Hi folks, Linda Connolly, if you are still on any of these lists could you please email me offlist? The email I have for you is bouncing and I have a book for you. Thanks, Mary Anne

Fwd: Remsheg Loyalist Reunion Forwarded with permission. Bill Tufts, U.E. For those living in the Wallace, NS, area who would like to help out in the reunion of descendants of American Revolution Loyalists to take place June 28 through June 30, 2008, there will be a meeting on Monday, May 14, 2007, at the Wallace and Area Museum in Wallace, NS, at 7 p.m. Many hands make light work! Contact Ellen Muise at remsheg225@yahoo.ca or visit http://remsheg225.wetpaint.com for information on the project and how you can help. Ellen Muise Join us at the Remsheg Loyalists - 225th Anniversary reunion: http://remsheg225.wetpaint.com/

Greetings All The latest issue of Gordon Watts Reports is now available online at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazgw/gazgw-0099.htm Topics in this issue include: - In Memorium - Kenneth George Aitken - 2006 Census response to 'Informed Consent' - Where to now? I would like to suggest that the second and third articles are of some importance to genealogists and historians. Every one reading this post should read the articles and feel free to pass them on to others. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, British Columbia Read my column, 'Gordon Watts Reports' at http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/authors/authgw.htm

Hi Everyone: I think what Richard has said that Mitchell's map might have meant French Fort. Someone who might solve this would possibly be Barry Moody, Professor of History at Acadia who lives in Karsdale in the original Shaffner-Armstrong house that was built in the early 1800's. It's about less than a kilometre from the Habitation. Cheers, Wilf

Hi Richard, This is the one that he usually uses, try: "Barry Moody" <barry.moody@acadiau.ca> Take care, Phil On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:50:11 -0800 "Richard Hardwick" <RiHardwick@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi Wilf > > The consensus, so far, is that the Charles Fort >(Scottish Fort) was built in > the area of the first "Habitation" as is described in >the Mitchell map in > Savary. > > A question that I'm still trying to get resolved is why >does the Fort Anne > Historic Park website "seem" to indicate that Charles >Fort (Scottish Fort) > was built in present-day Annapolis Royal which would >place it prior to Fort > Anne at the Fort Anne site? And in contradiction to >what is Savary. Maybe > I am interpreting what is at this site in error? > > See http://geocities.com/naforts/ns.html?200723 for the >reason I am saying > this. Seems to say that the Scotch Fort was built where >Fort Anne is (in > present-day Annapolis Royal.) > > I have a question into the Fort Anne Historic Park >people to try and resolve > this apparent discrepancy to what is shown in Savary. > Haven't heard from > them yet but will pass along any response. > > Wilf, I would be happy to contact Barry if I knew his >email addy. I asked > you for that earlier today. > > Richard >

Hi Wilf The consensus, so far, is that the Charles Fort (Scottish Fort) was built in the area of the first "Habitation" as is described in the Mitchell map in Savary. A question that I'm still trying to get resolved is why does the Fort Anne Historic Park website "seem" to indicate that Charles Fort (Scottish Fort) was built in present-day Annapolis Royal which would place it prior to Fort Anne at the Fort Anne site? And in contradiction to what is Savary. Maybe I am interpreting what is at this site in error? See http://geocities.com/naforts/ns.html?200723 for the reason I am saying this. Seems to say that the Scotch Fort was built where Fort Anne is (in present-day Annapolis Royal.) I have a question into the Fort Anne Historic Park people to try and resolve this apparent discrepancy to what is shown in Savary. Haven't heard from them yet but will pass along any response. Wilf, I would be happy to contact Barry if I knew his email addy. I asked you for that earlier today. Richard Richard Hardwick (Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) RiHardwick@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilfred Morley" <wilfmorley@eastlink.ca> To: "'Richard Hardwick'" <RiHardwick@comcast.net>; "'Donna Lee Henderson Butler'" <dleebill@ns.sympatico.ca>; "'Donna Lee Henderson Butler'" <d_ingbat@yahoo.ca>; "'Paul Lalonde'" <paul.lalonde@ns.sympatico.ca>; "'Nova Scotia'" <Nova-Scotia@rootsweb.com> Cc: "'NS ednet list'" <NSroots@ednet.ns.ca> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: RE: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal (close to finishing?) > Hi Everyone: > > I think what Richard has said that Mitchell's map might have meant French > Fort. > Someone who might solve this would possibly be Barry Moody, Professor of > History at Acadia who lives in Karsdale in the original Shaffner-Armstrong > house that was built in the early 1800's. It's about less than a > kilometre > from the Habitation. > > Cheers, > Wilf

