Hi Liz Here is the Lost at Sea site . I don't know why they keep changing it but, thanks to Kevin Podgursky for sending me that link of Wayback machine http://www.archive.org/index.php to look up the site. in which I was able to find it on that . I did have it bookmarked. http://web.archive.org/web/20011125174009/www.lostatsea.ca Carolyn

A couple of notes. The marriage record of William to Margaret Porter lists his parents as Abraham and Sarah. Margaret's death record lists her parents as Daniel Porter and Carolyn Purchase. There is a marriage for William and Margaret's daughter Ina May Mattix in 1928.

Hi Duncan and Joyce, I am also researching a MacInnis line that settled in the Skye Geln area as well. This family immigrated aboard the Saint Lawrence ship in 1828. They were from the Isle of Rum, Scotland and arrived at Ship Harbour, NS. The passenger list includes a Jessie MacInnism so I am not sure if this may assist you Duncan. The information from the 1828 passenger list including the ages of the folks at this time are: Lauchlin, 55 Mary, 48 Penny, 25 Allan, 23 Hector, 21 Mary, 19 Donald, 17 Mary, 10 Flory, 8 Jessie, 6 I would be very interested in hearing from you if you think you may be related to this group. Thanks ! Sherri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Beaton" <d.beaton@ns.sympatico.ca> To: <NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: [NS-L] Fw: [NS-CB] Mac Innis > > Subject: Re: [NS-CB] Mac Innis > > >> hi joyce, >> >> When I see Skye Glen, I get really interested. >> >> I am not sure how to reply on the cape breton "net", so will send this to >> you and also try to answer on the net, >> anyway, I have been doing a little research on the Beaton families of >> Skye > Glen, and, >> have some info on these families when they left Isle of Skye in 1830 and >> and sailed to cape Breton >> on the Malay or Malory. some of the original settlers of Skye Gen were >> Mac >> Innis. >> >> I have the original ships passenger list which has 4 Mac innis families >> listed, no one named james, a few named John. >> one settler to Skye Glen was Miles, wife Mary with children Cursty, > John, >> Flora. >> >> My great grandfather John Beaton( referred to as Little John) , was > born >> in Skye Glen in 1836, married a Jessie Campbell. >> >> His older brother, oddly , also name John (referred to as Big John) was >> born in Skye Glen in 1833, >> married a Jessie (Janet) Mac Innis. This family were life long residents > of >> Skye Glen, would you have any info in your >> findings on this Jessie? >> >> If you would like the names of the other Mac Innis passengers, or the >> bit >> of info I have on Miles Mac Innis >> I can pass this along. >> >> Duncan Beaton >> Dartmouth N.S. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <RMSudbury@aol.com> >> To: <NS-CAPE-BRETON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:00 PM >> Subject: [NS-CB] Mac Innis >> >> >> > I am looking for the parent's of >> > >> > Archhibald Mac Innis, b. August 17, 1855, Whycocomugh or Skye Glenn, > Cape >> > Breton. >> > >> > His father is believed to be James Mac Innis, b. abt. 1811, Scotland >> > >> > Archibald married Dorcas Brown, b. April 22, 1870, Gays River, Nova >> Scotia. >> > >> > I would appreciate any information you may be able to share with me. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Joyce Mac Innis >> > >> > >> > >> > ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NS-CAPE-BRETON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 51 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. Subscribe to Digest mode > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wednesday, April 16, 1969...The Chronicle-Herald, Halifax, N.S. GUY SMITH Guy Smith, 71, of Oakland, died at the Fishermen's Memorial Hospital, in Lunenburg. He is survived by his wife, Ruby, of Beech Hill; two sons, Milladge, Ottawa; Richard, Oromocto, N.B.; two daughters, Jane, Halifax; and Iris (Mrs. Blake Pelton), Waterville; two sisters, Daisy Shane, City Island, N.Y.; Ann Hirtle, Lunenburg; eight grandchildren. The body is at Mahone's Funeral Home, Mahone Bay. Service will be held Wednesday at 2 p.m. at St. James Anglican Church, Rev. Austin Munro officating. Burial will be at Park Cemetery, Mahone Bay. - SMITH, Guy W. M. - 1897 - 1969

