No, you don't HAVE to register a copyright in Canada, but some people do it voluntarily because, especially in the case of self-published works, it can help you prove ownership and originality IF someone steals your intellectual property. That is one of the caveats that rarely seems to be given by those who tout self-publishing, because it doesn't cover you for distribution, royalty collection or copyright litigation costs should it be necessary. My publisher contractually undertakes to take care of that aspect of my works, which relieves me of having to find several thousand dollars to hire a lawyer if someone infringes my copyright and takes a few hundred dollars out of my potential earnings.... There has been a revision of the Canadian Copyright Act in the works for some time now, but it gets stalled going through the House of Commons because of elections etc. One of those changes is to keep works from going into the public domain 50 calendar years after the year of death of the creator. In the US, and I believe the European Union, that period is now 70 years. That means, currently, if you died today, your work would be in the public domain in April of 2060. In the US it would be come public domain in 2080. In the meantime your estate, or the person to whom you assigned that copyright (my wife in my case) and my publisher, would retain the copyright. Jay Underwood Elmsdale >From Jay Underwood and Railfare*DC Books "Ghost Tracks": http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html "From Folly to Fortune": http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html "Built for War": http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cordes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [NS-L] [LL] Chronically Horrid > Hi Bob, > > Re your statement about Canadian copyright law: I don't > believe that is the case. However, in a brief search I have > not found an *authoritative* reference for this. It would be > useful if someone could provide such a source. > > John > > On [2010-04-03 at 04:30pm] Bob Hegerich <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Malcolm: >> >> I'm not a lawyer either, but am fairly certain you are right on the >> mark. One point though . . . >> >> It has been my understanding that, under Canadian copyright law, it is >> necessary to expressly claim and register a copyright, whereas under US >> law, the courts have fairly recently held that that an author has >> an"implicit" copyright and need not register for the copyright to be >> valid. >> >> Know anything about that? >> >> -----Bob H----- > > <quoted material snipped> > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > [email protected] > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to [email protected] > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. Subscribe to Digest mode > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bob, Thanks for the article -- seems interesting, particularly in that it is written by a genealogist. The best source I've come up with for now, re the Canadian situation, is this: http://www.mcgrawhill.ca/companion/copyrightlaw/inside_the_book.php Note especially item 1(b) which states IF THERE'S NO COPYRIGHT NOTICE, IS THE WORK PROTECTED BY COPYRIGHT? Yes. Copyright protection is automatic upon the creation of a work. It is not necessary to register a work, mark it with the c in a circle, or deposit it in a copyright registry. However, there is a voluntary registration scheme through the Canadian Copyright Office where one can register a copyright work. John On [2010-04-03 at 06:50pm] Bob Hegerich <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John: > > Since this list cannot handle attachments, I will send you by separate > note the best piece I have seen on the subject, which was written in the > late 1990's. However, I have been told that US jurisprudence has since > changed and now recognizes an implicit copyright. > > But again, I'm not a lawyer, and neither was the person who cited the > change. > > -----Bob H----- > > > > > On 4/3/2010 5:23 PM, John Cordes wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > > > Re your statement about Canadian copyright law: I don't > > believe that is the case. However, in a brief search I have > > not found an *authoritative* reference for this. It would be > > useful if someone could provide such a source. > > > > John > > > > On [2010-04-03 at 04:30pm] Bob Hegerich<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi Malcolm: > >> > >> I'm not a lawyer either, but am fairly certain you are right on the > >> mark. One point though . . . > >> > >> It has been my understanding that, under Canadian copyright law, it is > >> necessary to expressly claim and register a copyright, whereas under US > >> law, the courts have fairly recently held that that an author has > >> an"implicit" copyright and need not register for the copyright to be valid. > >> > >> Know anything about that? > >> > >> -----Bob H----- > >> > > <quoted material snipped>

Thanks Malcolm. This is good information and interesting. Back in 1981, my first child was born and at that time, I wrote a poem to announce her birth. My poem resurfaces every now and again, and probably even more than I am aware of because I don't make it a habit of reading the birth announcements. Of course, the baby's name is changed and the weight is different, but the rest, the thoughtful words that I wrote and rewrote until I got it just right that day... in the hospital just after her birth, are the same. When I first saw this, I was offended. It was a personal expression that I had of course published to announce the birth of my first child. Seeing someone else use it was a bit problematic for me. Now, I try to view at as a compliment... but it is tough. I figured that it must have been good enough, that people actually saved if from the paper, only to use it years later. There is however a part of me that wonders if it is the paper that keeps recycling it... and for a fee to the new parents? I think that I am reading here, that that would NOT be legal given that the poem is basically the same... it is the one I wrote. On 3-Apr-10, at 3:18 PM, Malcolm Moody wrote: > Hi there Jay, > > Everything you say is absolutely right but you are concentrating > specifically on the "Fair Use" provision of the copyright law and I > believe that the issue at question here is a bit more fundamental. > Anything / everything written or created in Canada is protected by > Canadian copyright legislation. That means that it is the author's > property* . The author can publish it themselves or they can > "license," or employ, someone else to publish it for them. That > means they still retain the copyright of the original but if the > licensee or publisher significantly changes the layout or format then > he/she can claim a copyright on that particular presentation. (In > other works they can protect the work they have put into it.) > Alternately the author may sign over the copyright to the publisher in > "payment" (in part or in whole) for publishing the author's work. > * Unless the author has been specifically employed to create and write > the work, in which case the copyright belongs to the parson, or > corporation, paying the author's wages. > > In the case of obituaries most, as you so rightly say, are written / > created by a family member of someone who knew the deceased well and > simply wants to celebrate the person's passing. Copyright and > personal gain is the furthest thing from their mind. Nevertheless > they do own the copyright and what they do with their creation has to > be judged in that light. When they "employ" a newspaper to publish > the "obit" they are giving the newspaper free reign to typeset, print, > and publish their work in a format chosen by the newspaper (albeit > still using the original words, sentence and paragraph groupings.) In > doing so the newspaper is putting work into the piece and unless the > original copyright holder specifically requires that the newspaper > deed the rights to that work to the author** then that is, at a > minimum, how the newspaper gets to claim copyright on the published > work. > **This is never likely to happen as the newspaper probably wouldn't > agree to publish under those conditions and many, in their > "submission" form - signed when the publication is ordered - make it a > condition that the originator passes all their rights in the piece > over to the newspaper. (Always read the fine print! But even then you > will probably go ahead and tell them to publish because you don't need > a "hassle" at that time and need to get the obit published.) > > There is a popular misconception that the copyright laws > differentiate between those who copy for commercial gain and those who > coy to make freely available. Copyright is about protecting the right > of an originator to obtain a reward for making his publication > available as he sees fit. ANYONE who interferes with his ability to > earn that reward is contravening the copyright law - even if they do > it with the most civic minded motives. The fact is the work is NOT > THEIR PROPERTY to give away! It belongs to the originator. > > OK then. Unfortunately it does seem that newspapers can claim a > copyright on obituaries (without getting into the questionable > morality of these actions) but what needs to be reviewed is exactly > what has been copyright. The copyright law is very clear that > "facts", matters of "public knowledge" and ideas cannot be copyright. > Nor can individual words or common phrases. What can be copyright is > the manner of expression of the fact or knowledge, or the way in which > it is "illustrated." In an oversimplified example: the fact that Fred > died cannot be copyright but you could copyright, "Fred is dead!" and > that would not preclude someone else from publishing "Fred no longer > lives." Note: Again, this is ONLY an illustration. The copyright > law also requires that the work be "significant" and clearly neither > Fred is dead., nor Fred no longer lives are "significant" pieces of > work. > > So looking at the particular case of a newspaper's claim of > copyright: I believe the first thing you need to do is to look at the > paperwork used when they "accept" an order for the publication of an > obit. This is actually a contract and it's wording needs to be > carefully reviewed. Secondly, there are probably grounds under which > a newspaper itself can always claim a copyright on any obit it > publishes. Finally - and this is the interesting bit - any copyright > they claim ONLY applies to the wording and expression they used to > report the death. It CAN NOT apply to the fact that the death took > place or where & when the burial is to be, or to any expression of > desires by the deceased or his/her family, or of any recapitulation of > important events in the deceased's life, or of his family connections, > as these are all facts. Anyone is free to report these facts as long > as they express them using their own words and phrases. One word of > caution though. A simple transcription, i.e., an exact copy made by > reading and rewriting, is still classed as a copy. The facts have to > be differently expressed for it to become a new work. > > I'm specifically NOT commenting on funeral house obits because I > simply don't know enough about that business. > > A final word: The copyright laws come under Civil law not Criminal > law. That means that any accusation of contravening the law comes > from one individual / company and is directed at another individual / > company using the funding of the individuals involved. Unfortunately > this means that the one with the "deeper pockets" has a distinct > advantage. Further the copyright laws were drawn up and enacted quite > a few years ago when the world of publishing was VERY different. The > internet and all it brings with it was not even dreamed of and the > only people doing any significant publishing were well trained and > working for commercially savvy, paper only, publishing houses. Today > almost anyone who can afford a computer and a connection to the > internet can reach a far larger audience that these traditional > publishers. Interpreting the existing copyright laws into todays > environment is far from simple and straightforward. > > Malcolm > > Archive CD Books Canada Inc. > President: Malcolm Moody > PO Box 11 > Manotick > Ontario, K4M 1A2 > Canada. > (613) 692-2667 > WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > FACEBOOK: http://tinyurl.com/ACDB-Can-on-Facebook > > On 3 Apr, 2010, at 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:47:44 -0300 >> From: "Jay Underwood" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [NS-L] [LL] Chronically Horrid >> To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, >> <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, >> <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> The copyright act does NOT prevent you from copying this material >> (Sec. 29) >> if it is for personal use and study, and if you undertake to destroy >> any >> copies once you have completed that study (it doesn't say how long >> you have, >> so presumably you can take your own sweet time.) >> >> Funeral homes do NOT own copyright since they either write the obit >> under >> "commission" (they are being paid) or a family member writes it (I >> have >> written my own, and it sits eagerly awaiting to be unleashed from my >> laptop!), in which case the copyright lies with the person who paid >> to have >> it written, or who wrote it, and I doubt they would even bother to >> sue for >> infringement if the obit did get copied and publicized. >> >> You CANNOT sell or otherwise distribute the copies you do make for >> profit or >> personal gain, or attempt to pass it off as your own work (in other >> words, >> when you know who the creator was, that should be cited as a >> footnote/endnote, even if it is only to cite the CH and the date and >> page of >> publication) >> >> Whether or not Comical Harold does hold the copyright on its obits >> would be >> a matter for lawyers and the courts to decide, but you will >> generally find >> the CH does hold copyright on theCD it sells, so that the CD >> CANNOT be >> copied and re-sold or otherwise distributed. >> >> You will find that, from time to time, people publishing material on >> the WWW >> cite copyright for themselves for material that is in the "public >> domain," >> because they either don't know the law, or want to deter anyone from >> using >> it on a site that might draw traffic away from theirs. >> >> As the author of five books, with others "in the works" I have to >> understand >> that as much as ten per cent of any of my work could be published on >> the >> WWW, as long as I am identified as the creator, and the sources is >> properly >> cited. >> >> The only time I had an issue was when some person using an internet >> alias >> published almost half of my book "Ketchum's Folly" on a website >> withour >> crediting me as the creator or citing my book as the source. I could >> not >> pursue infringement litigation because I could not identify the >> owner of the >> website, and the ISP at that time refused (or also did not kmow) to >> reveal >> who the person was.. The site has since been taken down. >> >> Jay Underwood >> Elmsdale > > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > [email protected] > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to [email protected] > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. 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Hi Bob, Re your statement about Canadian copyright law: I don't believe that is the case. However, in a brief search I have not found an *authoritative* reference for this. It would be useful if someone could provide such a source. John On [2010-04-03 at 04:30pm] Bob Hegerich <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Malcolm: > > I'm not a lawyer either, but am fairly certain you are right on the > mark. One point though . . . > > It has been my understanding that, under Canadian copyright law, it is > necessary to expressly claim and register a copyright, whereas under US > law, the courts have fairly recently held that that an author has > an"implicit" copyright and need not register for the copyright to be valid. > > Know anything about that? > > -----Bob H----- <quoted material snipped>

Hi John: Since this list cannot handle attachments, I will send you by separate note the best piece I have seen on the subject, which was written in the late 1990's. However, I have been told that US jurisprudence has since changed and now recognizes an implicit copyright. But again, I'm not a lawyer, and neither was the person who cited the change. -----Bob H----- On 4/3/2010 5:23 PM, John Cordes wrote: > Hi Bob, > > Re your statement about Canadian copyright law: I don't > believe that is the case. However, in a brief search I have > not found an *authoritative* reference for this. It would be > useful if someone could provide such a source. > > John > > On [2010-04-03 at 04:30pm] Bob Hegerich<[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Malcolm: >> >> I'm not a lawyer either, but am fairly certain you are right on the >> mark. One point though . . . >> >> It has been my understanding that, under Canadian copyright law, it is >> necessary to expressly claim and register a copyright, whereas under US >> law, the courts have fairly recently held that that an author has >> an"implicit" copyright and need not register for the copyright to be valid. >> >> Know anything about that? >> >> -----Bob H----- >> > <quoted material snipped> > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > [email protected] > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to [email protected] > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. Subscribe to Digest mode > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Malcolm: I'm not a lawyer either, but am fairly certain you are right on the mark. One point though . . . It has been my understanding that, under Canadian copyright law, it is necessary to expressly claim and register a copyright, whereas under US law, the courts have fairly recently held that that an author has an"implicit" copyright and need not register for the copyright to be valid. Know anything about that? -----Bob H----- On 4/3/2010 2:18 PM, Malcolm Moody wrote: > Hi there Jay, > > Everything you say is absolutely right but you are concentrating > specifically on the "Fair Use" provision of the copyright law and I > believe that the issue at question here is a bit more fundamental. > Anything / everything written or created in Canada is protected by > Canadian copyright legislation. That means that it is the author's > property* . The author can publish it themselves or they can > "license," or employ, someone else to publish it for