Hi Richard, The following quote is from "First Things in Canada, published in 1890 by GEORGE JOHNSON. It is one of four books we have just published on CD as a collection under the title, "WHO, WHAT & WHEN IN CANADA (before the 20th Century) with our product number CA0061. We are hoping this collection will be a handy reference for putting genealogy research into context with what else was going on at the time. There is a complete description of the CD on our web site (see my sig. line.) QUOTE: 6. It is generally believed that Port Royal, now Annapolis, was founded in 1605, and that it is consequently the oldest town in Canada. This is an error. The settlement which De Monts formed in 1605, and called Port Royal, was on the north side of Annapolis Basin, nearly opposite Goat Island. It was abandoned in 1607, re-occupied in 1610, and destroyed in 1613 by the Virginians under Captain Argall. In 1620 it was re-settled by a number of Scotch colonists. After the treaty of St. Germain it was restored to the French, who almost immediately abandoned it ; the fort was demolished ; and the seat of government was removed for a time to La Hêve, not far from the present town of Lunenburg. This is the last mention of De Mont's Port Royal. Some time between 1636 and 1645, a new settlement, also called Port Royal, was established by d'Aunay Charnisay, about six miles from the site of the former settlement, but on the south side of Annapolis Basin, and a fort was built there, of which the ruins are still to be seen. It is this second Port Royal which was taken by Sedgwick in 1654, by Phips in 1690, and finally by Nicholson on the 13th October, 1710, when the name was changed to Annapolis in honor of Queen Anne. END QUOTE. Anyone could be forgiven for being confused about that city's origins! It must make tracing people who lived in the area a nightmare. I think this quote covers points 1 through 4. Hope it helps. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:51:11 -0800 > From: "Richard Hardwick" <RiHardwick@comcast.net> > Subject: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal > To: "NS ednet list" <NSroots@ednet.ns.ca>, "NOVA-SCOTIA" > <NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00ee01c78613$092db700$45efb543@P4R800VM> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello all > > I was wondering if some history/geography buff might explain the > differences between Port Royal and Annapolis Royal. > > It is/was my understanding that when the British were finally > successful in their conquest at Port Royal in the early 1700s that > they changed the name of Port Royal to Annapolis Royal in honor of > Queen Anne. > > However, in recently finding info that some of my relatives are buried > at Schafner's Point Cemetery, it is indicated that this cemetery is in > Port Royal. And some of these interments are fairly recent. So that > information sent me on a quest. > > After a Google of "Port Royal" and "Annapolis Royal" and the > consulting of a present-day map, I find that there are 2 such named > cities/towns, one up river and one down river quite a distance from > one another. And on opposite shores of the Annapolis River. > Wikipedia also says that there are 2 different places. Also, the > information at the Annapolis County GenWeb site says that the SCHAFNER > Point Cemetery is in Port Royal. (Coincidentally, I have seen > SCHAFNER's Point Cemetery as being in Karsdale as well. With Karsdale > being real close to Port Royal on a present-day map.) > > So questions abound: > > (1) Did the present-day site of Annapolis Royal come into existence > after a move to its present site after the conquest of Port Royal that > was down river? > > (2) Was the old Port Royal at the site of the present day Annapolis > Royal? > > (3) Is the present-day location of Port Royal at the location of the > old Port Royal of the 1600s? > > (4) Is it possible that the present-day location of Port Royal came > into existence long after the old Port Royal was conquered and has no > relation to the old Port Royal? Just in name only? > > (5) Is Karsdale and Port Royal synonymous with one another? > > Hoping someone can help. > > Thanks > > Richard Hardwick