On 18 Apr 2007 at 8:48, bob gillis wrote: Hi Bob, > Kim Hay wrote: > > > > Grandmother- Mary Demark(maiden name) Married names Fisher & Dorion > > she had 3 sisters- Annie Demark, Alberta Demark, third sister (twin > > of Alberta) died young, one brother Billy Demark. > > There is no marriage of a Mary Demark in Nova Scotia on > https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/ Yes spent over 2 hours trying to find that, she also went by Sylvia , which is on her headstone, in Cornwall Ontario- have pictures. > Most of the Dorion Marriages are in Cumberland County Dorion, was the 2nd marriage, happened in Montreal. > There is a marriage of an Annie Demark in 1908 but it is in Cumberland > County Thhis could be her sister, any other info on parents, sisters, brother etc? > > Mothers name (Great grandmother) Sarah Demark (married name) maiden > > name unknown, as well as my great grandfathers. > > There is a death of a Sarah Demarko in Springhill Cumberland county would you have a year? > There are 4 Demarks in the 1881 British Census but no Sarah Sarah, may have been single when coming to NS, my grandfather, of Demark may have come over on the boat, > What is your sources for this information? > > > My grandmother was born in 1890 in Yarmouth NS. > Again what is your source? My aunt, and the headstone at the cemetary, and I did take pictures of the death certificate. thanks for all your info. Kim

