I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that it will not be regarded as "off topic". Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March quarter 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for both entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the second which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an earlier marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the registrar or at the request of one or both parents? Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered in the books or sites which have looked at. John Townend

Hi John   I have a similar birth certificate. My Frederick Cresswell b.1851 mother Elizabeth Cresswell. I know that the mother was married to William Cresswell, but he died in 1849 so yes she used her surname at the time and did not put the fathers name on the certificate or her maiden name which was Goodall.   What I did was get a earlier birth certificate for 1839 this gave the father and her her maiden name.   I agree with Nivard, it depends what the registrar asked at the time and if her previous marriage had not been dissolved she would have given her said name at the time, because she had not remarried at the time. Have you got her first marriage certificate?   Hope this helps.   Pat Williams --- On Fri, 10/4/09, John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> wrote: From: John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> Subject: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth To: nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 9:50 AM I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that it will not be regarded as "off topic". Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March quarter 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for both entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the second which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an earlier marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the registrar or at the request of one or both parents? Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered in the books or sites which have looked at. John Townend Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John Not sure I understand your enquiry correctly Do you mean two separate certificates for two children with different details on ? The details recorded are as given or rather as asked for by the Registrar Theoretically the father had to be there for his name to be recorded if they were unmarried If the registrar asked the right question (or a slightly different one) they might get a different reply from the mother Sorry if I misunderstand you Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that it >will not be regarded as "off topic". > > Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the > registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March quarter > 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for both > entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the second > which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an earlier > marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the registrar or at > the request of one or both parents? > > Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered in > the books or sites which have looked at. > > John Townend

Sorry, Nivard, to have misled you. Thank you very much for your interest and prompt reaction. Obviously I was wrong to say same page number as the surnames are well apart alphabetically. No, there is only one birth but it is appears twice in the indexes, i.e First entry Surname X, Christian name Y, Mother's maiden name Z, District D, Vol. Nb, Page No. ppp. Second entry Surname W, Christian name Y, Mother's maiden name Z, District D, Vol Nb, Page No. qqq. So, only the child's surname and the page no. differ. Identical certificates have been supplied for each entry. The surname for the first entry is the fathers's; that for the second entry is that of the mother's husband. She is shown on the certificate as "Jane" W, formerly Z (homeduties). John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: "John" <john.townend@o2.co.uk>; <nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth > Hi John > > Not sure I understand your enquiry correctly > > Do you mean two separate certificates for two children with different > details on ? > > The details recorded are as given or rather as asked for by the Registrar > > Theoretically the father had to be there for his name to be recorded if > they were unmarried > > If the registrar asked the right question (or a slightly different one) > they might get a different reply from the mother > > Sorry if I misunderstand you > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > >>I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that >>it will not be regarded as "off topic". >> >> Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the >> registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March >> quarter 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for >> both entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the >> second which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an >> earlier marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the >> registrar or at the request of one or both parents? >> >> Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered >> in the books or sites which have looked at. >> >> John Townend > >