them. That > means they still retain the copyright of the original but if the > licensee or publisher significantly changes the layout or format then > he/she can claim a copyright on that particular presentation. (In > other works they can protect the work they have put into it.) > Alternately the author may sign over the copyright to the publisher in > "payment" (in part or in whole) for publishing the author's work. > * Unless the author has been specifically employed to create and write > the work, in which case the copyright belongs to the parson, or > corporation, paying the author's wages. > > In the case of obituaries most, as you so rightly say, are written / > created by a family member of someone who knew the deceased well and > simply wants to celebrate the person's passing. Copyright and > personal gain is the furthest thing from their mind. Nevertheless > they do own the copyright and what they do with their creation has to > be judged in that light. When they "employ" a newspaper to publish > the "obit" they are giving the newspaper free reign to typeset, print, > and publish their work in a format chosen by the newspaper (albeit > still using the original words, sentence and paragraph groupings.) In > doing so the newspaper is putting work into the piece and unless the > original copyright holder specifically requires that the newspaper > deed the rights to that work to the author** then that is, at a > minimum, how the newspaper gets to claim copyright on the published > work. > **This is never likely to happen as the newspaper probably wouldn't > agree to publish under those conditions and many, in their > "submission" form - signed when the publication is ordered - make it a > condition that the originator passes all their rights in the piece > over to the newspaper. (Always read the fine print! But even then you > will probably go ahead and tell them to publish because you don't need > a "hassle" at that time and need to get the obit published.) > > There is a popular misconception that the copyright laws > differentiate between those who copy for commercial gain and those who > coy to make freely available. Copyright is about protecting the right > of an originator to obtain a reward for making his publication > available as he sees fit. ANYONE who interferes with his ability to > earn that reward is contravening the copyright law - even if they do > it with the most civic minded motives. The fact is the work is NOT > THEIR PROPERTY to give away! It belongs to the originator. > > OK then. Unfortunately it does seem that newspapers can claim a > copyright on obituaries (without getting into the questionable > morality of these actions) but what needs to be reviewed is exactly > what has been copyright. The copyright law is very clear that > "facts", matters of "public knowledge" and ideas cannot be copyright. > Nor can individual words or common phrases. What can be copyright is > the manner of expression of the fact or knowledge, or the way in which > it is "illustrated." In an oversimplified example: the fact that Fred > died cannot be copyright but you could copyright, "Fred is dead!" and > that would not preclude someone else from publishing "Fred no longer > lives." Note: Again, this is ONLY an illustration. The copyright > law also requires that the work be "significant" and clearly neither > Fred is dead., nor Fred no longer lives are "significant" pieces of > work. > > So looking at the particular case of a newspaper's claim of > copyright: I believe the first thing you need to do is to look at the > paperwork used when they "accept" an order for the publication of an > obit. This is actually a contract and it's wording needs to be > carefully reviewed. Secondly, there are probably grounds under which > a newspaper itself can always claim a copyright on any obit it > publishes. Finally - and this is the interesting bit - any copyright > they claim ONLY applies to the wording and expression they used to > report the death. It CAN NOT apply to the fact that the death took > place or where& when the burial is to be, or to any expression of > desires by the deceased or his/her family, or of any recapitulation of > important events in the deceased's life, or of his family connections, > as these are all facts. Anyone is free to report these facts as long > as they express them using their own words and phrases. One word of > caution though. A simple transcription, i.e., an exact copy made by > reading and rewriting, is still classed as a copy. The facts have to > be differently expressed for it to become a new work. > > I'm specifically NOT commenting on funeral house obits because I > simply don't know enough about that business. > > A final word: The copyright laws come under Civil law not Criminal > law. That means that any accusation of contravening the law comes > from one individual / company and is directed at another individual / > company using the funding of the individuals involved. Unfortunately > this means that the one with the "deeper pockets" has a distinct > advantage. Further the copyright laws were drawn up and enacted quite > a few years ago when the world of publishing was VERY different. The > internet and all it brings with it was not even dreamed of and the > only people doing any significant publishing were well trained and > working for commercially savvy, paper only, publishing houses. Today > almost anyone who can afford a computer and a connection to the > internet can reach a far larger audience that these traditional > publishers. Interpreting the existing copyright laws into todays > environment is far from simple and straightforward. > > Malcolm > > Archive CD Books Canada Inc. > President: Malcolm Moody > PO Box 11 > Manotick > Ontario, K4M 1A2 > Canada. > (613) 692-2667 > WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > FACEBOOK: http://tinyurl.com/ACDB-Can-on-Facebook > > On 3 Apr, 2010, at 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:47:44 -0300 >> From: "Jay Underwood"<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [NS-L] [LL] Chronically Horrid >> To:<[email protected]>,<[email protected]>, >> <[email protected]>,<[email protected]>, >> <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Message-ID:<[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> The copyright act does NOT prevent you from copying this material >> (Sec. 29) >> if it is for personal use and study, and if you undertake to destroy >> any >> copies once you have completed that study (it doesn't say how long >> you have, >> so presumably you can take your own sweet time.) >> >> Funeral homes do NOT own copyright since they either write the obit >> under >> "commission" (they are being paid) or a family member writes it (I >> have >> written my own, and it sits eagerly awaiting to be unleashed from my >> laptop!), in which case the copyright lies with the person who paid >> to have >> it written, or who wrote it, and I doubt they would even bother to >> sue for >> infringement if the obit did get copied and publicized. >> >> You CANNOT sell or otherwise distribute the copies you do make for >> profit or >> personal gain, or attempt to pass it off as your own work (in other >> words, >> when you know who the creator was, that should be cited as a >> footnote/endnote, even if it is only to cite the CH and the date and >> page of >> publication) >> >> Whether or not Comical Harold does hold the copyright on its obits >> would be >> a matter for lawyers and the courts to decide, but you will >> generally find >> the CH does hold copyright on theCD it sells, so that the CD CANNOT be >> copied and re-sold or otherwise distributed. >> >> You will find that, from time to time, people publishing material on >> the WWW >> cite copyright for themselves for material that is in the "public >> domain," >> because they either don't know the law, or want to deter anyone from >> using >> it on a site that might draw traffic away from theirs. >> >> As the author of five books, with others "in the works" I have to >> understand >> that as much as ten per cent of any of my work could be published on >> the >> WWW, as long as I am identified as the creator, and the sources is >> properly >> cited. >> >> The only time I had an issue was when some person using an internet >> alias >> published almost half of my book "Ketchum's Folly" on a website >> withour >> crediting me as the creator or citing my book as the source. I could >> not >> pursue infringement litigation because I could not identify the >> owner of the >> website, and the ISP at that time refused (or also did not kmow) to >> reveal >> who the person was.. The site has since been taken down. >> >> Jay Underwood >> Elmsdale >> > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > [email protected] > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to [email protected] > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. 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The problem with modern day obituaries, is very simple. It might be published in the Herald, but could also be published in a local paper, here, that would be the Spectator. Besides those two publications, it might also be posted to the funeral home site. Then you have the actual author, who may be family, who wrote it. I don't think there is any clear copywrite owner, and because of that, it can safely be considered public domain. But then again, I'm not a lawyer. Smile.

