Hi again Bill Although its possible that Phyllis is of the same parentage, she may not be and that is a reason why they may have changed the story in later registrations, plus the fact they wanted to live a respectable life after the Army, the post office were hot on their employees reputations at the time If they married in England/Wales or Scotland it would be recorded That would include all Army marriages wherever they might be carried out, and any non conformist marriages, Catholic and otherwise By the time of 1911 or 1912 marriages abroad are almost certainly recorded in the overseas indexes and unfortunately there are only two WARDLE marriages a James and a Lucy H Plus the logistics of getting to India for a marriage and returning in time for the birth in 1912 seem highly unlikely Would she have left her 16 month old child at home? as I do not think any right minded mother would take her to India I don't blame you for continuing to look but I suspect its a forlorn hope There is a slim chance the marriage was performed and recorded at a local level but not passed to the GRO in the quarterly returns, so I would try both Sheffield and Notts to see if that is a possibility (I know as my g.g.grandparents marriage in 1843 is not in the GRO, I thought for years they never married :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/11/2013 23:46, WARDLE WILLIAM wrote: > Nivard, > > Sarah J's daughter was born Dec 14th 1909 in Goodhead St, The Meadows. > No father recorded. However the name Phyllis is the name of Bertie's > sister who was born and died in 1901. So there's a possibility that > Bertie Owen was the father of Phyllis Mc McNamara. This supports the > theory that Sarah J. was staying with her prospective inlaws.