Hi Bill Although the birth certs may look like the couple were married, there was no system of checking every registration for proof of marriage of the parents, only if deceit was suspected would proof be asked for So finding the wording on a birth registration does not in any way prove they were, only that the informant was believed In 1911 Jennie MCNAMARA 21 single is a boarder with Gilbert & Amy WARDLE Phylis MCNAMARA 16 months in the same household (presumed daughter of Jennie) Do you know if a father is named on the birth cert for Phyllis? Births Mar 1910 MCNAMARA Phyllis Nottingham 7b 326 As Jennie was born in Glasgow I had a quick look on scotlandspeople for a marriage there but found none (under Jennie, Jane or Sarah) Neither did I find an obvious hit for Sarah, Jane or Jennie MCNAMARA born circa 1890 in Glasgow in the census, have you found her or her parents in pre 1911 census ? Do you know if MCNAMARA was her maiden name for certain? ie was she married before? The only marriage in the 1911/1912 period I found that matched in any way was Marriages Dec 1911 Anthony Edith E Basford 7b 463 Haslam Annie Basford 7b 463 Schofield William Basford 7b 463 Wardle Bertie Basford 7b 463 So could Bertie have married Annie? It appears that a SCHOFIELD & HASLAM were having children post 1911 so perhaps not Other than that I found no evidence they married I presume its his medal card 1377 Northumberland Fusiliers ? If so his SWB roll entry says he enlisted 10th June 1905 and was discharged 10th Feb 1916 due to sickness No sign of a pension record which is it existed would be likely to record the place and date of marriage to be eligible for pension for wife and children Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/11/2013 12:23, WARDLE WILLIAM wrote: > Hi All, I wonder if I may call on your combine expertise to help me break > down ONE of my long standing brick walls. > > My father's cousin is coming up to 95 yrs old in December 2013(b.1918). Her > daughter informs me that her mum has always believed that her parents > weren't married. > All of the information that we have collected indicates to me that they > were indeed married. > BUT I cannot find the marriage. > I am sure that it would please an old lady so much to see written proof of

Nivard, Sarah J's daughter was born Dec 14th 1909 in Goodhead St, The Meadows. No father recorded. However the name Phyllis is the name of Bertie's sister who was born and died in 1901. So there's a possibility that Bertie Owen was the father of Phyllis Mc McNamara. This supports the theory that Sarah J. was staying with her prospective inlaws. Sarah felt no need to lie on her 1st child's birth certificate, and also declared her daughters correct name on the 1911 census, so why should she lie or give mis-information on subsequent certificates ? Brian, I suggest that the Haslam or Anthony GRO marriages to a Bertie Wardle are not to my Bertie Owen. Back then Bertie was a popular name because of it's Royal connotations. I have to follow up the Indian marriage and any records that may have been performed at Sheffield Army Chapel if such a place existed. I would love to have a list of the non-con and RC churches in the Hyson Green area. I have tried to ring the United Reform Church on Gregory Boulevard but the number on their website is incorrect. Thanks everyone for your help so far Best Wishes Bill Wardle On 20 November 2013 15:44, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Bill > > Although the birth certs may look like the couple were married, there > was no system of checking every registration for proof of marriage of > the parents, only if deceit was suspected would proof be asked for > > So finding the wording on a birth registration does not in any way prove > they were, only that the informant was believed > > In 1911 > Jennie MCNAMARA 21 single is a boarder with Gilbert & Amy WARDLE > Phylis MCNAMARA 16 months in the same household (presumed daughter of > Jennie) > > Do you know if a father is named on the birth cert for Phyllis? > > Births Mar 1910 > MCNAMARA Phyllis Nottingham 7b 326 > > As Jennie was born in Glasgow I had a quick look on scotlandspeople for > a marriage there but found none (under Jennie, Jane or Sarah) > > Neither did I find an obvious hit for Sarah, Jane or Jennie MCNAMARA > born circa 1890 in Glasgow in the census, have you found her or her > parents in pre 1911 census ? > > Do you know if MCNAMARA was her maiden name for certain? > > ie was she married before? > > The only marriage in the 1911/1912 period I found that matched in any > way was > > Marriages Dec 1911 > Anthony Edith E Basford 7b 463 > Haslam Annie Basford 7b 463 > Schofield William Basford 7b 463 > Wardle Bertie Basford 7b 463 > > So could Bertie have married Annie? > > It appears that a SCHOFIELD & HASLAM were having children post 1911 so > perhaps not > > Other than that I found no evidence they married > > I presume its his medal card 1377 Northumberland Fusiliers ? > > If so his SWB roll entry says he enlisted 10th June 1905 and was > discharged 10th Feb 1916 due to sickness > > No sign of a pension record which is it existed would be likely to > record the place and date of marriage to be eligible for pension for > wife and children > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 20/11/2013 12:23, WARDLE WILLIAM wrote: > > Hi All, I wonder if I may call on your combine expertise to help me break > > down ONE of my long standing brick walls. > > > > My father's cousin is coming up to 95 yrs old in December 2013(b.1918). > Her > > daughter informs me that her mum has always believed that her parents > > weren't married. > > All of the information that we have collected indicates to me that they > > were indeed married. > > BUT I cannot find the marriage. > > I am sure that it would please an old lady so much to see written proof > of > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Websites: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hartshorn/ http://wardlehistory.tribalpages.com/?userid=wardlehistory&x=13&y=10