Bill - Notts Archives list an Independent Chapel and a Wesleyan Methodist Chapel in their Hyson Green holdings John M ----- Original Message ----- From: "WARDLE WILLIAM" <wwardle@ntlworld.com> To: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington.one@gmail.com> Cc: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Bertie Wardle & Jane Mc Namara marriage > Nivard, > > Sarah J's daughter was born Dec 14th 1909 in Goodhead St, The Meadows. No > father recorded. However the name Phyllis is the name of Bertie's sister > who was born and died in 1901. So there's a possibility that Bertie Owen > was the father of Phyllis Mc McNamara. This supports the theory that Sarah > J. was staying with her prospective inlaws. > Sarah felt no need to lie on her 1st child's birth certificate, and > also declared her daughters correct name on the 1911 census, so why should > she lie or give mis-information on subsequent certificates ? > > Brian, > I suggest that the Haslam or Anthony GRO marriages to a Bertie Wardle are > not to my Bertie Owen. Back then Bertie was a popular name because of it's > Royal connotations. > > I have to follow up the Indian marriage and any records that may have > been > performed at Sheffield Army Chapel if such a place existed. > > I would love to have a list of the non-con and RC churches in the Hyson > Green area. I have tried to ring the United Reform Church on Gregory > Boulevard but the number on their website is incorrect. > > Thanks everyone for your help so far > > Best Wishes > > Bill Wardle > > > > > > > > > > > On 20 November 2013 15:44, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Bill >> >> Although the birth certs may look like the couple were married, there >> was no system of checking every registration for proof of marriage of >> the parents, only if deceit was suspected would proof be asked for >> >> So finding the wording on a birth registration does not in any way prove >> they were, only that the informant was believed >> >> In 1911 >> Jennie MCNAMARA 21 single is a boarder with Gilbert & Amy WARDLE >> Phylis MCNAMARA 16 months in the same household (presumed daughter of >> Jennie) >> >> Do you know if a father is named on the birth cert for Phyllis? >> >> Births Mar 1910 >> MCNAMARA Phyllis Nottingham 7b 326 >> >> As Jennie was born in Glasgow I had a quick look on scotlandspeople for >> a marriage there but found none (under Jennie, Jane or Sarah) >> >> Neither did I find an obvious hit for Sarah, Jane or Jennie MCNAMARA >> born circa 1890 in Glasgow in the census, have you found her or her >> parents in pre 1911 census ? >> >> Do you know if MCNAMARA was her maiden name for certain? >> >> ie was she married before? >> >> The only marriage in the 1911/1912 period I found that matched in any >> way was >> >> Marriages Dec 1911 >> Anthony Edith E Basford 7b 463 >> Haslam Annie Basford 7b 463 >> Schofield William Basford 7b 463 >> Wardle Bertie Basford 7b 463 >> >> So could Bertie have married Annie? >> >> It appears that a SCHOFIELD & HASLAM were having children post 1911 so >> perhaps not >> >> Other than that I found no evidence they married >> >> I presume its his medal card 1377 Northumberland Fusiliers ? >> >> If so his SWB roll entry says he enlisted 10th June 1905 and was >> discharged 10th Feb 1916 due to sickness >> >> No sign of a pension record which is it existed would be likely to >> record the place and date of marriage to be eligible for pension for >> wife and children >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> On 20/11/2013 12:23, WARDLE WILLIAM wrote: >> > Hi All, I wonder if I may call on your combine expertise to help me >> > break >> > down ONE of my long standing brick walls. >> > >> > My father's cousin is coming up to 95 yrs old in December 2013(b.1918). >> Her >> > daughter informs me that her mum has always believed that her parents >> > weren't married. >> > All of the information that we have collected indicates to me that they >> > were indeed married. >> > BUT I cannot find the marriage. >> > I am sure that it would please an old lady so much to see written proof >> of >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Websites: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hartshorn/ > http://wardlehistory.tribalpages.com/?userid=wardlehistory&x=13&y=10 > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message