Hi I noticed the emails and some of the names looked a little familar, upon review my wife's family "Mattix" I have notice some information that appears to be close. Remember my information is coming from the Mattix side of this family and it appears you are looking form the Demark side of the family but always willing to exchange information if it helps solve some of the brick walls that are hard to break through. It appears that that Arbraham Mattix was married twice and Sara Jane Murray was married twice, thus being one of the reason I have been unable to determine who are thier children. Any additional information of the Mattix's children would always be welcomed. Willaim Murray Mattix married to Phyllis Almeda Rushton would be my wifes grandparents. Descendants of SARA JANE MURRAY Generation No. 1 1. SARA JANE1 MURRAY was born Abt. 1861. She married (1) ABRAHAM MATTIX October 15, 1877 in ALMA, NB. He was born Abt. 1836. She married (2) FRANK DEMARKS . (ABRAHAM MATTIX was previously married to MARGARET ANN BRADFORD September 10, 1857.) Marriage Notes for SARA MURRAY and ABRAHAM MATTIX: MARRIAGES 1846 - 1887 ALBERT COUNTY NB - NB ARCHIVES - MICROFILM #'S F-15474. Registration #1679, October 15, 1877, Mattax, Abraham & Morry, Sarah T., both of Alma Parish. Text taken from Microfilm F-15474; Registration #1679 - Mattax and Morry - "This certifies that the rite of holy matermony was celebrated between Abraham Mattax and Sarah T. Morry both of the Parish of Alma, County of Albert, on the fifteen day of October eighteen hundred and seventy seven, by me, Soleman Smith, Baptist Minister. Witnessess: Charly F. Bennett and Mina Foster. Registered December 31, 1877, S.J. Mosse, Cleak Peace. (Based on the poor writing it is possible that Sarah T. Morry could be Sarah J. Murry.) Vital Statistic from the NB Newspapers Volume 43 - 1877 - 1878 - Located in the the NB Archives. Ext taken from the "Post" Chigecto Post from Sackville on October 25, 1877 - M. 14th inst., by Rev. S. Smith, Abraham Mattox / Miss Sarah T. Mary both of Alma (Albert Co.). Same place but Volume 41- Ext taken from the "Daily Telegraph" from Saint John, NB. October 27, 1877 - M., Alma, 14th inst., by Rev. S. Smith, Abraham Mattix \ Miss Sarah T. Mary both of Alms (Albert Co.). Child of SARA MURRAY and ABRAHAM MATTIX is: 2. i. WILLIAM MURRAY2 MATTIX, b. November 05, 1887, MAPLE MOUNTAIN, ALBERT COUNTY, NEW BRUNSWICK; d. November 11, 1971, PUGWASH NS. Generation No. 2 2. WILLIAM MURRAY2 MATTIX (SARA JANE1 MURRAY) was born November 05, 1887 in MAPLE MOUNTAIN, ALBERT COUNTY, NEW BRUNSWICK, and died November 11, 1971 in PUGWASH NS. He married MARGARET PORTER June 14, 1906 in SPRINGHILL NS. She was born December 09, 1877 in AMHERST NS, and died May 14, 1953 in SPRINGHILL NS. Notes for WILLIAM MURRAY MATTIX: I have reason to believe that Abraham Mattix and William Murray Mattix were brothers and not father and son as orginal thought. Died from a Stroke. Notes for MARGARET PORTER: Daughter of Daniel & Caroline Porter. Died from a Stroke. Children of WILLIAM MATTIX and MARGARET PORTER are: i. WILLIAM ABRAHAM3 MATTIX, b. December 03, 1907, SPRINGHILL NS; d. July 07, 1971, SPRINGHILL NS; m. PHYLLIS ALMEDA RUSHTON, August 10, 1927, SPRINGHILL NS; b. December 27, 1907; d. June 17, 1988, SPRINGHILL NS. Notes for WILLIAM ABRAHAM MATTIX: Coal miner, died of a heart attack. WILLIAM ABRAHAM MATTIX William Abraham Mattix, 63 of 4 Maple Street, passed away in All Saints Hospital on July 7th, following an illness of some two months. His death case as a shock to his family and friends. The son of William M. Mattix and the late Mrs. Mattix, he was born in Springhill on December 3, 1907. He received his early education in the local schools and accepted employment in the coal mines. On August 10th, 1927 he took as his bride, Phyllis Rushton of Westchester, Cumberland County, NS. Besides his father, he leaves to mourn his passing, his wife, five sons and one daughter: Ronald Mattix, Toronto; Darell Mattix, Oromocto, NB; Douglas, Kenneth, Glendon and Brenda (Mrs. Gorman Porter), all of Springhill. Also surviving are 20 grandchildren. Three sons, Ralph, Donald and Harold, predeceased him. He was a man who enjoyed hunting and fishing. The remains rested in Brown's Funeral Home where many friends paid their respects. The funeral service was conducted in the funeral home on Saturday, July 10th at 2 PM, by Rev. Harold Weston of Amherst, who was assisted by the church choir which sang the hymns "Abide With Me" and "God Be With You Till We Meet Again". Friday evening the RAOB held their memorial service at the funeral home. Interment was in the Millvale Cemetery. Pallbearers were Messr. Donald Porter, Newt McArthur, John Powell, Norman MacDonald, John Brown and Neil Noiles. Ralp Merritt and Roy Jewkes were in charge of the flower car. The many beautiful floral and other tributes were as follows: Pillow - wife; Broken Heart - daughter Brenda, Junior and grandchildren; Casket Spray - Doug, Judy and family; Darell, Carol and family; Ken, Audrey and family; grandson Carl and Ann; Container - Glen, Isabell and Phyllis; Spray - Ronnie, Audrey and children; Boutonniere - grandson Victor; Vase of Roses - granddaughters Ginny and Donna Porter; Heart - sister Marjorie and Dewis, aunt Rosie and Harold; Cross - Leora, Robie Helen, Soony and boys, Gloria and Jim, Faye, Ronnie and Girls, Roddie, Pauline and Linda, Douglas, Dianne and family, Brian; Wreath - Asa, Phyllis and Donald; Baskets - Almeda and Edith, Ula, Artie and family, Caleb, Pat and family, Vin Jean and Bob; Pete Cummings and family; Winnie, Less and Pa Condy; The Oromocto Lions Club; Spray - Jean and Ella; Stella and Todd; Mrs Annie Powell, Heidi and Lynn; W.T.W 485, Buckingham Mills; Lloyd Hall; Mr and Mrs Leonard Berry, Berry's Taxi; James Demetre and Dinos; Ruby Miles and Walter, Betty and Bazil; Florence, Ted and David; Abbie, Chick and Ray; Containters - Jimmie and Valerie, Danny and Bonnie, Boyd and Diann and family; Bert, Dobie and family; Horce and Fern Buck; Avery, Pearl Rushton and family; Jim and June Buck; Jim and Arlene Brown and family; Urns - Wilbert, Harold and Ira Farnell and family; Mr. and Mrs. George Forshner and Faimly; Mr and Mrs John Cechol and family, Rudy and Charles Hoffman. Memorial Donation: Canadian Heart Foundation - Mr and Mrs Norman McDonald and family; Canadian Cancer Society - Thomas Spence; Women's Auxiliary, All Saints' Hospital - Gladys and Dan McDonald; Ladies' Auxiliary, Royal Canadian Legion No. 17 - Percy and Bessie Hunter; Patsy and Paul Hurlbert; Gerald and John Hunter; Canadian Mental Health - Lawson and Emma Fowler. Numerous sympathy cards and donations were also recieved. AMHERST - William A. Mattix, 63, Springhill, a retired coal miner, died Wednesday in All Saints Hospital, Springhill. Born in Springhill he was the son of William N. Mattix and the late Margaret Mattix. Besides his father and his wife, the former Phyllis Rushton, of Westchester, Cumberland County, he is survived by one daughter, Mrs. Gorman Porter, Springhill; five sons, Ronald, Toronto; Darrell, Oromocto, N.B.; Douglas, Kenneth and Glendon all of Springhill; one sister, Marjorie (Mrs. Dewis Ross), Springhill; 20 grandchildren. The body is at Brown's Funeral Home, Springhill, where funeral service will be held Saturday at 2 p.m., with Rev. Harald Westin officiating. Burial will be in Millvale Cemetery. The Halifax Chroncile-Herald, July 9, 1971. Notes for PHYLLIS ALMEDA RUSHTON: Died of a heart attack. ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard Noble <nobler@accesswave.ca> To: NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:24:29 AM Subject: Re: [NS-L] info on surname Demark There is more than meets the eye with the Demark family. Frank Demark marries Sarah Jane Madix in 1903. But Sarah's death record gives her parents as John and Sarah Merry Her 1903 marriage record says that she was a widow. There is a marriage of an Elmira Madix in 1904, which lists her parents as Abram and Sarah Jane Madix. This may be a daughter by the first husband. The 1911 census lists Frank and Sarah in Springhill. But it lists daughters, Frances and Rosie, both born before 1903. But on their marriage documents their parents are listed as Frank and Sarah. A later marrige for Annie Demark, lists the same parents. Annie marries Frank O'Hara, and it is Mrs. Annie O'Hara who is the informant on her father's death record. In the records they are listed under Demark, Demarks and Demarko. The question then becomes, are the children, Sarah's by her first husband, and they adopted their stepfather's surname, or was Frank married to a Sarah before his marriage to Sarah Jane. His marriage in 1903 says he is a bachelor. The name Madix appears to be unique, and thus suspected to be a misspelling. The Madix people are also indicated to be from New Brunswick, while The Demark girls seem to be born in Springhill. This again indicates that Frank was married before. Interesting. ---------------------------------------- Basic List Commands: 1. To post to the list Send a message to: NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com 2. How to unsubscribe a. 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The laws of ages for marriages in Canada. that is why so many went across to Maine and married!!! I don't know about the laws there but so many Canadians are listed there in the files.