Hi there Jay, Everything you say is absolutely right but you are concentrating specifically on the "Fair Use" provision of the copyright law and I believe that the issue at question here is a bit more fundamental. Anything / everything written or created in Canada is protected by Canadian copyright legislation. That means that it is the author's property* . The author can publish it themselves or they can "license," or employ, someone else to publish it for them. That means they still retain the copyright of the original but if the licensee or publisher significantly changes the layout or format then he/she can claim a copyright on that particular presentation. (In other works they can protect the work they have put into it.) Alternately the author may sign over the copyright to the publisher in "payment" (in part or in whole) for publishing the author's work. * Unless the author has been specifically employed to create and write the work, in which case the copyright belongs to the parson, or corporation, paying the author's wages. In the case of obituaries most, as you so rightly say, are written / created by a family member of someone who knew the deceased well and simply wants to celebrate the person's passing. Copyright and personal gain is the furthest thing from their mind. Nevertheless they do own the copyright and what they do with their creation has to be judged in that light. When they "employ" a newspaper to publish the "obit" they are giving the newspaper free reign to typeset, print, and publish their work in a format chosen by the newspaper (albeit still using the original words, sentence and paragraph groupings.) In doing so the newspaper is putting work into the piece and unless the original copyright holder specifically requires that the newspaper deed the rights to that work to the author** then that is, at a minimum, how the newspaper gets to claim copyright on the published work. **This is never likely to happen as the newspaper probably wouldn't agree to publish under those conditions and many, in their "submission" form - signed when the publication is ordered - make it a condition that the originator passes all their rights in the piece over to the newspaper. (Always read the fine print! But even then you will probably go ahead and tell them to publish because you don't need a "hassle" at that time and need to get the obit published.) There is a popular misconception that the copyright laws differentiate between those who copy for commercial gain and those who coy to make freely available. Copyright is about protecting the right of an originator to obtain a reward for making his publication available as he sees fit. ANYONE who interferes with his ability to earn that reward is contravening the copyright law - even if they do it with the most civic minded motives. The fact is the work is NOT THEIR PROPERTY to give away! It belongs to the originator. OK then. Unfortunately it does seem that newspapers can claim a copyright on obituaries (without getting into the questionable morality of these actions) but what needs to be reviewed is exactly what has been copyright. The copyright law is very clear that "facts", matters of "public knowledge" and ideas cannot be copyright. Nor can individual words or common phrases. What can be copyright is the manner of expression of the fact or knowledge, or the way in which it is "illustrated." In an oversimplified example: the fact that Fred died cannot be copyright but you could copyright, "Fred is dead!" and that would not preclude someone else from publishing "Fred no longer lives." Note: Again, this is ONLY an illustration. The copyright law also requires that the work be "significant" and clearly neither Fred is dead., nor Fred no longer lives are "significant" pieces of work. So looking at the particular case of a newspaper's claim of copyright: I believe the first thing you need to do is to look at the paperwork used when they "accept" an order for the publication of an obit. This is actually a contract and it's wording needs to be carefully reviewed. Secondly, there are probably grounds under which a newspaper itself can always claim a copyright on any obit it publishes. Finally - and this is the interesting bit - any copyright they claim ONLY applies to the wording and expression they used to report the death. It CAN NOT apply to the fact that the death took place or where & when the burial is to be, or to any expression of desires by the deceased or his/her family, or of any recapitulation of important events in the deceased's life, or of his family connections, as these are all facts. Anyone is free to report these facts as long as they express them using their own words and phrases. One word of caution though. A simple transcription, i.e., an exact copy made by reading and rewriting, is still classed as a copy. The facts have to be differently expressed for it to become a new work. I'm specifically NOT commenting on funeral house obits because I simply don't know enough about that business. A final word: The copyright laws come under Civil law not Criminal law. That means that any accusation of contravening the law comes from one individual / company and is directed at another individual / company using the funding of the individuals involved. Unfortunately this means that the one with the "deeper pockets" has a distinct advantage. Further the copyright laws were drawn up and enacted quite a few years ago when the world of publishing was VERY different. The internet and all it brings with it was not even dreamed of and the only people doing any significant publishing were well trained and working for commercially savvy, paper only, publishing houses. Today almost anyone who can afford a computer and a connection to the internet can reach a far larger audience that these traditional publishers. Interpreting the existing copyright laws into todays environment is far from simple and straightforward. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca FACEBOOK: http://tinyurl.com/ACDB-Can-on-Facebook On 3 Apr, 2010, at 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:47:44 -0300 > From: "Jay Underwood" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NS-L] [LL] Chronically Horrid > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The copyright act does NOT prevent you from copying this material > (Sec. 29) > if it is for personal use and study, and if you undertake to destroy > any > copies once you have completed that study (it doesn't say how long > you have, > so presumably you can take your own sweet time.) > > Funeral homes do NOT own copyright since they either write the obit > under > "commission" (they are being paid) or a family member writes it (I > have > written my own, and it sits eagerly awaiting to be unleashed from my > laptop!), in which case the copyright lies with the person who paid > to have > it written, or who wrote it, and I doubt they would even bother to > sue for > infringement if the obit did get copied and publicized. > > You CANNOT sell or otherwise distribute the copies you do make for > profit or > personal gain, or attempt to pass it off as your own work (in other > words, > when you know who the creator was, that should be cited as a > footnote/endnote, even if it is only to cite the CH and the date and > page of > publication) > > Whether or not Comical Harold does hold the copyright on its obits > would be > a matter for lawyers and the courts to decide, but you will > generally find > the CH does hold copyright on theCD it sells, so that the CD CANNOT be > copied and re-sold or otherwise distributed. > > You will find that, from time to time, people publishing material on > the WWW > cite copyright for themselves for material that is in the "public > domain," > because they either don't know the law, or want to deter anyone from > using > it on a site that might draw traffic away from theirs. > > As the author of five books, with others "in the works" I have to > understand > that as much as ten per cent of any of my work could be published on > the > WWW, as long as I am identified as the creator, and the sources is > properly > cited. > > The only time I had an issue was when some person using an internet > alias > published almost half of my book "Ketchum's Folly" on a website > withour > crediting me as the creator or citing my book as the source. I could > not > pursue infringement litigation because I could not identify the > owner of the > website, and the ISP at that time refused (or also did not kmow) to > reveal > who the person was.. The site has since been taken down. > > Jay Underwood > Elmsdale

