I was recently looking for a GOTHARD (corruption of GODDARD) whom I believe was related to my family, and he said he was born in ILKESTON By finding census from 1841 and other entries I find in fact he, and other relatives, said they were from 'Newton Moor' 'Newton in Blackwell', 'Blackwell by Alfreton' 'Blackwell, Derbyshire,' 'S. Normanton' and earlier from Shirland,, Clowne with some marriages at Sutton in Ashfield I was confused and used google to find just where these places were. [When in doubt, when using census take a look at the Enumerator's route (page 1) - these small hamlets have names which have been lost to general use.] I was born in Nottingham and the area which was then serviced by the "blue buses" was always a mystery to me and when I travelled through the area much later it was a mass of small colliery villages which seemed to merge into one another. I am still confused when looking in the Ilkeston/Heanor/Codnor/Birchwood/Somercotes areas where some of my ancestors lived and worked. Finding good maps can help pinpoint the hamlets and villages. I eventually found this fuller explanation might help : It shows Mansfield Poor Law Union and the areas covered. (including FULWOOD.) BLACKWELL "Poorhouses, Poor Law, etc. After the Poor Law Amendment Act reforms of 1834, the Mansfield Poor Law Union was formed on 29 June 1836 to serve 17 local parishes in Nottingham and Derby shires. Since Mansfield, in the north of Nottinghamshire, was near the Derbyshire border, it made sense for it to serve both counties. Over time, new parishes were added to the Union. It also made sense to the government to have the Poor Law Unions function as the administrative centres for Civil Registration and the Census enumeration. The Mansfield Poor Law Union was originally divided into five Registration Sub-Districts: Blackwell, Blidworth, Mansfield, Shirebrook and Warsop. The Blackwell subdistrict included the Derbyshire parishes of: Blackwell, Pinxton, South Normanton and Tibshelf. The Blidworth subdistrict included the Nottinghamshire parishes of: Blidworth, Haywood Oaks and Lindhurst. The Mansfield subdistrict included the Nottinghamshire parish of Mansfield. The Shirebrook subdistrict included the Derbyshire parishes of: Ault Hucknall, Glapwell, Pleasley, Scarcliffe, Shirebrook and Upper Langwith. It also included the Nottinghamshire parish of Teversal. The Warsop subdistrict included the Nottinghamshire parishes of: Mansfield Woodhouse, Sookholme and Warsop. Later additions to the union: Fulwood, Haywood Oaks, Lindhurst. In 1837, the new Mansfield Union workhouse was built on the south side of Stockwell Gate on Sutton road in the parish of Mansfield. It was opened for business in November, 1837. I have printed this off and put it with my maps so that in future I will find them more easily. Mavis in Somerset >________________________________ > From: Tony Proctor <tony@proctor.net> >To: Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com>; 'WRIGHT PETER' <peter.wright15@ntlworld.com>; 'Mrs Watson' <familytree29@hotmail.com> >Cc: 'Notts Gen' <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013, 10:52 >Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace > > >Interestingly, in 1851 (Piece: 2123, Folio: 259, Page: 4) there is no >place-of-birth given for Mary, and the others are down as Blackwell, Derbys. > > Tony Proctor > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> >To: "'WRIGHT PETER'" <peter.wright15@ntlworld.com>; "'Mrs Watson'" ><familytree29@hotmail.com> >Cc: "'Notts Gen'" <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:24 AM >Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace > > >>I too thought of ilson, being the local pronunciation of Ilkeston But the >> enumerator put Notts not Derbys, and the entry could be Hellson, rather >> than >> Hillson. This coupled with the fact that Selston is quite near Fulwood led >> me to that conclusion. The poster needs to find the marriage, then with >> her >> maiden name can hopefully find the Christening place. >> >> Brian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of WRIGHT PETER >> Sent: 11 September 2013 09:40 >> To: Mrs Watson >> Cc: Notts Gen >> Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace >> >> Hi, >> >> Fulwood, Notts as been said is a place on the Derbyshire border near >> Sutton-in-Ashfield, Notts. >> >> With regard to Hellson, I would have thought in the local accent as this >> being 'Ilson'. or 'normal' folk know it as Ilkeston, Derbys. >> >> regards >> Pete in Mansfield >> >> >> On 10 September 2013 21:49, Mrs Watson <familytree29@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> HelloI am trying to figure out a place of birth according to the 1861 >>> census: >>> Mary BALL born about 1808 in Notts - it looks like Hellson to me but I >>> can't find that on a map. Would someone with a much better knowledge >>> of Notts be able to suggest anything? >>> Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2425; Folio: 32; Page: 6; GSU roll: >>> 542969. >>> The 1871 census for Mary gives her place of birth as Fullwood, which I >>> can't seem to find either, although it sounds familiar!ThanksJanie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Notts Surname List >>> >>> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >Notts Surname List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >
Thank you for this information Mavis,. With your help I have been digging around - and found Fulwood - and now I know why it sounded familiar - it's the industrial estate on the outskirts of Sutton in Ashfield, I must have gone past it many times. . . I still can't find a birth for Mary around 1808 - in the 1851 census her birthplace is left blank, so I will keep searching. Much appreciated Janie > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:40:27 +0100 > From: mayjaysomerset@btinternet.com > To: NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace - FULWOOD > > I was recently looking for a GOTHARD (corruption of GODDARD) whom I believe was related to my family, and he said he was born in ILKESTON > > By finding census from 1841 and other entries I find in fact he, and other relatives, said they were from > > 'Newton Moor' > 'Newton in Blackwell', > 'Blackwell by Alfreton' > 'Blackwell, Derbyshire,' > 'S. Normanton' > > and earlier from > > Shirland,, > Clowne > > with some marriages at Sutton in Ashfield > > I was confused and used google to find just where these places were. > > [When in doubt, when using census take a look at the Enumerator's route (page 1) - these small hamlets have names which have been lost to general use.] > > I was born in Nottingham and the area which was then serviced by the "blue buses" was always a mystery to me and when I travelled through the area much later it was a mass of small colliery villages which seemed to merge into one another. I am still confused when looking in the Ilkeston/Heanor/Codnor/Birchwood/Somercotes areas where some of my ancestors lived and worked. > > Finding good maps can help pinpoint the hamlets and villages. > > I eventually found this fuller explanation might help : It shows Mansfield Poor Law Union and the areas covered. (including FULWOOD.) > > BLACKWELL > "Poorhouses, Poor Law, etc. > After the Poor Law Amendment Act reforms of 1834, the Mansfield Poor Law Union was formed on 29 June 1836 to serve 17 local parishes in Nottingham and Derby shires. Since Mansfield, in the north of Nottinghamshire, was near the Derbyshire border, it made sense for it to serve both counties. Over time, new parishes were added to the Union. It also made sense to the government to have the Poor Law Unions function as the administrative centres for Civil Registration and the Census enumeration. > > The Mansfield Poor Law Union was originally divided into five Registration Sub-Districts: > Blackwell, Blidworth, Mansfield, Shirebrook and Warsop. > > > The Blackwell subdistrict included the Derbyshire parishes of: Blackwell, Pinxton, South Normanton and Tibshelf. > > > The Blidworth subdistrict included the Nottinghamshire parishes of: Blidworth, Haywood Oaks and Lindhurst. > > > The Mansfield subdistrict included the Nottinghamshire parish of Mansfield. > > The Shirebrook subdistrict included the Derbyshire parishes of: Ault Hucknall, Glapwell, Pleasley, Scarcliffe, Shirebrook and Upper Langwith. It also included the Nottinghamshire parish of Teversal. > > The Warsop subdistrict included the Nottinghamshire parishes of: Mansfield Woodhouse, Sookholme and Warsop. > > Later additions to the union: Fulwood, Haywood Oaks, Lindhurst. > > In 1837, the new Mansfield Union workhouse was built on the south side of Stockwell Gate on Sutton road in the parish of Mansfield. It was opened for business in November, 1837. > > I have printed this off and put it with my maps so that in future I will find them more easily. > > > Mavis > in Somerset > > >________________________________ > > From: Tony Proctor <tony@proctor.net> > >To: Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com>; 'WRIGHT PETER' <peter.wright15@ntlworld.com>; 'Mrs Watson' <familytree29@hotmail.com> > >Cc: 'Notts Gen' <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013, 10:52 > >Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace > > > > > >Interestingly, in 1851 (Piece: 2123, Folio: 259, Page: 4) there is no > >place-of-birth given for Mary, and the others are down as Blackwell, Derbys. > > > > Tony Proctor > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> > >To: "'WRIGHT PETER'" <peter.wright15@ntlworld.com>; "'Mrs Watson'" > ><familytree29@hotmail.com> > >Cc: "'Notts Gen'" <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:24 AM > >Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace > > > > > >>I too thought of ilson, being the local pronunciation of Ilkeston But the > >> enumerator put Notts not Derbys, and the entry could be Hellson, rather > >> than > >> Hillson. This coupled with the fact that Selston is quite near Fulwood led > >> me to that conclusion. The poster needs to find the marriage, then with > >> her > >> maiden name can hopefully find the Christening place. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > >> On Behalf Of WRIGHT PETER > >> Sent: 11 September 2013 09:40 > >> To: Mrs Watson > >> Cc: Notts Gen > >> Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Fulwood, Notts as been said is a place on the Derbyshire border near > >> Sutton-in-Ashfield, Notts. > >> > >> With regard to Hellson, I would have thought in the local accent as this > >> being 'Ilson'. or 'normal' folk know it as Ilkeston, Derbys. > >> > >> regards > >> Pete in Mansfield > >> > >> > >> On 10 September 2013 21:49, Mrs Watson <familytree29@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> HelloI am trying to figure out a place of birth according to the 1861 > >>> census: > >>> Mary BALL born about 1808 in Notts - it looks like Hellson to me but I > >>> can't find that on a map. Would someone with a much better knowledge > >>> of Notts be able to suggest anything? > >>> Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2425; Folio: 32; Page: 6; GSU roll: > >>> 542969. > >>> The 1871 census for Mary gives her place of birth as Fullwood, which I > >>> can't seem to find either, although it sounds familiar!ThanksJanie > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Notts Surname List > >>> > >>> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> Notts Surname List > >> > >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> Notts Surname List > >> > >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > >Notts Surname List > > > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message