I have recently inherited a set of chairs from Nova Scotia which belonged to my great-grandfather and I am curious as to where they came from. My great-grandfather, William A. Reed, was born in Annapolis Co, lived for a while in Mill Village, Queens Co where he married Helena Atkins, moved to Middleton on the death of his father and later moved to Berwick where he died. They are Windsor chairs and are stamped Debol on the bottom. I have found two entries, using Google, at NSARMS for marriage bonds, although I don't know what records they are. id Gname Gstatus Gresidence Goccupation Date Bname Bstatus Bresidence Boccupation Note MFM 4621 Lewis DeBol Bachelor Halifax Chairmaker 06 September 1823 Elizabeth DeGant Widow 15930 4722 John Earle Bachelor HM Dockyard House Carpenter 27 August 1824 Mary Ann Knodle Spinster Lewis DeBol of Halifax, chairmaker, was a surety. 15930 Is it likely that this is the person who made the chairs? During what years was he making furniture? David Reed (dreed@ca.inter.net) Toronto, Ontario, Canada

On 24 Apr 2007 at 7:37, Paul Lalonde wrote: > As for Sue's question about separate place names within the area, the answer > is yes. You can purchase a map which superimposes the current road map over > the villages of the Port Royal area. Definitely worth having. But to call > these villages may sometimes be a streatch. They were mostly names after > the family who originally settled there. Around that first farm, with > succeeding generations, a community of related people grew. I have never > seen information regarding the populations of these communities however. > The Melanson village site has been commemorated as a national historic park. > It is just before the Habitation. Paul is right, these very small communities are strung out along the road and can barely be called villages as there are no "centre" to any of them. The community of Lower Granville changed its name to Karsdale in 1882 in honour of Sir William Fenwick Williams, who had successfully defended the town of Kars in the Crimean War (see Calnek). Karsdale is adjacent to the present-day community of Port Royal, site of the Habitation. Mary Anne

Richard It is really an interesting question and I think that many people confuse the Habitation and the fort at Port Royal. Your précis of the situation seems to be correct. In answer to some of your questions: If you call Fort Anne National Historic Site, in Annapolis, you should be able to find out how to purchase the map. It is only a couple of $. In 1710, the whole area became Annapolis Royal in honor of the British Queen Anne. Was it at this time that the French Fort became the British Fort, Fort Anne? Yes, the British renamed Port Royal in honour of Queen Anne (both fort and the community that surrounded it). Note, the Habitation no longer exists at this point. However, in the information provided by the Fort Anne National Historic Park people, it gives the impression that the Charles Fort (Scottish Fort) was built where Fort Anne was (in present day Annapolis Royal.) Would you know which is correct? Charles Fort was built on the tip of the point where the Annapolis and Allain rivers meet. The French forts where built basically on top, or at least over-lapping the site of the Scottish fort. Did the British do anything to this fort after they captured it? The "Officers' Quarters" and the "Sally Port" pictures/photos that are prevalent today - were they built by the French or the British, and when? You are correct. The British enhanced the earthworks around the fort and established a true Vauban (star-shaped) fort. The only original French structures are the powder magasine (which is the oldest structure in Parks Canada) and perhaps the "jail" but I think that had to be completely reconstructed. The Officers quarters, a British building was also heavily altered when they "restored" it.

Hello List I am looking for an obit or any information for GERALD DELANEY who died March 29 1962 in Halifax. I saw mention of him listed on a Halifax Funeral Home Book #9 pg 61. How would one access the information in such book? Thank you, Ginny NY

