Thanks so much Mavis for a wonderfully clear picture of what and why and how .........and of course a road or main drovers route would be significant and how silly of me not to recognise Calverton from calves and Oxton from oxen , and yes bleak and remote is a good description of parts of Derbyshire and Yorkshire today , very few cameras visit in mid winter when its all like the back end of the moon !!! hostile and unforgiving ....... And massive thanks for the Roeites , that would seem to be the clue , how fascinating .......I googled a little for framework knitters, and found the Ruddington Museum site with pictures of these amazing machines , but it said nothing about the dissenters and non-conformists ...... but this latter would explain that the names Zachariah , Simeon, Amos, Hannah , Isaac, David etc, were used in every generation down to the 20th C ........very interesting . And Mavis , I have Scutts but no Cutts , which is also interesting !!!! and many thanks again I shall be glued to my screen now for the day ............so many sites so little time !!!