Hi John   I love confusion :) I've been confused for many years, in fact I'm still confused over the term Easter Bunnies...What on earth has a Rabbit got to do with it all, they don't even lay eggs.   Going back to your original question. They way I see it is that the registrar took the information from the person who actually registered it at the time. If the person was born a Smith but he was a really a brown, but the mother was a Smith at the time, then it may be right that it was correct and would have saved embarrassment  :) Oh dear! Duplicate records are often recorded by mistake, but if I had been in your shoes, at the time you ordered the 2nd cert I would have asked if the information was the same and if so please don't send. This would mean writing of course to the actual register office. The GRO would have charged about £4.00 to check. All the best to you Pat Williams --- On Fri, 10/4/09, John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> wrote: From: John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth To: "P WILLIAMS" <p.williams352@btinternet.com> Cc: "nottsgen" <nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 11:07 AM Thanks, Pat. Please see my two later responses to Nivard Ovington.  I seem to have confused everyone - I have a horrible feeling that I'm going to be spoiling a lot of Easters! Thanks for your interest. ----- Original Message ----- From: P WILLIAMS To: John Cc: nottsgen Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth Hi John   I have a similar birth certificate. My Frederick Cresswell b.1851 mother Elizabeth Cresswell. I know that the mother was married to William Cresswell, but he died in 1849 so yes she used her surname at the time and did not put the fathers name on the certificate or her maiden name which was Goodall.   What I did was get a earlier birth certificate for 1839 this gave the father and her her maiden name.   I agree with Nivard, it depends what the registrar asked at the time and if her previous marriage had not been dissolved she would have given her said name at the time, because she had not remarried at the time. Have you got her first marriage certificate?   Hope this helps.   Pat Williams --- On Fri, 10/4/09, John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> wrote: From: John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> Subject: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth To: nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 9:50 AM I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that it will not be regarded as "off topic". Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March quarter 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for both entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the second which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an earlier marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the registrar or at the request of one or both parents? Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered in the books or sites which have looked at. John Townend Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks again, Pat. Both parents are shown on the certificate as informants. We don't of course know whether they had a disagreement in front of the Registrar or how he actually recorded the events John ----- Original Message ----- From: P WILLIAMS To: John Cc: nottsgen Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth Hi John I love confusion :) I've been confused for many years, in fact I'm still confused over the term Easter Bunnies...What on earth has a Rabbit got to do with it all, they don't even lay eggs. Going back to your original question. They way I see it is that the registrar took the information from the person who actually registered it at the time. If the person was born a Smith but he was a really a brown, but the mother was a Smith at the time, then it may be right that it was correct and would have saved embarrassment :) Oh dear! Duplicate records are often recorded by mistake, but if I had been in your shoes, at the time you ordered the 2nd cert I would have asked if the information was the same and if so please don't send. This would mean writing of course to the actual register office. The GRO would have charged about £4.00 to check. All the best to you Pat Williams --- On Fri, 10/4/09, John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> wrote: From: John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth To: "P WILLIAMS" <p.williams352@btinternet.com> Cc: "nottsgen" <nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 11:07 AM Thanks, Pat. Please see my two later responses to Nivard Ovington. I seem to have confused everyone - I have a horrible feeling that I'm going to be spoiling a lot of Easters! Thanks for your interest. ----- Original Message ----- From: P WILLIAMS To: John Cc: nottsgen Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth Hi John I have a similar birth certificate. My Frederick Cresswell b.1851 mother Elizabeth Cresswell. I know that the mother was married to William Cresswell, but he died in 1849 so yes she used her surname at the time and did not put the fathers name on the certificate or her maiden name which was Goodall. What I did was get a earlier birth certificate for 1839 this gave the father and her her maiden name. I agree with Nivard, it depends what the registrar asked at the time and if her previous marriage had not been dissolved she would have given her said name at the time, because she had not remarried at the time. Have you got her first marriage certificate? Hope this helps. Pat Williams --- On Fri, 10/4/09, John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> wrote: From: John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> Subject: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth To: nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 9:50 AM I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that it will not be regarded as "off topic". Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March quarter 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for both entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the second which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an earlier marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the registrar or at the request of one or both parents? Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered in the books or sites which have looked at. John Townend Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone, I almost never respond to the list topics and make a point of not posting off-topic material, but for once I will transgress. The mention of bunnies and Easter revived a memory of a display in January in a back-street shop in Shanghai some years ago, which showed a rabbit nailed to a cross with an Easter egg at its feet and a caption "Nappy Christmas" Regards John Poxon From: P WILLIAMS To: John Cc: nottsgen Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth Hi John I love confusion :) I've been confused for many years, in fact I'm still confused over the term Easter Bunnies...What on earth has a Rabbit got to do with it all, they don't even lay eggs.