Hi All: Let's take these one at a time. But before responding to the note below let me point out that, in Canada, in 1890, the age of consent for females was raised from 12 to 14. So, in the 1840's which was the time period referred to in the original question, this would seem to imply that any female age 12 or over could enter into a common-law marriage. Yes/No/Maybe? > Date of NS Marriage Act you are referring to? I know it was definately > age > 21 on 24th December 1966, as I had to obtain written permission from my > parents to marry. I married on the last day of my 19th year, in St > Joseph's > Cathedral, Russell St., Halifax NS. The date of the NS Solemnization of Marraige Act in NS is 1989. But the original question wasn't the legal age for a solemnized marriage in 1966, it was (if I can remember that far back)--what was the age at which one could marry in the 1840's. As Malcolm has pointed out there are two type of marriages legally recognized in Canada--solemnized and common-law. Every document I can find seems to indicate that NS has always recognized common-law marriage. Someone please correct me if that's wrong. :-) > Again what time frame are you referring to? 1748 - 2007, but I am more intersted in the 1840's which was the original question. [As to current Canadian law, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage] > I've never heard this was the case in Canada, although it is perhaps > possible some early 1800(s) Scottish settlers did have in their midst a > young married couple around these ages. I tend to doubt it, primarily due > to Canada coming under English law from c1758+ ... unless they had already > wed in Scotland, prior to arriving in Canada. Hmmmmm. It is my understanding that genuine (that is, legal) common-law marriage was, for practical purposes, abolished in England under the Marriage Act of 1753. So, if NS was bound by English law, how do you explain the existence of common-law marriage in NS from 1753-2007? -----Bob H-----