Hi Paul and Donna and all Thanks for great explanations. I guess the only thing that needs to be resolved is **what** is on the map across from page 34 of Savary's "Supplement to the History of the County of Annapolis." I am wondering if somebody might have a look to see *what* is on the north shore of the Annapolis River across from Goat Island? If Paul indicates that the French Fort(s) was/were built on top of the Scottish Fort at present day Annapolis Royal and this fact appears to be confirmed by the Fort Anne National Historic Park people, **what** is represented in Savary (page 34) at the place where the "Habitation" appears to have once stood? It is described as "Small remains of the Scots fort." Across from Goat Island. (On Mitchell's Map of the Annapolis River, 1733 in Savary.) Do you think there may be an error on that map? Maybe should say "Remains of French Habitation" instead? Donna, I wonder if Andrew Henderson (my 3ggf) taught any of this history in his days at Albion Vale? Seems like he taught quite a bit that it wouldn't surprise me if history wasn't part of the curriculum. Have just finished re-reading "The Romance of Old Annapolis Royal" where Andrew is mentioned prominently. By the way, in that book, there is a map of the Annapolis River area of Charlotte Perkin's (authoress) day showing Annapolis Royal, Port Royal and the Habitation, as well. This has been a great sharing of info by all and I have gained immensely from the discussion. Thanks to all Richard From: "Paul Lalonde" <paul.lalonde@ns.sympatico.ca> To: "Richard Hardwick" <RiHardwick@comcast.net>; "Nova Scotia" <Nova-Scotia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal > Richard > > It is really an interesting question and I think that many people confuse > the Habitation and the fort at Port Royal. > > Your précis of the situation seems to be correct. > > In answer to some of your questions: > > If you call Fort Anne National Historic Site, in Annapolis, you should be > able to find out how to purchase the map. It is only a couple of $. > > In 1710, the whole area became Annapolis Royal in honor of the British > Queen Anne. Was it at this time that the French Fort became the British > Fort, Fort Anne? > > Yes, the British renamed Port Royal in honour of Queen Anne (both fort and > the community that surrounded it). Note, the Habitation no longer exists > at this point. > > However, in the information provided by the Fort Anne National Historic > Park people, it gives the impression that the Charles Fort (Scottish Fort) > was built where Fort Anne was (in present day Annapolis Royal.) Would you > know which is correct? > > Charles Fort was built on the tip of the point where the Annapolis and > Allain rivers meet. The French forts where built basically on top, or at > least over-lapping the site of the Scottish fort. > > Did the British do anything to this fort after they captured it? The > "Officers' Quarters" and the "Sally Port" pictures/photos that are > prevalent today - were they built by the French or the British, and when? > > You are correct. The British enhanced the earthworks around the fort and > established a true Vauban (star-shaped) fort. The only original French > structures are the powder magasine (which is the oldest structure in Parks > Canada) and perhaps the "jail" but I think that had to be completely > reconstructed. The Officers quarters, a British building was also heavily > altered when they "restored" it.