Sorry to rejoin the conversation so late. The dirty trick is that the Abominably Horrid keeps on changing the ground rules. Just when you start relying on the fact that obits are available for a long time, they change it to only 1 week. Last year, when they were making other changes, everything was thrown into chaos. So, as I said, it has been over 1 YEAR since I last was copying obits. I have lost the potential information for the community I am following. Another lister has offered some good suggestions about alternative routes to finding obits. Now, off course, a year after my genealogy partner in crime, my mother, has passed away, I am trying to get back into the routine. All the work she was doing is still here, but I'm not ready for that yet. Oh, and by the way, I've not received a response from them either. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth" <[email protected]> To: "wally baker" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [LL] [NS-L] Chronically Horrid > Wally (and others) - > > The issue is that you now have to save the obituary as an IMAGE rather > than > being able to save it as TEXT. This means that it is no longer possible to > copy it directly into a genealogy program (in the "Notes") as the text of > an > obituary which many of us do. > > Since many of us are researching/following multiple family lines, retyping > all of these images into our genealogy program files takes a lot of time > and > effort that previously was not necessary. > > The other problem seems to be that the obituaries are now only available > for > a week. It used to be that you could search for a much longer period or at > least go back day by day (even before there was a search function). This > is > not very helpful if you happen to be away from the internet for more than > a > few days. > > Elizabeth (in Ottawa) > > -------Original Message------- > > From: wally baker > Date: 31/03/2010 11:12:30 PM > To: Lunen-Links > Subject: Re: [LL] [NS-L] Chronically Horrid > > I am not experiencing any problem. I just put my cursor on the obituary, > right click on the obit, and click either copy or copy image. I then go to > MS Word (or a blank email to send) andleft click on paste. It hasworked > every time for me.The only thing I haven't figured out is why the > Chronicle-Herald is playing around with this program the way they are. > However, I can remember when the Halifax Herald and the Halifax Chronicle > first merged and they have behaved in the same dumb, obstinate way ever > since. Such is their culture. > > Wallie Baker, Florida > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ginny Bergmann <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 4:08:59 PM > Subject: Re: [NS-L] Chronically Horrid > > > It sounded to me like he was saying they were charging a fee to see the > obits now. > > Virginia (Ward) Bergmann > Researching Hants County surnames: > WARD, MOSHER, CALDWELL, LOWTHERS, BERRY > > > >> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:07:31 -0400 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NS-L] Chronically Horrid >> >> Not sure if this is a similar process, but when a webpage doesn't allow >> one to copy with the mouse and right-click option, IF the desired text >> can >> be highlighted, then highlight and use the menu bar version of Edit and >> Copy. When that doesn't even work, I sometimes (unless it would violate >> a >> valid copyright law) use Shift/Print Screen, then paste into MSPaint or >> some other photo/graphics program, and save it as a .jpg file or similar >> for later transcription. >> >> Just a couple "tricks of the trade"... >> >> Jared >> >> > Not sure why this ranks as "a dirty trick." >> > >> > If you right click on the obituary, you can save it as a picture in the >> > "My >> > Pictures" folder of your "My Documents" folder (in Windows), and >> > transcribe >> > it at you leisure later, or simply paste it as a picture into a page. >> > >> > Jay Underwood >> > Elmsdale >> > ------------------------ >> Jared "Jed" Handspicker >> [email protected] >> >> "Do your best; let God do the rest." >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> Basic List Commands: >> >> 1. To post to the list >> Send a message to: >> [email protected] >> >> 2. How to unsubscribe >> a. 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Thanks Hoawrd, I see two more small cemeteries on the Lornevale road and the old "Back road" that were not on either of my other maps (Although the links you sent me don't show one by the museum?) Well, we're off to see the wife's grandmother in Wentworth on Sunday,...have to break out the old charm agin! :-) Jay Underwood Elmsdale >From Jay Underwood and Railfare*DC Books "Ghost Tracks": http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html "From Folly to Fortune": http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html "Built for War": http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Blaxland To: Jay Underwood Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Londonderry cemetery Jay: you might try these 2 sites. They show the graveyards. I have used them to locate graveyards that that are not very well known. http://www.mytopo.com/maps.cfm?search_string=londonderry+nova+scotia http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/topo/map Howard on P. E. I. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Jay Underwood <[email protected]> wrote: So with the nice weather, and me putting the old charm into overdrive, the missus was persuaded to drive me out to Londonderry to check Hillcrest Cemetery for the resting place of Robert Forman and any of his kin. He's not there! We checked St. Ambrose Roman Catholic Cemeytrey across the road, even though I knew he was not Catholic...and then came to find that one of the mas I had has another cemetray plotted on land just behind the old museum...We couldn't see any road or path, and so I decided not to push the old charm too much (always leave SOME in reserve), and we headed ovber the mountains for the in-laws' place and some other photos I needed that way. I know Forman is not interred in the Erskine Cemetery, because what I assume to be an entire transcription is on the WWW. Does anyone know of a third, unnamed cemetery in Londonderry? I may have to ask big brother to take ne back and check it out...don't need to use the ol' charm on him. BTW Gerry Byers...the road into Hillcrest is dry and firm, you shouldn't have any problems! Jay Underwood Elmsdale >From Jay Underwood and Railfare*DC Books "Ghost Tracks": http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html "From Folly to Fortune": http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html "Built for War": http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html ---------------------------------------- Basic List Commands: 1. To post to the list Send a message to: [email protected] 2. How to unsubscribe a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- [email protected] that contains only the word unsubscribe b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- [email protected] that contains only the word unsubscribe 3. How to subscribe Send an email containing only the word subscribe to [email protected] 4. How to change to Digest mode a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) b. Subscribe to Digest mode Send an email containing only the word subscribe to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- http://www.islandregister.com/gindex.html