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hegerich" Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Marriage Solemnized - Continuing > Hi All: > > To muddy the waters further, Malcolm's note raises an interesting point. > > As I understand it, the NS SOLEMNIZATION of Marriage Act gives ages of > 19/16 > as the required age for solemnization of a marriage, without/with parental > consent. Date of NS Marriage Act you are referring to? I know it was definately age 21 on 24th December 1966, as I had to obtain written permission from my parents to marry. I married on the last day of my 19th year, in St Joseph's Cathedral, Russell St., Halifax NS. > But as I understand it, in NS, common-law marriage has always > been, and continues to be recognized, so here is a hypothetical question. > Again what time frame are you referring to? > Supposing a 15 year old male enters into a common-law marriage with a 13 > year old female (a little bit hard to do in today's world). I believe > that, > under NS law, they must cohabit for two years for the marriage to be > recognized. So, when he is 17 and she is 15, is that a valid common-law > marriage? The only thing I could find on the subject was this passage: > I'm not sure about the rest of Canada, but do know when common-law unions were finally recognized in Ontario, the original time the couple had to be living together was 2 years. Anything under that was not recognized as a 'marriage'. Then the time was lowered to 6 months and I believe it is now 3 months. I know of many cases, in recent years, where the couple have been under the 6 month mark when they split, with the household effects / pensions etc divided equally, just as they would be in a legally sanctioned church (etc) marriage. I mean both parties have a lawyer to settle the differences, divide possessions. It has been my understanding that this is not just an Ontario 'thing', that it is a Federal enactment, therefore would be all across Canada, with possible exception being Quebec. For the most part, Quebec the laws have always been a little different than the rest of Canada. > "Provincial marriage acts provide details on the legal age required for > marriage. Generally, marriages of males below the age of 15 are voidable > and > below the age of 12 for girls." I think I recall reading somewhere that > in > the 1800's the age for males was 14 and 12 for females. I've never heard this was the case in Canada, although it is perhaps possible some early 1800(s) Scottish settlers did have in their midst a young married couple around these ages. I tend to doubt it, primarily due to Canada coming under English law from c1758+ ... unless they had already wed in Scotland, prior to arriving in Canada. In fact for the most part, at least in the families (in NS, PEI & NB) I've looked at, the couples generally had a tendency to marry when much older. Most of our females were well into their 20s, with the males being of equal age of bride and/or much older, when they wed. Post-1900 marriages within our families have had some younger brides and I know positively of two cases where the bride was only 16 and parental permission had to be given; one c1930, the other c1952. In the pre-1800 era, 12 & 14 were the ages in Scotland, though later (mid-late1800s) was upped to females 14, males 16. We have a case in my mother's paternal line c1798, where the bride was 12, the groom 18. Bride continued to live with her family until she was 17y. Groom was in the military, spending much time away from home (Info from diary, family bible, service records giving details of his postings, plus confirming parents'/wife's names). We've another in mother's maternal line, in 1907. Bride was 16, groom 18. They were not allowed to marry under the 'normal' circumstances, but had to get a Sherriff's Warrant (special licence) to do so, even though neither set of parents objected the marriage. Daughter of the couple told me, the story her mother had told her about the difficulty they had in getting permission to wed .. they feared their [son] would be born before the ceremony would be preformed! Just why they weren't allowed to wed when their parents were in consent, plus under Scottish law they legally could have, I've not been able to find out. Neither had been wed before. You often find when the bride was in the 12-14 age group, the marriage wasn't consumated until bride reached the age of at least 16, as usually the reasons for the marriage were materialistic in nature, having nothing to do with 'love'. Parents of the bride negotiated the 'deal' (with groom and/or his parents), not the bride herself. Remember in Canada, we followed English law/rule from c1758+. English law and Scottish law differed, even after the Act of Union. Toni ~ Ontario

Hi Donna and Everyone, I was the one who said about the age being 21 Years. I had come across a Bride ( Charlotte Rafuse ) being only 16 Yrs marrying in 1923 without the consent of her parents. She was sent a letter from the registar , saying unless she had her parents written consent her marriage would be illegal. Charlotte had lied and said she was 21 when her Mother wrote and said she was only 16 years Old. I was also asking if there was some way of getting copies of the Parents consent forms. Neva MacRae Perth Australia Rafuse / Macrae

> I wonder if you might be getting "hung up" (for want of a better > phrase) on the word "marriage" without remembering that a couple marry > by the act of cohabiting. The marriage record says that they married by License. That simply means that a license was issued. The thing to do then, is to look at the film at the N.S. Archives and view the actual marriage slip. Perhaps I will do that on my next trip. We can speculate as to all kinds of possibilities, but lets base them on some facts shall we??