Richard The Habitation on the north shore of Port Royal was actually in use for a relatively short time until it was finally destroyed. However, the more important French fort, at the confluence of the rivière des Dauphins (Annapolis River) and Allains Creek. I can't recall the dates, but the French fort and the town around it were much more significant in size. The Habitation did not really have a town and is more important from a symbolic "first attempt". Don't call it a fort. It was more a fur trading post. The real fort was a military position. The town was the capital of Acadie. The current St. George Street in Annapolis Royal is in fact the same rue Dauphin of Port Royal town. The British conquered the French fort and did not build a fort. They only made changes, primarily the destruction of some of the buildings and construction of the current building. They may have enhanced some of the earthworks. They built a blockhouse (which is now gone). As for Sue's question about separate place names within the area, the answer is yes. You can purchase a map which superimposes the current road map over the villages of the Port Royal area. Definitely worth having. But to call these villages may sometimes be a streatch. They were mostly names after the family who originally settled there. Around that first farm, with succeeding generations, a community of related people grew. I have never seen information regarding the populations of these communities however. The Melanson village site has been commemorated as a national historic park. It is just before the Habitation. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hardwick" <RiHardwick@comcast.net> To: "Paul Lalonde" <paul.lalonde@ns.sympatico.ca> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal > Hi Paul > > I'm starting to get quite a bit of feedback. The consensus (so far)(if I > understand the responses correctly) is that in the 1600s the entire area > of the Annapolis River Basin was French and considered Port Royal. With > the French Fort being located at the place where the very small town of > Port Royal is today. (Directly across from Goat island about 5-6 miles > down river from current day AR.) A few homes and Schafner's Point Cemetery > might be the main attractions of current day town of Port Royal along with > the original "Habitation" of course. > > Now, when the British conquered the French here, this same area (Annapolis > River Basin) became known as Annapolis Royal from the 1710's on. I am > told that the British Fort (Fort Anne) was built at site in current day > Annapolis Royal. This building of this British fort here may or may not > be correct. > > Is this plausible explanation? > > Thanks for your interest > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Lalonde" <paul.lalonde@ns.sympatico.ca> > To: "Richard Hardwick" <RiHardwick@comcast.net>; "Nova Scotia" > <Nova-Scotia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal > > >>I am far from being an expert but this is my understanding of the >>situation : >> >> The French named the Annapolis Basin Port Royal. >> >> The original Habitation was located in the modern day community of Port >> Royal (on the north shore of Port Royal). >> >> Later the French built a series of forts at the current site of Fort Anne >> in Annapolis Royal. That was the community of Port-Royal. >> >> The entire population along the shores of Port Royal (Annapolis Basin) >> was generally considered to be living in Port Royal. >> >> The distinction is a fine one but the historic reconstruction should be >> technically called the Habitation. What is now the town of Annapolis >> Royal was the French town of Port Royal. >> >> Have I muddied or cleared the waters? >> Paul >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Hardwick" <RiHardwick@comcast.net> >> To: "NS ednet list" <NSroots@ednet.ns.ca>; "NOVA-SCOTIA" >> <NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:51 PM >> Subject: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal >> >> >>> Hello all >>> >>> I was wondering if some history/geography buff might explain the >>> differences between Port Royal and Annapolis Royal. >>> >>> It is/was my understanding that when the British were finally successful >>> in their conquest at Port Royal in the early 1700s that they changed the >>> name of Port Royal to Annapolis Royal in honor of Queen Anne. >>> >>> However, in recently finding info that some of my relatives are buried >>> at Schafner's Point Cemetery, it is indicated that this cemetery is in >>> Port Royal. And some of these interments are fairly recent. So that >>> information sent me on a quest. >>> >>> After a Google of "Port Royal" and "Annapolis Royal" and the consulting >>> of a present-day map, I find that there are 2 such named cities/towns, >>> one up river and one down river quite a distance from one another. And >>> on opposite shores of the Annapolis River. Wikipedia also says that >>> there are 2 different places. Also, the information at the Annapolis >>> County GenWeb site says that the SCHAFNER Point Cemetery is in Port >>> Royal. (Coincidentally, I have seen SCHAFNER's Point Cemetery as being >>> in Karsdale as well. With Karsdale being real close to Port Royal on a >>> present-day map.) >>> >>> So questions abound: >>> >>> (1) Did the present-day site of Annapolis Royal come into existence >>> after a move to its present site after the conquest of Port Royal that >>> was down river? >>> >>> (2) Was the old Port Royal at the site of the present day Annapolis >>> Royal? >>> >>> (3) Is the present-day location of Port Royal at the location of the >>> old Port Royal of the 1600s? >>> >>> (4) Is it possible that the present-day location of Port Royal came >>> into existence long after the old Port Royal was conquered and has no >>> relation to the old Port Royal? Just in name only? >>> >>> (5) Is Karsdale and Port Royal synonymous with one another? >>> >>> Hoping someone can help. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Richard Hardwick >>> >>> (Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, >>> ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) >>> RiHardwick@comcast.net >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> Basic List Commands: >>> >>> 1. To post to the list >>> Send a message to: >>> NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com >>> >>> 2. How to unsubscribe >>> a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- >>> request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word >>> unsubscribe >>> >>> b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- >>> request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word >>> unsubscribe >>> >>> 3. How to subscribe >>> Send an email containing only the word >>> subscribe >>> to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> 4. How to change to Digest mode >>> a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) >>> b. 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Monday, April 12, 1982...The Chronicle-Herald, Halifax, N.S. CLAYTON J. NICKERSON CLYDE RIVER - Clayton James Nickerson, 45, of Clyde River, Shelburne County, died Saturday at home. Born in The Hawk, Shelburne County, he was a son of Desmond and Julia (Smith) Nickerson. Surviving are his wife, the former Esther Powers, a son, Clayton Jr., at home; four half-brothers, Laurie, Leo and Malcolm, all of North East Harbour, and Arthur, Sandy Point; two half-sisters, Bertha (Mrs. Milton Townsend) and Lena, both of North East Harbour. The body is in Kenny's Funeral Home, Barrington. Funeral will be 2 p.m. Tuesday in St. Matthew's United Church, Clyde River, Rev. Derek Shelby officating, with burial in Church Yard Cemetery.