Hello List, I am looking for family of (wife & children of) James LESLIE, a Scotsman, who, reportedly, came up from the Colonies with the Loyalists to Shelburne ( Sherburne, NS). He is listed as a passenger on the APOLLO. James LESLIE was a house carpenter. I am a descendant of David LESLIE, who was having children in NB, 1810-1826. We are trying figure out whether David could be a son of James. So think he might have been born abt. 1783-1793, after father was in NS. We do not know when David came to NB, other than believe it was before 1810, when his children were born. Thanks for any suggestions. Linda Sparks Maine, USA

Welcome to April: I just realized that early this morning I was asleep and sent this to the wrong address. I hope those of you on the East Coast have boats or are on the high ground. I just read Jared's "Nickerson" response and feel compelled to tell this list that people like Jared, Bob H. and Jay U. are what make genealogy fun for me. Thank you guys .... and this is not "APRIL FOOLING." Jerry Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Learn more. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3

So with the nice weather, and me putting the old charm into overdrive, the missus was persuaded to drive me out to Londonderry to check Hillcrest Cemetery for the resting place of Robert Forman and any of his kin. He's not there! We checked St. Ambrose Roman Catholic Cemeytrey across the road, even though I knew he was not Catholic...and then came to find that one of the mas I had has another cemetray plotted on land just behind the old museum...We couldn't see any road or path, and so I decided not to push the old charm too much (always leave SOME in reserve), and we headed ovber the mountains for the in-laws' place and some other photos I needed that way. I know Forman is not interred in the Erskine Cemetery, because what I assume to be an entire transcription is on the WWW. Does anyone know of a third, unnamed cemetery in Londonderry? I may have to ask big brother to take ne back and check it out...don't need to use the ol' charm on him. BTW Gerry Byers...the road into Hillcrest is dry and firm, you shouldn't have any problems! Jay Underwood Elmsdale >From Jay Underwood and Railfare*DC Books "Ghost Tracks": http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html "From Folly to Fortune": http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html "Built for War": http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html

The copyright act does NOT prevent you from copying this material (Sec. 29) if it is for personal use and study, and if you undertake to destroy any copies once you have completed that study (it doesn't say how long you have, so presumably you can take your own sweet time.) Funeral homes do NOT own copyright since they either write the obit under "commission" (they are being paid) or a family member writes it (I have written my own, and it sits eagerly awaiting to be unleashed from my laptop!), in which case the copyright lies with the person who paid to have it written, or who wrote it, and I doubt they would even bother to sue for infringement if the obit did get copied and publicized. You CANNOT sell or otherwise distribute the copies you do make for profit or personal gain, or attempt to pass it off as your own work (in other words, when you know who the creator was, that should be cited as a footnote/endnote, even if it is only to cite the CH and the date and page of publication) Whether or not Comical Harold does hold the copyright on its obits would be a matter for lawyers and the courts to decide, but you will generally find the CH does hold copyright on theCD it sells, so that the CD CANNOT be copied and re-sold or otherwise distributed. You will find that, from time to time, people publishing material on the WWW cite copyright for themselves for material that is in the "public domain," because they either don't know the law, or want to deter anyone from using it on a site that might draw traffic away from theirs. As the author of five books, with others "in the works" I have to understand that as much as ten per cent of any of my work could be published on the WWW, as long as I am identified as the creator, and the sources is properly cited. The only time I had an issue was when some person using an internet alias published almost half of my book "Ketchum's Folly" on a website withour crediting me as the creator or citing my book as the source. I could not pursue infringement litigation because I could not identify the owner of the website, and the ISP at that time refused (or also did not kmow) to reveal who the person was.. The site has since been taken down. Jay Underwood Elmsdale >From Jay Underwood and Railfare*DC Books "Ghost Tracks": http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html "From Folly to Fortune": http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html "Built for War": http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [NS-L] [LL] Chronically Horrid > Question: > Folks keep eluding to some copyright laws on obituaries. Does anyone know > what the actual law is? Does the fact that the funeral homes are also > posting the obituaries online nullify any copyright infringement (as long > as the > obits are not sold..... hhmmm CH does sell the obits). > > What would happen if we posted the obits on a page/group in Facebook > daily? This could be a private group requiring membership approval. It > wouldn't > solve the Image vs text issue as the only way you could do this quickly > would be to upload the image as a picture, but at least we would have one > place to go that wouldn't disappear after a week. > > Just a thought...... > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2010 9:05:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Wally (and others) - > > The issue is that you now have to save the obituary as an IMAGE rather > than > being able to save it as TEXT. This means that it is no longer possible > to > copy it directly into a genealogy program (in the "Notes") as the text of > an > obituary which many of us do. > > Since many of us are researching/following multiple family lines, > retyping > all of these images into our genealogy program files takes a lot of time > and > effort that previously was not necessary. > > The other problem seems to be that the obituaries are now only available > for > a week. It used to be that you could search for a much longer period or > at > least go back day by day (even before there was a search function). This > is > not very helpful if you happen to be away from the internet for more than > a > few days. > > Elizabeth (in Ottawa) > > -------Original Message------- > > From: wally baker > Date: 31/03/2010 11:12:30 PM > To: Lunen-Links > Subject: Re: [LL] [NS-L] Chronically Horrid > > I am not experiencing any problem. I just put my cursor on the obituary, > right click on the obit, and click either copy or copy image. I then go > to > MS Word (or a blank email to send) andleft click on paste. It hasworked > every time for me.The only thing I haven't figured out is why the > Chronicle-Herald is playing around with this program the way they are. > However, I can remember when the Halifax Herald and the Halifax Chronicle > first merged and they have behaved in the