There is more than meets the eye with the Demark family. Frank Demark marries Sarah Jane Madix in 1903. But Sarah's death record gives her parents as John and Sarah Merry Her 1903 marriage record says that she was a widow. There is a marriage of an Elmira Madix in 1904, which lists her parents as Abram and Sarah Jane Madix. This may be a daughter by the first husband. The 1911 census lists Frank and Sarah in Springhill. But it lists daughters, Frances and Rosie, both born before 1903. But on their marriage documents their parents are listed as Frank and Sarah. A later marrige for Annie Demark, lists the same parents. Annie marries Frank O'Hara, and it is Mrs. Annie O'Hara who is the informant on her father's death record. In the records they are listed under Demark, Demarks and Demarko. The question then becomes, are the children, Sarah's by her first husband, and they adopted their stepfather's surname, or was Frank married to a Sarah before his marriage to Sarah Jane. His marriage in 1903 says he is a bachelor. The name Madix appears to be unique, and thus suspected to be a misspelling. The Madix people are also indicated to be from New Brunswick, while The Demark girls seem to be born in Springhill. This again indicates that Frank was married before. Interesting.

There is more than meets the eye with the Demark family. Frank Demark marries Sarah Jane Madix in 1903. But Sarah's death record gives her parents as John and Sarah Merry Her 1903 marriage record says that she was a widow. There is a marriage of an Elmira Madix in 1904, which lists her parents as Abram and Sarah Jane Madix. This may be a daughter by the first husband. The 1911 census lists Frank and Sarah in Srpinghill. But it lists daughters, Frances and Rosie, both born before 1903. But on their marriage documents their parents are listed as Frank and Sarah. A later marrige for Annie Demark, lists the same parents. Annie marries Frank O'Hara, and it is Mrs. Annie O'Hara who is the informant on her father's death record. In the records they are listed under Demark, Demarks and Demarko. The question then becomes, are the children, Sarah's by her first husband, and they adopted their stepfather's surname, or was Frank married to a Sarah before his marriage to Sarah Jane. His marriage in 1903 says he is a bachelor. The name Madix appears to be unique, and thus suspected to be a misspelling. The Madix people are also indicated to be from New Brunswick, while The Demark girls seem to be born in Springhill. This again indicates that Frank was married before. Interesting.

Hi All: To muddy the waters further, Malcolm's note raises an interesting point. As I understand it, the NS SOLEMNIZATION of Marriage Act gives ages of 19/16 as the required age for solemnization of a marriage, without/with parental consent. But as I understand it, in NS, common-law marriage has always been, and continues to be recognized, so here is a hypothetical question. Supposing a 15 year old male enters into a common-law marriage with a 13 year old female (a little bit hard to do in today's world). I believe that, under NS law, they must cohabit for two years for the marriage to be recognized. So, when he is 17 and she is 15, is that a valid common-law marriage? The only thing I could find on the subject was this passage: "Provincial marriage acts provide details on the legal age required for marriage. Generally, marriages of males below the age of 15 are voidable and below the age of 12 for girls." I think I recall reading somewhere that in the 1800's the age for males was 14 and 12 for females. -----Bob H----- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Noble" <nobler@accesswave.ca> To: "Malcolm Moody" <malcolm@archivecdbooks.ca>; <NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Marriage Solemnized - Continuing > >> I wonder if you might be getting "hung up" (for want of a better >> phrase) on the word "marriage" without remembering that a couple marry >> by the act of cohabiting. > > The marriage record says that they married by License. That simply means > that a license was issued. > The thing to do then, is to look at the film at the N.S. Archives and view > the actual marriage slip. > Perhaps I will do that on my next trip. > > We can speculate as to all kinds of possibilities, but lets base them on > some facts shall we?? > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. Subscribe to Digest mode > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.2/766 - Release Date: 4/18/2007 > 7:39 AM > >