I am far from being an expert but this is my understanding of the situation : The French named the Annapolis Basin Port Royal. The original Habitation was located in the modern day community of Port Royal (on the north shore of Port Royal). Later the French built a series of forts at the current site of Fort Anne in Annapolis Royal. That was the community of Port-Royal. The entire population along the shores of Port Royal (Annapolis Basin) was generally considered to be living in Port Royal. The distinction is a fine one but the historic reconstruction should be technically called the Habitation. What is now the town of Annapolis Royal was the French town of Port Royal. Have I muddied or cleared the waters? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hardwick" <RiHardwick@comcast.net> To: "NS ednet list" <NSroots@ednet.ns.ca>; "NOVA-SCOTIA" <NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal > Hello all > > I was wondering if some history/geography buff might explain the > differences between Port Royal and Annapolis Royal. > > It is/was my understanding that when the British were finally successful > in their conquest at Port Royal in the early 1700s that they changed the > name of Port Royal to Annapolis Royal in honor of Queen Anne. > > However, in recently finding info that some of my relatives are buried at > Schafner's Point Cemetery, it is indicated that this cemetery is in Port > Royal. And some of these interments are fairly recent. So that > information sent me on a quest. > > After a Google of "Port Royal" and "Annapolis Royal" and the consulting of > a present-day map, I find that there are 2 such named cities/towns, one up > river and one down river quite a distance from one another. And on > opposite shores of the Annapolis River. Wikipedia also says that there > are 2 different places. Also, the information at the Annapolis County > GenWeb site says that the SCHAFNER Point Cemetery is in Port Royal. > (Coincidentally, I have seen SCHAFNER's Point Cemetery as being in > Karsdale as well. With Karsdale being real close to Port Royal on a > present-day map.) > > So questions abound: > > (1) Did the present-day site of Annapolis Royal come into existence after > a move to its present site after the conquest of Port Royal that was down > river? > > (2) Was the old Port Royal at the site of the present day Annapolis > Royal? > > (3) Is the present-day location of Port Royal at the location of the old > Port Royal of the 1600s? > > (4) Is it possible that the present-day location of Port Royal came into > existence long after the old Port Royal was conquered and has no relation > to the old Port Royal? Just in name only? > > (5) Is Karsdale and Port Royal synonymous with one another? > > Hoping someone can help. > > Thanks > > Richard Hardwick > > (Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, > ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) > RiHardwick@comcast.net > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. Subscribe to Digest mode > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

And just as a "funny", take a close look at the map above Granville Beach near the DND marked area.... Anyone know the story of "Uncle Freds Meadow"???? Richard Hardwick wrote: > > Hi Sue > > Another friend tells me that the old French Fort of old Port Royal was > located on the northern shore of the Annapolis River, opposite to Goat > island, 5-6 miles down river from where Annapolis Royal is today. The > British Fort was established in present day Annapolis Royal. So this > combined with what you are indicating that the "entire area" was > considered Port Royal or Annapolis Royal makes sense, including the > areas of both those forts. Eventhough those 2 forts did not co-exist, > since the area was either French or British. > > It sounds like the area where the French Fort was went away for a time > only to come back as Lower Granville and then later as a "new" Port > Royal (a new town?) at the site of where the old French Fort was. > > Am I making any sense? Just trying to summarize what I have been > recently told by several. > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Burns <mailto:sburns@gto.net> > To: Richard Hardwick <mailto:RiHardwick@comcast.net> > Cc: NS ednet list <mailto:NSroots@ednet.ns.ca> ; NOVA-SCOTIA > <mailto:NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal > > Hi Richard, > > Port Royal as far as I know during the time of the Acadians was an > entire area, > not just a single town. While the Port Royal of today is still > within that area, it > is not the actual town. One of the original names for Port Royal > was Lower > Granville, a place-name most genealogists are familiar with. I > don't think the > name was changed from LG to PR until the 1950s or so. Karsdale was > also in > the area of Lower Granville, but may have been a separate > settlement at one > time....(not sure about that one.) > > Now within the area of Port Royal, there was a fort established by > the French. > That fort site became first Annapolis and then Annapolis Royal as > the county > of Annapolis was established. > > I don't know if the acadians named the settlements as separate > entities from the > area of Port Royal.....perhaps someone else can tell us that??? > > Sue > > Richard Hardwick wrote: > >>Hello all >> >>I was wondering if some history/geography buff might explain the differences between Port Royal and Annapolis Royal. >> >>It is/was my understanding that when the British were finally successful in their conquest at Port Royal in the early 1700s that they changed the name of Port Royal to Annapolis Royal in honor of Queen Anne. >> >>However, in recently finding info that some of my relatives are buried at Schafner's Point Cemetery, it is indicated that this cemetery is in Port Royal. And some of these interments are fairly recent. So that information sent me on a quest. >> >>After a Google of "Port Royal" and "Annapolis Royal" and the consulting of a present-day map, I find that there are 2 such named cities/towns, one up river and one down river quite a distance from one another. And on opposite shores of the Annapolis River. Wikipedia also says that there are 2 different places. Also, the information at the Annapolis County GenWeb site says that the SCHAFNER Point Cemetery is in Port Royal. (Coincidentally, I have seen SCHAFNER's Point Cemetery as being in Karsdale as well. With Karsdale being real close to Port Royal on a present-day map.) >> >>So questions abound: >> >>(1) Did the present-day site of Annapolis Royal come into existence after a move to its present site after the conquest of Port Royal that was down river? >> >>(2) Was the old Port Royal at the site of the present day Annapolis Royal? >> >>(3) Is the present-day location of Port Royal at the location of the old Port Royal of the 1600s? >> >>(4) Is it possible that the present-day location of Port Royal came into existence long after the old Port Royal was conquered and has no relation to the old Port Royal? Just in name only? >> >>(5) Is Karsdale and Port Royal synonymous with one another? >> >>Hoping someone can help. >> >>Thanks >> >>Richard Hardwick >> >>(Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) >>RiHardwick@comcast.net >>---------------------------------------- >>Basic List Commands: >> >>1. 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AND on the eighth day God said, "OK, Murphy, take over." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trena" Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal > There were 2 Port Royal sites, one established originally in 1604; then > re-established the following year, which was eventually abandonded in > 1614. In 1632, 7 miles east of the 1604-1614 site, a new Port Royal was > established by Charles de Menou d'Aulnay. > This site was quite separate from Annapolis Royal and Port/Fort Anne. Erred with the last sentence .... The 2nd Port Royal was later (c1710) re-named Annapolis Royal. [Was thinking of something else regarding another town along further, nearer Wolfeville.] Sorry about the confusion. Toni

