A very big 'thank you' to all who replied. I came back from a few days away and saw 16 messages from all the friendly NottsGen folks, giving all different sorts of advice. As a rule I would normally delete these straight away, but now I have found out that there doesn't seem to be any of you who are members of Notts FHS. What a pity; there is an excellent speaker this month by the name of Brian who will talk about his 'Entrepreneurial Ancestor', wish I could be there. I have been to 3 of their meetings when over in the UK including one talk on the dialects of Derbyshire and the East Midlands called 'Ey up mi duck' by John Titford. He was so interesting I bought the book. Thanks again, Ann :-)