I have seen the parents consent on the film with the marriage license. In a message dated 4/17/2007 9:19:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, neva@iinet.net.au writes: Hi Donna and Everyone, I was the one who said about the age being 21 Years. I had come across a Bride ( Charlotte Rafuse ) being only 16 Yrs marrying in 1923 without the consent of her parents. She was sent a letter from the registar , saying unless she had her parents written consent her marriage would be illegal. Charlotte had lied and said she was 21 when her Mother wrote and said she was only 16 years Old. I was also asking if there was some way of getting copies of the Parents consent forms. Neva MacRae Perth Australia Rafuse / Macrae ---------------------------------------- Basic List Commands: 1. To post to the list Send a message to: NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com 2. How to unsubscribe a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word unsubscribe b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word unsubscribe 3. How to subscribe Send an email containing only the word subscribe to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com 4. How to change to Digest mode a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) b. Subscribe to Digest mode Send an email containing only the word subscribe to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Bonnie Douglass Southern California ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Richard, I wonder if you might be getting "hung up" (for want of a better phrase) on the word "marriage" without remembering that a couple marry by the act of cohabiting. Today this would be termed a "common law marriage," but I've never seen a direct reference to what it was called in earlier times. It was a common state in areas of (to become) Canada where churches and ministers were scarce. A common law marriage might (or might not) be "solemnized," with a church service and register signing, etc., at a later, more convenient time. Strictly then, the word "solemnized" only means that two people partook in a church service and the appropriate announcement and registrations were made. Might the marriage you are talking about have already been established as a common law union where the couple lived and the solemnization have been conducted when it was possible to visit another set of relatives (the wife's?) Generally what we record as a "marriage" in our family trees is actually a solemnization, not the "marriage" in the legal sense of the term. It's just a practical thing, because the solemnization is all that is actually recorded. --------------- I just read this back and had a vision of getting hundreds of irate replies from infuriated listers, so let me hasten to add that I'm not casting aspersions on anyone's ancestors. I'm sure all your ancestors followed the best social conventions in their relationships. I'm just pointing out the possible explanations in the semantics of the phrase, "to get their marriage "official" solemnized" in Richard's posting. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:53:14 -0800 > From: "Richard Hardwick" <RiHardwick@comcast.net> > Subject: [NS-L] Fw: Marriage Solemnized - Continuing > To: "NS ednet list" <NSroots@ednet.ns.ca>, "NOVA-SCOTIA" > <NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <005701c78186$3cd4d390$45efb543@P4R800VM> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello again > > Just an update from a several responders. Possible scenarios: > > (1) It may have been that the members of this marriage were part of a > religious sect that only had their "official" minister available in > Hants County where they traveled from the "other" county of marriage > (be it Kings or Halifax) to Hants County to get their marriage > "official" solemnized. > > (2) Or it could have been that one member of the wedding party was > born in Hants county while the other member was born/married > elsewhere. For the Halifax County marriage that shows up on the Hants > County books, it appears that the husband was born in Kings County > while it doesn't indicate where the wife was born. Maybe she was born > in Hants County? And therefore was listed in Hants after marriage? > > (3) For the Kings County marriage that shows up on the Hants County > books, the husband was also born in Kings County, and again, it > doesn't indicate where the wife was born. In each of these marriages, > the wife was also residing in Kings County at time of marriage. Could > this wife have been born in Hants County as well? > > (4) If this is the case in (2) and (3) above, the next question ought > to be - Why are these 2 marriages not listed in the Halifax Book or > the Kings County Book? Only found in the Hants County Book. > > (5) Further ideas welcomed > > Richard

