious denomination to which he belongs. The marriage register giving the above particulars, and also the names, ages, residences, etc., of the parties and their parents shall also be filled up. Returns in the prescribed form shall be made by the clergyman to the nearest issuer of marriage licences within ten days after the solemnization. Forms for that purpose are furnished by the issuer of marriage licences. Large penalties are provided for solemnizing marriage without banns of marriage or licence, for refusing to publish the banns, for solemnizing under an illegal licence, and for failing to return the marriage register. From: Richard Hardwick To: NS ednet list ; NOVA-SCOTIA Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Marriage Solemnized Hello all At the new NS website I found a Jonathan RAND=Rebecca J HARDWICK marriage of 1869 (Rebecca was a widow, being born McLATCHEY.) Anyway, according to the "Marriages Solemnized in the County of HANTS" their entry is entered in the HANTS book. Now, the question is - It looks like the city where they married is Canning. At least it looks like Canning. Hard to read!! And Canning is in Kings County. They married in 1869 which is long after Kings and Hants divided into separate counties, right, or am I going on incorrect info? It indicates that Jonathan was born in Cornwallis, which also is in Kings County. What does "solemnization" mean with respect to these entries? Is it possible to have married in Kings County and then get a marriage "solemnized" in Hants County? Little confused on this one. Thanks Richard Hardwick (Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) RiHardwick@comcast.net