same dumb, obstinate way ever > since. Such is their culture. > > Wallie Baker, Florida > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ginny Bergmann <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 4:08:59 PM > Subject: Re: [NS-L] Chronically Horrid > > > It sounded to me like he was saying they were charging a fee to see the > obits now. > > Virginia (Ward) Bergmann > Researching Hants County surnames: > WARD, MOSHER, CALDWELL, LOWTHERS, BERRY > > > >> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:07:31 -0400 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NS-L] Chronically Horrid >> >> Not sure if this is a similar process, but when a webpage doesn't allow >> one to copy with the mouse and right-click option, IF the desired text > can >> be highlighted, then highlight and use the menu bar version of Edit and >> Copy. When that doesn't even work, I sometimes (unless it would violate > a >> valid copyright law) use Shift/Print Screen, then paste into MSPaint or >> some other photo/graphics program, and save it as a .jpg file or similar >> for later transcription. >> >> Just a couple "tricks of the trade"... >> >> Jared >> >> > Not sure why this ranks as "a dirty trick." >> > >> > If you right click on the obituary, you can save it as a picture in >> > the >> > "My >> > Pictures" folder of your "My Documents" folder (in Windows), and >> > transcribe >> > it at you leisure later, or simply paste it as a picture into a page. >> > >> > Jay Underwood >> > Elmsdale >> > ------------------------ >> Jared "Jed" Handspicker >> [email protected] >> >> "Do your best; let God do the rest." >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> Basic List Commands: >> >> 1. To post to the list >> Send a message to: >> [email protected] >> >> 2. How to unsubscribe >> a. 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Question: Folks keep eluding to some copyright laws on obituaries. Does anyone know what the actual law is? Does the fact that the funeral homes are also posting the obituaries online nullify any copyright infringement (as long as the obits are not sold..... hhmmm CH does sell the obits). What would happen if we posted the obits on a page/group in Facebook daily? This could be a private group requiring membership approval. It wouldn't solve the Image vs text issue as the only way you could do this quickly would be to upload the image as a picture, but at least we would have one place to go that wouldn't disappear after a week. Just a thought...... In a message dated 4/2/2010 9:05:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Wally (and others) - The issue is that you now have to save the obituary as an IMAGE rather than being able to save it as TEXT. This means that it is no longer possible to copy it directly into a genealogy program (in the "Notes") as the text of an obituary which many of us do. Since many of us are researching/following multiple family lines, retyping all of these images into our genealogy program files takes a lot of time and effort that previously was not necessary. The other problem seems to be that the obituaries are now only available for a week. It used to be that you could search for a much longer period or at least go back day by day (even before there was a search function). This is not very helpful if you happen to be away from the internet for more than a few days. Elizabeth (in Ottawa) -------Original Message------- From: wally baker Date: 31/03/2010 11:12:30 PM To: Lunen-Links Subject: Re: [LL] [NS-L] Chronically Horrid I am not experiencing any problem. I just put my cursor on the obituary, right click on the obit, and click either copy or copy image. I then go to MS Word (or a blank email to send) andleft click on paste. It hasworked every time for me.The only thing I haven't figured out is why the Chronicle-Herald is playing around with this program the way they are. However, I can remember when the Halifax Herald and the Halifax Chronicle first merged and they have behaved in the same dumb, obstinate way ever since. Such is their culture. Wallie Baker, Florida ________________________________ From: Ginny Bergmann <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 4:08:59 PM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Chronically Horrid It sounded to me like he was saying they were charging a fee to see the obits now. Virginia (Ward) Bergmann Researching Hants County surnames: WARD, MOSHER, CALDWELL, LOWTHERS, BERRY > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:07:31 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NS-L] Chronically Horrid > > Not sure if this is a similar process, but when a webpage doesn't allow > one to copy with the mouse and right-click option, IF the desired text can > be highlighted, then highlight and use the menu bar version of Edit and > Copy. When that doesn't even work, I sometimes (unless it would violate a > valid copyright law) use Shift/Print Screen, then paste into MSPaint or > some other photo/graphics program, and save it as a .jpg file or similar > for later transcription. > > Just a couple "tricks of the trade"... > > Jared > > > Not sure why this ranks as "a dirty trick." > > > > If you right click on the obituary, you can save it as a picture in the > > "My > > Pictures" folder of your "My Documents" folder (in Windows), and > > transcribe > > it at you leisure later, or simply paste it as a picture into a page. > > > > Jay Underwood > > Elmsdale > > ------------------------ > Jared "Jed" Handspicker > [email protected] > > "Do your best; let God do the rest." > > > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > [email protected] > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. 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Welcome to April: I hope those of you on the East Coast have boats or are on the high ground. I just read Jared's "Nickerson" response and feel compelled to tell this list that people like Jared, Bob H. and Jay U. are what make genealogy fun. Thank you guys .... and this is not "APRIL FOOLING." Jerry _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

Eastern Chronicle, New Glasgow, N.S., 05 Nov 1942: Former New Glasgowian Dies In Montreal Word was received this week of the unexpected death of H. Robert Fraser, better known as "Bob" and son of the late Mr. and Mrs. James Simon Fraser of Temperance Street. Bob was well known here and a general favorite. For the past few years he had been working as an electrician in the Naval Yards at Halifax and went to Montreal on a trip. Word of his death was received here with deep regret for "Bob" was a likeable fellow and had only friends. Dr. Fred Fraser is a brother, residing here. Other members of his family are two sisters, Mrs. Palfrey of Vancouver, B.C., and Mrs. Hunter of Montreal and a brother Stanley Fraser, barrister of Halifax. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Funeral of Late Mrs. John Dunn Merigomish The funeral of the late Mrs. John Dunn, nee Jean Brown, was held yesterday at Merigomish and attended by very many friends. The deceased was a highly respected lady and all her life was spent at Merigomish, she having been a daughter of the late Robert Brown of Brownville, Merigomish. She is survived by two brothers William, engineer in British Columbia and David in New Glasgow and one sister, Mrs. MacIntosh of New Glasgow. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx David C. MacKenzie After an illness of several months, the death of David Cameron MacKenzie, 33 year old son of Mrs. MacKenzie and the late Donald MacKenzie, View Street, New Glasgow, occured. He spent some time in the United States receiving medical treatment but passed away three weeks after his return home. He was a popular employee of the New Glasgow Post Office staff. Surviving is his wife, the former Stella Hambelton, New Glasgow and two daughters, June and Hazel. Besides his mother , he is also survived by one brother, Kenneth, serving in England, with the Canadian Forces, and by three sisters, Hazel, wife of Dr. Charles Butters and Miss Ida, both of Medford, Mass., and Miss Katherine, at home. Rev.Geo.N. Gillis and Rev.W.H. Heusein both of Hopewell, conducted the funeral service. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Carolyn Wallace