Hi Richard, Go here: http://www.nsplacenames.ca/ Search first Annapolis Royal, and then search Port Royal. It will show you which one is closest to Karsdale. It certainly looks like there were two separate forts, so that must be where the others are talking about. Richard Hardwick wrote: > > Hi Sue > > Another friend tells me that the old French Fort of old Port Royal was > located on the northern shore of the Annapolis River, opposite to Goat > island, 5-6 miles down river from where Annapolis Royal is today. The > British Fort was established in present day Annapolis Royal. So this > combined with what you are indicating that the "entire area" was > considered Port Royal or Annapolis Royal makes sense, including the > areas of both those forts. Eventhough those 2 forts did not co-exist, > since the area was either French or British. > > It sounds like the area where the French Fort was went away for a time > only to come back as Lower Granville and then later as a "new" Port > Royal (a new town?) at the site of where the old French Fort was. > > Am I making any sense? Just trying to summarize what I have been > recently told by several. > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Burns <mailto:sburns@gto.net> > To: Richard Hardwick <mailto:RiHardwick@comcast.net> > Cc: NS ednet list <mailto:NSroots@ednet.ns.ca> ; NOVA-SCOTIA > <mailto:NOVA-SCOTIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal > > Hi Richard, > > Port Royal as far as I know during the time of the Acadians was an > entire area, > not just a single town. While the Port Royal of today is still > within that area, it > is not the actual town. One of the original names for Port Royal > was Lower > Granville, a place-name most genealogists are familiar with. I > don't think the > name was changed from LG to PR until the 1950s or so. Karsdale was > also in > the area of Lower Granville, but may have been a separate > settlement at one > time....(not sure about that one.) > > Now within the area of Port Royal, there was a fort established by > the French. > That fort site became first Annapolis and then Annapolis Royal as > the county > of Annapolis was established. > > I don't know if the acadians named the settlements as separate > entities from the > area of Port Royal.....perhaps someone else can tell us that??? > > Sue > > Richard Hardwick wrote: > >>Hello all >> >>I was wondering if some history/geography buff might explain the differences between Port Royal and Annapolis Royal. >> >>It is/was my understanding that when the British were finally successful in their conquest at Port Royal in the early 1700s that they changed the name of Port Royal to Annapolis Royal in honor of Queen Anne. >> >>However, in recently finding info that some of my relatives are buried at Schafner's Point Cemetery, it is indicated that this cemetery is in Port Royal. And some of these interments are fairly recent. So that information sent me on a quest. >> >>After a Google of "Port Royal" and "Annapolis Royal" and the consulting of a present-day map, I find that there are 2 such named cities/towns, one up river and one down river quite a distance from one another. And on opposite shores of the Annapolis River. Wikipedia also says that there are 2 different places. Also, the information at the Annapolis County GenWeb site says that the SCHAFNER Point Cemetery is in Port Royal. (Coincidentally, I have seen SCHAFNER's Point Cemetery as being in Karsdale as well. With Karsdale being real close to Port Royal on a present-day map.) >> >>So questions abound: >> >>(1) Did the present-day site of Annapolis Royal come into existence after a move to its present site after the conquest of Port Royal that was down river? >> >>(2) Was the old Port Royal at the site of the present day Annapolis Royal? >> >>(3) Is the present-day location of Port Royal at the location of the old Port Royal of the 1600s? >> >>(4) Is it possible that the present-day location of Port Royal came into existence long after the old Port Royal was conquered and has no relation to the old Port Royal? Just in name only? >> >>(5) Is Karsdale and Port Royal synonymous with one another? >> >>Hoping someone can help. >> >>Thanks >> >>Richard Hardwick >> >>(Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) >>RiHardwick@comcast.net >>---------------------------------------- >>Basic List Commands: >> >>1. 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----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hardwick" Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Port Royal vs Annapolis Royal There were 2 Port Royal sites, one established originally in 1604; then re-established the following year, which was eventually abandonded in 1614. In 1632, 7 miles east of the 1604-1614 site, a new Port Royal was established by Charles de Menou d'Aulnay. This site was quite separate from Annapolis Royal and Port/Fort Anne. Toni