Subject: Re: [NS-CB] Mac Innis > hi joyce, > > When I see Skye Glen, I get really interested. > > I am not sure how to reply on the cape breton "net", so will send this to > you and also try to answer on the net, > anyway, I have been doing a little research on the Beaton families of Skye Glen, and, > have some info on these families when they left Isle of Skye in 1830 and > and sailed to cape Breton > on the Malay or Malory. some of the original settlers of Skye Gen were Mac > Innis. > > I have the original ships passenger list which has 4 Mac innis families > listed, no one named james, a few named John. > one settler to Skye Glen was Miles, wife Mary with children Cursty, John, > Flora. > > My great grandfather John Beaton( referred to as Little John) , was born > in Skye Glen in 1836, married a Jessie Campbell. > > His older brother, oddly , also name John (referred to as Big John) was > born in Skye Glen in 1833, > married a Jessie (Janet) Mac Innis. This family were life long residents of > Skye Glen, would you have any info in your > findings on this Jessie? > > If you would like the names of the other Mac Innis passengers, or the bit > of info I have on Miles Mac Innis > I can pass this along. > > Duncan Beaton > Dartmouth N.S. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <RMSudbury@aol.com> > To: <NS-CAPE-BRETON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:00 PM > Subject: [NS-CB] Mac Innis > > > > I am looking for the parent's of > > > > Archhibald Mac Innis, b. August 17, 1855, Whycocomugh or Skye Glenn, Cape > > Breton. > > > > His father is believed to be James Mac Innis, b. abt. 1811, Scotland > > > > Archibald married Dorcas Brown, b. April 22, 1870, Gays River, Nova > Scotia. > > > > I would appreciate any information you may be able to share with me. > > > > Regards, > > Joyce Mac Innis > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NS-CAPE-BRETON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 51 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

The marriage in question was by License and in the Baptist Church. Therefore no Justice of the Peace. Be interesting to know where the minister was located. Was he a Hants County Minister, and filed the paperwork in his home county?? If a license was involved, the forms to be filed with the civil authorities came with the form.

The Sarah that died in Springhill was wife of Frank Demark, and they married in 1903, also at Springhill. They had a daughter, Annie, who married a Mr. O'Hara, I seem to recall. This is likely NOT the right family, as Frank Demark (Demarko) was born in Italy, and Sarah (his wife) was born in New Brunswick. Also, since they married 1903, hard to figure a child b. 1890. Jared > Kim Hay wrote: >> >> Grandmother- Mary Demark(maiden name) Married names Fisher & Dorion >> she had 3 sisters- Annie Demark, Alberta Demark, third sister (twin >> of Alberta) died young, one brother Billy Demark. > > There is no marriage of a Mary Demark in Nova Scotia on > https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/ > > Most of the Dorion Marriages are in Cumberland County > > There is a marriage of an Annie Demark in 1908 but it is in Cumberland > County > >> >> Mothers name (Great grandmother) Sarah Demark (married name) maiden >> name unknown, as well as my great grandfathers. > > There is a death of a Sarah Demarko in Springhill Cumberland county >> >> so I am trying to find out his first name, and what my great >> grandmothers maiden name was. >> >> I know they came over on a boat, from England. > > There are 4 Demarks in the 1881 British Census but no Sarah > > What is your sources for this information? > >> My grandmother was born in 1890 in Yarmouth NS. > Again what is your source? > > >> >> I have tried to look in the census in Yarmouth NS for the 1891, but >> nothing listed. > Try looking in the 1901 Census at: > http://automatedgenealogy.com/index.html. > > You will have to check all, there are over 50 names that have the same > soundex as Demark. > >> >> any help, or direction would be greatly appreciated. > > I think you have the wrong county or birth, perhaps an incorrect spelling > > bob gillis > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. Subscribe to Digest mode > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------ Jared "Jed" Handspicker jedh@jedh.com

Kim Hay wrote: > > Grandmother- Mary Demark(maiden name) Married names Fisher & Dorion > she had 3 sisters- Annie Demark, Alberta Demark, third sister (twin > of Alberta) died young, one brother Billy Demark. There is no marriage of a Mary Demark in Nova Scotia on https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/ Most of the Dorion Marriages are in Cumberland County There is a marriage of an Annie Demark in 1908 but it is in Cumberland County > > Mothers name (Great grandmother) Sarah Demark (married name) maiden > name unknown, as well as my great grandfathers. There is a death of a Sarah Demarko in Springhill Cumberland county > > so I am trying to find out his first name, and what my great > grandmothers maiden name was. > > I know they came over on a boat, from England. There are 4 Demarks in the 1881 British Census but no Sarah What is your sources for this information? > My grandmother was born in 1890 in Yarmouth NS. Again what is your source? > > I have tried to look in the census in Yarmouth NS for the 1891, but > nothing listed. Try looking in the 1901 Census at: http://automatedgenealogy.com/index.html. You will have to check all, there are over 50 names that have the same soundex as Demark. > > any help, or direction would be greatly appreciated. I think you have the wrong county or birth, perhaps an incorrect spelling bob gillis