In case anyone has an interest in the Brackett surname pertaining to Jared's and Sandy's recent messages, Thomas Brackett of Herring Cove, NS, married Hannah Holt of Halifax at St. Paul's Cof E Church, Halifax, 24 Feb. 1846 by Rev. Tracy. It was their daughter Rose who married James R. Nickerson of Sherbrooke, Guysborough County. Iris "Nova Scotia L" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [NS-L] Elizabeth NICKERSON/Ora Eugene STEEVES/? M(A)CCONNELL Ah, Jared...I'm SO PLEASED that you had "play" time today!!! You have solved a very old brick wall that I had and I thank you very much for what you provided! All the best, Sandi Bellefeuille Mississauga, ON Here's what I was able to find (not related, but had some "play" time to exercise my genealogical wings...) Lizzie May Steeves (Steves in transcription), m. Stillman ?Gerald? McConnell, 08-Oct-1927, at ?Auburn? Kings Co, NS. He was 23, bachelor, res. in Sydney, Cape Breton, b. Aspen?, Guysboro Co, NS, s/o Edwin McConnell b. ?Aspen?, and Lillian or Allison Nichols. Record shows Lizzie May Steves (Steeves) as 33, widow, b. Halifax, residing in ?Auburn?, Kings Co, NS, d/o James Nickerson b. Sherbrook, Guysboro Co, NS, and Rose Brackett. Indeed, Stillman McConnell, b. 04-Apr-1904, NS, d. Jun-1974, with a last residence listed as Baltimore, MD. Jared > Hi Folks: > > My great aunt, Elizabeth NICKERSON d/o James Rupert & Rose Emma (Brackett) > , born 30 May 1885 (Late birth registration: 1904, pg 69300956), Halifax, > married 29 Mar 1912, Halifax1) Ora Eugene STEEVES, s/o Frederick William & > Elizabeth A. (Colpitts), who died 23 Dec 1924 in Aylesford, Kings, NS. > She obviously m a Mr. MacConnell prior to November 1927, as her late birth > registration was signed 22 Nov 1927 as Lizzie May Nickerson MacConnell. > > My family remember that she lived in Baltimore, MD however, on checking > over the 1930 US census, she & Mr. MacConnell are not listed, so they must > have married in NS. > > Do any of these names ring bells with anyone?? > > Many thanks, > Sandi Bellefeuille > Mississauga, ON > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > [email protected] > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to [email protected] > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. Subscribe to Digest mode > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------ Jared "Jed" Handspicker [email protected] "Do your best; let God do the rest." ---------------------------------------- Basic List Commands: 1. To post to the list Send a message to: [email protected] 2. How to unsubscribe a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- [email protected] that contains only the word unsubscribe b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- [email protected] that contains only the word unsubscribe 3. How to subscribe Send an email containing only the word subscribe to [email protected] 4. How to change to Digest mode a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) b. Subscribe to Digest mode Send an email containing only the word subscribe to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sandi, Here's what I was able to find (not related, but had some "play" time to exercise my genealogical wings...) Lizzie May Steeves (Steves in transcription), m. Stillman ?Gerald? McConnell, 08-Oct-1927, at ?Auburn? Kings Co, NS. He was 23, bachelor, res. in Sydney, Cape Breton, b. Aspen?, Guysboro Co, NS, s/o Edwin McConnell b. ?Aspen?, and Lillian or Allison Nichols. Record shows Lizzie May Steves (Steeves) as 33, widow, b. Halifax, residing in ?Auburn?, Kings Co, NS, d/o James Nickerson b. Sherbrook, Guysboro Co, NS, and Rose Brackett. Indeed, Stillman McConnell, b. 04-Apr-1904, NS, d. Jun-1974, with a last residence listed as Baltimore, MD. Jared > Hi Folks: > > My great aunt, Elizabeth NICKERSON d/o James Rupert & Rose Emma (Brackett) > , born 30 May 1885 (Late birth registration: 1904, pg 69300956), Halifax, > married 29 Mar 1912, Halifax1) Ora Eugene STEEVES, s/o Frederick William & > Elizabeth A. (Colpitts), who died 23 Dec 1924 in Aylesford, Kings, NS.  > She obviously m a Mr. MacConnell prior to November 1927, as her late birth > registration was signed 22 Nov 1927 as Lizzie May Nickerson MacConnell. > > My family remember that she lived in Baltimore, MD however, on checking > over the 1930 US census, she & Mr. MacConnell are not listed, so they must > have married in NS. > > Do any of these names ring bells with anyone?? > > Many thanks, > Sandi Bellefeuille > Mississauga, ON > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > [email protected] > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode: Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to [email protected] > > 4. How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. Subscribe to Digest mode > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------ Jared "Jed" Handspicker [email protected] "Do your best; let God do the rest."

Ah, Jared...I'm SO PLEASED that you had "play" time today!!! You have solved a very old brick wall that I had and I thank you very much for what you provided! All the best, Sandi Bellefeuille Mississauga, ON Here's what I was able to find (not related, but had some "play" time to exercise my genealogical wings...) Lizzie May Steeves (Steves in transcription), m. Stillman ?Gerald? McConnell, 08-Oct-1927, at ?Auburn? Kings Co, NS. He was 23, bachelor, res. in Sydney, Cape Breton, b. Aspen?, Guysboro Co, NS, s/o Edwin McConnell b. ?Aspen?, and Lillian or Allison Nichols. Record shows Lizzie May Steves (Steeves) as 33, widow, b. Halifax, residing in ?Auburn?, Kings Co, NS, d/o James Nickerson b. Sherbrook, Guysboro Co, NS, and Rose Brackett. Indeed, Stillman McConnell, b. 04-Apr-1904, NS, d. Jun-1974, with a last residence listed as Baltimore, MD. Jared > Hi Folks: > > My great aunt, Elizabeth NICKERSON d/o James Rupert & Rose Emma (Brackett) > , born 30 May 1885 (Late birth registration: 1904, pg 69300956), Halifax, > married 29 Mar 1912, Halifax1) Ora Eugene STEEVES, s/o Frederick William & > Elizabeth A. (Colpitts), who died 23 Dec 1924 in Aylesford, Kings, NS.  > She obviously m a Mr. MacConnell prior to November 1927, as her late birth > registration was signed 22 Nov 1927 as Lizzie May Nickerson MacConnell. > > My family remember that she lived in Baltimore, MD however, on checking > over the 1930 US census, she & Mr. MacConnell are not listed, so they must > have married in NS. > > Do any of these names ring bells with anyone?? > > Many thanks, > Sandi Bellefeuille > Mississauga, ON > ---------------------------------------- > Basic List Commands: > > 1. To post to the list > Send a message to: > [email protected] > > 2. How to unsubscribe > a. List mode:  Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-L- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > b. Digest mode:  Send a message to NOVA-SCOTIA-D- > [email protected] that contains only the word > unsubscribe > > 3. How to subscribe > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to [email protected] > > 4.  How to change to Digest mode > a. Unsubscribe from List mode (2.a. above) > b. Subscribe to Digest mode > Send an email containing only the word > subscribe > to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------ Jared "Jed" Handspicker [email protected] "Do  your best; let God do the rest."