Hi Richard, Port Royal as far as I know during the time of the Acadians was an entire area, not just a single town. While the Port Royal of today is still within that area, it is not the actual town. One of the original names for Port Royal was Lower Granville, a place-name most genealogists are familiar with. I don't think the name was changed from LG to PR until the 1950s or so. Karsdale was also in the area of Lower Granville, but may have been a separate settlement at one time....(not sure about that one.) Now within the area of Port Royal, there was a fort established by the French. That fort site became first Annapolis and then Annapolis Royal as the county of Annapolis was established. I don't know if the acadians named the settlements as separate entities from the area of Port Royal.....perhaps someone else can tell us that??? Sue Richard Hardwick wrote: >Hello all > >I was wondering if some history/geography buff might explain the differences between Port Royal and Annapolis Royal. > >It is/was my understanding that when the British were finally successful in their conquest at Port Royal in the early 1700s that they changed the name of Port Royal to Annapolis Royal in honor of Queen Anne. > >However, in recently finding info that some of my relatives are buried at Schafner's Point Cemetery, it is indicated that this cemetery is in Port Royal. And some of these interments are fairly recent. So that information sent me on a quest. > >After a Google of "Port Royal" and "Annapolis Royal" and the consulting of a present-day map, I find that there are 2 such named cities/towns, one up river and one down river quite a distance from one another. And on opposite shores of the Annapolis River. Wikipedia also says that there are 2 different places. Also, the information at the Annapolis County GenWeb site says that the SCHAFNER Point Cemetery is in Port Royal. (Coincidentally, I have seen SCHAFNER's Point Cemetery as being in Karsdale as well. With Karsdale being real close to Port Royal on a present-day map.) > >So questions abound: > >(1) Did the present-day site of Annapolis Royal come into existence after a move to its present site after the conquest of Port Royal that was down river? > >(2) Was the old Port Royal at the site of the present day Annapolis Royal? > >(3) Is the present-day location of Port Royal at the location of the old Port Royal of the 1600s? > >(4) Is it possible that the present-day location of Port Royal came into existence long after the old Port Royal was conquered and has no relation to the old Port Royal? Just in name only? > >(5) Is Karsdale and Port Royal synonymous with one another? > >Hoping someone can help. > >Thanks > >Richard Hardwick > >(Researching direct lines in Nova Scotia and New England - HARDWICK, ARMSTRONG, BARTEAUX, SPURR, HENDERSON, BLACKMAR, MARSH) >RiHardwick@comcast.net >---------------------------------------- >Basic List Commands: > >1. To post to the list >Send a message to: >NOVA-SCOTIA-L@rootsweb.com > >2. How to unsubscribe >a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- >request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word >unsubscribe > >b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- >request@rootsweb.com that contains only the word >unsubscribe > >3. How to subscribe >Send an email containing only the word >subscribe >to NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com > >4. How to change to Digest mode >a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) >b. Subscribe to Digest mode >Send an email containing only the word >subscribe >to NOVA-SCOTIA-D-request@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOVA-SCOTIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >